How many Pis is "so many Pis"? At some point, surely a single higher power computer that does it all is more power efficient than multiple Pis running at the same time.
its an efficient use of CPU power I have an older octa-core and I can say outside of video or photos editing I never see all 8 cores gets used its always 2 or 3 and their threads then the rest juggle small quick task.
It's one of the most similar replicas of NUC, almost an exact clone I believe. - The 4 screws in the bottom with the screws retainer - The openable top lid/cover - Front port configuration (2 usb, mic, power) - The heatsink outlet in the back (the back ports configuration itself is very similar) - Side card reader - 2.5" inch expansion drive stuck on the bottom lid - That quirky SATA cable (though I believe mine is using a thicker cable) - Even I think the component placement inside (RAM, SSD, wifi card) is very similar.
I upgraded from my m700 tiny (4C4T) to a Trigkey 5800H (8C16T) for 300 GBP brand new from amazon as it was on offer. running a wireguard vpn, proxmox, portainer, pihole, traefik, kasm, navidrome, nextcloud and vaultwarden. currently idling at 7watts with all the above running. These mini PCs are crazy good.
This would be a great addition to my home lab. I already have a substantial NAS. So I could run this as a additional server while using the NAS as accessible network storage. Not to mention 4tb 2.5in ssds are getting pretty dang affordable now. Even one would be good for local storage for any reason.
this mini PC is awesome, your use case of assigning VMs to threads is a great real-world use case for them outside of rendering I never really see all my cores get pegged it always ends up being 2 or 3 cores and their threads.
I bought this system, but the noise is unbearable. I wish I had watched this video before. The cooling system is completely inadequate. I will be sending it back for this sole reason.
It's amazing what capabilities these SBCs and small form factor PCs have. Like.. how much PC do you really need? My gaming PC IDLES at 65 watts. Under load it draws a little over 300 from the wall! Interesting stuff man, thanks!
For stuff that sits idle most of the time my go to is get away with as cpu power as you can get away with. Older multi core multi thread cpus/machines might be cheaper but they just can’t idle low enough. For reference I’ve got coffee lake Lenovo tiny machines that pull as much wattage as a raspberry pi 3/4 yet much more performance.
The CPU itself is really interesting and would probably be nice to use in homeservers once it becomes a bit outdated and cheaper, i would personally probably want it in a nice tower case with an atx mobo because i think these small form factor pcs can be useful for some servers its really not practical for a nas given that it only has 1 sata port but for some other uses it could probably work fine, i would still like the upgradability of normal pcs more. Personally I find those weird atx mobos with laptop chips pretty interesting, because of how efficient they are but, its mostly some sketchy mobos from ali express so idk how well that actually works, or they are just itx boards with very little upgradability but i would love to see how good those laptop chips on desktop boards would perform as servers. Btw congratz on the play button!
According to Intel ark, the i7 1270p had a total of 20 PCIe lanes. So putting this on a ATX/uatx sized board is going to be disappointing. The ark page didn't even mention SATA, so that must be from the chipset. I'd really like to see some of these low power CPUs come with 64+ lanes. Even if they only get broken out as sff/u.2 connectors. Given the prices of 2tb nvme ssds, a small all flash Nas isn't a crazy idea.
I'd love to see you do a review on Beelink GTR 7/GTR 7 Pro. I just picked one up and am going to use it for a virtualized pfSense/OPNsense box, along with a docker host taking care of a whole ton of smaller services I need. I'm effectively trying to offload everything from my ancient Plex server
I realized only after a while that it's basically identical to an Intel NUC. The price is nice, I haven't seen NUCs that cheap here in the EU yet, so it could be a great alternative
From what I am thinking Thunderbolt can also be USB4 compatible but USB 4 is only USB 4, However USB 4 now can have display port and USB C monitor connectivity when you have a little P inside a D logo next to them. So while you can't get T4 you could still have a lot more USD 4 connectivity. The new Nuc's are all Thunderbollt/USB 4. I reading up on it as just got a 15" touch while is USB C or thunberbolt. So my phone has Samsung Decs Desktop while work find with the touch but getting it to work on W11 machine I have which has no USB C support via USB old type 3.2 to Type C cable but no picture. So for now it only a 15" connected via HDMI to USB C.
Very Very Interesting. I do wish they would start using these processors in a NAS form-factor that supports at least 2 x 3.5" drive bays. All the connectors in the world cant replace the need for a place to dock for your hard drives. Currently I find laptops to be a better option than these mini PCs which are effectively headless laptops
They should make it modular, just buy a couple of bays and attach it to the base and you get a NAS. Like a laptop dock. I think the main issue there is sizing the power supply. By which I mean not trusting the customer to get an adequate one, and then complaining.
The Intel NUC line is going out of business and was sold to Asus. Since Geekom IT line is basically a clone the Intel NUC build design at a lower price, I'll just buy the latest version of Geekom IT when my last Intel NUC mini-PC nearly dies.
What kernel version are you using in Proxmox ? I've read from Beelink that linux 6.1 should be used to benefit from all the Alder Lake power management features.
Surprised they bothered with a SATA ribbon connection on 12th gen, after all who is really using sata ssds on this gen. Still good review, am a fan of the channel 👌
performance of these mini pcs are all alike, depending on cpu inside. the thing that would be nice to know is how are they made. many of these are badly engineered, high noise and temps, dying rather sooner then later. maybe some magnifying glass and check on soldering job and such. that thing is small, but it still costs 600+ $. its a lot for something that could die in a month and their service and return policies are abysmal. and no not just geekom, i mean all these chinese off brands, like minisforum, beelink etc
Could you do a video that goes deeper in the core management of Proxmox? Like you have an N100 with four cores but you can run 6 VMs, including some that are allocated multiple cores? How the fuck does that work? Do you set priority rules etc?
So I found your video showing how to use ngrok to run a Minecraft server "Host A Game Server When Your ISP Doesn't Want You To - NGROK" you said you couldn't show us how to auto run it on windows, and then you said at least not in this video, I desperately need to know how to do this type of thing, because I have a crappy T-Mobile Home, I know the video was made over a year ago, but I beg of you please make a follow up to it!
no they don't support Thunderbolt. if they would support thunderbolt the ports have a tb logo there. since usb4 includes some parts of tb but not the complete implementation. from what geekom answered u they are lying about it supporting thunderbolt. Cause if u make a system that is supposed to have TB then they wouldn't give such a vague answer. plus they would include tb drivers from factory
Mini PCs are always fascinating...
With their small size they do a quite of big stuffs!!
Good video!!!
Agreed!
Always interested in more efficient low power mini servers. It’s why I run so many Pi’s instead of a big IBM server
How many Pis is "so many Pis"? At some point, surely a single higher power computer that does it all is more power efficient than multiple Pis running at the same time.
Using efficiency cores for lower demand workloads is simply genius.
its an efficient use of CPU power I have an older octa-core and I can say outside of video or photos editing I never see all 8 cores gets used its always 2 or 3 and their threads then the rest juggle small quick task.
not really. that's the exact reason why these cores exist.
It's one of the most similar replicas of NUC, almost an exact clone I believe.
- The 4 screws in the bottom with the screws retainer
- The openable top lid/cover
- Front port configuration (2 usb, mic, power)
- The heatsink outlet in the back (the back ports configuration itself is very similar)
- Side card reader
- 2.5" inch expansion drive stuck on the bottom lid
- That quirky SATA cable (though I believe mine is using a thicker cable)
- Even I think the component placement inside (RAM, SSD, wifi card) is very similar.
seeking a laptop screw in carpet is literally the equivalent to seeking a needle in a haystack
Get a magnetic pickup tool used in shops and it helps a lot 😉
These mini PCs have less core/threads clock speed. You cant do professional video editing, rendering, animation. It is just for short tasks.
I upgraded from my m700 tiny (4C4T) to a Trigkey 5800H (8C16T) for 300 GBP brand new from amazon as it was on offer. running a wireguard vpn, proxmox, portainer, pihole, traefik, kasm, navidrome, nextcloud and vaultwarden. currently idling at 7watts with all the above running. These mini PCs are crazy good.
Yep, super cool!
This would be a great addition to my home lab. I already have a substantial NAS. So I could run this as a additional server while using the NAS as accessible network storage. Not to mention 4tb 2.5in ssds are getting pretty dang affordable now. Even one would be good for local storage for any reason.
Some workloads are more efficient on P-cores since the task can get done faster and the CPU can go back into a low power state sooner.
this mini PC is awesome, your use case of assigning VMs to threads is a great real-world use case for them outside of rendering I never really see all my cores get pegged it always ends up being 2 or 3 cores and their threads.
I bought this system, but the noise is unbearable. I wish I had watched this video before. The cooling system is completely inadequate. I will be sending it back for this sole reason.
It's amazing what capabilities these SBCs and small form factor PCs have. Like.. how much PC do you really need? My gaming PC IDLES at 65 watts. Under load it draws a little over 300 from the wall! Interesting stuff man, thanks!
For stuff that sits idle most of the time my go to is get away with as cpu power as you can get away with. Older multi core multi thread cpus/machines might be cheaper but they just can’t idle low enough.
For reference I’ve got coffee lake Lenovo tiny machines that pull as much wattage as a raspberry pi 3/4 yet much more performance.
That is more than my Dell Laptop pulls under max load!
(it has a 65W charger, and uses
Congrats on the Button! Awesome...
Oh, How I remember 100 subs and this scared guy on screen for the first time... 😆
LLAP 🖖
True haha
The CPU itself is really interesting and would probably be nice to use in homeservers once it becomes a bit outdated and cheaper, i would personally probably want it in a nice tower case with an atx mobo because i think these small form factor pcs can be useful for some servers its really not practical for a nas given that it only has 1 sata port but for some other uses it could probably work fine, i would still like the upgradability of normal pcs more.
Personally I find those weird atx mobos with laptop chips pretty interesting, because of how efficient they are but, its mostly some sketchy mobos from ali express so idk how well that actually works, or they are just itx boards with very little upgradability but i would love to see how good those laptop chips on desktop boards would perform as servers.
Btw congratz on the play button!
how did you post this 1 day before? the video just came out.
@MenaceInc yes buddy
@@baba.o TH-cam membership, thats what the green thing next to my name is
According to Intel ark, the i7 1270p had a total of 20 PCIe lanes. So putting this on a ATX/uatx sized board is going to be disappointing. The ark page didn't even mention SATA, so that must be from the chipset. I'd really like to see some of these low power CPUs come with 64+ lanes. Even if they only get broken out as sff/u.2 connectors. Given the prices of 2tb nvme ssds, a small all flash Nas isn't a crazy idea.
Congratz for the plate, you take me deep into the Proxmox addiction!!! Next build OMV+CasaOS!!!
12:18 It will effect the performance but only because the render is going to use a lot of the cache and then everything else will always cache miss.
Happy you got your TH-cam award! Nicely done.
Thanks Johnny! I appreciate all your support along the way 😊
Better segues than Linus! Should have gone with it a second time
Hahahaha true
here's a like specifically for that silver plaque near the end 😉
Thanks Hugo ❤️
I'd love to see you do a review on Beelink GTR 7/GTR 7 Pro. I just picked one up and am going to use it for a virtualized pfSense/OPNsense box, along with a docker host taking care of a whole ton of smaller services I need. I'm effectively trying to offload everything from my ancient Plex server
If I come across one I probably will 👍🏻
I realized only after a while that it's basically identical to an Intel NUC. The price is nice, I haven't seen NUCs that cheap here in the EU yet, so it could be a great alternative
Yeah really close. Didn’t quite realize how close until editing haha
"in the EU"...the EU isn't a place.
From what I am thinking Thunderbolt can also be USB4 compatible but USB 4 is only USB 4, However USB 4 now can have display port and USB C monitor connectivity when you have a little P inside a D logo next to them. So while you can't get T4 you could still have a lot more USD 4 connectivity. The new Nuc's are all Thunderbollt/USB 4. I reading up on it as just got a 15" touch while is USB C or thunberbolt. So my phone has Samsung Decs Desktop while work find with the touch but getting it to work on W11 machine I have which has no USB C support via USB old type 3.2 to Type C cable but no picture. So for now it only a 15" connected via HDMI to USB C.
Congrats on the 100K!
Thank you!
Would be interested in a home setup tour if your interested in doing something like that
Congrats on the play button!!
Thanks!
That is a very very good hardware choice. Love it.
Very Very Interesting. I do wish they would start using these processors in a NAS form-factor that supports at least 2 x 3.5" drive bays. All the connectors in the world cant replace the need for a place to dock for your hard drives. Currently I find laptops to be a better option than these mini PCs which are effectively headless laptops
They should make it modular, just buy a couple of bays and attach it to the base and you get a NAS. Like a laptop dock.
I think the main issue there is sizing the power supply. By which I mean not trusting the customer to get an adequate one, and then complaining.
Thanks for this video going to try CPU affinity on a 5950x to keep a guest os on one CCD
The Intel NUC line is going out of business and was sold to Asus. Since Geekom IT line is basically a clone the Intel NUC build design at a lower price, I'll just buy the latest version of Geekom IT when my last Intel NUC mini-PC nearly dies.
Endurance cores or efficiency cores?
What kernel version are you using in Proxmox ? I've read from Beelink that linux 6.1 should be used to benefit from all the Alder Lake power management features.
Hmm good question! I’m pretty sure 5.15, so that might have contributed to higher power draw. I might have to test that out.
They are really cool.
Surprised they bothered with a SATA ribbon connection on 12th gen, after all who is really using sata ssds on this gen. Still good review, am a fan of the channel 👌
It’s not bad if you’re just looking for more capacity on either a 2.5 inch mechanical or SSD
YAY new Hardware Haven video🎉
🎉
Is 12/13th gen intel as efficient (performance/watt) as ryzen 7k?
What is that Elite Desk model you have in the back? It's huge o_o
Pro desk 600 G3. Should have a video on it next month!
@@HardwareHaven the one I have is 800 G3 and it's tiny by comparison. I thought it might have been an optical illusion.
performance of these mini pcs are all alike, depending on cpu inside. the thing that would be nice to know is how are they made. many of these are badly engineered, high noise and temps, dying rather sooner then later. maybe some magnifying glass and check on soldering job and such. that thing is small, but it still costs 600+ $. its a lot for something that could die in a month and their service and return policies are abysmal. and no not just geekom, i mean all these chinese off brands, like minisforum, beelink etc
Just wow. It can handle KC:D better then my laptop with 1050Ti.
Oh interesting. Is it a full on 1050ti or a “laptop” equivalent?
@@HardwareHaven Laptop. Maybe it was CPU (7300HQ) limited, also the game was kinda laggy at launch. I am not sure.
Could you do a video that goes deeper in the core management of Proxmox? Like you have an N100 with four cores but you can run 6 VMs, including some that are allocated multiple cores? How the fuck does that work? Do you set priority rules etc?
Endurance Cores?? WTF xD 3:18
Lol whoops. Sometimes I don’t understand why my brain does what it does
@@HardwareHaven Yeah everybody has that. Dont worry about it. :D
hey haven can you make video about adguard
please thanks
There is tool from the arr family that is better than handbrake if you are over the network it is called tdarr
So I found your video showing how to use ngrok to run a Minecraft server "Host A Game Server When Your ISP Doesn't Want You To - NGROK" you said you couldn't show us how to auto run it on windows, and then you said at least not in this video, I desperately need to know how to do this type of thing, because I have a crappy T-Mobile Home, I know the video was made over a year ago, but I beg of you please make a follow up to it!
I’d probably take a look at cloudflare tunnels. There are some good videos out there
i will put like just for your baby intro
Lol thanks
1 month later and no longer available with an i7. Just an i5 or or N5095
Oh hey look, it's a NUC.
But a little bit different and less expensive 👍🏻
no they don't support Thunderbolt. if they would support thunderbolt the ports have a tb logo there. since usb4 includes some parts of tb but not the complete implementation. from what geekom answered u they are lying about it supporting thunderbolt. Cause if u make a system that is supposed to have TB then they wouldn't give such a vague answer. plus they would include tb drivers from factory
Lol Intel. Imma pass
"...the 12th gen..."
that's all i need to hear to figure out it's too expensive
Lol I feel ya
Isn't that an Intel nuc?
Similar to actually
How about printing an own case with a bigger fan? Get a 3d printer sponsor👍
Crazy that this PC only pulls about 18W.
Sometimes I don’t think people give enough credit to the lower powered x86 chips we have today
It's just a nuc xD