I had one of these for 2 months as a courtesy bike after an accident last year and was very impressed with it, nice power throughout the rev range, comfortable and looks good for a pillion. When you did the walk around I had a smile. I would have one for sure if I had the money. Great review of what I considered a great bike :)
Had mine almost a year and done over 8k miles on it and for my first big bike it's amazing, it may not be the fastest in that engine bracket but it's handling and stability are what make it dream to ride for me as a relatively new rider
Hi Flyer, well priced for a Honda 4 cylinder. The 600 engine was bullet proof, this has same bore with longer stroke and detuned should last ages! Come on Honda l'm a "Hornet" not a number, let's give more bikes names 👍
Another excellent bike for someone who is just getting into motorcycling or returning to motorcycling. These midsize bikes inspire confidence and they have enough horsepower and are comfortable enough to commute to work or do an all day ride on. Another reason to own one is the cost - they are affordable for most people. By the way, I am still recovering from my health issue - got another 8 weeks to go - and your videos help pass the time. Looking forward to your reviews on the Kawasaki and Triumph.
Definitely rode the first time in a very long time at a Honda training centre in Melbourne. Witches hats, emergency breaking. Highest mortality rate is amongst mature age riders who haven't ridden for a long time and hopping on a large capacity bike. Good to do a refresher coarse - these people are very good.
Great vid I am seriously considering one of these for my daily commute to work. I think it’s probably the only four cylinder bike that is left in this class now
I think you're right about that. There aren't too many 4-cyl 600 class bikes on the market. That was one of the primary reasons I had no problem paying more for the CB650F over the 2-cyl options from other manufacturers. Get a CB; you won't be disappointed.
The CB650F isn't heavy at all. It's not lightweight like a CBR600RR, but it's perfectly easy to handle it at both high and low speeds. Gear indicator can be added on aftermarket if you really want one. I agree they are handy to have but I've been riding fine without one.
I've had the US version (2018 model) since last October. It's a very nice bike if you want something usable in pretty much any sitaution. My take on the CB650F is this: Weight: Feels right. It is balanced well. The CG is low making it stable. It doesn't feel heavy at low speeds either; very manueverable in parking lots. Easy to walk it around if you need to park it somewhere tight. Handling: Surprisingly good for a bike that's billed as a commuter / general purpose. Comparing it to a supersport is pretty dumb, so people who do that don't ride and/or don't know what they're talking about. In its class, it's one of the best. Appearance: I love the looks. The headers are very distinct and the overall styling is great without being over-the-top in any way. You could probably shed a few lbs by swapping the exhaust, but there are no aftermarket exhausts that look as good as stock. Only change I made was a tail tidy. Controls: All work fine. I swaped the levers to adustable ones. One complaint is the turn signal on mine gets stuck sometimes when trying to activate it. Fuel: I got about 38 MPG average, and after adding a windscreen, 40 MPG. I highly recommend a windscreen, it improves comfort at high speeds. Comfort: As for riding position, very good and non-fatiguing. No complaints. The seat is uncomfortable and should be replaced with something better, or re-padded. After about an hour of riding my back starts to hurt...fortunately the seat is easy to swap. Overall: I wanted a 4-cyl with about 100 HP, and I wanted one with a purpose-built swingarm rather than tubular steel junk (matters more than most think). I didn't want a liter bike or a sportbike because I wanted to be comfortable riding around. The CB650F was 95% what I wanted and I got a good deal on it. Yes, it has a hydroformed aluminum swingarm which you'd find on any high performance bike. It seems to be rare; I've yet to see another rider on a CB650F and I've seen many riders. Great bike for anyone, whether you're just getting started or are a seasoned rider looking for something with more utility than a sportbike and just about as much fun.
The last time I was on a CB650F I was doing 3 days of training followed by my mod1 and mod2 tests. They had been a bit ragged but they are easy to ride and make a great first bike, training bike and commuter bike. For me though a bit on the dull side against other options on the market.
I have a 2016 model. Took it to The Bol D'or soon after i bought it. Back through France, Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium. Economical with a great tank range and a reasonable amount of power. Use it every day to commute work. A great little bike imho.
Good review as always.....lets face it, 650cc 90bhp, more than enough for todays roads, my 18yr old 750f Suzi only has that and I can't use most of that without loosing my ticket or life....modern bikes,smooth, quick, brakes, reliability, usable, put the key in and ride, massive choice, it's a good time to ride these days! Keep up the good work son!
Now its even harder to choose which one to buy. Mt07, sv650, z650, or cb650f. Beginner rider here just looking for an upgrade this year. 95% will be using the bike for commute., in town lots of traffic and stop light. Minimal highway/freeway ride. Please advice.
Mine flies when I open it up. The front wheel lifts up without me even trying and it's a cinch to shift at WOT. More than fast enough for public roads.
I have CB500F 2017 year,i hope the next big bike is cb650f 2018! Because both bikes is so beautifull and so power,cb500f is so easy to driving,nice sound engine and i hope my future bike cb650f is better than cb500f :)
I’m glad you done this review. I don’t think many people are aware of the raft of changes for the 2017 model so well done on pointing it out. Lots of small changes that made a big difference! Only thing it’s lacking is a gear position indicator imo. The CB650F is my first big bike and I think it was and great choice. Very easy to ride and forgiving but still has plenty of poke. As many of its rivals are now twins (SV, MT07,Z650) the 4cyl engine still has the upper hand.
I bought one of these when I passed my test, great bike to start on couldn't fault it at all really, I'm a massive sports bike fan so the cb650f ended up being swapped for a fireblade which is a lot more exciting all round.
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This bike is not replacing the Hornet, it’s been tuned to have more urban usable engine. The hornet is constantly asking to be reved up.
Before this bike, Honda were making the 102BHP Hornet 600 which was very very fast as well as the detuned and 76hp CBF600 which is still quite fast and very comfortable on a motorway or a fast road. They discontinued both these bikes in 2014 and then brought out the CB650f which is about halfway between the two bikes in almost every way and spec. Makes sense because the Hornet was overkill and the CBF600 (which I have) is bland in style and unpopular as a model in general. Nice review, might even get one in a year or two.
Lovely bike. Nice and light. Simple. Little screen for touring. Perfect. Ideal do everything bike. Probably even better down light trails than some of the bid adventure stuff. Like it a lot and great noise too.
TMF - You continue to pump out engaging, comprehensive reviews that give off a warm friendly vibe. So thank you for that sir! I want to add - My opinion of Honda motorcycles is fairly conflicted. I've only ever had the privilege of riding one motorcycle: My friend loaned me his 2012 Honda CBR250R for a summer a couple years ago, I learned how to ride it within 5-10 minutes I was on the road able to proceed from a stop at a stop sign on a steep incline, I consider(ed) myself a natural but maybe Hondas are just that user friendly? Anyway, at this time I'm not a proud owner of a motorcycle of any kind but I rode that CBR non stop that summer and I (cautiously) consider myself a fairly adept rider and fairly, if I'm honest, a theoretical nerd when it comes to the industry and all its offspring. Honda confuses me though, I am drawn to the quality of materials, excellence of build, design purity (of some) and burnished reputation for bullet proof reliability yet it seems they constantly lag behind the competition performance wise as well as market progression.. i.e. Honda probably won't pursue the 400cc 'beginner class' engine size any time soon and if they do chances are it will be outgun or matched, performance wise by the presumably-obsolete-by-then Yamaha YZF-R3. It's as if Honda assumes it's customer base and potential customer base doesn't want to see Honda engage in any performance wars. Perhaps for the sake of reliability? Safety? I don't know. Surely Honda has the capability to meet or exceed competitions performance benchmarks, why not go for it? Rant over, thanks TMF look forward to more reviews and first impressions! Cheers
It's funny, but with all the twins and triples around these days, it's still the in-line fours you hear missing gears in the bypass on a Sunday morning. Long may it continue.
I was surprised how much I liked Joy and Martin's little Hornet hire bike. Loads of fun at more sane speeds. The exhausts on this remind me of the old Honda 400 four. Think the main disappointment is the sound this and most of the other Euro 4 machines make #sewingmachine
Nodded off for a few seconds and then woke up with a jump, just as that Nissan Note started to wander. I thought he was going have us both off the bike! Lol.
In your opinion: Is there a significant difference between them? I am searching for a used one and the 2017 models are 800€ - 1000€ more expensive than the 2014 models. I am trying to find out , if the update is worth the money. I could only test ride the 2014 model. Really liked it.
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A really good looking bike! Like that a lot! As ever, great review! There are so many good bikes and I think almost anything will be great, so it really is down to the smaller things that are personal taste in these things, like aesthetics.
I think it might be a great last big bike too... The only other 4 cylinder bike I had was a HONDA Pan European ST1300 which had an amazing V4 engine. At 208 kg wet (Triumph always give dry weights remember) it is worth having that weight to have a 4 cylinder....
So glad you have reviewed this bike as I own the previous model CBF600N8 and I've ridden this new version from HGB in Ruislip Manor, and I agree with everything you've said 😁👍. So now I know I can trust your reviews 😂 ! Last year I hacked it back on the motorway from Seville to Santander on day one (600 miles) and then on day two to Hertfordshire (800 miles) at a steady 85mph with no aches or pains, and of course it never missed a beat. 59,000 miles, never a problem and still going strong - it's a Honda!
TheMissendenFlyer . No, I rode their black CBR650F, because as you say they're the same other than the raised clip-ons and the fairing. I found out that I am now too old for clip-ons and the screen is ineffectual. I was also surprised that the extra 15 bhp and 50cc from my version made no discernible difference, which I assume is mainly down to Euro4 compliance.
I've heard you mention not owning an in-line 4 a few times in your reviews. I'm expecting a comments kicking for this but from my experience I'd say don't buy one to add to your twins/triple stable unless it's for track days. I've owned just one; a Yamaha FZ1n which I had at the same time as an MT03 single and a Street Triple about 8-10 years ago. After the initial buzz of riding the new FZ I found I would always end up taking out the MT despite the woeful power comparison on paper or the Street Triple. I just found the in-line 4 engine too bland compared to the other two engines and from 0-60 there really wasn't much between them in acceleration either. We all know the 4s have all their power hiding so far up the rev range that you have to be in a certain type of mood (read 'risk losing yer license mood') to really get the most out of them.....even when they've been re-tuned as most of the nakeds have been. Singles, twins and triples (and V4s like my lovely old duffer of a VFR800 pre-vtech thingy) on the other hand; masses of torque right where you want it for the street. Perfect.
Great review, I've ridden this bike in London and loved it, so much fun. TMF, looking forward to the CB1000R Neo café racer... when it's out that is. I'll be looking for that review👍
The only gripe i have with my 2017 CBR650F is i find 6th gear ratio is still rather short i find myself on a faster piece of road, trying to click up another gear. And the lack of gear position indicator dont help somtimes with the gearbox being close ratio. But other than that its fine.. exhaust note / induction roar is nice but its my first big bike so cant compare to much anyhow.
I really like inline fours and the Honda 650F. A real quality piece. I do wish it had belt drive. You mentioned the “white van” issue in London traffic. Here in Florida, near Tampa, it seems that every fourth vehicle is a pickup truck pulling a trailer with lawn equipment. Thanks again. Ride safe.
I have it, like it BUT: 1. No gear indicator, I would really like one 2. No helmet lock, I would like to have one if not two 3. No center stand, just a side stand 4. No temperature gauge I got Honda after having Yamaha FZ6 for 5-6 years. Yamaha had a most of those things that make life easier
I test rode one of the older ones 2 years ago before I bought a Street Triple. I remember it being boring. Now that my Triumph has been stolen I tried the newer CB650 today. It's improved a lot! I think the biggest disappointment last time was the noise, this year's version though sounds like a proper inline 4! If I buy it I suspect I will use a lot of fuel.
You mentioned that the CB650F was an A2 bike in the clip and this is true, provided you apply a restriction accessory kit that cuts the power in half! The standard 90 bhp bike is full (i.e. A) licence stuff. For the avoidance of doubt, the A2 criteria after passing the test is: No more than 35kW (47bhp) and a power-to-weight ratio of no more than 0.2kW/0.26bhp per kg with a MINIMUM weight of 175kg to stop say the lightweight 250s busting a hole through the legislation. I understand the old 650F couldn't be restricted but helpfully, this one officially can.
Kevin: my reading of the regs is that the 175 kg minimum weight applies only to bikes at the maximum 35 kW power output, and not to all A2 bikes: 35/175=0.2. Bikes making less power can be lighter. Take the KTM Duke 390, 149 kgs dry, about 165 wet, with 32 kW gives a fraction under 0.2 kW/kg.
Hi Christopher: Yes I understand that's correct so if you want to ride a bike using the full 47 bhp then it will need to come in with a minimum kerb weight of 175 kg. And the other side of the coin therefore is that some lightweight bikes with less than 47bhp are not A2 legal. Going back to the Honda, I wonder what a restricted CB650F feels like in practice?
Another great review..I am a Honda fan and I love 4 cylinder bikes BUT this is hugely dull looking..does nothing for me but am sure it's a lovely bike.
Love the microfone on the video when you riding the motorcycle any chance you can share it us about it... Im new in the motorcycling so sorry if its strange questions....
Why do they go thru all the expense and extra work to have 4 cylinders with only a 650 engine? Wow 90 hp now i see why; they put out quite a bit of power, huh?
Brilliant review once again TMF :) lovely engine noise when you parked it up to do the walkaround, it's got a lovely deep rumble about it. Those front brakes are bigger than on my Versys 1k!ahah
Hello TheMissendenFlyer from Aus thanks for another great video. If you're ever in QLD Aus, hit me up. Always like your videos, but nobody ever seems to take a look under the seat. I realise most bikes will be similar, my CBR can fit a small onion, and the Super Duke R has a cellphone holder under the seat. Is this something you could check out during your walk around?
Great review - thanks. Picked mine up from the dealer yesterday and very pleased with it. I had the NC750S but that gave no grin factor, where as this one does. Looked at several in this category but plumbed for this due to personal preference. Now to get some miles covered 😃. Cheers for the review.
Another great review. Any chance of you getting hold of a CCM? I love the fact that you review the full range of bikes in various CC's. I would love to see a review if the CCM GP 450 Adventure as well as the Spitfire models (although I believe they are like hens teeth).
Judging from the video, this bike appears really well designed. Purposeful and refined. More so to me than the twin cylinder MT-07. Great impression review of what appears to be a very sensible bike. Thank you, TMF for bringing us this one!
A nice practical lightweight machine for everyday use, with enough power for some out of town weekend fun. A fair new price and being a Honda you know the finish will probably outlast the lesser quality brands. I agree that it would look better with a round headlight and what is the purpose of those ugly black things attached to each side of the tank? The relatively minimal electronic package means it should help hold its second-hand value too, as when they go wrong they are often difficult to diagnose and expensive to replace. Many modern bikes are scrapped when they go beyond economic repair. I think Honda is on to a winner here, as a kind of slightly upmarket, ever popular, Suzuki Bandit. Another a great review.
I´m getting myself my own 2018 version of this bike tomorrow and your video just reminded me how stoked i am to ride it! Really really apreciate such a calm video.
Found this video very useful, have been looking for my first larger cc bike, as my test is not too far away now. Must admit i prefer the cb650r as looks go, able to add matching panniers. Think 90 bhp is as you say going to be just right for newbies like myself, downside for me is the price, which is slightly more expensive than some other models i have been looking at, but definitely one on the short list.
Very much agree re the "good first bike" post provisional licence. In 1986 after passing my test I acquired a Yamaha XZ550 (a rather unlikely machine in terms of configuration and which, if memory serves, had a reputation for handling like a length of rebar in a bath of molasses....I only later discovered this). Any road up it was more than powerful enough and anything bigger would have been too much.....as indeed I found out in September of that year when I stuffed a Police BMW R80 RT into the tarmac on my advanced motorcycling course! Too much too soon as they say...which yawn inducing rambling does at least serve to show that good reviews and sound advice such as this is one distinct advantage over the rip roaring 70s and 80s....;-)
Nice bike. Personally, if I was to find one negative point about this model Honda, it's that they seem a bit bland and vanilla; where to me - whilst I do like a motorbike to be practical and reliable, etc - I also want a motorcycle to have a little bit of spice and flavour too, something a bit exciting and fun. As they say, you buy a motorcycle with your heart, not just your brain. But it's a great commuter bike.
I'd need to agree. It's ok, bland but ok, miles behind the Street Triple and GSXS 750 (accepted it's got a bigger engine) though. The dash looks like something out of an Austin Metro.
Great review TMF. I had the Hornet as my first big bike which was mostly used for commuting, and it really was a quality bike, never let me down, like yourself not sure about headlights transformer looks but for a new rider sure you can't go wrong with this in your garage.
Thanks, another top review. I'll comment while your country-folk are still snoring soundly. Honda seem to get their bikes really right or really wrong. This seems like one of those bikes where it all looks good on paper and it's probably reliable and well built, but its physical looks are pretty awful and pedestrian. It looks like they couldn't decide whether to make it angular or mean, or go for the look of those 125cc Pulsar things that are popular in India. I guess it is what it is, a cheap and cheerful daily. You'd really have to not care about appearances to get one though.
.....this bike rides lovely and if you're in the market for a midsize naked is well worth a test ride. In the end, if the looks don't do it for you though, then it's not the bike for you I agree....
It looks fine, dude. It's a naked bike. There's not much in the way of styling that can be done, unless you were hoping for the overused exposed trellis frame look. The CB650F has a hydroformed aluminum swingarm which already puts it in a class above many bikes with the cheaper bikes with box steel swingarms.
I'm from a cruiser background, but couldn't resist a recent test-drive on the new CB650f. The riding position placed too much weight on my wrists. No thanks.
Nice review! I know that is quite a different category... but how is the difference with the duke390? It feels less torque at low rpm? Hello from Vietnam!
Yeap, I am agree with your... Currently I ride a duke390. And I could say that is enough for me at the moment... The acceleration is 5,50s from 0-100km/h, later is slower. The torque is in the meddium, like monster 821 but in scale. I didn't try the Z650, but I think the change is very small, with worse softer suspension and more weight. I think I will stay wiht a duke390 and if I need to change I will do with a z800 or monster 821 which is much more expensive here. Ride safe!
Hello. You are allways nagging about this bike, as a LITTLE nice bike!!!. With 205 kg , compaired to Susuki 186 kg or fireblade 198 kg,. Where did you find out about the little bike from? Thanks
I just buy the 2018 model and you can't compare this one with sv 650 its way more fast and quicker........i did have 2004 suzuki sv650 and there is huge difference on how bike delivery power good job honda 👏 👍
Perhaps youtube can help. I'm curious how these cb650 bikes compare to the cbr 600f4i. From what i've seen online, they make about the same hp (around 90), same torque (about 45 ft. lb) and weigh about the same (450lbs). I currently own an f4i and am curious how the cb650 compares to it in real world applications. On paper they appear similar. Yes i know they are technically two different types of bikes and years apart and the f4i is amazing and i shouldn't consider ever getting anything else. Does anyone have real world experience with both bikes? I'd love to hear their thoughts. Thanks!
Nice bike. I think the last inline 4 you reviewed was the GSX-S750. I think If I had the choice, I would go for the Suzuki. I’ll try and get a demo on the Honda at my local dealer. 👍
I was planning on swapping my Gladius for the GSXS 750 next month and had dismissed this bike as not a big enough step up but after this review having second thoughts
I had briefly looked at this one vs the GSX S750 but the Suzuki had the better instrument cluster (this one looks dated), 3 lvls of traction control, and also abs, reliability isn't an issue with either and while still being streetable the Suzuki was just way more fun.
Agree about the headlight should have been round, And a Decent seat for a 2up I hate those seats where you can only get a peanut on instead of the Mrs,,
Good to Know ,,its on my possible List ,, but i do like the CB400Sf better, but the 2018 price rise has blown that out of the list ,, im in the philippines
I am looking to move from my gsx1250fa to a smaller bike more suited to my commuting needs. I tried a honda cb500 but found the difference a bit too much, but noticed this in their showroom. I intend having a test ride next week and am doing a bit of research and found your video most helpful, Thanks
Nice vid MrF and what a lovely day for a ride. Totally agree with your conclusion, great bike for younger riders and commuters. Bit less intimidating than the Street Triple I’d imagine. And a 4 cylinder is definitely lovely to ride. You haven’t tried the Aprilia V-4 Tuono yet, right? That may be interesting!
TheMissendenFlyer ok....I’ll write a snotty letter to Aprilia UK and ask them why they they don’t let motovloggers test their bikes. Might sell a few more! I’ll let you know what the reply is! 😉
...actually that's not actually the case, I know "Lamb Chop Rides" has borrowed a couple in the past so it must be possible....I just need to get off my backside and write to the right man....
TheMissendenFlyer you’d have to find the right dealer who keeps enough bikes in stock.....not all of them do it seems......try LambChops dealer.....look forward to it and good luck! 👍.
Wall-E inspired clocks :)
I had one of these for 2 months as a courtesy bike after an accident last year and was very impressed with it, nice power throughout the rev range, comfortable and looks good for a pillion. When you did the walk around I had a smile. I would have one for sure if I had the money. Great review of what I considered a great bike :)
Had mine almost a year and done over 8k miles on it and for my first big bike it's amazing, it may not be the fastest in that engine bracket but it's handling and stability are what make it dream to ride for me as a relatively new rider
amongst the Japanese manufacturers atleast, this is the fastest in the 650 class.
Hi Flyer, well priced for a Honda 4 cylinder. The 600 engine was bullet proof, this has same bore with longer stroke and detuned should last ages! Come on Honda l'm a "Hornet" not a number, let's give more bikes names 👍
I agree!
Another excellent bike for someone who is just getting into motorcycling or returning to motorcycling. These midsize bikes inspire confidence and they have enough horsepower and are comfortable enough to commute to work or do an all day ride on. Another reason to own one is the cost - they are affordable for most people. By the way, I am still recovering from my health issue - got another 8 weeks to go - and your videos help pass the time. Looking forward to your reviews on the Kawasaki and Triumph.
Hope you get back up on your feet soon Ray - all the best - TMF
Definitely rode the first time in a very long time at a Honda training centre in Melbourne. Witches hats, emergency breaking. Highest mortality rate is amongst mature age riders who haven't ridden for a long time and hopping on a large capacity bike. Good to do a refresher coarse - these people are very good.
Great vid I am seriously considering one of these for my daily commute to work. I think it’s probably the only four cylinder bike that is left in this class now
I think you're right about that. There aren't too many 4-cyl 600 class bikes on the market. That was one of the primary reasons I had no problem paying more for the CB650F over the 2-cyl options from other manufacturers. Get a CB; you won't be disappointed.
whats so good about 4-cyl?
Jesus MLG They run smooth and have a broad torque curve with high HP, and they sound great.
But the CB650F is extremely heavy and doesn't have a gear indicator :(
The CB650F isn't heavy at all. It's not lightweight like a CBR600RR, but it's perfectly easy to handle it at both high and low speeds. Gear indicator can be added on aftermarket if you really want one. I agree they are handy to have but I've been riding fine without one.
I've had the US version (2018 model) since last October. It's a very nice bike if you want something usable in pretty much any sitaution. My take on the CB650F is this:
Weight: Feels right. It is balanced well. The CG is low making it stable. It doesn't feel heavy at low speeds either; very manueverable in parking lots. Easy to walk it around if you need to park it somewhere tight.
Handling: Surprisingly good for a bike that's billed as a commuter / general purpose. Comparing it to a supersport is pretty dumb, so people who do that don't ride and/or don't know what they're talking about. In its class, it's one of the best.
Appearance: I love the looks. The headers are very distinct and the overall styling is great without being over-the-top in any way. You could probably shed a few lbs by swapping the exhaust, but there are no aftermarket exhausts that look as good as stock. Only change I made was a tail tidy.
Controls: All work fine. I swaped the levers to adustable ones. One complaint is the turn signal on mine gets stuck sometimes when trying to activate it.
Fuel: I got about 38 MPG average, and after adding a windscreen, 40 MPG. I highly recommend a windscreen, it improves comfort at high speeds.
Comfort: As for riding position, very good and non-fatiguing. No complaints. The seat is uncomfortable and should be replaced with something better, or re-padded. After about an hour of riding my back starts to hurt...fortunately the seat is easy to swap.
Overall: I wanted a 4-cyl with about 100 HP, and I wanted one with a purpose-built swingarm rather than tubular steel junk (matters more than most think). I didn't want a liter bike or a sportbike because I wanted to be comfortable riding around. The CB650F was 95% what I wanted and I got a good deal on it. Yes, it has a hydroformed aluminum swingarm which you'd find on any high performance bike. It seems to be rare; I've yet to see another rider on a CB650F and I've seen many riders. Great bike for anyone, whether you're just getting started or are a seasoned rider looking for something with more utility than a sportbike and just about as much fun.
Wow - thanks for that!
This is my learner bike. I love it!!
The last time I was on a CB650F I was doing 3 days of training followed by my mod1 and mod2 tests. They had been a bit ragged but they are easy to ride and make a great first bike, training bike and commuter bike. For me though a bit on the dull side against other options on the market.
What are you comparing it to that you conside rto be better than the CB650F?
I have a 2016 model. Took it to The Bol D'or soon after i bought it. Back through France, Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium.
Economical with a great tank range and a reasonable amount of power. Use it every day to commute work.
A great little bike imho.
Good review as always.....lets face it, 650cc 90bhp, more than enough for todays roads, my 18yr old 750f Suzi only has that and I can't use most of that without loosing my ticket or life....modern bikes,smooth, quick, brakes, reliability, usable, put the key in and ride, massive choice, it's a good time to ride these days! Keep up the good work son!
“Ahhhhhh the white van man”
Im finding myself say that now when im behind one
"there isnt too much power but there is enough" depends if your like me and the bike will have around 7 times the power of my 125 XD
Those clocks looked desperately cut price though and next to the characterful 650 twins this does sound bland.
Now its even harder to choose which one to buy. Mt07, sv650, z650, or cb650f. Beginner rider here just looking for an upgrade this year. 95% will be using the bike for commute., in town lots of traffic and stop light. Minimal highway/freeway ride. Please advice.
My SV650 reviews are coming soon.....stay tuned! ;0)
I have watched many motorcycles videos in the last 3 days and look like same 54 people are clicking like to many of these videos, 55 including me 😂😂
Thank you
90 HP not much power!!!!! 90 HP is plenty.
Agreed - enough for real world riding on the road for sure...
48is already at the limit of enought and slightly too much XD
I think in 600-650cc 4 cylinder territory it is not that much, really. But it is very good bike, I owned one for 2 years.
it may be not too much, but the engine is lso not tuned for high performance. but 90hp is still mooore than enough for a normal functioning brain
Mine flies when I open it up. The front wheel lifts up without me even trying and it's a cinch to shift at WOT. More than fast enough for public roads.
I have CB500F 2017 year,i hope the next big bike is cb650f 2018! Because both bikes is so beautifull and so power,cb500f is so easy to driving,nice sound engine and i hope my future bike cb650f is better than cb500f :)
I’m glad you done this review. I don’t think many people are aware of the raft of changes for the 2017 model so well done on pointing it out. Lots of small changes that made a big difference! Only thing it’s lacking is a gear position indicator imo. The CB650F is my first big bike and I think it was and great choice. Very easy to ride and forgiving but still has plenty of poke. As many of its rivals are now twins (SV, MT07,Z650) the 4cyl engine still has the upper hand.
Yes I tend to agree - although I have the SV650 at the moment and I have to say it has a cracking twin engine....
I bought one of these when I passed my test, great bike to start on couldn't fault it at all really, I'm a massive sports bike fan so the cb650f ended up being swapped for a fireblade which is a lot more exciting all round.
This bike is not replacing the Hornet, it’s been tuned to have more urban usable engine. The hornet is constantly asking to be reved up.
Before this bike, Honda were making the 102BHP Hornet 600 which was very very fast as well as the detuned and 76hp CBF600 which is still quite fast and very comfortable on a motorway or a fast road. They discontinued both these bikes in 2014 and then brought out the CB650f which is about halfway between the two bikes in almost every way and spec. Makes sense because the Hornet was overkill and the CBF600 (which I have) is bland in style and unpopular as a model in general. Nice review, might even get one in a year or two.
Lovely bike. Nice and light. Simple. Little screen for touring. Perfect. Ideal do everything bike. Probably even better down light trails than some of the bid adventure stuff.
Like it a lot and great noise too.
Yes that sound is addictive....
TMF - You continue to pump out engaging, comprehensive reviews that give off a warm friendly vibe. So thank you for that sir!
I want to add - My opinion of Honda motorcycles is fairly conflicted. I've only ever had the privilege of riding one motorcycle: My friend loaned me his 2012 Honda CBR250R for a summer a couple years ago, I learned how to ride it within 5-10 minutes I was on the road able to proceed from a stop at a stop sign on a steep incline, I consider(ed) myself a natural but maybe Hondas are just that user friendly? Anyway, at this time I'm not a proud owner of a motorcycle of any kind but I rode that CBR non stop that summer and I (cautiously) consider myself a fairly adept rider and fairly, if I'm honest, a theoretical nerd when it comes to the industry and all its offspring. Honda confuses me though, I am drawn to the quality of materials, excellence of build, design purity (of some) and burnished reputation for bullet proof reliability yet it seems they constantly lag behind the competition performance wise as well as market progression.. i.e. Honda probably won't pursue the 400cc 'beginner class' engine size any time soon and if they do chances are it will be outgun or matched, performance wise by the presumably-obsolete-by-then Yamaha YZF-R3. It's as if Honda assumes it's customer base and potential customer base doesn't want to see Honda engage in any performance wars. Perhaps for the sake of reliability? Safety? I don't know. Surely Honda has the capability to meet or exceed competitions performance benchmarks, why not go for it? Rant over, thanks TMF look forward to more reviews and first impressions!
Cheers
Thanks for the kind words Danny - stay tuned!
This is an excellent review. Far superior to others I have seen and I've just bought one of these.
Thank you!
It's funny, but with all the twins and triples around these days, it's still the in-line fours you hear missing gears in the bypass on a Sunday morning. Long may it continue.
I was surprised how much I liked Joy and Martin's little Hornet hire bike. Loads of fun at more sane speeds. The exhausts on this remind me of the old Honda 400 four. Think the main disappointment is the sound this and most of the other Euro 4 machines make #sewingmachine
Nodded off for a few seconds and then woke up with a jump, just as that Nissan Note started to wander. I thought he was going have us both off the bike! Lol.
just a quickie haha, if you leave it in gear longer and take it closer to redline it actually goes, feels like a vtech
had a 2014 and now have the 2017 bike. no regrets.........dave :)
In your opinion: Is there a significant difference between them? I am searching for a used one and the 2017 models are 800€ - 1000€ more expensive than the 2014 models. I am trying to find out , if the update is worth the money. I could only test ride the 2014 model. Really liked it.
Five answers that require no questions.
1. Dallas, 22 November 1963
2. Neil Armstrong, 21 July 1969
3. 93,000,000 miles
4. Christopher Columbus, 1492.
5. 5'8"
A really good looking bike! Like that a lot! As ever, great review! There are so many good bikes and I think almost anything will be great, so it really is down to the smaller things that are personal taste in these things, like aesthetics.
Exactly right Vernon - thanks for watching once again....
I think it might be a great last big bike too... The only other 4 cylinder bike I had was a HONDA Pan European ST1300 which had an amazing V4 engine. At 208 kg wet (Triumph always give dry weights remember) it is worth having that weight to have a 4 cylinder....
So glad you have reviewed this bike as I own the previous model CBF600N8 and I've ridden this new version from HGB in Ruislip Manor, and I agree with everything you've said 😁👍. So now I know I can trust your reviews 😂 !
Last year I hacked it back on the motorway from Seville to Santander on day one (600 miles) and then on day two to Hertfordshire (800 miles) at a steady 85mph with no aches or pains, and of course it never missed a beat. 59,000 miles, never a problem and still going strong - it's a Honda!
Wow, that's quite a ride!! I wonder if this was the same bike you rode from HGB??
TheMissendenFlyer . No, I rode their black CBR650F, because as you say they're the same other than the raised clip-ons and the fairing. I found out that I am now too old for clip-ons and the screen is ineffectual.
I was also surprised that the extra 15 bhp and 50cc from my version made no discernible difference, which I assume is mainly down to Euro4 compliance.
I cannot get over the hideously outdated front headlamp and the 90's-style dash. This bike deserves a facelift.
When I clicked through to this video, I didn't expect to see you driving through where I live haha.
I've heard you mention not owning an in-line 4 a few times in your reviews. I'm expecting a comments kicking for this but from my experience I'd say don't buy one to add to your twins/triple stable unless it's for track days. I've owned just one; a Yamaha FZ1n which I had at the same time as an MT03 single and a Street Triple about 8-10 years ago. After the initial buzz of riding the new FZ I found I would always end up taking out the MT despite the woeful power comparison on paper or the Street Triple. I just found the in-line 4 engine too bland compared to the other two engines and from 0-60 there really wasn't much between them in acceleration either. We all know the 4s have all their power hiding so far up the rev range that you have to be in a certain type of mood (read 'risk losing yer license mood') to really get the most out of them.....even when they've been re-tuned as most of the nakeds have been. Singles, twins and triples (and V4s like my lovely old duffer of a VFR800 pre-vtech thingy) on the other hand; masses of torque right where you want it for the street. Perfect.
Great review, I've ridden this bike in London and loved it, so much fun. TMF, looking forward to the CB1000R Neo café racer... when it's out that is. I'll be looking for that review👍
i saw it in our honda dealer on saturday, that thing is gorgeous. and they made the 125 version spankingly attractive
Wonder if the day will come when 1000cc+ bike’s will be seen as excessive as the rocket fins on 1950’s American cars?
The only gripe i have with my 2017 CBR650F is i find 6th gear ratio is still rather short i find myself on a faster piece of road, trying to click up another gear. And the lack of gear position indicator dont help somtimes with the gearbox being close ratio. But other than that its fine.. exhaust note / induction roar is nice but its my first big bike so cant compare to much anyhow.
yeah, but its smaller brother, the cb500f, has speed striped as a graphic, and has we know having those make it goes way faster
Don't slate the 500, it's a brilliant little bike
I really like inline fours and the Honda 650F. A real quality piece. I do wish it had belt drive. You mentioned the “white van” issue in London traffic. Here in Florida, near Tampa, it seems that every fourth vehicle is a pickup truck pulling a trailer with lawn equipment. Thanks again. Ride safe.
Yes I'd heard that about Florida before Jeff, must make a note to self.....
I have it, like it BUT:
1. No gear indicator, I would really like one
2. No helmet lock, I would like to have one if not two
3. No center stand, just a side stand
4. No temperature gauge
I got Honda after having Yamaha FZ6 for 5-6 years. Yamaha had a most of those things that make life easier
Great Review, thanks
My pleasure
I test rode one of the older ones 2 years ago before I bought a Street Triple. I remember it being boring. Now that my Triumph has been stolen I tried the newer CB650 today. It's improved a lot! I think the biggest disappointment last time was the noise, this year's version though sounds like a proper inline 4! If I buy it I suspect I will use a lot of fuel.
Sorry to hear about your Street Andrew :0(
TheMissendenFlyer so was I. I want another Street Triple really but feel I should take the opportunity to try what's out there.
Andy - thanks so much for the great review - so much in fact, I now own one of these.
You mentioned that the CB650F was an A2 bike in the clip and this is true, provided you apply a restriction accessory kit that cuts the power in half! The standard 90 bhp bike is full (i.e. A) licence stuff.
For the avoidance of doubt, the A2 criteria after passing the test is:
No more than 35kW (47bhp) and a power-to-weight ratio of no more than 0.2kW/0.26bhp per kg with a MINIMUM weight of 175kg to stop say the lightweight 250s busting a hole through the legislation.
I understand the old 650F couldn't be restricted but helpfully, this one officially can.
Kevin: my reading of the regs is that the 175 kg minimum weight applies only to bikes at the maximum 35 kW power output, and not to all A2 bikes: 35/175=0.2. Bikes making less power can be lighter. Take the KTM Duke 390, 149 kgs dry, about 165 wet, with 32 kW gives a fraction under 0.2 kW/kg.
Hi Christopher: Yes I understand that's correct so if you want to ride a bike using the full 47 bhp then it will need to come in with a minimum kerb weight of 175 kg. And the other side of the coin therefore is that some lightweight bikes with less than 47bhp are not A2 legal.
Going back to the Honda, I wonder what a restricted CB650F feels like in practice?
Another great review..I am a Honda fan and I love 4 cylinder bikes BUT this is hugely dull looking..does nothing for me but am sure it's a lovely bike.
It rides beautifully, but I agree the looks aren't anything special...
I think the faired version looks better than this naked version.
Wish they brought back the Hornet, in my opinion better styling and more power!
A grand more than my 10 yr old gs....seems like good value for a brand new ujm.
Love the microfone on the video when you riding the motorcycle any chance you can share it us about it... Im new in the motorcycling so sorry if its strange questions....
It's nice bike, in looks, sound, weight and handling. I like especially that Honda managed to get an inline 4 in at that weight.
The Honda Hornet reborn.......sounds lovely, call me impressed....TMF
Shame they didn't call it the Hornet I reckon...
yep real Shame the name alone sounds so good and evil....LOL
I don't think this bike matches the performance of the Hornet to warrant the name, does it?
not a patch on the Hornet, even if on paper it outperforms it. I've got a CB650F and believe me, I'd rather have a carbed Hornet any day
Even my Honda dealer said to me "it's not really a replacement for the Hornet."
Why do they go thru all the expense and extra work to have 4 cylinders with only a 650 engine? Wow 90 hp now i see why; they put out quite a bit of power, huh?
Yes, quite a bit of go for a relatively small engine...sounds fabulous too...
This is the bike my driving school used as a training bike. I liked it. It's a solid, useful bike. Good for beginners and commuters alike.
Cheers Zea....
Brilliant review once again TMF :) lovely engine noise when you parked it up to do the walkaround, it's got a lovely deep rumble about it. Those front brakes are bigger than on my Versys 1k!ahah
Hello TheMissendenFlyer from Aus thanks for another great video. If you're ever in QLD Aus, hit me up. Always like your videos, but nobody ever seems to take a look under the seat. I realise most bikes will be similar, my CBR can fit a small onion, and the Super Duke R has a cellphone holder under the seat. Is this something you could check out during your walk around?
Good idea! I'll think about it for future vids...
Can yu do yamaha mt07
Another bike you would buy with your head, not your heart. Good step up from a 125
Martin Frost Why do you say that?
Spot on. And just what I did! Was planning to trade in next year but might try to hang on to it as a commuter...
rockafella1690 That's easy Mate, it's because he's a snob.
Den Crane 😂😂😂
you bet I am !
A friend rides one and seems a great bike. Was disappointing to find the exhaust is one piece from the headers to silencer
Is the Honda 400 Super Four available where you live? That would be an 80s flashback review.
Nope...
Great review - thanks. Picked mine up from the dealer yesterday and very pleased with it. I had the NC750S but that gave no grin factor, where as this one does. Looked at several in this category but plumbed for this due to personal preference. Now to get some miles covered 😃. Cheers for the review.
Enjoy David!
The bike was ruined by Honda sticking those ugly boxes on each side
Another great review. Any chance of you getting hold of a CCM? I love the fact that you review the full range of bikes in various CC's. I would love to see a review if the CCM GP 450 Adventure as well as the Spitfire models (although I believe they are like hens teeth).
I’d love a go on one of the new CCMs - as you say, hens teeth!
Had a chance to ride one of these today for a few hours.
What an improvement over the older model!
Judging from the video, this bike appears really well designed. Purposeful and refined. More so to me than the twin cylinder MT-07. Great impression review of what appears to be a very sensible bike. Thank you, TMF for bringing us this one!
You’re welcome
A nice practical lightweight machine for everyday use, with enough power for some out of town weekend fun. A fair new price and being a Honda you know the finish will probably outlast the lesser quality brands. I agree that it would look better with a round headlight and what is the purpose of those ugly black things attached to each side of the tank? The relatively minimal electronic package means it should help hold its second-hand value too, as when they go wrong they are often difficult to diagnose and expensive to replace. Many modern bikes are scrapped when they go beyond economic repair. I think Honda is on to a winner here, as a kind of slightly upmarket, ever popular, Suzuki Bandit. Another a great review.
Cheers Geoff...
Nice commuter bike. Seems like a fair price too, anything sub 7k seems cheap these days. Enjoyed the review.
Yeah, crazy isn't it...cheers - TMF
I´m getting myself my own 2018 version of this bike tomorrow and your video just reminded me how stoked i am to ride it! Really really apreciate such a calm video.
Brilliant- enjoy!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Rode it for about 100km today. Great great experience! Gonna hope for nice weather next week :D
Yess I'm first to comment. Great review and I'm also a big fan of honda motorcycles.
But did you have a chance to watch the video Monty?
Found this video very useful, have been looking for my first larger cc bike, as my test is not too far away now. Must admit i prefer the cb650r as looks go, able to add matching panniers. Think 90 bhp is as you say going to be just right for newbies like myself, downside for me is the price, which is slightly more expensive than some other models i have been looking at, but definitely one on the short list.
Exciting times getting your first "big" bike...enjoy and ride safe!
Very much agree re the "good first bike" post provisional licence. In 1986 after passing my test I acquired a Yamaha XZ550 (a rather unlikely machine in terms of configuration and which, if memory serves, had a reputation for handling like a length of rebar in a bath of molasses....I only later discovered this). Any road up it was more than powerful enough and anything bigger would have been too much.....as indeed I found out in September of that year when I stuffed a Police BMW R80 RT into the tarmac on my advanced motorcycling course! Too much too soon as they say...which yawn inducing rambling does at least serve to show that good reviews and sound advice such as this is one distinct advantage over the rip roaring 70s and 80s....;-)
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
any chance of you reviewing the suzuki SV650 2017 as it's a very popular VTWIN
Yep - coming soon!
Nice bike. Personally, if I was to find one negative point about this model Honda, it's that they seem a bit bland and vanilla; where to me - whilst I do like a motorbike to be practical and reliable, etc - I also want a motorcycle to have a little bit of spice and flavour too, something a bit exciting and fun. As they say, you buy a motorcycle with your heart, not just your brain. But it's a great commuter bike.
Yes I completely agree - it's a lovely sounding bike and rides beautifully, but it is missing that certain something to my eyes..
I'd need to agree. It's ok, bland but ok, miles behind the Street Triple and GSXS 750 (accepted it's got a bigger engine) though. The dash looks like something out of an Austin Metro.
In other words a typical Honda really.
I like the bronze on some of Honda's motors.
Could you please test the honda cb 1000r 2018.
I'll see what I can do!
Great review TMF. I had the Hornet as my first big bike which was mostly used for commuting, and it really was a quality bike, never let me down, like yourself not sure about headlights transformer looks but for a new rider sure you can't go wrong with this in your garage.
I've waited you so long to review this machine. Thank you!
Sorry for the long wait!
Another great every man review, well done fella. 👍🏻
Thank you....
6.20 … all those right lane hoggers
I really like your revues. Thanks for doing them.
You're very welcome Don - thanks for the kind feedback.....
Thanks, another top review. I'll comment while your country-folk are still snoring soundly. Honda seem to get their bikes really right or really wrong. This seems like one of those bikes where it all looks good on paper and it's probably reliable and well built, but its physical looks are pretty awful and pedestrian. It looks like they couldn't decide whether to make it angular or mean, or go for the look of those 125cc Pulsar things that are popular in India. I guess it is what it is, a cheap and cheerful daily. You'd really have to not care about appearances to get one though.
.....this bike rides lovely and if you're in the market for a midsize naked is well worth a test ride. In the end, if the looks don't do it for you though, then it's not the bike for you I agree....
It looks fine, dude. It's a naked bike. There's not much in the way of styling that can be done, unless you were hoping for the overused exposed trellis frame look. The CB650F has a hydroformed aluminum swingarm which already puts it in a class above many bikes with the cheaper bikes with box steel swingarms.
You must have bad taste in naked bikes. Looks sounds and is faster than alot of naked bikes in the 600 class
Thanks for respecting the hearse.
I'm from a cruiser background, but couldn't resist a recent test-drive on the new CB650f. The riding position placed too much weight on my wrists. No thanks.
Fair enough! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
Yeah seems a nice bike, sounds reasonably priced, if was looking for a new bike, would be one to consider.
90 cvs can get u lots of troubles
1:54 "Can CBhind me"
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@@TheMissendenFlyer It's a pun. "Can see behind me" sounds like "Can CBhind me" and you said it whilst riding a CB.
Nice review! I know that is quite a different category... but how is the difference with the duke390? It feels less torque at low rpm? Hello from Vietnam!
A completely different ride in every way....
Hehe... Ok, I will try it... Easier to know... Thanks for the reply ;P I subscribed to your channel!
Yeap, I am agree with your... Currently I ride a duke390. And I could say that is enough for me at the moment... The acceleration is 5,50s from 0-100km/h, later is slower. The torque is in the meddium, like monster 821 but in scale. I didn't try the Z650, but I think the change is very small, with worse softer suspension and more weight. I think I will stay wiht a duke390 and if I need to change I will do with a z800 or monster 821 which is much more expensive here. Ride safe!
Add , you again
Hello. You are allways nagging about this bike, as a LITTLE nice bike!!!. With 205 kg , compaired to Susuki 186 kg or fireblade 198 kg,. Where did you find out about the little bike from? Thanks
I'm debating between this and a cb500f as a first bike. Would this bike be too much for a mature adult Male to learn on?
If you’re careful you’ll be fine - a great first “big bike” I reckon....
I just buy the 2018 model and you can't compare this one with sv 650 its way more fast and quicker........i did have 2004 suzuki sv650 and there is huge difference on how bike delivery power good job honda 👏 👍
Hows the CB650F compare with the SV650?
More refined (smoother) but less character
I’m a 40 year old and looking for my first bike. Is this too much for a beginner?
No - perfect I would say....
Perhaps youtube can help.
I'm curious how these cb650 bikes compare to the cbr 600f4i. From what i've seen online, they make about the same hp (around 90), same torque (about 45 ft. lb) and weigh about the same (450lbs). I currently own an f4i and am curious how the cb650 compares to it in real world applications. On paper they appear similar. Yes i know they are technically two different types of bikes and years apart and the f4i is amazing and i shouldn't consider ever getting anything else.
Does anyone have real world experience with both bikes? I'd love to hear their thoughts. Thanks!
Nice bike. I think the last inline 4 you reviewed was the GSX-S750. I think If I had the choice, I would go for the Suzuki. I’ll try and get a demo on the Honda at my local dealer. 👍
You have an excellent memory Richard!
I was planning on swapping my Gladius for the GSXS 750 next month and had dismissed this bike as not a big enough step up but after this review having second thoughts
I had briefly looked at this one vs the GSX S750 but the Suzuki had the better instrument cluster (this one looks dated), 3 lvls of traction control, and also abs, reliability isn't an issue with either and while still being streetable the Suzuki was just way more fun.
Another great review
Agree about the headlight should have been round, And a Decent seat for a 2up I hate those seats where you can only get a peanut on instead of the Mrs,,
The Fly depends on the size of the wife😅
I'm a solid 6 tall and my wife is a 5.5, it's like sitting on a couch for both of us.
Good to Know ,,its on my possible List ,, but i do like the CB400Sf better, but the 2018 price rise has blown that out of the list ,, im in the philippines
I am looking to move from my gsx1250fa to a smaller bike more suited to my commuting needs. I tried a honda cb500 but found the difference a bit too much, but noticed this in their showroom.
I intend having a test ride next week and am doing a bit of research and found your video most helpful, Thanks
Nice vid MrF and what a lovely day for a ride. Totally agree with your conclusion, great bike for younger riders and commuters. Bit less intimidating than the Street Triple I’d imagine. And a 4 cylinder is definitely lovely to ride. You haven’t tried the Aprilia V-4 Tuono yet, right? That may be interesting!
Correct - sadly I don't have access to any Aprilia dealers and hence have never ridden any of the marque...
TheMissendenFlyer ok....I’ll write a snotty letter to Aprilia UK and ask them why they they don’t let motovloggers test their bikes. Might sell a few more! I’ll let you know what the reply is! 😉
...actually that's not actually the case, I know "Lamb Chop Rides" has borrowed a couple in the past so it must be possible....I just need to get off my backside and write to the right man....
TheMissendenFlyer you’d have to find the right dealer who keeps enough bikes in stock.....not all of them do it seems......try LambChops dealer.....look forward to it and good luck! 👍.