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I got the verums last year out of curiosity, and found them pleasantly surprising, as I find many other headphones. But I also find his behavior strange, which is a shame, as I think he has the ability to create a great product long term.
Agreed. It was a very tonally pleasing and fairly capable headphone. It's a shame basic decorum does not exist in the company
I own them, they are fine headphones. And at $350 they are punching well above their weight keeping up with $1000 cans no problem. As far as distortion, every headphone has some. But at $350 I can't think of a single headphone that comes even close to these for overall sound. And build is fine especially at the $350 price point. You are making this way more dramatic than it needs to be and not keeping the price in mind.
🤣 You've got this backwards. Ygor is making this more dramatic than it needs to be.
@@squirts1 Look at the comments of him trashing people who disagree with him. He's almost as bad as Ygor.
@@dtz1000 who? I can't see the comment you replied to and forgot what/who it was about.
@@dtz1000 shut up
I'm lucky to have one with no issues at all. My smartphone can drive it at decent volume. One of my best headphones so far.
Same here, I also asked if he would check out my headphones because I felt like there was some weak contact, ended up just being my plugs, having a thicker base fixed it. I honestly also was offered a repair, I'd have to pay 40$ in shipping so that he could ship them back, that of course sucks, but I can definitely see how its necessary for him, since he is only one person.
I was wrong to criticize a bug detected in verum 1, I must rectify and with this writing I do. I believed that the connection problem was due to the poor production of the helmets, specifically the cups where the connection was lost. This is not so, the problem was due to the cable. I had to change the cable twice to be able to enjoy these wonderful headphones. I'm sorry for my mistake. However, of the two claims made, only one was attended to, the first. This doesn't seem right to me. All the best
I got mine originally from the Kickstarter. When I got it in and to this day, they remain the best headphones I own. The guy might not be man of the year but he makes a damn good headphone. With it being a hand made product from a single person, I cannot expect a level of quality assurance that I can expect from Sennheiser or Grado. I cannot expect a level of professionalism from the same person who does literally everything else. He should definitely be looking for improvement. Seeing many people out there in a professional environment doing things differently and I can see a person who does all that to also do everything else perfectly. These are my opinions and I've had to send my Verum One in for service and I see it is worth it.
Maybe because you don't own hifiman arya or lcd x.
@@yooanto9465 I've tried them, they're alright.
Honestly, this is the problem with todays cancel culture. Who gives a flying you know what about what the maker of gear, and actor or whoever is like. It's the finished product and support of that product that matters be it a movie, music, headphones, whatever.
Although I've no personal experience dealing with Ukrainians I do have friends who are Russian expats and have generally found that a certain level of casual racism is culturally ingrained. Given Ukraine borders Russia there will be some cultural crossover..... Sadly their military crossed over also but thats for another time......
Yeah, in some degree it can be a gamble to buy a Verum. Personnaly i got it a while back, and i can confirm, that you DONT need an amp to drive it. Obsiously if you use it with a proper amp/dac combo, it gives you even more. I have tried it with numerious amps, and never had any issues with it. 0 distortion. Everyone is blown away if i show them how they sound straight up from a PC motherboard.
It is a gamble indeed but at that price, you can buy 3, and just keep the one that works, and you still got the best headphones at that pricepoint.
I personally couldnt care less of Igor's personality. If a product is good, its good. If you buy a hand manufactured electronic from Ukraine, you know the risk...
I have tested the verum one and comparing the sound quality with headphones that cost twice, even 3 times, they still sound better. I believe you should learn some humility also my friend, you're attitude is not the best. This guy created an audiophile level headphones for more than reasonable price, what did you? A TH-cam channel?
Nice how you gloss over his racism, blatant mistreatment of his customers, and repetitive lies about his product. It’s really sad how some of you people will ignore anything just because you like this guys headphones. Don’t lecture me about humility. Go sow your wisdom seeds to Igor.
@@NoThemeReviews again, what have you done? Besides a chanel of TH-cam?
Lol, nice try. This isn’t about me, as much as you’d love to distract from Igor’s unethical and immoral behavior. You gonna keep pretending that just because you like his headphones he’s got some sort of blank check to get away with his shit? Cool. You do that.
@@alx7318 You know, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to make headphones. It also doesn't take much effort to be civil, respectful, and courteous to paying customers--something that Igor clearly can't do.
I was going to purchase these headphones until I read that last comment about 'blacks'. Geez...as a black male, that really hit me hard. Change of plans......
They’re good if you get a good pair with no channel imbalance.
NOT buying a headphone from him won't change his racism, sadly.
@@x-techgaming absolutely. With that being said, it is ethical not to give my money to him. Hence, my decision.
get some beyerdynamics. Only headphones that i can trust with bass
I just got a set a few months ago and really like them.
Of course with my desk top amp they sound much better than without.
The flaws you mentioned may be an legit issue with you and his return policy may be poor, but ever try and return a chi fi product or try to figure out what the heck the tracking information is telling you.
Quite the feud you two are had. Perhaps you should get married. LOL! Seriously, you spent way too much time on this(talking in circles). This guy is clearly living rent-free in your head. Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's what he was after the whole time?
No, I don’t dwell on stupid ideas
@@NoThemeReviewsyou are stupid
People throw the word "racist" around like they drink water, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Nope. Definitely meets the definition, and definitely seems like a sketchy guy when it comes to business.
After this will never do business with this company
I'm glad I bought a pair before I knew about his behavior issues. I really do love the way they sound.
Now that you know about his behaviors , RETURN IT, oh sorry…. He will refuse the return…. Too bad
ME TOO!!!
I got into this hobby about a year ago, and it's taken me this long to feel the fatigue of the hype reviewers. Thank you for being so honest. I'm writing this as you said in this video you only have 10k subs and I honestly thought it was much more. Hopefully people catch on soon!
P.S Do you have any thoughts on the campfire mammoths? And are you going to review the Moondrop Variations?
I love this video, I’ve seen numerous “brand new perfect condition” that look like 💩. I’d never buy anything from this company no matter what they made. Embarrassing to say the least.
This is actually what the community needs… review without selling themselves to companies… just real reviews… congratulations
I'm currently waiting for my set to arrive and I am looking forward to hearing them, shame this video is all about your issues and not the product.
So really not informative or helpful.
Thank you
1. I already reviewed this headphone well before this video. 2. This video is informative, at least for those who care not to do business with a racist bigot who lies to his customers and treats them with disdain. For your sake, I hope your headphones don’t have the issues others have had to deal with.
You should "relax" too. He is not a company. He is just a one man business that has no idea about Western sales requirements. At the same time he is deeply influenced by Russian business culture and behaviour where emotional expressions are sometimes priority.
😂 Worst. Defense. Ever.
I trust your reviews for reasons I've stated before (I think), if you say there are issues that is it. I still may buy the product, but I wouldn't be in the dark, I've been warned.
Yeah, but it's not the right time to be warned. It really would be more convenient for some if your warnings could come later. Can we schedule it for 2025?
... So when a reasonable person retraces his steps and, giving up any pride, he apologizes, you reveal all the private conversation on your YT channel without first asking him for any permission. Just for a handful of more views.... My compliments yankee boy. Go back to playing with headphones....
😂 Not bothered by Igor’s racism, lies, and outright hostile behavior, you’re more concerned about “privacy”. Lol. You fanatics are out of your minds.
Great review!Thank you for being honest!
Okay, you are fed up with this Igor guy, especially for not coming on your show to give an account of himself. Didn’t he say though that now wasn’t a good time because his country is being invaded? Maybe that is more important right now than fighting over a headphone review. 🤔
Ah, if only he actually believed that. He had no qualms about typing his nonsense during the siege. And frankly, yes it is the right time to upload this video.
@@NoThemeReviews Honestly, it is the wrong time. I enjoy your reviews and would not buy these headphones based on your original review. Still, the idea that this guy would use the invasion to avoid a reckoning with you is a bridge too far. Based on the good common sense you show in all your reviews, I think you would come to agree with me if you applied logic instead of emotion.
@@GadZookz I do not agree with you. The "wrong time" argument is at least as emotional. What objective reason can you or anyone else offer for this being the wrong time? The video has nothing to do with the war, makes zero impact on it, makes no comment supporting it, makes no statement contributing to harm through it. So what's the basis to say it's the wrong time?
You and others think it's not the correct time because you wouldn't have done it. You have an emotional reaction, which is the only basis to say not now. And of all the people who have commented that the timing is bad, not a single one has offered WHEN the correct time would have been. What objective timeline can you provide as an alternative?
This timing argument simply lacks depth. If this is to be taken seriously, then anyone who commits any social wrong should be excused because they volunteer or are drafted into service, or get caught in violence. When has that been a standard in the past? Who else can you think of who has been granted such unusual courtesy?
As for whether Igor would use the war as avoidance...well...he did. At least twice in his comments he used it as an excuse. But, it doesn't matter.
@@NoThemeReviews You previously made good video critiquing his product. Your latest effort though is a meticulous take down of the guy himself in which you offer him a chance to respond on your show. So, the right time would have bee when nobody was trying to bombs on his head. Compared to the threat of being blown to bits, your stinging critique of his behaviour must feel light as a feather. 🙁
@@NoThemeReviews in relation to your question to the people who think the timing was not right….Your question being when was the right time to make the video? ….the answer is along time ago! ….A lot of the examples you have provided e.g. the racist and toxic correspondence dates back at least 2 years ago. You knew very well that this person was not rational quite some time ago. As soon as you google today…verum audio ….the warnings appear.!!! So why make the video unless you’re main aim is to antagonise the guy after he did not agree with your offer so to speak? Yes at the same time his country is been invaded. You actually say in your video that you know it will get under Igor’s skin. Unless you think your audience is stupid ( which I don’t believe you do) how can you say that you published the video at this time to warn us about verum audio….again the information is already out there and assessable to even the most naive of us. Doing the most simplistic research… a google search. 😀 At the end of day you made the choice to publish it. That is your right. As it is our right to say we don’t agree and vice versa ( public forum) End of story…. I just thought I would take the liberty of answering your question.
Here is an example that immediately appeared when searching for verum audio via google. There are plenty of them.
www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/verum-racist-and-vile-please-dont-give-him-business.4494/
Be interested to know how long you've had these headphones and why you chose to put this review out now. Everything you mention is valid, the timing is really off though.
These were not my headphones. Someone loaned them to me for a review and I promptly returned them. I explained that in this video and the original review. Since August 2021, I gave Ignor multiple chances to change his behavior. I coached him about it-both over email and over numerous comments in the videos/posts he was ranting in. I warned him over and over again, repeatedly, since last year. This time I had enough. He made several misleading statements about his product, and his attitude clearly had not changed. I’m sorry, but once I give him opportunities over the course of 9 months, I can’t give him any more excuses. He chose to continue his nonsense irrespective of all I had told him. He chose that path despite the warnings I gave him-and the benefit of the doubt, which he in hindsight did not deserve.
As I and others here have mentioned, there’s never a good time to address issues like these. Over the last two years millions have died from Covid, and nobody used that crippling situation as a basis to stop critiquing products or companies. Acts have repercussions. He was told. He can’t use the war as an excuse for why he shouldn’t be called out-especially since he made his most recent statements just yesterday.
@@NoThemeReviews Mate, you have a proofed long time ago these kind of stuff that these are very valid bc i know i have learned so much from you and many many many others
Great video. One reason I respect you so much as a viewer is that you say what you think. There are a couple of other reviewers that I think do a pretty good job, but I sometimes get from their tone of voice that maybe they're having to make themselves say positive things about gear. I've tried several products you have recommended over the past few years. Some I've loved, some were okay, and there was probably one that I really did not like. Still, it would never occur to me to log on to this channel and blast you because I didn't like something you recommended. That being said, I don't imagine you would have been rude about me expressing my opinion if I told you I didn't like certain gear. Why anyone with two neurons to rub together would ever think that was acceptable is something that I guess I'm not wired to comprehend. Novel over. Keep making excellent videos.
You are not alone. My Verum1s developed a channel imbalance after two days of use. a 50% restocking fee and shipping IS the cost of the headphone. I am not throwing good money after bad. Long story short I was burned do NOT purchase this headphone. If anyone wants to buy my super heavy Verum1 with a channel imbalance let me know. They did sound great for about 8 hours. It was not a 40 dollar an hour experience.
how'd it go?
I’m in the same boat as you, my pair developed channel imbalance and I returned them. I got them backed and they developed a channel imbalance again.
Im not bothered to send them back, the wait was like close to a year.
Till this dude gets too many returns and dissappears.
My son has been waiting several *months* for a warranty driver. (imbalanced channel) if we get the part we'd be happy to replace it ourselves. We measured impedance, sent photos of the multimeter readings, now crickets. 😏😒
Their factory is being bombed constantly so I'd be inclined to get a pair some day. Plus I think it's a really good product. Built to a price point yes but everyone says they sound pretty good.
Not everyone
Quality control is a big Thing. It is a little company . But he has to improve on the quality control . Is so important. Even more important than the sound . . . .
Totally agree! More these kind of stuff should come to light! Why buy the product if the maker even dont know what hes supposed to do like first A) Customer Support (real one) B ) Marketing scheme C) narcistic personality D) QC-issues E) Warranty? Is that joke? (Alcoholic maybe) :D
the kind of video that try to collect click without any content.. you have a technical issue:sort it out...
to call it disaster means that your goal is different...
🤣 That’s rich. A racist who lies about his product and treats his customers with disdain, and has been kicked out of every major forum for that repeated behavior…yeeeeah. “Technical issue.” I see your goal now. Well done.
I have a pair and really enjoy them, though I would never recommend them as ones only pair of headphones. However, I fear your criticisms of Igor and his paranoid, defensive and aggressive behaviour are entirely justified. An enormous shame given the remarkable accomplishment of bringing a new headphone to market all by himself.
I hope very much he and his loved ones stay safe in the current appalling conflict but also hope he can turn things around with his company and properly rejoin a community which, initially at least, very much wanted to embrace him and his headphones.
Yes, I can concur with your assessment. One can enjoy the product but not endorse the company or person. It is a simple concept of mutual benefit. If we watch out for our shared rights as consumers (eg, not to be lied to, not to be threatened, not to be bullied or insulted by a company), then we can hold some power against people like Igor.
I got them loved them after a fee months one cup was less loud than the other. I contacted Igor to witch after I sent him a test of my headphones he said he would send me a cup free of charge. He wad always very nice. But that was January and I've contacted him several times for updates but he hasn't responded
IGOR: GROW UP, PLEASE!
I remember reading through the shit the guy pulled with a member of SBAF. The guy is not getting any of my hard earned cash.
Note about ASR: I am not sure I would trust the measurements from there. Especially at low resistances/impedances, you need to pay a LOT of attention to the test setup.
I'm pretty sure Amir has very little knowledge about what he's doing there. That's why his "reviews" are not actual reviews. The numerous inconsistencies in his measurements over the years--which have been documented in competing forums--and his blatant support for Topping and SMSL despite apparently all of their products sounding the same (if you look at the measurements), makes me seriously question what benefit he's actually providing in the long run.
Agree completely. I’m surprised you didn’t go cannibal on him. Lol. Even now you’re not hitting for the knockout
People have purchase bias and some need to justify purchase remorse .
Did you voice over Rejection Proof by Jia Jiang on Audible? The vocal resemblance is uncanny.
I applaud your stance.
Actually I was considering getting the Verum 1, but I have now decided look elsewmere. Seems to me that there is only one thing that is always consistent with Igor - his negative behavior. If Igor wants to cut his nose to spite his face, then all he is doing is pulling the rug out from under his own feet.
I had these. They sound great, IMO. But the metal notch at the top of the headband made them one of the most uncomfortable sets I have tried. I had to sell them. And, yeah, I have heard for years that Igor can be an @$$. SMH.
Yeah, same here. It gave me a bad headache.
Try the new ones, they are fantastic and very comfortable!
I am not sure, if this is appropriate right now. Timing is really bad. His city of Kharkov is under siege. Hope that he is still alive and not suffering much. Yeah, the world is full of ignorants.
That’s a terrible place for him and his family. He should have thought about that before returning to his absurd behavior.
Naw. A guy sells you a bill of goods, then says don’t expose me because things are bad right now. Would you? Igor chose this path. Man…no themes gave him
Many chances and he stilled chose poorly. Like the chalice in Indiana Jones
It was never appropriate for him to be racist and lie about his headphones. How many people has he defrauded? How many people bought his headphone, then were forced to keep them because of Igor's bully return policy? I read No Themes Reviews' comments to Igor about the war, and he clearly said he hopes Igor and his family are safe. But Igor DID choose to continue his behavior despite the war. He was promoting nonsense about his headphone yet again in the middle of a siege.
This is the "be the bigger man" argument. As if turning the other cheek or walking away is what "bigger men" should do. I disagree. I think being the bigger person requires you to confront people like Igor, irrespective of the blow back from others, and without concern about the perception of timing. No other reviewer over the last several years has done with this one did--and I think this too was late in coming.
If you have followed Igor's behavior, then you would notice that Igor wasn't concerned about timing either. He continued to rant in the middle of a siege, and said the same type of stuff he's been saying for years.
@@NoThemeReviews are you fn kidding me right now man? “He should have thought about being a better person and living in the city he’s lived in for years before Russia invaded it”? How do you claim moral superiority and then say shit like this? You’re just a bad person, regardless of if you’re right. Igor may be insane, but you’re no better.
No you're not biased, yes Igor isn't behaving professionally. However he does care about his product. He is still soldiering on despite his city becoming a war zone. I would argue that the existence of verums is an overall good since they puch way up their weight class, driving the price of hi-fi audio is a worth cause. I do wish Igor was handling things better.
Nothing is worse than lacking quality control . .
The people upset at the timing of this video but agree with it on its merits should be more mad at the people in this community with large platforms who decided to stay silent on this while it was happening. The window for "good timing" passed a while ago.
Just FYI I reckon there's a lot of arsey weird hifi CEO's out there 😅
I was wondering why dankpods unlisted his video on the verum 1's, but I could never really get a clear answer on why it happened, just something about 'nasty rumors'. I'm assuming the issues mentioned in this video have something to do with it.
Good afternoon, in your criticism of Igor I think you are right. In my opinion, as in yours, it is not admissible that if you have a company that exports to the whole world you behave like a neighborhood thug at the slightest annoyance. Denying the evidence only leaves the person who does it in a bad place, not the one who uncovers it. I have kept emails with Igor since I complained about a connection failure between the cable and the verum1 cups. He sent me another cable but it did not solve the problem. I don't think the problem is in the cable but in the cups, which makes the matter much more serious. A new cable does not have to give connection errors and if you change it it is very unlikely that the new one will give the same problem. Unfortunately I think that Igor is too big for his own company. As you say it is not a personal problem but a professional one. I have been left with a pair of 300-euro headphones that I cannot use and Igor does not solve the problem for me. Thanks.
Sorry to hear about this. It’s unfortunate you had to go through this, but at least you have evidence to show others so they don’t deal with this guy.
bruh u bought a hand made headphone from ukraine chill out, mine also had some Connection problems on the left earcup and igor also sent me a free new cable, but my local hifi shop could repair the issue inside the cup without issues for 60€ and i love the headphones! would buy again
I can't say I can relate to your experience, as for me, the headphones have been simply amazing for both music and gaming.
As for Igor, I can't relate to anybody elses experience either, as from my personal experience, he was pleasant to interact with about any questions I had.
We got your back!
I was so close to buying one of these a while back. I'm glad his behavior's so bad that I was able to dodge this bullet.
TBH if you got a pair that is working properly, and will work for 10+ years, its a gamble of your life. Believe me, they sound amazing for 350 dollars.
@@sollap2 That's such a silly statement. All you're doing is telling people to gamble their money away for a product that YOU think sounds good, despite the fact that there's no way for you to even know that this headphone will work for "10+ years."
@@jimgordon8376 Gmbling is a huge overstatement obviously. Go to reddit, go to any video's comment section, you really cant find any people complaining about the quality of the headphones. Yes, there always will be bad apples, but the rate is very-very-very low.
It sounds way above its competitors in price. Its not just my opinion. Even the reviewers who dont like the overall experience of the product, wouldnt state otherwise.
Listen, i have had a few headphones, and i have access to some really-really high value ones. I would still state, that is you only care about the sound quality, you could not spend 350 better. Or even 700.
@@sollap2 I don't think the "you can't find any people complaining about the quality" is necessarily true. People have complained, and it's in the forums. But as you say, QC is an issue for every product. The moral question is are you willing to fund a racist bigot because you want a headphone you think sounds good. It seems it's not a moral quandary for you since you'd buy the headphone irrespective of Igor's impulses. That's your call, but it's a hard pill for everyone else to swallow.
I was actually willing to roll the dice on these headphones fully understanding the caveats of the product. However, I have no interest in spending my money supporting a business and a person that behaves so poorly.
Furthermore, I'm a Black American. I may indeed not be a mathematician but I do know that I can put $350 dollars to much better use than purchasing a Verum product.
Wrong timing, wrong message, just a video that shouldn't exist. I could have come across a great review and follow you, but I found this... and this does not resonate with me. At all... Not trying to support Verum neither, but if you do not like someone, his ways, his products.... Just let it be, he is on his own path, and he has to find his own learnings. As you do. As we all do. Who didn't do a mistake and had to solve it later on? Who didn't made the same mistake more than once? even over and over until the great ahhaaa moment arrived? This video you created is all focused on drama, bad vibes... what for...? Pushing him to a graveyard? would you like to send him to jail? to a possition where he has no options to learn? to become better? With your words you seem weak, frearful and with no mercy... be greater than that and show acceptance and compassion even if you do not understand his behaviour. This guy is trying to do his best and, ok, you are probably right... he has tons of things to learn in communication, in treating people, in resolving issues... But that does not mean that he has to be hidden in the shadow. With this video you made it personal and by doing that you are showing the worse you. Shame.
Why don’t you turn your own cheek and let others decide how they want to deal with someone like Igor. If you want to show him mercy for his racism, lack of remorse, repetitive lies and complete disrespect for customers, then that’s your business. And yes, he should be in the shadows. That’s where he and his kind belong.
@@NoThemeReviews until watching this video I did not know much about verum except for a few reviews on other channels. Personally the look and style of these headphones don’t appeal to me. I don’t comment too much on social media but commented quite a lot ….probably far too much . It really surprised me. I mean such a seemingly smart guy like yourself not seeing something so obvious. I have since every now and again checked the verum website to see for any update during the war. An interesting situation running a global based business during an invasion. He updated it a few days ago. Very interesting reading. I then today decided to check the comments section of this video. ..and sure enough I find this. The fact you are still so fiercely defending comments after all this time tells me you know at some level there is truth in this kind of feedback whether you admit it or not. You are not letting your video speak for itself at all because it doesn’t. Are you some wicked bad person… definitely not. Is Igor a challenged individual ? Yes Definitely ….he has more character holes than Swiss cheese. I hope one day you see this. ( relative truth of this feedback) and in the main the constructive nature of it. We all have development opportunities including myself and Igor has more than his fair share. Good luck to you ..
@@Joel-m777 Km defending my comments because I disagree with those who criticized me. If you think defending oneself against ridiculous allegations is proof that the allegations are true, then you clearly have a skewed perspective. Stop making excuses for Igor. The ear has nothing to do with his continual deception, lies, disgusting treatment of customers, or his racism. Nothing you or anyone else says will ever convince me that Igor should be given the benefit of the doubt, or that his conduct is excusable, or that my video was ill-timed. He deserved what he got, and a video from a small channel is really the smallest punishment he could have received. You’re free to turn your own cheek. Don’t expect me to do as you.
@@NoThemeReviewsIt’s interesting you see this as allegations. As one who has actually given this kind of feedback I certainly would not choose that particular word to describe my feedback. It appears you don’t like what you see as the implied judgment. What I believe is driving this feedback you are so fiercely defending against well at least mine but I suspect others are motivated the same way. Is indeed actually your judgement! of Igor. Yes you will say he deserves it because he is racist etc etc. but you sir are assuming he is exactly like you ( ironic isn’t it? and should do as you do! and assuming in the world there is one moral universal code that we all base ourselves from. I don’t how much you have seen of the world out side of your country but i can tell you first hand the playing field is vastly different. Once you dig underneath the surface it is quite astonishing but as I have already said I suspect you can also see this at some level but are more concerned with just defending yourself. That is the whole point, Igor is not you and has some shortcomings you can’t force someone to be like you. i.e. if Igor agreed to be interviewed by you and accepted your guidance you would not have made the video and yes the racist behaviours and toxic behaviour etc of the past would have all been forgiven. Who’s to say Igor won’t find his way without your guidance? Your video certainly is not helping him but rather damming him, and the timing just compounds it. Anyway at the end the day let’s hope the market decides the fate of Igor’s business. I personally think he will be ok he seems to have a loyal following despite his obvious flaws.
@@Joel-m777 Yup. I’m sure people will continue to purchase from him. More the curious why some are so concerned about my comments, since evidently his fans aren’t affected and he’ll continue business. And yes, I do damn him.
It's like igor wants his company to fail, at least him and I can finally agree on something.
I'm certain pretty much everyone would agree that a murderer or a rapist should still be held accountable for their deeds while a small-time speeder shouldn't in face of the ongoing war.
So who exactly defines what can be said and what can't regarding this video? In the end it's our subjective view and we shouldn't forget that.
Therefore treat others who don't share your opinion the way you would want to be treated and rather discuss things instead of acting like you are the keeper of wisdom...
Little advice for @No Theme Reviews: While it's true that most of us don't actively contribute to your channel you shouldn't forget that it's said people who actually watch your videos. As a matter of fact you are making your videos for exactly those people, right?
So just because they don't agree with you and don't contribute doesn't mean their opinion is worthless. Show them the respect you talked about in your videos and think of it as a constructive input from your "fan base".
Last but not least don't get me wrong: I'm no hater, just observed how you talked about important traits but somewhat fail to live up to them in the comments (happens to the best).
Right, being direct with people is equal to Igor’s conduct? That’s your position? Thanks.
@@NoThemeReviews I actually never made that comparison. In fact I never heard of Igor before, so I can't really compare you two.
You were talking about respecting negative feedbacks and I liked that. Therefore you should set a good example and treat those who pointed out the timing with said respect.
I suspect that if he thought the comments were worthless, he would have said that. Disagreeing with people who tell him things that he doesn't agree with is not showing disrespect. You seem to think that all comments should be given equal weight, or No Themes should abjectly accept them. Why? He has every right to say to you or anyone else he doesn't agree with what you're telling him, and that you have no right to tell him what he can and cannot do on his own channel. Why is that being disrespectful? Like...nowhere here has he made derogatory statements about people who've been critical of him. Defending his own position is now considered disrespectful?
Somebody here said they are/were Patrons and were glad he didn't put the patron names on this video because he does not support it. I didn't realize this before I read that comment, but doesn't that show that No Themes made this video as his own opinion piece--like, it has nothing to do with patron support or whatever? It is his channel, just like Zeos or JV or anyone else. Documenting something that is important to him is as much a right as it is for anyone else, whether they have a channel or not.
I also disagree with your position that he should create content for his fan base. That's chasing the wind. He should create content for what he believes in, one way or another. It's up to his fan base to decide whether they want to watch or not, agree or not. Your constructive input is not about video editing or length of content or what next to review. It's actually about censoring or limiting or shaming someone who has as much a right to express their opinion as you.
I mentioned in an earlier comment here that this is simply hypocrisy. You're ready to scold No Themes for not demurely accepting criticism, when you yourselves haven't demurely accepted his criticism/opinion.
@@jimgordon8376 Are you like his friend or something ?
Jesus, I had no idea that the head of Verum Audio company is such person. Just seen a bunch of positive reviews of his headphones and was thinking about ordering it myself one day, but your video has completely changed my mind, I don't want to support that. Shame on him for making a bad reputation for Ukraine as well.
Thank you for the review.
It's a shame, really. The headphones are very nice and Ukrainians are generally very hard working people.
As a Ukrainian, I am ashamed that our country is represented on the headphone market by such a shitty person as Ihor (Haruspik). I am actually learning to make headphones now, so in a few years I'll be able to start my own small Ukrainian audio company. But I'm really nervous about it because of one stupid person our country already got the bad reputation in the field.
As skilled at dissecting arguments as dissecting gear. Love it!
Even Zeos won't review the Verum on his headphone wall. That says a lot. He knows the potential for drama.
He already reviewed em. Maybe he deleted the (~2 year old) video?
@@LeDechaine He now has a different set that was custom made (purple). In the 2021 headphone wall video, he got to them but then suddenly skipped over them entirely without a word. It was a bit odd.
@@Nick-s-f Nice to see that Zeos also has questionable ethics. He recognizes the problems but has no difficulty in continuing to financially support Igor. It's just amazing. Says a lot about his mindset as well.
@@Nick-s-f Well...if he bought a custom made Verum after knowing about Igor's behavior...ooof. What does that say about Zeos's morals?
They were sent to me free of charge, but it was arranged long LONG before the controversy began. So one day they just showed up over a year and a half later. There on the wall just because I was filling out out. Deciding what to do with them is the moral question.
For total transparency the HP could be send to a reviewer with measurement gear? ASR or DMS the headphone show, to take some real conclusions from the gear...just saying
How? It’s not my gear. How am I supposed to send a headphone loaned to me to someone else? I right right do I have to do that?
@@NoThemeReviews I hope the owner could to that then. It would really helpful to define the problem with the gear. About the maker is all clear
He sold it as well. He’s commented here somewhere that he wasn’t going to deal with Igor’s return policy.
I appreciate the transparency and willingness to talk about all of this with your audience.
The more i think of it, the more i want igor to have his own measuring rig, if only he sent in one of his slightly faulty products towards one of the more influential reviewers like ASR, like a middleground in midst of his inconsistency
I love the headphones (the unit I used didn't have the bass distortion and could easily square off with the lcd2/lcd2c/lcd3) but hate the headphone maker
None of units had bass distortion:)
P.s. I love you anyway
The fact that even Zeos was unwilling to talk about this brand anymore (despite still having a Verum One on his Wall of Fame) says a lot.
They must be good then.
@@orgy7orgy7 While Zeos doesn't have the best reputation for being objective in his reviews, let's not become completely contrarian to the point that everything he hates is automatically good. Zeos has hated headphones that I ended up loving, but he has also praised headphones that I also love. He just judges audio gear strictly based on his own sonic preference (which to my understanding is quite warm and bassy).
And as I said, he does still hold the Verum One in high regard, he just (rightfully) refuses to promote the brand anymore.
@@orgy7orgy7 Deeez. Deeez headphones.
@@shockwave2291 I know this is old but but Zeos does NOT have a warm and baddy preference, just look at his glowing praise of the 2021 XC which is the most bass anemic LCD Audeze has released and needs incredible eq (after which it does sound amazing) but Zeos never made any claims he eq’ed it. Additionally he loves the 600 and 650’s which is also extremely bass light.
Not criticizing your comment, just putting this here in case someone were to be potentially misled by it and buy gear with that in mind
No theme reviews. I no longer have this headphone. I sold it to someone. Terrible refund and warranty. I didn't even want to bother to reach out to him for a refund. The guy is also just toxic.
Eastern Europe is toxic in general. Not all but stereotype wise.
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eloquent and balanced critique of Verum Audio and I won't be buying their products
When you upload hi-x60 review?
It'll probably be about 3 weeks. Usually it's at least that long for any review so that I have enough time with the equipment.
@@NoThemeReviews It has to be that long so you have a complete image of their sound. Also compare with x55s.. please..
On the basis of complete transparency (which I applaud No Themes Reviews for trying to uphold), let's get a few more facts down. First, Igor has a page on his website dedicated to why he made some of these statements. It is cringe-worthy to say the least. Here's an excerpt:
"So when BLM protests took places in the USA and the vast majority of European countries, I must confess that all this looked for me comical. Especially when people that were never slave masters apologized and took a knee to people who were never slaves after police murdering recidivist criminal."
In this webpage, Igor says there's no evidence of some other allegations against him, referring to homophobia, antisemitism, and the threats he made against Max Settings. He is widely acknowledged as having made statements to that effect on Discord. There were screenshots on Reddit, but those links are now dead. His vile commentary about others--regardless of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or religion--are unacceptable. Igor claims on his website the he was sent threats on Discord for his comments (that he never made, according to him). He says: "Frankly speaking, for a single-man company who is writing my real home address as return address on boxes with headphones those threats caused some anxiety."
Whether he received any such threats is up for debate. And, since he likes to play the "show me the evidence" game, we can too. He has not provided any evidence that he was being doxxed or threatened. For someone who constantly says people are making false accusations, he should know enough to take screenshots of the alleged abuse he suffered.
Any company that has to issue an "explanation/apology" like this simply cannot be trusted or endorsed.
I have run into Igor's supporters, and they either do not know his history or simply do not care. The former category can be shown Igor's misbehavior. The latter won't be swayed by any form of rational discourse. Either this latter group actually shares in Igor's disgusting beliefs, or are so smitten by a headphone (and have a unhealthy personal attachment to it) that they do not care they are endorsing a patent racist and overall awful company/proprietor.
Disagree if you wish about the timing, as some of you have. But it was never good timing for Igor's racism. The harm he caused to others--the mental suffering he caused on Max Settings, who does have personal issues particularly susceptible to pressure and anxiety--is of grave concern. Igor finds a way to talk out of both sides of his mouth. He doesn't think he's wrong, says he is wrong but finds an excuse why not to hold him accountable, then turns himself into a victim. The War In Ukraine is an absolutely awful thing, and nobody here has championed it or defended it or said anything negative about the Ukrainian people.
It begs explanation why a company's racism and outright deception can continue to be ignored, pushed aside, and open discussion be delayed any further. For those who are more concerned about the TIMING of this video, consider that there is never a good time to be insulted about your race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. Those are very personal, very intimate, aspects of one's being. Insults and slurs that hit upon those subjects are cutting, deeply offensive at least to the person who is the target, and perpetuate more hate and ill treatment.
I think it is very strange--and frankly questionable--when people complain about the timing of this video, as if calling out Igor for his behavior is somehow showing support for war, or undermining efforts against the war. As No Themes Reviews said in this video, it's excuse after excuse after excuse. One thing after another. Keep delaying the confrontation, and you'll always find a reason to not have it.
Sometimes you just need to confront people about very serious matters, especially such as this. If Igor's clearly inconsistent and deceitful dissemination of information regarding his headphone is not bad enough, his documented evidence of vile speech and bully tactics should be more than enough impetus for confronting him.
Do not support someone like Igor. Do not support Igor's company. He put himself in this position.
I agree with the content of the video.
On the timing issue, Methinks ye pair doth protest too much and you are far too verbose.
@@kontrolenthusiast1099 So now you have a problem with how long someone takes to express their opinion-not that it was ever directed at you to begin with. I’m convinced you and @Butters have no problem exercising your right to say what you want while denigrating others who do likewise. Must feel very cozy in your blanket of conceit.
@@taylorbergman9898 Indeed it is. Good day, sir! … I said good day!
Your timing on the release of this video, in which you call a headphone a "disaster" and mention the brutal invasion of his country a mere "crisis" is horrible. Your response to "Robbie's Incoherent" below that "we all have problems" is tone deaf at best. Igor's home city of Kharkov is today, right now, undergoing massive shelling. Just yesterday a synagogue was bombed there with 100 innocent civilians inside. Before some commenter assumes I am an Igor lackey or an NTR hater, you should know that mine is one of the names that flashes on NTR's donor lists at the start of each video. I see you did not start of this video with the list. For that I am grateful. Entirely aside from politics, human decency should guide us to pause any widely published criticism of an Individual whose life at this moment is likely in danger. This is especially true when there is no obvious reason why this video, which describes things that happened months ago, has to be released now.
It would have been horrible if I said I support the war, or have no concern for the Ukrainian people. That would have been awful. Was it right for Igor to make outright racist comments? Yes or no? He’s in a war zone, so all of that gets brushed aside for another day? Human decency would have been for him to not use the N word so flagrantly or to tell people he hopes they die. Calling him out for that is poor form because of a war I can’t control and I have no idea when it will end? How long do we brush this behavior down the line?
Supporting the Ukrainian people doesn’t come at the cost of calling out someone like Igor. Both can be done without ill will or desire of harm to either.
Otherwise, if your position is actionable, then nobody should have criticized anyone over the last two years.
@GG Rock I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. No Themes didn't make a political statement about the war since that wasn't the goal of the video. Whether you think it's tone deaf for him to say we all have problems is a personal matter for you. It just seems to me that you're uncomfortable with criticism given the war--and while I understand that, your position doesn't make sense in the long run. I agree with No Themes that if your argument holds water, then nobody should have been allowed to be critical of any product or company during the COVID pandemic. Millions of people are dead because of it, entire families are torn apart, people of all ages suffered from it--not too dissimilar from deaths in war. It's just unfair to ridicule an open statement about this guy's racism and hostile attitude because of a war.
You're also twisting words for offense. I don't know why you think "crisis" is a lesser word than disaster. Frankly, No Themes used that term correctly, given the dictionary meaning of the word crisis. But you're splitting hairs as it doesn't matter one way or another. He's not defending the war or Putin or in any way I can tell supporting the destruction or killing of civilians. He's just calling out a racist who happens to be in a war zone. Maybe if the community banded together last year when the racism really hit the fan, we'd not be here. But we didn't.
Racism persists when people find excuses to not deal with it. It's always an inconvenient time to directly challenge racist people and beliefs. Think about that. Instead of being upset at word usage (which, again, was properly used in this context), and taking offense to a video about a man's clear and documented racism, think about the people he's mentally and emotionally hurt over the years. We're talking about one man and his tendency to be vile, and you're conflating that with a war that nobody here is defending.
@@Joel-m777 When exactly is it a good time to confront a racist? GG's response here is that he's not happy that the video appeared when there's a war. Why? Ostensibly because people are suffering and dying, and Igor happens to be in that place. Okay...and? It's absurd to say that we can't bring this up--after a confrontation of this sort having been delayed for months, AND completely ignored by larger platforms. At some point we all need to just acknowledge that Igor made his choices. Having reviewed most of the information in the comments in the related posts and videos, I can say that No Themes Reviews did give Igor many chances. More than anyone really should have, to be perfectly honest.
Where were you guys when Igor made those racist remarks? Where were you when reviewers did not openly and widely bring this up? Why didn't knock on the proverbial doors and demand this be aired because THEN it was the right time? Now that it happens, it's not the right time because of a war that nobody here controls, and nobody here endorses. Igor has used his position to humiliate, chastise, ridicule, and spew vile hate towards others. The only reason we don't see more of such comments any more from him is because he's been banned from forums. Yet, his misbehavior, his deceitful marketing and selling practices persist.
How long are people to delay confrontation? Until the end of the war (hopefully which comes soon)? When will that be? And when it comes to an end, what's the next excuse? NOT then because now they have to rebuild and people are still suffering? Or that it's NOT the right time because it's too late and the subject should have been brought up earlier?
Excuse after excuse. There is no good timing. There just is. And as others here have said, Igor made his decisions. He has to face consequences. You can disagree about the "timing" but it is the most shaky argument.
@@Joel-m777 No, the timing doesn’t suck. No. Never is it the “wrong” time to confront people like Igor. My fault was to leave it this long. I should have done this last year when I originally was inclined to. I made my decision and I’m perfectly happy with it (to post now). He was given plenty of warnings, including yesterday. As I’ve said, it’s one thing after another with him, one excuse after another. Not today because of X. Yeah, there’s a war and yeah he might be in danger. This video in no way puts him at risk. Maybe you and others think it’s in poor form. Fine. So be it.
@@NoThemeReviews If a goal of your videos is to effectively deliver a message; and you then see multiple comments focusing on your "poor form" rather than the topic; that could be an indication the video is not effective. The wrong time to post a video might be when your message gets lost and the focus turns to defending your own judgement. If your honest reaction to critical subscriber comment is "Fine, so be it" rather than any introspection, perhaps the video is just a rant and you do not care about effectiveness or impact. If that's so, then certainly fine, so be it.
So happy to see your subscribers go past the 10k mark mate. Well done and keep up with the vids
Tough, but fair. Can't wait till you get to Hifiman and Focal.
I’ve been on Hifiman’s case for a while. Focal is definitely overdue. Focals unstated motto is that you can’t have bad customer service if you never acknowledge a customer.
I've not listened to a Verum Audio product but have heard enough about this guy to know he won't ever see a nickel from me!
Maybe the root of this online war of attrition, is that Igor is a secret Russian agent, and @NoThemeReviews has Ukrainian ancestry ?!
Lol. You discovered the truth
I had the first version of these headphones. Technically, I found them impressive, but I didn't love the sound, so I sold them.
But when I received them, they were in a flimsy box wrapped in a little bit of bubble wrap. Definitely not ideal for transporting. Thankfully they made it to the U.K. safely, but I can totally see how others might have been damaged in transit. I don't know if the packaging has improved since I got my pair, but that was my experience.
I didn't have to return them, so can't comment on his returns policy, but, I definitely wouldn't recommend them to others now, mainly because of his general attitude and the way he has responded to genuine criticism.
Far from leaving your channel following this review, I have just subscribed, and look forward to watching more of your videos.
@@frederf69 no I didn't. Delivered with no hassle.
For me as Ukrainian this story is just straight up sad 😔 such a shame
You guys got some serious beef.. This shit sounds personal.
The beef is what he’s caused in the community. I’m just putting it to light.
Not at all. Reviewer sounds completely objective and professional. Problem with the internet is people like you who although hey they speak English they don't understand even their own language.
I bought the Verum from the start of the Kickstarter campaign and I'm not gonna let personal or political issues get in the way of the headset... When I purchased the set everything was "kosher"
Thanks! One more company to avoid I allready avoid hifiman, because of poor quality and no warranty.
Hey guys, I don't think it's the right time for some of you to be complaining it's not the right time. If you haven't' heard, there's a war on, and it's not right to criticize anyone right now. Actually, I'm afraid we are stumbling into WW3, the gas prices are soaring, inflation is out of control, homelessness is rampant, gender and racial inequality is still present, and the world is going to hell in a hand basket. This really isn't the time to complain about timing. It's very uncivil of you if you do. Keep it real!
Thanks I was thinking about buying these but not now. I really look forward to your Videos as your totally honest and frank about the products you're reviewing and I totally agree with what you said about the really bad customer service, thanks you saved me money and the nightmare of dealing with this company again thanks and all the best.
Sadly, this video was badly timed. Can you retract your comment, pretend you weren't warned, and wait until 2025 when the timing might be a little better?
I’m pretty sure all communications attempts in and out of Russia are rerouted via automated service with a not so nice message. I would verify…
I wonder if he’s still taking orders. It would be pretty weird if he did since he can’t possibly fulfill them.
DRAMA!
Kiitos!
Bravo on the review!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
I just saw a review on these, and came STRAIGHT HERE to YOU!!!
I am one of those people who shared their views in relation to the timing of this video . A view that was divergent to the creator of the video. I have since deleted all related comments as I have been admittedly sucked into silly social media banter. A reason I usually do not bother sharing views on these kinds of platforms. As a result of simply saying that I do not agree with the timing of this video I have been directly and indirectly accused of the following:
1. I am trying to control NTR by simply sharing a divergent view.
2. I have been accused of supporting racists.
3. I have been told that my attitude is terrible.
4. I am apparently a hypocrite as well.
5. My view is shameful.
6. Some said I wish you did not even respond ( share a view)
All these views are quite defensive and in some cases outright belligerent and quite controlling in their nature….. because I dare to say that I think the timing is not right. Sharing a view does not imply a sinister attempt to control others. It’s just a point of view for goodness sake. Like Igor clearly there are people here who need to grow the hell up. Someone even mentioned that rather than worrying about the timing we should be more concerned with racial and gender inclusiveness. What about also considering the inclusivity of other viewpoints as well! I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I do have a problem though with rude, toxic accusations being pointed at those who simply choose to mention a different point of view in regards to timing. Thank goodness you don’t make headphones because if you did I would not certainly buy them from you :)
I find the irony of this to be hilarious considering this is one of the points made against Igor which I believe to be correct of how poorly he responds to people who have a different view to his in relation to his headphones.
I watch NTR because of the mainly objective views. I like the procurement type of approach taken. These views have saved me money in one way or another. I intend to continue to watch these videos but I am not going to pay for it ( other then watching a few ads in the process) and if I want share a view here and there , I will. If NTR wants to make more videos about Igor or similar good luck to him i am not interested in controlling his content.
It would have been better for you not to have deleted your comments. Now we don't know what you said and why you received the type of reception you claim. Frankly, I can take a pretty good guess at your position based on some of the other "time" comments I've read here. If you got into a debate about that, then you really don't have a right to complain. It's all good if you say it was the wrong time to make this video, but if you said anything about lack of morals or whatever like some others here have said, then you probably crossed a line. Also, I don't understand your comment about paying No Themes.
@@taylorbergman9898 Most of my comments were actually politely directed at NTR where others have jumped in.. If your interested read through the general comments as you have mentioned to some degree you already have. There are some comments about patrons and how few of them there are. Re paying. Btw I am not painting myself to be some kind of victim here. Just pointing out some of the double standards and that sharing a different point of view to the creator does not imply I am trying to control his content.
@@Joel-m777 I have no idea if they were polite or not, and since you deleted them, nobody else does either. If they were that innocent, it doesn't make sense for you to delete them. I've read a comment here somewhere about paying. It's not what you seem to think it is. He actually very clearly says to someone that he's not running a subscription service, and so you don't get to dictate what he can talk about or when. That seems fair to me.
Honestly, it seems to me that some of you who have complained about timing simply don't seem to understand you're not simply sharing a different point of view. I've seen other comments about how wrong the timing was, and it's not remotely as innocent as you perceive. Saying he's wrong for uploading content when he wants because you don't like the timing is a pretty ridiculous thing to argue.
So, no, I don't actually accept your statements above. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense. You delete comments you claim were polite. You say you're only expressing a different view, but the way others have expressed the same opinion seem adamant about asserting their own view instead of simply making a statement and moving on.
None of these creators are making content specifically for you. They all have their own reasons, and they all have their own timelines. If you don't like what they have to say, move on. If you were walking on the street and heard someone say something you disagreed with, you'd just keep walking. You'd be nuts to stand there and argue. But you guys do it on the internet. It's the strangest thing.
Anyway, just stop. Had you actually kept your texts we might have a discussion about what was said. But you got rid of them, and now we get only one side of the story. That's pretty selfish.
@@taylorbergman9898 you don’t need to accept anything from me. I have chosen to delete my comments that’s my call. You can imply what you like! I don’t need to stop or take your advice I do accept your point of view and good luck to you. I will not reply to any further comments. I don’t need to justify or explain my self to you. You like any one else can speculate on why I deleted the previous comments it’s a free world. Well at least I hope it is. Anyway I suspect you are choosing to see things this way because you simply do not like or agree with my main point I am trying to make…. that is your right. Btw, I did not need to admit that I had previously deleted comments but I also somehow suspect that if I did not declare this you may have found another way to attack and discount my view.
@@Joel-m777 Complaing that you have been mistreated but deleting your own comments so we don’t know the context makes it very difficult to accept what you’re now saying. You should at least admit that much. This is a bit ironic. You apparently made comments about how you didn’t like the timing and it was wrong for this reviewer to post this video…and here you are complaining about a similar thing happening to you. Lol.
Garbage review and very biased.
Naw, it's an honest assessment of a shit company. Stop supporting racist assholes.
@@NoThemeReviews racist remarks don't stop a lot of people from buying good headphones.
I guess this kind of behavior is pretty typical in the audiophile community. It can be supportive but it can be toxic beyond reason.
The way I look at it, an audio product can be amazing but if the company cannot understand or perform basic customer service or takes criticism too personally, I want nothing to do with it. I've given my views on products in comment sections in the past, sometimes negatively, and I have received a lot of blowback from it . That's fine. I like what I like and don't like what I don't like. Time to move on.
Based on your review of these headphones, and the whole dramatic event that unfolded, I won't be looking at this company for any products. But wow(!), he went full-on racist in his comments! As a black male, that absolutely floored me! I guess he feels his product is the "Headphone Supremus".
That explains everything. 🙄
I’m sorry if the images of those comments upset you. I almost didn’t post them, but I thought it important for dissemination.
@@NoThemeReviews We'd rather see it and know what's going on, you made the right call.
@@NoThemeReviews oh no, it's cool. I wasn't offended by that at all. I'm glad you presented that. No offense taken. I was just surprised at his attitude. Just keep doing what you're doing, my friend. It's appreciated! 👍🏻
I'm on two sides of the fence, he has said some pretty horrible stuff and his interactions with the userbase are less than stellar. On the other hand, a smalltime business trying to sell something which he had poured a lot of time into.
Generally, I think a lot of people struggle to take criticism myself included and videos like this do not help that situation. This video says the same message over and over and I think this verges on antagonistic rather than a constructive breakdown. (I think that 6:30 to 20:00 is quite repetitive)
My theory is that Igor didn't expect or was not prepared for serious reviews of his product. Some of which were quite good and others quite damming. I imagine being roasted by a number of people in a language which is clearly not his first will get to anyone. I can think of several run of the mill people creating something and then being overwhelmed by the community. Jason Russell creator of Invisible children for one.
Then again, he has achieved something it's a Planar headset for not a lot of money being made out of (probably) a dude's shed. Some reviews compare them against things that cost magnitudes more.
You mention interactions with other companies and for the most part, you are never talking to one person, usually a bot or someone with media or relations training. This is one person, you cannot expect the same level of communication. Some large companies have done some pretty horrible things (Looking at you Nestlé) yet still remain in the public eye.
He has apologised for some of his behaviour which is commendable but doesn't really explain or fix anything.
Is this comment constructive? Kind of, I hope that Igor is planning to do better and improve his practice however with the current war going on he has probably been called to fight and witnessed a lot of trauma in his city.
Your interaction with him isn't very fair either, your language is confrontational and quite rude.
" Yeah, pick and choose what suits you, yet again. Always the same bullshit from you. It’s not your fault. It’s someone else. It’s unit variation. It’s other equipment. Not you or your products fault, right? Maybe every schoolchild in Ukraine can calculate, but you clearly weren’t taught ethics or honesty. "
You put that in the public space, you represent yourself here, it doesn't look good - at least in my eyes.
At the end of the day, audio is subjective. It's a community that can be very friendly and quite toxic. I like Passion for Sound's review of the situation, one of the product and not the person.
I was abundantly fair with him for several months. If my tone was antagonistic, it’s because it was a direct response to his nonsense. Separating the company/owner from the product is one of the major reasons why Igor hasn’t learned a single lesson and won’t change his behavior or treatment with customers.
Would you frequent an establishment if the proprietor made unambiguously racist, outright derogatory statements in public, and continually reacted as Igor has? You would be seriously okay with Yelp giving praise for the food of an establishment and not mention the negative treatment?
@@NoThemeReviews I understand that but companies are not directly comparable, it would be like comparing McDonald's to a small takeaway. Both make fast food yes, but you treat one differently.
As for still going there? I mean most of us are happy to use Amazon's services despite them treating workers with outright hostility which is on mainstream news, yet people still use them and their services. Nestle are literally responsible for the deaths of children in third world countries yet people still buy their Ice cream at the beach. So In a wider sense I don't think that rhetoric really holds up. I can also think of a bunch of company Twitter slipups over the last few years in poor taste.
As for Igor's racist statements, I can't defend them. I can only say he evidently has a lot of anger. Looking at other comments on these types of videos the people who have bought his headphones and liked them don't inherently regret their purchase. Quite a few people have had some quality issues but so have I from anything made on a small scale from one person. Deduce from that what you will.
As I said before, I'm on both sides of the fence. I want a small business to succeed in a VERY competitive market. At the same time he is far from perfect.
@@Butters-xb5nh You're entitled to how you want to do business and with whom. But it's a bit unsettling that you'd be willing to cut extra slack for a small company, despite the egregious and repeated misconduct.
Your Amazon and Nestle examples are well-taken. Don't use those companies if their treatment bothers you, and speak out against them to your heart's content. But this isn't a Twitter "slip up." Shamelessly and repeatedly using the N-word, disparaging black people for their intelligence, telling customers to die, and making contradictory statements about a product are not slip ups.
You seem to think that just because large companies get away with their nonsense, smaller manufacturers should too. I don't think anyone should get away with this type of conduct--irrespective of size, brand, or nationality.
We aren't dealing with a large corporation or even a small operation with several employees--all of who might be susceptible to making errant mistakes once in a while. Igor is it--nobody else to blame for his conscious disregard of others.
How can you be on both sides of the fence? Either Igor has purposefully and repeatedly done egregious things--despite being warned by many in the community, despite knowing his own reputation is teetering--or he hasn't. The fact is uncontroverted--he indeed has done it, and continued to do it up until the day this video was uploaded.
If you don't care because you like his headphones, then just say that. A few people have been honest about this, and at least it's an open admission. What's the fence sitting about?
@@NoThemeReviews I think you misunderstand my stance. on the fence means you are torn between two options, I like his product it's been in my prospective shopping basket for a while. At the same time, the above reasons prevent me from spending the £. It's still in the proverbial shopping basket though because many people say it's good and there are not many offerings at this price point.
I never said I didn't think he hadn't posted questionable stuff online, don't put words in my mouth now.
@@Butters-xb5nh I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. All I said is that since his conduct is patently obvious and incontrovertible, there's no reason for being on both sides of the fence. If you don't find his conduct troubling enough, then say so. If you think his conduct is egregious, but you can excuse it because you like his product, then say that. If you think his conduct is serious and should be called out, then that's your third alternative. What is there to sit on the fence about?
As for your concern about whether there are any alternatives to the Verum at its price...well...there we go. That's the problem, fundamentally. You may want something others say is amazing, and what are you willing to sacrifice for it?
This headphone has been hyped like any other in the market--irrespective of its price. The numerous build issues, the failure rate of the drivers--despite Igor claiming they are few and far between--and the outrageous "warranty" and return policy don't make this as competitive as you might first imagine.
Ooopsss of the list. If there is something i simply can't stand is bad behavior towards your costumers.
Not sure why anyone would purchase that headphone. It looks cheap, cost too much, and there are many other quality headphones that are much better at lower cost. To each their own I guess.
Hype. The strange thing is that the original version were not resoundingly received. Perhaps it was the idea of a one-man shop that swayed people, and perhaps it was the typical hype from those who like the headphones. People like Oluv and other reviewers to this day praise this headphone and give barely any acknowledgement to Igor's behavior. I think it's appalling how reviewers can separate the company from the product as if one has no bearing on the other. I saw that a German reviewer spoke about the Verum headphones a few months ago, and was confronted about the Igor issue. He didn't seem to care--it was not his problem. Nevertheless, he approved of and recommended the headphone.
How can anyone conscientiously approve of reviewers who think like that?
Because they sound amazing.
@@ericboucher799 So does "relaxing diareah sounds" here on TH-cam. Look it up.
@@bubblehead5394 apologies. I didn’t realize you wanted to just rant. Carry on.
@@ericboucher799 lol 😆 no worries
Maybe Igor is only familiar with the communistic approach instead of the democratic, freedom of opinion and speech interaction. Ukraine was a part of Russia before, maybe the communistic behavior lingers.
yeah, back in 18th century it was part of Russia... Communism didn't exist yet.
You are confusing Russia with the USSR.
USSR consisted of 15 countries.
@@Shape890 Part of the USSR which later bacame Russia. Russia is still trying to return to its USSR status, though.
@@phenomtyree RSFSR was the part of the USSR.
Ukrainian SSR was also part of USSR. It doesn't mean it was a part of Russia.
Both were parth of USSR.
@@Shape890you're replying to ignorant dumbbell. He has no space in his head for additional knowledge. Don't even try :)
@@Shape890 My point is that Russia wants Ukraine back just like the old USSR which had communist values.
To everyone who keeps complaining about the timing of this video: you're all being very hypocritical. If you're so concerned about the timing of someone's reaction, then every single one of you will now have to ask a reviewer, or anyone else, what's going on in their lives, if there are any extenuating circumstances, before you lambast them, ridicule them, chastise them, or unsubscribe from their channel. I'm confident those of you who are complaining about timing here never took one moment to ask about timing when you unsubbed from a channel or got on the dump train on someone on Reddit or another forum.
It is also clear that most of you saying the timing is off haven't actually thought about it from anyone else's perspective than your own. Having been given many chances to stop, and being told again in the posts before this video was uploaded, Igor still kept doing his nonsense. I mean, he was in a war zone then too, and still kept at it. You guys don't seem to consider that. And you also don't seem to consider that warnings have to transform into real action or they mean nothing. Actually...yes you do. You all know that to be the case, but in THIS case you are choosing not to.
It's patently shameful for some of you to complain about the timing--while still agreeing with the content or the overall message--because you've never cared about timing before. You just want to care now. This will have absolutely no bearing on the war, and does absolutely nothing to harm Igor. But what about the harm he's caused to others over his racism, and the way he treated customers and STILL continues to?
Hypocritical is what you all are. When this reviewer lambasted other companies, nobody whined about timing. Now that the war matters to you in one way or another, it should matter to everyone, and that should prevent people from speaking their minds? That argument will eventually come back to bite you later, and I hope you all get to experience it.
@@Joel-m777 Yes you have a right to your point of view as everyone else. But grinding away at timing as the basis for criticism is not remotely fair. You and I can agree on content, but you have the right to complain I shouldn't speak my mind when I want to? That's what the whole timing thing is. It's basically telling someone to keep quiet because others don't feel like it's the right time.
The problem with that position is that it fundamentally undercuts your own points. If we have a right to speech as you say, then that includes a right to speak when we think it necessary or relevant or important. You don't think that's connected? How can you disassociate the right to speak from the time you get to speak?
And if you can justify separating the two, then you're forcing others to adopt your strict code--and one that I'm skeptical you've or anyone else here has ever applied before or will apply again.
What really bothers me about this type of argument is that I've seen it before. This is the type of rhetoric that was applied whenever a country was at war--Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. There's always a war, and there's always people saying you can't be critical of X or Y because we're at war. A mere glance through American history will show how often people were told to not confront something because it was not the right time--only to make things worse later.
As for your comment about what Igor and I do, that's a pretty lame statement, and you know it. That man is an open racist, threatens people whenever he feels like it, clearly lies about his company and product, and has shown no actual remorse for the unambiguously offensive things he's done and said. You think telling you and others here that you're being hypocritical and shamefully duplicitous in your arguments as the same as Igor's vulgar actions?
If that's the case, then you're as guilty of what you suggest I am. You just dress your words up a little nicer, but the implications are the same.
Food for thought. You've made many comments here, and while you've always been respectful, you've also been pushing a view that you think should be agreed to. At some point don't you just have to follow your own advice and let others speak their mind?
I agree with you 100% . Too many people fall over themselves trying to find something to bitch, moan and complain about and being insulted on behalf of others. I dont care about the timing, thats not what this video is about. Of course its a terrible situation in the Ukraine, we can all agree. But Igor himself finds time to debate this topic fiercly, so i don´t see how you are at fault here. I think you are doing the audiophile community a service bringing this mans shady pratices and outright shocking behaviour to light.
Uh oh gloves off
You are such a drama queen! You take things too personal.
Okie dokie. You go ahead and believe that, and I’ll continue to bash on awful companies like Verum.
@@NoThemeReviews try to review more and to bash less
Hey man, how about you financially contribute to the channel before you start making demands? Who do you think is paying for all my gear , my time and my efforts? If your name isn’t on the check, I don’t think you have much to lecture me for.
@@NoThemeReviews your attitudes and response towards those who give you negative feedback look very similar to Verum's that towards those who give their headphones negative feedback.
@@NoThemeReviews Again, you take things too personally. Your channel name is NTR, not NTB. Is this rant/bashing paying for all your gear?
BTW I don't know Verum guy, but your attitude is not a good one, asking money for making demands??? wtf?! I just comment on your video I have no demands.
At first I really liked your videos, I was one of your first subscribers
I wish you a good day and peace!
Sounds like Igor needs to change professions and go in to being a used car salesman.
Hey dude, are you the fella I saw guest with WSP many, many moons ago? Think I saw you guys play "Orange Blossom Special."
Thanks!
@@r00s. that was me. Many moons ago.
@@fiddlix Awesome! Hope you are doing well, sir. Greetings from Charleston!
BTW, what are some of your favorite headphones? Cheers!
@@r00s. I remember playing the Charleston Blues festival with WSP. Derek Trucks was sitting in with WSP too. He must have 16 or so at the time. Those were inspiring times.
You do have reason for your negative position and conclusion. However that is no excuse for the timing of the release of this update video. Don't kick someone while they are down and possibly out for good, not only is it discourteous it is also unethical, malicious, cowardly and lacks empathy. You failed to recognize the current situation and choose to be petty, truly disappointing. Bad form, rise above.
I'm sorry you're disappointed. I was disappointed with Igor when he chose to violate the agreement we had from last year when he promised to change his ways. I gave him multiple warnings, including in the hours leading up to this video. He made his decision, and I made mine. And, he made his decision under the same circumstances.
The bottom line is this: I warned him last year, continued to warn him over the subsequent months, tried to explain many times why his behavior was not acceptable, gave him plenty of chances hours before this video, and he continued to step over the line. You can disagree with my decision, and I'm sorry you feel I've fallen. Actions have consequences, and I gave him more chances than any other person/company in the past.
@@NoThemeReviews All justifiable reasons for the making of the video, just not the timing of its release. There was no urgent need to warn anyone, he's not manufacturing or selling his product, because of the WAR, so it serves no purpose currently. You were/are angry that he didn't heed your warnings and he failed multiple times to address your concerns, nor did he concede and make any attempt to make amends, (as you describe). Understood, but timing is everything, and your continued defense of that fact is callous and unrepentant.
You and I can go in circles all day. I have nothing to be repentant for. You say it’s bad timing, I say it’s not. Now what? Either you keep arguing a position I won’t concede because I believe you are wrong, or you can move on. And if this is your hill to to make a stand, then please apply this same concern about “timing” when in the future you feel like you want to critique anyone. Make sure you’re not about to offend that person because of struggles they might be facing. Take your argument the full length of the field.
Taking offense for timing of what needed to be said is a fairly unconvincing argument. What YOU or someone else would have done is noted. Thanks for the input. Now please accept my rejection of it.
@@NoThemeReviews You haven't rejected my input, hence the replies. You just don't concur and are being incorrigible. Fine, we disagree on the issue of timing, whether you believe it a convincing argument or not is inconsequential, for it patently is. Enough said on the matter, done and done.
@@kontrolenthusiast1099 Yeah, in your world view. You keep to your selective idea of what is appropriate and I’ll continue to be consistent. If I ever see you criticizing anyone or anything before assessing their personal issues, I will definitely remind you of your arguments here.
Ppl saying the dude should get a pass for being an asshole because of the war. That's hella stupid
You said nothing wrong
Agree
i accept the verum one on giveaway!! :p
Lol. Ain’t gonna be from me
@@NoThemeReviews haha if you dont like it i accept it!! :p
Igor is nuckin futs man
Hi brother
What is the best headphone have best imaging with best foot steps and good sound stage around 350$
Thanks 🙏🏼
Sundara is a good place to start.
@@jeremywilliam79 im not new in headphones to start
I have more than 15 headphone and headset
But i want better imaging and details and foot steps headphone with 300$ or 350$
Thanks bro
Austrian Audio Hi-X15, X25BT, X55
@@NoThemeReviews i have 25bt but its good imaging but sound stage not good
I want slightly more better sound stage and imaging than 25bt
Hmm. Try the X55. Other than that, I think it’ll be a bit difficult to find what you want. Maybe the Avantone Planar?
Igor needs to grow a skin and learn to take criticism. He is clearly a very talented designer with an excellent product, but it's not a perfect product and the headband and QC could both be improved. If his outbursts were a recent thing they would be understandable given the terrible events in Ukraine but he has been a complete ass since day one. And his terms and conditions are a joke. Given that there's no shortage of excellent headphones with none of the baggage and in many cases straightforward return and warranty policies I really can't see a good reason to buy from Verum
In my subjective opinion, those headphones are ugly as hell. What the hell is that design?