Lmao i totally was suspecious of vyn so i always tried to search about him , read all his card stories and totally forgot about this and fell for him 💀💀💀 looking at this i realised why i ended up liking him the most
Purple hyacinth also symbolises respect and gratitude, I think it's more likely to be Neil?(I think that's artems mentors name) since the game wouldn't give us such a big hint this easy right?
Going to leave minor spoilers here Thinking about it again it seems like the main character already died based on the grave and Artem visiting it, marius's painting Luke's box I am still confused about but when we "we up we see vyn" now when we actually first "irl" meet him ingame he asked us if we knew the outcome and was able to reverse time would we attempt again? And we said we would could it be that something happened/mc made a mistake that lead to something bad and vyn reversed time? Now this is very farfetched but it's all that I can think of rn
My theory is this whole cut scene is a “dream”, but in reality, Luke dies somehow, as in the dream he disappears in a flurry of black feathers like a raven that would represent death, and we get to unlock his box. We’re very upset about it all, Marius paints us in a happy mood but in reality we are sad, that’s why the painting changes. We’re holding a hyacinth in the painting. Then, Artem takes hyacinths to a grave. The grave has the scales of balanced justice, symbolising a lawyer has died. Could be Neil but we’ll ignore it for now. So in reality, to summarise, Luke has died and we also die somehow afterwards or die trying to save him, perhaps. I remember around October there was a Vyn card where he used magic, or something similar. I think it’s possible for magic or similar sorts of things to be real in this world, considering Mihoyo’s other games. Perhaps Vyn is capable of entering our mind as we are dying, giving us this dream and saying things to us, such as “If you could go back, would you change your decisions”, always talking about choices and decision making. Then he hypnotises us back to sleep and we come back to “reality” where we go back to work. I think the opening cutscene dream is symbolic of the future, and Vyn sends us back in time before we meet any of the others like him or Marius and before Luke comes back, so we can fix whatever happened.
It’s also possible Vyn has returned to the past with us. When we first meet him in game, he makes us play that card game as a trial to see if we should join NXX team, but asks us “if we could go back in time, would we choose a different card” or something similar like that. He’s trying to get us to understand the situation we’re in and that we need to change events to change the future
@@freyaquested2340 we need answers and clarification from Hoyoverse itself.... I kinda want this to be tragic but at the same time I don't.... Your theory just gave me goosebumps
... Wait a minute... This is strange. In the opening cut scene, we had a dream like this. And Marius and Vyn is there. And we also haven't meet Luke yet after 8 years until later when we meet who Winnie private detective she found. Something in the cut scene is suspicious... There is something the game isn't telling us about. Also, the MC, I wonder why her head is also starting to hurt. How does this happen in a dream. I think we need to start making Tears of Themis Theories. As soon as possible.
I was thinking what if the chapters that we are play are just MC past memories and we are just experiencing the memories that MC have already experience. But now I have one questions: Why is Mc with Vyn. We know that Vyn only see patient who suffer severe mental health issue in hopes of them getting cure, so why is MC as I see it getting help from Vyn? Did something happen that traumatized MC so much that she needed to see Vyn?
I'm thinking the MC got into an accident causing her memories to be wiped out about the things in the past. Maybe that's why we see the box and why Vyn looks so suspicious
[Spoiler alerts] Disclaimer! My theories and analysis is not cannon to the game itself yet I am just speculating because they wont put these hints for no reason •Reason• When i saw this prologue i didnt think of it that much and it was just very intresting to me but now that i am a level 62 Player and i have nothing to do in ToT except for my daily tasks (when there is no Events),i wanted to analyze a bit more because nothing in this prologue connects into Any of the main stories. •Theory• Almost everthing in this prologue points towards Mc's Death or it shows signs of the Mc leaving/dying, And it also shows some sort of Sorrow Between The male leads •Analysis• First of all i noticed that the Mc knows everyone (Male leads) when the main story (The Hand that feeds) we only knew Artem and The reunion between the Mc and Luke only happened when the investigation started and of course she only met Vyn and Marius Later on the story, So that means it must be In the fiture considering she knew who theyre and she even knew Marius liked painting, So its impossible for it to be the past. Lets get to the actual Part I'm quite curious on why Luke was Looking so Dejected while looking at the Key necklace, why is he Sad? Why was he looking at the key? which btw Mc gave that key to him and he kept it forever, Im not sure about the box Mc opened is the gift Mc gave to him since she did not mention anything about it being 'The box' so that leaves unsolved For Marius i noticed That he was right next to the ocean,You can even see a lightpost Far away but thats not an important information since it might just be a pkace where Marius likes to paint or Is it a place Mc and him visited for a special Date? We are not gonna forget about the painting of course, The painting was covered with white paint that seems to be scraping off...And when the Mc gets dizzy The painting turned into Mc crying... and Vyn also talked about "Using a painting to conceal the truth"..Is the truth about her? Or is the truth The feelings that Marius is experiencing currently While painting Mc... Lets mive onto the flowers and Artems part Artems part was the most Complicated and it leads to Death and Sorrow... The first thing that we notice when Artem suddenly disappeared is the Flowers And tjose flowers are Hyacinths. I got curious because they wouldnt just say the flowers name for no reason because they couldve just said "He offered some flowers to someone,but who is this person?". I noticed it was Pink and purple Hyacinths, So i searched up the meanings of The flowers and its there... "Purple Hyacinth meaning:Sorrow or im sorry" What is he sorry for? Why is he sorry? Lets assume its Mc who Is in the tombstone Is he sorry for suggesting her into the Nxx team that putted her in so much risks it hot to that predicament? Or is it sorry for not protecting her?... "When the red and pink hyacinth means play in Victorian flower language, it means happiness, love and protection in witch-lore." This kinda reminded me of Artems card 'Entwined fate' and Coincidentally He wished for protection and they also Got teased by the Master To wish for marriage Protection= Safety wish Love= Marriage wish But its not just that, Because when i searched it up there was also a Summary of the History of Red/pink Hyacinths that made them The 'Love and protection' Hyacinths •Story• For the most part, this relates to the story about Apollo, the sun god playing a game of discus with his favorite companion, Hyacinthus. Although the story starts out well with the two trying to see who can throw the discus farther, it ends with the death of Hyacinthus because he gets hit on the head with the discus. It’s not all Apollo’s fault because Zephyr had a hand in changing the direction of the discus. It’s just because he was jealous of Apollo’s and Hyacinthus’ friendship. Where Hyacinthus lay dead, the red hyacinth bloomed. •Continuation of the Analysis• I have a book that is also Related to greek mythology (The trials of Apollo,Book 3) And i immediately went to the back of the book for the 'Guide To Apollo' and i saw that Hyacinthus and Apollos Relationship is not just "Friends" They were lovers... And when Hyacinthus died the Love hyacinth was born.. But there is more, The symbol inlaid onto the Gravestone.. It was A scale.. And the game Is literally Named after a God "Themis". "She is the personification of justice, divine order, fairness, law, and custom, and her symbols include the Scales of Justice." She symbolizes Law and of vourse it can also lead to Neil hume since hes also a Attorney or a legal consultant...But What and why is he sorry for? If its Connected to Neil hume, What is the reason he feels Sorry isnt he the Bad guy?.... Now onto Vyn who has the most confusing part He said "Is this A dream or the reality?" If The mc is indeed Dreaming She's obviously aware if its indeed reality or Her imagination. But why is she with Vyn? Therr must be something wrong with the Mc and Led the Male leads to be so worried and For Vyn to be consulting Her Lets go over what he said.. "The chest of memories..Did you see the answer inside? Was it what you wanted?" The phrase "Was it what you wanted?" Made me confused What is Mc hoping for? What is the anwer Mc needed from luke?... I already talked about The 'concealing the truth with a painting part' and Im still curious, What is the Truth? What is he trying to conceal? And also 'Fool the eyes but not the heart' its like saying, "You can put up a front for everyone to see but you know Whats the truth" but Who is Marius fooling and what was his intention?.. "Adhering to your convictions but betraying your heart.. And in the end, It was all for naught" Betraying your heart.. It was all for naught.. Is that why Artem Offered those purple Hyacinths? Did he have to choose between something that Included Mc's life that made him choose The Opposite One and ended Mc's life? Or did he do something within the Nxx investigation that made him so dejected because it took Mc's life? What could it be.. "Words are empty,Deeds over words, Let time reveal the answer.." Did something happen to mc that caused her to be mentally ill that her head is hurting? Did someone manipulate her with words and she instantly Believed it which Led her to this predicament? But im sure There is something thats gonna happen to Mc that will affect her Mental health so much, that Vyn needed to consult her But what are those signs of Death that they showed? There is so many unsolved things but as Vyn said "Let time reveal the answer.."
@@Ice-lz1lw And its just a theory, Im literally just digging into the Games lore to find out more. The game is very very intresting and i cant help but to make a theory, and plus why did you even read this comment nor Notice it if you're just gonna be delusional hater who thinks that theyre gonna affect me. I suggest you mind your own business and i mind my own and satisfy my own curiosity.
@@Ice-lz1lw To clear it out, The theories purpose is to just Satisfy my Thoughts and curiosity, I am fully aware that non of this will be canon in the actual game. I enjoyed writing the theory and never really intended to make this part of the actual lore. It doesnt matter to me whether its useful or just a waste of time, Its just entertaining for me.
I have a feeling that vyn had hypnotised the mc (vyn is capable of hyponotism as stated in the game) and she had a livid nightmare where she had died or she's having flashbacks. also the space we're in with vyn seems like the mcs dream-space-thing cuz whenever her head hurts it sounds like the area is being affected as well....all in all vyn is hella sus but from the stories, he doesn't seem to have any reasonable motives against us? or at least not yet.....still love him tho
My random thoughts after watching this again + been playing for one year til Ep. 11 part 1 If mc was dreaming, how does vyn know what she saw? And how he has those stuff (key, painting, hyacinth)? Did he cause mc to dream it all? Is he even real or as another dream? Or am i missing something, can he really tell what she dreamed? Also i noticed in vyn stories and calls, especially in his 3rd Bday ssr, he always says something like dreams are a reflection of one's own desires or wishes, is everything mc been dreaming related to something she wishes? For example, she saw luke and then he disappeared, we all feel that it represents lukes death, but luke has been disappeared for 8 years in the beginning, could it relates to MC's wish for not letting luke disappear again? And maybe that box represents mc's and luke's memories, now I'm not sure if that represents her memories before Luke disappeared 8 years ago or after he came back and as the story goes on, more new memories have been made, memories can relate to her wish for him to stay.. also the black feathers could represent Luke's illness that can cause his death Also, a little spoiler from cn server, a new ep. 14 has released yesterday.. idk what's going on but it's related to neil hume and Artem basically saying that he can do anything to bring Neil Hume back, now doing "anything" can also be something he later regrets as we see in the prologue, he's putting the "apology" flowers on the grave of some law/lawyer/his own convictions whatever, but again could it represents the dreamer (mc) 's wish relating to what artem did/does as the cause of him apologizing? Also marius painting one is confusing to me, but i agree with someone else comment here that Marius is purposely drawing a happy painting but it turns to the sad one and as Vyn says "fooling the eyes but not the heart" , the heart knows the situation is sad but still drawing a happy painting to see the eyes that things are okay, it could represent either mc's or Marius's desire for things to be okay, but then why is the painting covered with white paint again? Another thought is that maybe mc is exposed to a dangerous drug while investigating and all, which now causes her hallucinations and her head hurts and she feels dizzy, and she hears that time ticking sound, and we also see that watch hanging (by vyn probably) and feel that he is hypnotizing mc for whatever reason, but again my question, is vyn himself real when he talking? Because in the prologue we see the order that mc sees every ml and then the ml disappears, so when vyn talks holding key, painting and flowers, mc's head hurt again, she sees the whole room deteriorating and vyn disappears as she open her eyes again, then we only see the hanging watch and the ticking, what if it's not about the hypnosis? What if it's about "let time will tell" and mc is seeing time ticking? Because i feel like even vyn may not be real, but a dream, a reflection of her wishes about each ML. And i think she's dreaming in future, because only then she also knows everyone, and because in the first meeting vyn has asked her the question something like "even if the whole world is against you, would you stand by your decision?" Maybe this question is appearing later in her dream, because she had given the answer as yes she would still go with her decision because there are possibilities and we shape our own fates. In Vyn's stories, mc always talks about the "possibilities" and that's her firm belief. So maybe... Maybe that question appears in her dream because something has definitely happened and she's wishing about something related to it?
Spoiler: I think in Luke’s box, there is the answer to why he died. From CN server spoilers of the 9th episode, we know he got ill and had like 3years to deal with to discover the truth about the illegal drugs poisoning case. As he knew he was going to die, he wanted Rosa to know about it afterwards so that she won’t be worried as there is no cure for the time being. Only her would know how to open the box (the key around his neck) and that’s when Vyn’s words resonate with this. If she knew earlier, would she act differently to save him?
Thank you so much for uplaoding this c:. I didn't remeber the dream sequence at all... Happy that I could watch it again but now understanding who is who XD. No idea what is happening. I already thoughed Vyn was suspicious and I don't trust him fully.... but this... this is such a new level. Uhhmmm I am getting scared ^^"
(note that idk what happens in the actual game and this is just bc of my mihoyoverse connection theories shiz) me still not playing ToT but looking back at this opening scene and how vyn talks to the mc, it really reminds me of how The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles stopped the twin. He says stuff in cryptic or some kind of metaphor. Vyn somehow also resembles GK in a way (white hair yellow eyes with star shapped pupils as if he's controlled by HoV LMAO)
@@ruiiris_ True HAHHAHA Its has just been 1-2 years in Both Genshin and Tears of Themis and the Theories are insane HAHAHAHA they do have a ton of things to explain
You enjoyed the prologue now rewatch it with the impression of vyn as a well written villain (no hate on vyn tho he’s my 2nd favorite character after luke)
But what if mc is still in this state of sleeping so everything we see is just a dream. What if we are alive but others are dead(except vyn) so this dream is our life before mistake that we made which killed them.
just rewatched this bcs i was discussing with my friend about why everyone thinks vyn is suspicious jsksjdksdj but we still love vyn nonetheless,, vyn is love vyn is life vyn is everything 😍❤️🔥 /lh /hj
Wait a sec... whose voice is it around the 4:25 mark? I don’t think it’s any of the main 4 dudes, the others are too different in timbre... Did we die? Or did luke die? The grave artem visited is probably us or his missing mentor. So many mysteries...
Back rewatching this again after reading chapter 9. By vyn's words "adhering your conviction but betraying your heart" does this mean, we had to sacrifice someone for the 'greater good' or something???? The main plot is about NXX drug right, how does all this tie together? 😭😭😭😭 I can't guess at all
yes I managed to see the screen again.. this thought actually got stuck in my mind for a long time actually, The question in my head is "What was the cutscene at the first"
after rewatching this, i remembered why everyone thought vyn was suspicious 💀💀 but it’s okay i’m used to loving the red flags 😚😚
Lmao i totally was suspecious of vyn so i always tried to search about him , read all his card stories and totally forgot about this and fell for him 💀💀💀 looking at this i realised why i ended up liking him the most
if we think about it, this could be our grave. I mean marius painting us, the “lawyer scale” on the grave…
It could also be the lawyer mentioned at the start of the story, I cannot recall his name but he also is dead and was very close to Artem.
@@andysm6812 Right that's what am I thinking, it could also be Neil Hume's grave.
Purple hyacinth also symbolises respect and gratitude, I think it's more likely to be Neil?(I think that's artems mentors name) since the game wouldn't give us such a big hint this easy right?
after knowing the characters and got better grip of the plot, I am now concerned.
Knowing Mihoyo likes to mess with time and makes us depress. I can already see there’s up with this…”Time” thingy
Istg so freaking truee
Going to leave minor spoilers here
Thinking about it again it seems like the main character already died based on the grave and Artem visiting it, marius's painting Luke's box I am still confused about but when we "we up we see vyn" now when we actually first "irl" meet him ingame he asked us if we knew the outcome and was able to reverse time would we attempt again? And we said we would could it be that something happened/mc made a mistake that lead to something bad and vyn reversed time? Now this is very farfetched but it's all that I can think of rn
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
The whole plot is now sus to me >:
My theory is this whole cut scene is a “dream”, but in reality, Luke dies somehow, as in the dream he disappears in a flurry of black feathers like a raven that would represent death, and we get to unlock his box. We’re very upset about it all, Marius paints us in a happy mood but in reality we are sad, that’s why the painting changes. We’re holding a hyacinth in the painting. Then, Artem takes hyacinths to a grave. The grave has the scales of balanced justice, symbolising a lawyer has died. Could be Neil but we’ll ignore it for now. So in reality, to summarise, Luke has died and we also die somehow afterwards or die trying to save him, perhaps. I remember around October there was a Vyn card where he used magic, or something similar. I think it’s possible for magic or similar sorts of things to be real in this world, considering Mihoyo’s other games. Perhaps Vyn is capable of entering our mind as we are dying, giving us this dream and saying things to us, such as “If you could go back, would you change your decisions”, always talking about choices and decision making. Then he hypnotises us back to sleep and we come back to “reality” where we go back to work. I think the opening cutscene dream is symbolic of the future, and Vyn sends us back in time before we meet any of the others like him or Marius and before Luke comes back, so we can fix whatever happened.
It’s also possible Vyn has returned to the past with us. When we first meet him in game, he makes us play that card game as a trial to see if we should join NXX team, but asks us “if we could go back in time, would we choose a different card” or something similar like that. He’s trying to get us to understand the situation we’re in and that we need to change events to change the future
@@freyaquested2340 we need answers and clarification from Hoyoverse itself.... I kinda want this to be tragic but at the same time I don't.... Your theory just gave me goosebumps
...
Wait a minute... This is strange.
In the opening cut scene, we had a dream like this.
And Marius and Vyn is there. And we also haven't meet Luke yet after 8 years until later when we meet who Winnie private detective she found.
Something in the cut scene is suspicious...
There is something the game isn't telling us about.
Also, the MC, I wonder why her head is also starting to hurt. How does this happen in a dream.
I think we need to start making Tears of Themis Theories. As soon as possible.
I was thinking what if the chapters that we are play are just MC past memories and we are just experiencing the memories that MC have already experience. But now I have one questions:
Why is Mc with Vyn. We know that Vyn only see patient who suffer severe mental health issue in hopes of them getting cure, so why is MC as I see it getting help from Vyn? Did something happen that traumatized MC so much that she needed to see Vyn?
Also why the fuck was MC crying in the painting? That just make me belive even more that MC had some traumatic experience
In or after episode 5 MC came in contact with Flora-X which caused her the same mental problems as Giann and Neil had gotten. This is the result
@@improbableone42 Oooo that's a goos one
I'm thinking the MC got into an accident causing her memories to be wiped out about the things in the past. Maybe that's why we see the box and why Vyn looks so suspicious
[Spoiler alerts]
Disclaimer!
My theories and analysis is not cannon to the game itself yet I am just speculating because they wont put these hints for no reason
•Reason•
When i saw this prologue i didnt think of it that much and it was just very intresting to me but now that i am a level 62 Player and i have nothing to do in ToT except for my daily tasks (when there is no Events),i wanted to analyze a bit more because nothing in this prologue connects into Any of the main stories.
•Theory•
Almost everthing in this prologue points towards Mc's Death or it shows signs of the Mc leaving/dying, And it also shows some sort of Sorrow Between The male leads
•Analysis•
First of all i noticed that the Mc knows everyone (Male leads) when the main story (The Hand that feeds) we only knew Artem and The reunion between the Mc and Luke only happened when the investigation started and of course she only met Vyn and Marius Later on the story, So that means it must be In the fiture considering she knew who theyre and she even knew Marius liked painting, So its impossible for it to be the past.
Lets get to the actual Part
I'm quite curious on why Luke was Looking so
Dejected while looking at the Key necklace, why is he Sad? Why was he looking at the key? which btw Mc gave that key to him and he kept it forever, Im not sure about the box Mc opened is the gift Mc gave to him since she did not mention anything about it being 'The box' so that leaves unsolved
For Marius i noticed That he was right next to the ocean,You can even see a lightpost Far away but thats not an important information since it might just be a pkace where Marius likes to paint or Is it a place Mc and him visited for a special Date? We are not gonna forget about the painting of course, The painting was covered with white paint that seems to be scraping off...And when the Mc gets dizzy The painting turned into Mc crying... and Vyn also talked about "Using a painting to conceal the truth"..Is the truth about her? Or is the truth The feelings that Marius is experiencing currently While painting Mc... Lets mive onto the flowers and Artems part
Artems part was the most Complicated and it leads to Death and Sorrow...
The first thing that we notice when Artem suddenly disappeared is the Flowers And tjose flowers are Hyacinths.
I got curious because they wouldnt just say the flowers name for no reason because they couldve just said "He offered some flowers to someone,but who is this person?".
I noticed it was Pink and purple Hyacinths, So i searched up the meanings of The flowers and its there...
"Purple Hyacinth meaning:Sorrow or im sorry"
What is he sorry for? Why is he sorry?
Lets assume its Mc who Is in the tombstone
Is he sorry for suggesting her into the Nxx team that putted her in so much risks it hot to that predicament? Or is it sorry for not protecting her?...
"When the red and pink hyacinth means play in Victorian flower language, it means happiness, love and protection in witch-lore."
This kinda reminded me of Artems card 'Entwined fate' and Coincidentally He wished for protection and they also Got teased by the Master To wish for marriage
Protection= Safety wish
Love= Marriage wish
But its not just that, Because when i searched it up there was also a Summary of the History of Red/pink Hyacinths that made them The 'Love and protection' Hyacinths
•Story•
For the most part, this relates to the story about Apollo, the sun god playing a game of discus with his favorite companion, Hyacinthus. Although the story starts out well with the two trying to see who can throw the discus farther, it ends with the death of Hyacinthus because he gets hit on the head with the discus.
It’s not all Apollo’s fault because Zephyr had a hand in changing the direction of the discus. It’s just because he was jealous of Apollo’s and Hyacinthus’ friendship. Where Hyacinthus lay dead, the red hyacinth bloomed.
•Continuation of the Analysis•
I have a book that is also Related to greek mythology (The trials of Apollo,Book 3)
And i immediately went to the back of the book for the 'Guide To Apollo' and i saw that Hyacinthus and Apollos Relationship is not just "Friends" They were lovers... And when Hyacinthus died the Love hyacinth was born..
But there is more, The symbol inlaid onto the Gravestone.. It was A scale.. And the game Is literally Named after a God "Themis".
"She is the personification of justice, divine order, fairness, law, and custom, and her symbols include the Scales of Justice."
She symbolizes Law and of vourse it can also lead to Neil hume since hes also a Attorney or a legal consultant...But What and why is he sorry for? If its Connected to Neil hume, What is the reason he feels Sorry isnt he the Bad guy?....
Now onto Vyn who has the most confusing part
He said "Is this A dream or the reality?"
If The mc is indeed Dreaming She's obviously aware if its indeed reality or Her imagination.
But why is she with Vyn?
Therr must be something wrong with the Mc and Led the Male leads to be so worried and For Vyn to be consulting Her
Lets go over what he said..
"The chest of memories..Did you see the answer inside? Was it what you wanted?"
The phrase "Was it what you wanted?" Made me confused What is Mc hoping for? What is the anwer Mc needed from luke?...
I already talked about The 'concealing the truth with a painting part' and Im still curious, What is the Truth? What is he trying to conceal? And also 'Fool the eyes but not the heart' its like saying, "You can put up a front for everyone to see but you know Whats the truth" but Who is Marius fooling and what was his intention?..
"Adhering to your convictions but betraying your heart.. And in the end, It was all for naught"
Betraying your heart.. It was all for naught..
Is that why Artem Offered those purple Hyacinths? Did he have to choose between something that Included Mc's life that made him choose The Opposite One and ended Mc's life? Or did he do something within the Nxx investigation that made him so dejected because it took Mc's life? What could it be..
"Words are empty,Deeds over words, Let time reveal the answer.."
Did something happen to mc that caused her to be mentally ill that her head is hurting? Did someone manipulate her with words and she instantly Believed it which Led her to this predicament?
But im sure There is something thats gonna happen to Mc that will affect her Mental health so much, that Vyn needed to consult her But what are those signs of Death that they showed? There is so many unsolved things but as Vyn said "Let time reveal the answer.."
Dude it's just a game
@@Ice-lz1lw And its just a theory, Im literally just digging into the Games lore to find out more. The game is very very intresting and i cant help but to make a theory, and plus why did you even read this comment nor Notice it if you're just gonna be delusional hater who thinks that theyre gonna affect me. I suggest you mind your own business and i mind my own and satisfy my own curiosity.
@@aureliacleon5575 I just told you that you spent a lot of time writing a theory of a game that would not matter in 10 years
@@Ice-lz1lw To clear it out, The theories purpose is to just Satisfy my Thoughts and curiosity, I am fully aware that non of this will be canon in the actual game. I enjoyed writing the theory and never really intended to make this part of the actual lore.
It doesnt matter to me whether its useful or just a waste of time, Its just entertaining for me.
@@Ice-lz1lw LMAO
I have a feeling that vyn had hypnotised the mc (vyn is capable of hyponotism as stated in the game) and she had a livid nightmare where she had died or she's having flashbacks. also the space we're in with vyn seems like the mcs dream-space-thing cuz whenever her head hurts it sounds like the area is being affected as well....all in all vyn is hella sus but from the stories, he doesn't seem to have any reasonable motives against us? or at least not yet.....still love him tho
It’s been a while since I’ve seen this cut scene because I’m like now level 50 but it’s still so suspicious why Vyn wasn’t in the dream?
Mihoyo can make any game sad (even time)
My random thoughts after watching this again + been playing for one year til Ep. 11 part 1
If mc was dreaming, how does vyn know what she saw? And how he has those stuff (key, painting, hyacinth)? Did he cause mc to dream it all? Is he even real or as another dream? Or am i missing something, can he really tell what she dreamed?
Also i noticed in vyn stories and calls, especially in his 3rd Bday ssr, he always says something like dreams are a reflection of one's own desires or wishes, is everything mc been dreaming related to something she wishes?
For example, she saw luke and then he disappeared, we all feel that it represents lukes death, but luke has been disappeared for 8 years in the beginning, could it relates to MC's wish for not letting luke disappear again? And maybe that box represents mc's and luke's memories, now I'm not sure if that represents her memories before Luke disappeared 8 years ago or after he came back and as the story goes on, more new memories have been made, memories can relate to her wish for him to stay.. also the black feathers could represent Luke's illness that can cause his death
Also, a little spoiler from cn server, a new ep. 14 has released yesterday.. idk what's going on but it's related to neil hume and Artem basically saying that he can do anything to bring Neil Hume back, now doing "anything" can also be something he later regrets as we see in the prologue, he's putting the "apology" flowers on the grave of some law/lawyer/his own convictions whatever, but again could it represents the dreamer (mc) 's wish relating to what artem did/does as the cause of him apologizing?
Also marius painting one is confusing to me, but i agree with someone else comment here that Marius is purposely drawing a happy painting but it turns to the sad one and as Vyn says "fooling the eyes but not the heart" , the heart knows the situation is sad but still drawing a happy painting to see the eyes that things are okay, it could represent either mc's or Marius's desire for things to be okay, but then why is the painting covered with white paint again?
Another thought is that maybe mc is exposed to a dangerous drug while investigating and all, which now causes her hallucinations and her head hurts and she feels dizzy, and she hears that time ticking sound, and we also see that watch hanging (by vyn probably) and feel that he is hypnotizing mc for whatever reason, but again my question, is vyn himself real when he talking? Because in the prologue we see the order that mc sees every ml and then the ml disappears, so when vyn talks holding key, painting and flowers, mc's head hurt again, she sees the whole room deteriorating and vyn disappears as she open her eyes again, then we only see the hanging watch and the ticking, what if it's not about the hypnosis? What if it's about "let time will tell" and mc is seeing time ticking?
Because i feel like even vyn may not be real, but a dream, a reflection of her wishes about each ML. And i think she's dreaming in future, because only then she also knows everyone, and because in the first meeting vyn has asked her the question something like "even if the whole world is against you, would you stand by your decision?"
Maybe this question is appearing later in her dream, because she had given the answer as yes she would still go with her decision because there are possibilities and we shape our own fates. In Vyn's stories, mc always talks about the "possibilities" and that's her firm belief. So maybe... Maybe that question appears in her dream because something has definitely happened and she's wishing about something related to it?
Spoiler:
I think in Luke’s box, there is the answer to why he died. From CN server spoilers of the 9th episode, we know he got ill and had like 3years to deal with to discover the truth about the illegal drugs poisoning case. As he knew he was going to die, he wanted Rosa to know about it afterwards so that she won’t be worried as there is no cure for the time being. Only her would know how to open the box (the key around his neck) and that’s when Vyn’s words resonate with this. If she knew earlier, would she act differently to save him?
Thank you so much for uplaoding this c:. I didn't remeber the dream sequence at all... Happy that I could watch it again but now understanding who is who XD. No idea what is happening. I already thoughed Vyn was suspicious and I don't trust him fully.... but this... this is such a new level. Uhhmmm I am getting scared ^^"
Thank you I sorta got impatient at the dream part so I didn't even begin it.
i'm watching this only because i accidentally skipped this scene
(note that idk what happens in the actual game and this is just bc of my mihoyoverse connection theories shiz)
me still not playing ToT but looking back at this opening scene and how vyn talks to the mc, it really reminds me of how The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles stopped the twin. He says stuff in cryptic or some kind of metaphor. Vyn somehow also resembles GK in a way (white hair yellow eyes with star shapped pupils as if he's controlled by HoV LMAO)
So basically saying White Hair = Sus?
@@banana2738 in hoyoverse... hm maybe not sus but they still got lots of explaining to do to us players
@@ruiiris_ True HAHHAHA Its has just been 1-2 years in Both Genshin and Tears of Themis and the Theories are insane HAHAHAHA they do have a ton of things to explain
@@banana2738 honkai is ending but it still has alot of stuff to explain too sjsjd
@@ruiiris_ Are you talking about Elysian Realm and where Kiana Is? and other things...
You enjoyed the prologue now rewatch it with the impression of vyn as a well written villain (no hate on vyn tho he’s my 2nd favorite character after luke)
But what if mc is still in this state of sleeping so everything we see is just a dream. What if we are alive but others are dead(except vyn) so this dream is our life before mistake that we made which killed them.
All these different answers you guys should become philosophers
That would be more heartbreaking than the MC dying ngl it even makes sense since they all disappear except Vyn. I am ✨worries✨
just rewatched this bcs i was discussing with my friend about why everyone thinks vyn is suspicious jsksjdksdj but we still love vyn nonetheless,, vyn is love vyn is life vyn is everything 😍❤️🔥 /lh /hj
Wait a sec... whose voice is it around the 4:25 mark? I don’t think it’s any of the main 4 dudes, the others are too different in timbre... Did we die? Or did luke die? The grave artem visited is probably us or his missing mentor. So many mysteries...
Isn't that vyn?
@@diamondeyes_8411I think the voice at 4:25 was deeper than vyn’s
@@SecretMiraiNah that's obviously vyn
Back rewatching this again after reading chapter 9. By vyn's words "adhering your conviction but betraying your heart" does this mean, we had to sacrifice someone for the 'greater good' or something???? The main plot is about NXX drug right, how does all this tie together? 😭😭😭😭 I can't guess at all
Dim was in the world anime😎😎😢♥
yes I managed to see the screen again.. this thought actually got stuck in my mind for a long time actually,
The question in my head is
"What was the cutscene at the first"
I remember tye first time I meet look again at the first case he said that the key opens a box with books.. not memories??
I still haven't gotten that far with the painting?
I never got this?…
When you first download the game, it's the intro. There's a chance you could've accidentally skipped it
@@benzosiara yeah I probably did😭
playing a game you dont even know the plot of