Hi from India! Honestly, comparing my Innova vs my friend’s Fortuner, forget comparing the Alphard, the Innova is just more practical if you don’t need to off-road. The third row feels much better, second row with captain’s chairs has a bargain luxury feel to it, and boot space with third row down is wonderful! The Innova is viewed as the ultimate highway cruiser and touring car here in India, I’m not sure I can say that about the Fortuner.
I say Innova Crysta if you want both Minivan-ish height and comfort with a rigidity of an SUV like the Toyota Fortuner... India and here in the Philippines almost have the same market and taste of Toyota Consumers 👍👍
@@jululugz2893 unfortunately not. I think a few years back they tried to clear their old stock globally by bringing the old model to our market, but it was dead on arrival due to a price tag of 3.8M Philippine Pesos (55 Lakh Rupees here in India) - I do wish they brought the new model to India, especially the Granvia, but knowing Toyota they would probably price it ridiculously :(
yup, down the years it's always been Innova vs Car x,y,z Innova is always the gold standard in which most new cars close to its segment is compared to.
Practicality being the keyword...get an MPV. It is the sweetspot, if you will, of versatility and space. Could be a classic MPV (e.g. Ertiga) or a Crossover MPV (e.g. Okavango). Then again it's tricky. Because for me, as you go beyond the MPV "size" segment, practicality dwindles little by little. First thing that goes - price. SUVs and minivans are expensive. Then there's maintenance. It's simple - the bigger the car, the harder it is to maintain. Just keeping them clean for example is daunting. Then there's parking in tighter spaces. But between the two? Interesting. A van, even a minivan, is an impractical daily driver, unless you are hauling 7 - 10+ people daily (e.g. a shuttle service). In that sense, an SUV makes more sense. If you need PASSENGER space though, well, the minivan. It's a toss up really, depending on what you really need, on a daily basis.
Minivan vs SUV is your perfect comparo when it comes to choosing the best family car but there's another segment where you can find your middle ground but you have to compromise like the features, space and sometimes tech. I'm always a fan of SUV due to their versatility and if my wallet allows me, I'm definitely getting one.
When they can't explain the practical difference between the suspension types and how it actually performs, media people just directly points to the chassis difference, either being monocoque or ladder frame. But then, if you try to quantify the difference, it's not that much. You see, a nicely tuned SUV will ride not as worse as the automotive industry would like you to think. You'd have to go to the extremes to even show the "practical difference". Like comparing a HiAce Commuter with a Carnival. One designed specifically to haul, the other designed to chauffer. On bumpy roads, you'd wish to have an SUV with longer suspension travel. Problem with monocoque chassis vehicles usually, they have shorter suspension travel simply because they usually have lower ground clearance. They also have narrower wheel articulation. On fine roads, they're heaven. But introduce some bumpy, edsa-worthy roads, and you'll be shaken as well. SUVs with nicely tuned suspension usually have longer suspension travel. The separation between the ladder frame and the body cushions you as well sa shorter frequency bumps. Might not handle as good as a monocoque chassis because they have higher center of gravity, but on average use, you'd have to nitpick to feel the difference. Here's the thing. Based on actual experience, it's far better to ride in a pickup based SUV around EDSA. Compared to CUV's, I don't feel as much of the road unevenness sa pickup based SUV's. Actually, having driven 15 years sa EDSA with different kinds and classes of vehicles, you'd really have to go to the extremes to even differentiate night and day. Haba ng comment ko, pero the short-gist is, ang cringey kasi when automotive media points out to stereotypes to explain the difference. There's more to it than just chassis.
Alam mo same observation tayo. Lumaki ako sa likod ng first gen fortuner at alam naman natin na hindi mo mababanggit sa isang sentence ang "fortuner"at "comfort" in a good way. So naexcite ako nung bumili father ko ng santa fe. Nadala rin ako ng maraming nagsasabi na mas comfortable ang crossover kesa sa body on frame. Laking gulat ko nung natigasan ako sa suspension ng santa fe. Even my sister who dont care about cars eh yun ang una niyang sinabi "Matagtag siya". Cant believe it myself pero i prefer yung suspension ng fortuner compared sa santa fe lalo sa provincial roads. Santa fe handles much better than the fortuner though. Magaan siya dalhin unlike the cumbersome fortuner.
Here's a thought, in the spirit of "buwan ng wika"..would it be possible for a behind the wheel/behind a desk or first impression review in Filipino? hehehehe
It's much more practical to own an innova or a sedan(small family) or even an Okavango or crossover. But people tend to lean on SUVs, because the road here in ph is a nuisance, especially in provincial roads. Ex. If you're going 100kph then suddenly at night there are a handful of pot holes, those cars that I mentioned above would probably take it fairly but worst case scenario an accident but if you have an SUV it would feel jumpy haha but at least it's controlled and less risky. Imo
@@GloomGaiGar yeah even in highways there are plot holes fyi, I've been to the north of luzon and the south you'll be amaze how many pot holes are there in highways lol
Hello, AutoDeal and sir Caco! I would just wanna ask if you will review the Suzuki Ertiga (Upgraded) anytime soon if there are major/minor changes overall? Thank you and God bless po!
Kung may matanda sa Family Lolo or Lola mas prefer nila gamitin ang Van dahil madali sila makasampa. Si Lola ko hirap sa SUV ayaw nya kahit binubuhat ko 😅 depende yan sa sasakay at dinadaanan.. SUV naman medyo kampante ka sa mga biglang pagbaha at lubak lubak na daan.
Hi Caco, hope you can tackle on your next video, what should be the right fuel for both gasoline and diesel engines, with and without turbo system? Ex. For Innova Turbo AT, is it okay to use regular Diesel fuel or it should use a Turbo Diesel fuel and what are the repercussions if we do not use the proper fuel four vehicles? Thank you!
Well since it's already in our nature,.In buying loads of cars weather four door cars or a five door that won't already be an issue If your garage can fit four to five (4/6) cars Namely two sedans,.One compact and full size,a pick up truck,an SUV nor auv or of course a van weather,,..Its compact or as well as a full size Because,.You could also buy one for each category! You are looking for too So your worries,.Are already answered! On this video OF BEHIND THE DESK 😉
Eyy if it's not 4x4 why buy an suv its funny how filipinos force themselves to buy an suv to look rich but one look in the brand of tires you will know they aren't. I think mpv and vans is where it's at and you don't have to shell out 10k a pot for tires for a branded one.
Pretty sure they buy SUVs because of flooding and it's better protected from the deeper potholes that would otherwise damage a van. Nice try at being edgy though.
Minivan hands down, duh. Why would you want an SUV to haul the family? Especially the pick up truck with ladder frame. That's only used to haul produce, plantation, mining stuff
@@GloomGaiGar the fact is they never go through floods and terrible roads. If they do, they don't haul the family anyway. For most part, get an SUV monocoque is more than enough
Blah all that talk and you forgot to tell the world which is the BEST VEHICLE! Of course im talking about Honda CR-V 5th Gen! It has all the best features of the Minivan + SUV and very few of the negatives. For starters that 1.6 turbodiesel beats all in economy, next are those tech comforts that honda sensing provides. The only thing you need to install after buying one are dashcams then you're off to great adventures in driving. This opinion will change though when nissan makes a people hauler (7 seater or more) version of their new kicks epower...
@@NR63917 but it's a big factor, get this. Kung ikaw ano pipiliin you look dumb and bad and comfortable or you look cool and confident but slightly not comfortable. I say the latter hahaha the self image of ourselves is very important, same thing goes for our precious things hahaha
@@migv_8518 ngek, self image nga e. Yun yung iniimagine natin sa utak natin, hindi yung physical na nakikita natin sa salamain. Yung sinasabi mo perspective nang ibang tao naman e hahahaha. Hypocrite lng magsasabi na ayaw nya na mas maporma o confident siya tignan lol
Hi from India! Honestly, comparing my Innova vs my friend’s Fortuner, forget comparing the Alphard, the Innova is just more practical if you don’t need to off-road. The third row feels much better, second row with captain’s chairs has a bargain luxury feel to it, and boot space with third row down is wonderful! The Innova is viewed as the ultimate highway cruiser and touring car here in India, I’m not sure I can say that about the Fortuner.
Is the toyota hiace (latest model with front hood/bonnet) for sale in your country?
I say Innova Crysta if you want both
Minivan-ish height and comfort with a rigidity of an SUV like the Toyota Fortuner... India and here in the Philippines almost have the same market and taste of Toyota Consumers 👍👍
@@jululugz2893 unfortunately not. I think a few years back they tried to clear their old stock globally by bringing the old model to our market, but it was dead on arrival due to a price tag of 3.8M Philippine Pesos (55 Lakh Rupees here in India) - I do wish they brought the new model to India, especially the Granvia, but knowing Toyota they would probably price it ridiculously :(
True, the innova's third row is better than most bigger suv's like the fortuner, mux, montero and terra.
yup, down the years it's always been Innova vs Car x,y,z
Innova is always the gold standard in which most new cars close to its segment is compared to.
Practicality being the keyword...get an MPV. It is the sweetspot, if you will, of versatility and space. Could be a classic MPV (e.g. Ertiga) or a Crossover MPV (e.g. Okavango).
Then again it's tricky. Because for me, as you go beyond the MPV "size" segment, practicality dwindles little by little. First thing that goes - price. SUVs and minivans are expensive. Then there's maintenance. It's simple - the bigger the car, the harder it is to maintain. Just keeping them clean for example is daunting. Then there's parking in tighter spaces.
But between the two? Interesting. A van, even a minivan, is an impractical daily driver, unless you are hauling 7 - 10+ people daily (e.g. a shuttle service). In that sense, an SUV makes more sense. If you need PASSENGER space though, well, the minivan.
It's a toss up really, depending on what you really need, on a daily basis.
Minivan vs SUV is your perfect comparo when it comes to choosing the best family car but there's another segment where you can find your middle ground but you have to compromise like the features, space and sometimes tech. I'm always a fan of SUV due to their versatility and if my wallet allows me, I'm definitely getting one.
This is why the lnnova takes the sweet spot, on size, ride and reliability.
That's what she said.
When they can't explain the practical difference between the suspension types and how it actually performs, media people just directly points to the chassis difference, either being monocoque or ladder frame.
But then, if you try to quantify the difference, it's not that much. You see, a nicely tuned SUV will ride not as worse as the automotive industry would like you to think. You'd have to go to the extremes to even show the "practical difference". Like comparing a HiAce Commuter with a Carnival. One designed specifically to haul, the other designed to chauffer.
On bumpy roads, you'd wish to have an SUV with longer suspension travel. Problem with monocoque chassis vehicles usually, they have shorter suspension travel simply because they usually have lower ground clearance. They also have narrower wheel articulation. On fine roads, they're heaven. But introduce some bumpy, edsa-worthy roads, and you'll be shaken as well.
SUVs with nicely tuned suspension usually have longer suspension travel. The separation between the ladder frame and the body cushions you as well sa shorter frequency bumps. Might not handle as good as a monocoque chassis because they have higher center of gravity, but on average use, you'd have to nitpick to feel the difference.
Here's the thing. Based on actual experience, it's far better to ride in a pickup based SUV around EDSA. Compared to CUV's, I don't feel as much of the road unevenness sa pickup based SUV's. Actually, having driven 15 years sa EDSA with different kinds and classes of vehicles, you'd really have to go to the extremes to even differentiate night and day.
Haba ng comment ko, pero the short-gist is, ang cringey kasi when automotive media points out to stereotypes to explain the difference. There's more to it than just chassis.
Alam mo same observation tayo. Lumaki ako sa likod ng first gen fortuner at alam naman natin na hindi mo mababanggit sa isang sentence ang "fortuner"at "comfort" in a good way. So naexcite ako nung bumili father ko ng santa fe. Nadala rin ako ng maraming nagsasabi na mas comfortable ang crossover kesa sa body on frame. Laking gulat ko nung natigasan ako sa suspension ng santa fe. Even my sister who dont care about cars eh yun ang una niyang sinabi "Matagtag siya". Cant believe it myself pero i prefer yung suspension ng fortuner compared sa santa fe lalo sa provincial roads. Santa fe handles much better than the fortuner though. Magaan siya dalhin unlike the cumbersome fortuner.
When someone is trying to debate vs two different things in the end it comes down to the word "its up to you".
same
MPVs or vans are more comfy, though if you want something heavy duty, get a PPV.
Here's a thought, in the spirit of "buwan ng wika"..would it be possible for a behind the wheel/behind a desk or first impression review in Filipino? hehehehe
Agree
Hey man, your idea is a pretty darn good✌️🤣
hope to see more of this info style videos,,,keep it up
It's much more practical to own an innova or a sedan(small family) or even an Okavango or crossover. But people tend to lean on SUVs, because the road here in ph is a nuisance, especially in provincial roads. Ex. If you're going 100kph then suddenly at night there are a handful of pot holes, those cars that I mentioned above would probably take it fairly but worst case scenario an accident but if you have an SUV it would feel jumpy haha but at least it's controlled and less risky. Imo
The only place you are allowed to go 100kp is on the highway fyi.
@@GloomGaiGar yeah even in highways there are plot holes fyi, I've been to the north of luzon and the south you'll be amaze how many pot holes are there in highways lol
Often overlooked is the high cargo load height of SUVs. I’m tall but find SUV’s cargo floors too high.
Which category does the Subaru Evoltis fall under?
Na try nyo na po ba mag apply ng SANGLA ORCR sa Global dominion Financing Incorporated?
If I have the extra money, I'll go with Minivan like Odyssey or Carnival.
Hello, AutoDeal and sir Caco!
I would just wanna ask if you will review the Suzuki Ertiga (Upgraded) anytime soon if there are major/minor changes overall?
Thank you and God bless po!
Kung may matanda sa Family Lolo or Lola mas prefer nila gamitin ang Van dahil madali sila makasampa. Si Lola ko hirap sa SUV ayaw nya kahit binubuhat ko 😅 depende yan sa sasakay at dinadaanan.. SUV naman medyo kampante ka sa mga biglang pagbaha at lubak lubak na daan.
hi sir i would like to see a Hyundai Staria Review ..
they only review officially released cars. All Starias right now are gray imports.
5:16 Which Mini-Van was that?
Hi Caco, hope you can tackle on your next video, what should be the right fuel for both gasoline and diesel engines, with and without turbo system? Ex. For Innova Turbo AT, is it okay to use regular Diesel fuel or it should use a Turbo Diesel fuel and what are the repercussions if we do not use the proper fuel four vehicles? Thank you!
How about the pick-up sulit ba ang pick-up or hindi or suv lang talaga ang bagay sa off-road
Comparo of the mini vans mentioned
Better get a midsize crossover, you get the best of both worlds. Unibody platform comfort and looks like an SUV.
Hoping for the toyota Voxy here in PH, good minivan contender.
For those who haul the elderly around, it has to be minivan.
SUV for me (Montero owner here). Van for my fam. (but later on ..)
Nice and informative 🤔👍
Hi!!!! I’m planning to get this New Toyota Rush GRS please make a video about this new Rush Grs! 👌🏻
Why not bring the mitsubishi d:5 in the philippines. A van and an suv.
Hey autodeal, thoughts on FORTUNER 2023
I prefer SUV aside from specs its because SUV can go to floods.
Depends how often you encounter floods and if you dare ford them. Why choose a car for a relatively rare event that it will be useful?
Well since it's already in our nature,.In buying loads of cars weather four door cars or a five door that won't already be an issue
If your garage can fit four to five (4/6) cars
Namely two sedans,.One compact and full size,a pick up truck,an SUV nor auv or of course a van weather,,..Its compact or as well as a full size
Because,.You could also buy one for each category! You are looking for too
So your worries,.Are already answered! On this video
OF BEHIND THE DESK 😉
Which is better but at the end of the video, its up to you? ....
Eyy if it's not 4x4 why buy an suv its funny how filipinos force themselves to buy an suv to look rich but one look in the brand of tires you will know they aren't. I think mpv and vans is where it's at and you don't have to shell out 10k a pot for tires for a branded one.
So what type of vehicle do you have...and what brand of tires on it...tell us...
Pretty sure they buy SUVs because of flooding and it's better protected from the deeper potholes that would otherwise damage a van. Nice try at being edgy though.
Estate Wagons is the answer
miniVan basta may driver 😂 at may budget usually malakas sa Gas ...SuV basta self driven and baha-in ang lugar
You're looking for a Mitsubishi Delica! 🤣
The minivan is always the answer. Its just that no one wants them
@6:36 the wheels look like cartoons lol
Minivan hands down, duh. Why would you want an SUV to haul the family? Especially the pick up truck with ladder frame. That's only used to haul produce, plantation, mining stuff
Guessing you never deal with floods and terrible roads then?
@@GloomGaiGar the fact is they never go through floods and terrible roads. If they do, they don't haul the family anyway. For most part, get an SUV monocoque is more than enough
Sir caco pa shawt awt!!!
Minivan dahil pwde ka lang tumira sa loob pwede making camper
Compromised parking space, brand new SUVs street parking hahaha.
If safety is very important to you, then SUV will be the better choice.
toyota nid to bring in noah/voxy to PH market. alphard is too expensive
hiace?
A 5seater is more than enough for s family unkess you have many wife 😀
yaya?
Alphard are better
staria, FL palisade and carnival G.U.V. is much better than overpriced alpine.... i mean alphard
It depends on your budget. SUV is safer compared to a minivan.
Get both! Lol
Blah all that talk and you forgot to tell the world which is the BEST VEHICLE! Of course im talking about Honda CR-V 5th Gen! It has all the best features of the Minivan + SUV and very few of the negatives. For starters that 1.6 turbodiesel beats all in economy, next are those tech comforts that honda sensing provides. The only thing you need to install after buying one are dashcams then you're off to great adventures in driving. This opinion will change though when nissan makes a people hauler (7 seater or more) version of their new kicks epower...
Nissan already have it - a mini van styled Nissan Serena with ePower offered in Singapore
agree sa 7 seater na kicks epower. Kahit presyong SUV pa yan, yun ung bibilhin ko next year.
You mean Toyota Innova.
Bye bye odyssey
carnival G.U.V. and staria number one minivans in the country
Boils down to once preference. Lots of wasted talk - too much.
suv mas pogi 😂
Not the point here
@@NR63917 but it's a big factor, get this. Kung ikaw ano pipiliin you look dumb and bad and comfortable or you look cool and confident but slightly not comfortable. I say the latter hahaha the self image of ourselves is very important, same thing goes for our precious things hahaha
@@NR63917 beside mas mahal pa yung isa na hahahaha
@@zachfox1027 basically if your self-image is based on what others think about you more than what you think about yourself
@@migv_8518 ngek, self image nga e. Yun yung iniimagine natin sa utak natin, hindi yung physical na nakikita natin sa salamain. Yung sinasabi mo perspective nang ibang tao naman e hahahaha. Hypocrite lng magsasabi na ayaw nya na mas maporma o confident siya tignan lol
Na try nyo na po ba mag apply ng SANGLA ORCR sa Global dominion Financing Incorporated?