Ok hear me out. EMC cadence writing contest part 2. Also I think I'd love to see this in a series. I occasionally write for percussion and bands as a whole and this gives me great advice.
basses plz. I feel like a lot of schools just overlook basses when it comes to writing it and it makes it very boring for the students to play. Also just poor writing in general.
As a non-tenor player, I do my best and then let the tenors players change what they want to make it work within the context of the original writing. They often do a better job than I do once they get a feel for it.
Honestly this is a great approach and there's nothing wrong with letting your quad players change parts so long as the skeleton of what you wrote is still there to fit with the rest of the ensemble.
@@bobbarksofficial4335 this year only one of my quads has the skills required to feel out better parts, so I won't get to hand it off to them this year, but hopefully next year theyll get to take a lot more liberties with their parts.
I am sucky at writing for tenors but I tried to write a cadence and now I’m writing for a horror movie (composing) so this is gonna help… I think🤔. Anyways so far a minute it very good and interesting thx emc. I can learn more from hear than in school. ( HA take that school System)
Except ofcourse word order, and spelling. You still need school for both of those. Ellipses, capitals, punctuation, basic spelling, and probably reading comprehension are all things you'll need to improve.
So, for most of you, you are focused on the suggestions on the tenor writing ... I am instead so happy to see the licks recorded at the Albert Einstein bronze sculpture at 22st NW and Constitution Ave NW. Why? Because Eric was nice enough to come here to appease me! Parking was a bit difficult, but we made it work with the Tiny Tenors and the Spockenspeil. Several people enjoyed watching Eric play. Also, there is a Geocache there: GC1B64. Stop by if you are ever in DC!
7:42 This is so quick to fix, you can make every stem on a staff automatically point in a certain direction. Staff Tool -> Staff (the menu option) -> Edit Staff Attributes -> Stem Settings... -> ⦿ Always Up -> OK. (there are a few other ways to reach this option, but this is the simplest to describe in text form.)
I marched snare drum at Music City Mystique in the early 2000's.. so I am a snare drummer by nature. That being said, when writing tenor parts I always play them to make sure that they feel comfortable when executed properly. (Example, no pushes - example 4 16ths on drum 1 and the downbeat of the next beat on drum 4. This is attainable with a crossover but it needs to be notated as such and you need to think forward as to how the parts are going to flow going forward in the music. And always write stickings. Those are my biggest tips. Along with play the parts before you send the music off to check for any awkward feeling parts, and these can often be fixed with just moving a few notes to other drums. Good luck in all your endeavors!
Thank you! It's not just tenors (although they're the most obvious)! I would say a series is in order for ALL marching percussion. It's very, VERY easy to tell when battery parts have been written by composers without battery experience.
I play trumpet in a marching band and I’ve always had respect for tenor drums ( and everyone else!) but I didn’t know it was this hard! Subbing immediately
It's so satisfying to watch him demonstrate all the different optional sequences, and it's a great learning opportunity for anyone trying to get into battery writing. Definitely support the idea to turn it into a series!
yeah at 2:15, this is my first year on tenors, i've only been playing for a few months now so it was kind of weird to me. they wanted that buzz on spock for the full quarter note staright in to the crossover.
I've only written once cadence, but did tenors for a couple years. As I was writing it, I just thought - would I want to play this? I also played bass for 4 years - the bass part is, um, complex, lol. This was a great video, and I'll defiantly be utilizing the advice.
This made me want to go back into drum parts I wrote 3 years ago and fix them. This thought me a lot about drum notation I didn't know. Also, props to the guy that sent in his own stuff, that was cool.
All this about “sticking” and “crossovers” reminds me of making stepcharts for Stepmania-basically the pattern of arrows on a DDR level. We care a lot about the foot alternation flowing well, and we actually use the term “crossover” for patterns where you cross your feet over, like ⬅️⬇️➡️⬇️⬅️.
You can add a shortcut for Sticking -- Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts > *search Sticking bottom mid-right* > Define... I use ctrl + alt + s. Most everything else is already assigned.
My music was actually written by a quad Alumni from Phantom Regiment. Needless to say it’s still pretty awkward in some spots and there aren’t any stickings written in.
Hello this is the drum instructor. You are in big trouble for not liking my music Nathanael. I spent many hours putting this together and this was my life’s work. I am moving you to marching glockenspiel tomorrow for the rest of the season. Thank you for perfectly playing my music Mr. Carr
TO FIX QUAD AND BASS PARTS IN FINALE! ctrl-k, click "instrument list" select quad/bass part, then next to staff (bottom right) click drop down, select "other." The staff setup window appears. 3rd from bottom on the right is "stem reversal" set that to '0' and your stems on 2-4 will always be up, only 1 and the spocks will be down, and the down stems will not cross the bottom staff.
Your videos helped me realize I wasn’t bad at tenors I just got music written by non percussionists which are more difficult than any other form of music
I'm going to try and play tenors this upcoming indoor percussion season, I am normally a trumpet player but I have always thought it would be cool to play tenors. Its unlikely I'll play tenors but rather be placed on bass, but I am going to try.
It was my second time in 2 years in DC! Both times to see Eric in The Commandant's Own! (Actually, I did come through once with my husband on a vacation between Williamsburg and my Mom's house in Ohio ... driving in 2015. He has since passed away ... His Harley riding name was RedDog.
Funny, the tenor guy on our line is like ride and die kit player. Death metal, thrash, full force blast beats, that kind of stuff-but he’s also killer on tenors. A little interesting
Our drum tech told me and the other tenor player that he sucks at writing tenor music and to tell him to rewrite it if needed. Nice that he was so humble and he didn’t write it that bad
I saw how the straight eights weren’t paradiddled in the thumbnail and had flashbacks to our band director making us do impossible crossovers thinking it looked cool
For me, I tend to learn parts for the rhythm first, then start making the accents pop and getting dynamics where they need to be. As long as you can hit the correct drums, you can worry about how you're hitting them later.
Wish I'd seen the post for this before. I'd have sent what I've written in. Glad I didn't see it pop up from my student though.... I know he watches these.
I play drum kit so i dont have to deal with those sort of issues and my school does not have a Drumline or marching band we have 2 concert bands, 1 big band, and several rock bands
Hey, EMC. I’m currently a high school student who is looking forward to joining the Drumline. I was wondering if there was a way to turn a generic con. snare sound like a marching snare. Is there a way you could turn that into a video or something?
Given the natural speed of tenor drums, I'm honestly shocked you don't hear them in metal. I know Slipknot's percussionists use marching snare, but I don't think they've used tenors
Did you ever define what a “push” is for non tenor drummers? If so I missed it. If not then I think that could help a lot of people trying to write for Tenors.
A “push” is when you the written music doesn’t allow for proper flow between the hands and drums themselves, forcing your arms to move very quickly in order to move them to the next drum. They always feel very awkward and look awkward too. An example of a push is 4 hits of alternating sticking (RLRL) on drum 1 (second most right drum) followed by 4 hits of alternating sticking on drum 2 (second most left drum). The left hand being on drum 1 prevents the right hand from moving to drum 2 efficiently which as a result, gets forced to move very quickly and requires the entire arm to move in a very small amount of time. This can be solved by changing the sticking to paradiddles (RLRR LRLL) to allow for the left hand to move out of the right hand’s way and give more time between hand movements.
I'm thinking about turning this into a series. Maybe even covering other percussion instruments. What do you think?
Think that would be cool. I play Mello but I still find your stuff cool. Hope you are doing well. 😁
Ok hear me out. EMC cadence writing contest part 2. Also I think I'd love to see this in a series. I occasionally write for percussion and bands as a whole and this gives me great advice.
I'd love it
basses plz. I feel like a lot of schools just overlook basses when it comes to writing it and it makes it very boring for the students to play. Also just poor writing in general.
Please do
As a non-tenor player, I do my best and then let the tenors players change what they want to make it work within the context of the original writing. They often do a better job than I do once they get a feel for it.
Honestly this is a great approach and there's nothing wrong with letting your quad players change parts so long as the skeleton of what you wrote is still there to fit with the rest of the ensemble.
@@SeanLaMontagne that's what my tech does too
@@bobbarksofficial4335 this year only one of my quads has the skills required to feel out better parts, so I won't get to hand it off to them this year, but hopefully next year theyll get to take a lot more liberties with their parts.
@@SeanLaMontagne mmm
I am sucky at writing for tenors but I tried to write a cadence and now I’m writing for a horror movie (composing) so this is gonna help… I think🤔. Anyways so far a minute it very good and interesting thx emc. I can learn more from hear than in school. ( HA take that school System)
Which one?
Congratulations
@@ATLDRUMACADEMY wait your the people with the really good kid drum line wow hello
@@jackthecommenter2768 hellooo there
Except ofcourse word order, and spelling.
You still need school for both of those.
Ellipses, capitals, punctuation, basic spelling, and probably reading comprehension are all things you'll need to improve.
I'm going to need a full tenor cover of Toxicity, please and thank you.
I didn't realize until I read your comment!
Like
By system of a down?
So, for most of you, you are focused on the suggestions on the tenor writing ... I am instead so happy to see the licks recorded at the Albert Einstein bronze sculpture at 22st NW and Constitution Ave NW. Why? Because Eric was nice enough to come here to appease me! Parking was a bit difficult, but we made it work with the Tiny Tenors and the Spockenspeil. Several people enjoyed watching Eric play. Also, there is a Geocache there: GC1B64. Stop by if you are ever in DC!
And here I was wondering just how he managed on the Metro with those drums!
A little over a week ago, my marching band was in DC for a parade. I noticed the statue and immediately recognized it from this video. Enjoy your day!
Doesn’t Eric live in the DC area?
This is the kind of video I think a lot of people needed. Thank you!
here because i'm transcribing drums
7:42 This is so quick to fix, you can make every stem on a staff automatically point in a certain direction.
Staff Tool -> Staff (the menu option) -> Edit Staff Attributes -> Stem Settings... -> ⦿ Always Up -> OK.
(there are a few other ways to reach this option, but this is the simplest to describe in text form.)
Thanks, I also write on Finale. This helps a lot 👍
That’s how I’ve always done it.
Writing for tenors seems to be my worst downfall in battery writing, thanks for this lol
I marched snare drum at Music City Mystique in the early 2000's.. so I am a snare drummer by nature. That being said, when writing tenor parts I always play them to make sure that they feel comfortable when executed properly. (Example, no pushes - example 4 16ths on drum 1 and the downbeat of the next beat on drum 4. This is attainable with a crossover but it needs to be notated as such and you need to think forward as to how the parts are going to flow going forward in the music. And always write stickings. Those are my biggest tips. Along with play the parts before you send the music off to check for any awkward feeling parts, and these can often be fixed with just moving a few notes to other drums. Good luck in all your endeavors!
Thank you! It's not just tenors (although they're the most obvious)! I would say a series is in order for ALL marching percussion.
It's very, VERY easy to tell when battery parts have been written by composers without battery experience.
I play trumpet in a marching band and I’ve always had respect for tenor drums ( and everyone else!) but I didn’t know it was this hard! Subbing immediately
It's so satisfying to watch him demonstrate all the different optional sequences, and it's a great learning opportunity for anyone trying to get into battery writing. Definitely support the idea to turn it into a series!
this will help me as a front ensemble arranger who has been thrust into battery arranging inadvertently
yeah at 2:15, this is my first year on tenors, i've only been playing for a few months now so it was kind of weird to me. they wanted that buzz on spock for the full quarter note staright in to the crossover.
I've only written once cadence, but did tenors for a couple years. As I was writing it, I just thought - would I want to play this?
I also played bass for 4 years - the bass part is, um, complex, lol.
This was a great video, and I'll defiantly be utilizing the advice.
This made me want to go back into drum parts I wrote 3 years ago and fix them.
This thought me a lot about drum notation I didn't know.
Also, props to the guy that sent in his own stuff, that was cool.
All this about “sticking” and “crossovers” reminds me of making stepcharts for Stepmania-basically the pattern of arrows on a DDR level. We care a lot about the foot alternation flowing well, and we actually use the term “crossover” for patterns where you cross your feet over, like ⬅️⬇️➡️⬇️⬅️.
Eric, I’d be super interested if you did a video of Do’s and Dont’s for wind arrangers put in a position where they have to write battery parts.
You can add a shortcut for Sticking -- Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts > *search Sticking bottom mid-right* > Define...
I use ctrl + alt + s. Most everything else is already assigned.
My music was actually written by a quad Alumni from Phantom Regiment. Needless to say it’s still pretty awkward in some spots and there aren’t any stickings written in.
I would love this as a series
I'm the guy at 3:29. The music was written by our drum instructor and the part you chose was one of the least awkward
Hello this is the drum instructor. You are in big trouble for not liking my music Nathanael. I spent many hours putting this together and this was my life’s work. I am moving you to marching glockenspiel tomorrow for the rest of the season.
Thank you for perfectly playing my music Mr. Carr
@@melvina753 sad thing is that this is probably the response I'd get
0:11 the very left tenor player for blue stars is my assistant drumline director
*nice*
Tenor drumming is indeed an art and you never fail to make that apparent to me.
TO FIX QUAD AND BASS PARTS IN FINALE! ctrl-k, click "instrument list" select quad/bass part, then next to staff (bottom right) click drop down, select "other." The staff setup window appears. 3rd from bottom on the right is "stem reversal" set that to '0' and your stems on 2-4 will always be up, only 1 and the spocks will be down, and the down stems will not cross the bottom staff.
This is Adam Neely's "How to Not Suck at Music" series but for percussion.
This definitely needs to continue.
I played first trumpet in band but chilled and played with the tenors.
I still just stare blankly and drool looking at some of the shit you guys do.
Check that rhythm again at 2:23 😂😂
Everyone needed this, he is doing a favor, thank you
I liked the System of a Down at the end EMC
pianist here, this sheet music is hurting my brain.
Your videos helped me realize I wasn’t bad at tenors I just got music written by non percussionists which are more difficult than any other form of music
That one dislike was someone who was offended because they wrote a piece you fixed
Me, a saxophone player: "How did I get here?"
I’m voice. I’m lost as well.
Would love to see more of these! Great video 🤘
my marching band director was a quad player while in high school and again while he was at ucla.
I'm going to try and play tenors this upcoming indoor percussion season, I am normally a trumpet player but I have always thought it would be cool to play tenors. Its unlikely I'll play tenors but rather be placed on bass, but I am going to try.
Hope that trip to DC was fun!
It was my second time in 2 years in DC! Both times to see Eric in The Commandant's Own! (Actually, I did come through once with my husband on a vacation between Williamsburg and my Mom's house in Ohio ... driving in 2015. He has since passed away ... His Harley riding name was RedDog.
The composers for the my high school show music keep writing pushes and forget a lot of stickings 😔😣
Nice touch with toxicity at the end
good morning! love your videos eric!
Video 35 of commenting until EMC makes an entire battery percussion out of spocks and 8 inch splash cymbals
I'm officially in love with you!🎶🎵 Thank you for showing Tenors Love 💙💜 😘
when your fanbase is legit talented and can write rather solid licks
Funny, the tenor guy on our line is like ride and die kit player. Death metal, thrash, full force blast beats, that kind of stuff-but he’s also killer on tenors. A little interesting
@Emcproductions you should check out the Ohio University Marching 110 drumline. Very old school that uses timbales and tenors instead of tenors.
7:44 looks super cool and groovy . Who ever wrote it is super talented
Make this a series
that outro is chaotic.. i love it lol
I was considering sending in some of my marimba part as a joke but it looks like you got enough submissions
you and Stevie T should do a collab since your style of comedy is really similar. I bet you'd get along. Also quad djent would be fire
EMC: I'm playing it a little under-tempo because--well, I'm sightreading, okay?"
Also EMC: *plays the tenors more smoothly than I've ever seen before*
Man I should start submitting stuff when EMC requests it
I learned how to write for tenors after having to rewrite many unplayable parts I was given
Our drum tech told me and the other tenor player that he sucks at writing tenor music and to tell him to rewrite it if needed. Nice that he was so humble and he didn’t write it that bad
eric in front of an e=mc^2 is iconic
I saw how the straight eights weren’t paradiddled in the thumbnail and had flashbacks to our band director making us do impossible crossovers thinking it looked cool
Would love to see this continued as a series!
That third one was like a horror movie for tenor players. 😂
The Einstein statue looks so disappointed
I’m really having a hard time on the tenors do you have any tips
Start slow
practice
practice
practice
For me, I tend to learn parts for the rhythm first, then start making the accents pop and getting dynamics where they need to be. As long as you can hit the correct drums, you can worry about how you're hitting them later.
I usually play hard stuff on one drum first until I get the rhythm down then moving it around the drums is way easier
Play your rhythms on a single drum first, and then go around the drums
Now I want to see a 10/10
me trying to find EMC production on 9/11/21 on NBC live like👀👀
Tenor drum practice pad, why didn't I think of that?!!! OMG
Where can I order that from?????
God I love you Now!!!
I like how you were at Georgia Tech in front of Einstein 😂 @EMCproductions
Wish I'd seen the post for this before. I'd have sent what I've written in. Glad I didn't see it pop up from my student though.... I know he watches these.
Are you in Washington, DC? I recognize that Einstein statue.
Do a Part 2!!!
How did I watch this entire thing as a brass player?
WE CAN'T HEAR THE FIRE PLACE!
Please wrap those small tenors like sour cream and onion prints please I’m begging you
What do you put your tenor practice pad on? Do you have a stand? I have mine sitting on a table and would love a better option
Looks to me like a keyboard stand
I want to see you do the whole warm up packet to see if they're all as awkward
Are you going to grand nationals in Indianapolis this years EMC
I play drum kit so i dont have to deal with those sort of issues
and my school does not have a Drumline or marching band
we have 2 concert bands, 1 big band, and several rock bands
I loved the set up at theemd how many toms were there???
Anyone else notice toxicity by System of a Down at 11:46
*me who doesn't even play any drum*
I like your funny words magic man
You have a lot of little clever references in your quad solo transitions. Clever dude. Haha.
Hey, EMC. I’m currently a high school student who is looking forward to joining the Drumline. I was wondering if there was a way to turn a generic con. snare sound like a marching snare. Is there a way you could turn that into a video or something?
As a brass player who would like to learn percussion ALL of this is confusing as hell
Rumor has it EMC does the awkwardness check for Paul rennick, and Scott Johnson..
Could you do the vibes or marimba pls
The brave little toaster
Is the best movie
Emc is god
Given the natural speed of tenor drums, I'm honestly shocked you don't hear them in metal. I know Slipknot's percussionists use marching snare, but I don't think they've used tenors
I want that T shirt!!!
Eric you need to do another video like the dance of eternity video you did
Did you ever define what a “push” is for non tenor drummers? If so I missed it. If not then I think that could help a lot of people trying to write for Tenors.
A “push” is when you the written music doesn’t allow for proper flow between the hands and drums themselves, forcing your arms to move very quickly in order to move them to the next drum. They always feel very awkward and look awkward too. An example of a push is 4 hits of alternating sticking (RLRL) on drum 1 (second most right drum) followed by 4 hits of alternating sticking on drum 2 (second most left drum). The left hand being on drum 1 prevents the right hand from moving to drum 2 efficiently which as a result, gets forced to move very quickly and requires the entire arm to move in a very small amount of time. This can be solved by changing the sticking to paradiddles (RLRR LRLL) to allow for the left hand to move out of the right hand’s way and give more time between hand movements.
Sweet!!!
Dude, YES! YEESSSS!! This needs to go viral gee wiz 🔥
Do you know if I can use a snare drum stand for a tenor drum practice pad?
What tenor practice pad is that
Niceee man, so excited
me who plays bass: wut is going on?
GOOD MORNINGGGG
It’s like when piano players write guitar parts……the horror…
Just so we're all clear, "skip ad" is no longer an option on this channel!!!! Don't do it.
don’t think we missed the We Are Number 1 at 2:05
Stupid question. What is a push?
I’m not a drummer so some of these terms I don’t understand. What does he mean by a “push”?