Matsuri: It’s not often I have HoloStars appearing in my comments! It’s probably because Matsuri always end up scaring them off anytime she interacts with them 😂
As someone who watches all sorts of vtubers(whether its from a big agency, small agency, indie, and no matter what gender), I can confirm Matsuri visits and comments to a lot of them lol. Theres so many times that I tune in on live streams, and then suddenly she visits and comments, even to vtubers(guy and girl equally) that you dont see her collab or interact a lot.
Axel is a pretty nice guy. Doesn't really matter who shows up in his chat, if it's a senpai he'll show up in their stream to send his own message to return the favor.
A little funny coincidence is that Axel wants to see if it's possible to organize a HoloBaka contest and some time ago Matsuri had that same idea as well, they should really just work togheter on it.
That last bit is the real deal. Matsuri has appeared in Axel's chat on occasion (speaking in, more or less, the same blended-in style lol) both before and after the time of this stream. She's always been willing to connect with other talents tho, irrespective of branch, but it's cool to see how she acts on the receiving end.
As a very new beginner to learning Japanese, I’ve often found it difficult to determine what the subject is of a sentence. It seems to be implied a lot. Glad to see it’s not just me, even natives irl are asking Matsuri what the subject of her sentences are lol.
It's also something that throws machine translations off. For anyone who's ever seen google translates gives you weird stuff about how "I" or "she" or "he" is doing something when it makes no sense, it's because the subject was implied and the machine had no idea who the sentence was about so it will just randomly pick a pronoun. So a Miko tweet saying like "I burned my house down!" being replied to by a Japanese fan will literally say "very dangerous shrine priestess", but what he means is "She (MIko) is a very dangerous shrine priestess" but the google does not know that so lots of times you'll get stuff like "I'm a very dangerous shrine priestess" because it has no idea of the context so just decided to go with "I" this time.
@@porkcutlet3920 It's just that Japanese doesn't have too many conjugations that imply the subject. For example, in Armenian, we have conjugations of the copula "To be" that imply the subject without putting the pronoun in. For example: Ուզում եմ(Uzum Em(I)want it) Ուզում էնք(Uzum Enq(We) want it) Ուզում է(Uzum E(They(singular) want it) Ուղում են(Uzum En(They(plural) want it). I don't know how many languages have this but Armenian does. Maybe some languages with grammatical gender have it too, Idk. Oh, and btw, you read my examples exactly as you see them(Hint: Not an English way of pronouncing it).
Brian was probably hidden in comments because of his new name. Though it's always nice to see fellow holomem's watching other holomem's, and Matsuri's reaction is super cute.
Great work on the clip! One small correction - 3:09 土足で入っていくタイプの女 Just, like, walk into their rooms with my shoes all dirty. Matsuri do be bustin' down the walls uninvited into her colleagues' comments.
Matsuri: I'd totally go cmmenting in the chat of my peers! Not just commenting, she straight-up joining Roberu membership using her superchat account during last Roberu zatsudan stream lol.
she is working with company that has legal working permits with copyrights and all. she is only saying please say if its AI art if you make it from AI, instead of saying you made it yourself like any other human artists
yeah it's gotten to a point that even on pixiv people have to explicitly tag their art as AI if it is, otherwise they will either be shunned or banished entirely. AI art is good for some things, like vin diesel being megaman but people shouldn't claim they created it when it was auto generated.
@@professorpenne9962 AI art technology will be very very beneficial to human artists too. but the only problem is where the AI got their data to train? if all their training data is legal they are wonderful
@@lqfr8813 yeah that's where it's a grey area for sure, legalities. it had to generate the art from somewhere, right? as a tool for new artists to practice drawing over, awesome. sadly some people will go on websites like twitter where art isn't very well regulated and just claim they made what was generated by a program.
@@professorpenne9962 there is another way to make it legal. generate from AI program using prompt no art reference from other artists, if the user draw themself by using the generated AI art as reference, that will be a legal art from human. . as far as i know, as long as the prompt doesnt use reference art from any artist, they wont have similar results to any art on internet. . the examples you saw on some posts about how it is very similar to original art, im pretty sure they use it as reference to generate new AI art
Even if that's not what Matsuri meant, that's what it comes down to. A.I. "art" is all about maximizing the technique, but at the expense of the "soul" of the artist.
I guess when she talked about "love", the effort behind it was implied as indirect reflection of creator's intent, rather than direct self-expression of the artist
@@MrCh0o Her first tweet about the AI fan arts is literally just the same "please draw fan arts by hands" and "please do not post AI art as fan art and/or claim as your own art" that others are asking about as well, which is a very normal thing to ask since AI art is pretty much an copyright hell hole at the very start without even talking about all the other problems, the ppl rage off yelling "you calling us don't have love?" is just ppl that wants to rage for the reason of raging or drama.
I mean, she would be right about AI art anyway if she said it had no heart. I admit that it can produce a generally ‘good’ result these days (provided you aren’t looking too closely), but the ‘style’ it generates is becoming bland and homogenised. Even the Anime Waifu images have a certain sameness to them that’s somehow more noticeable than the obvious anatomy mistakes. It feels like they were made on an assembly line. Just taking pieces and putting them together for the most ‘pleasing’ result.
As long as they chase the "optimal" result that's based on the perfect average preference, I suppose so. The goal is probably to make stuff indistinguishable from something drawn by a human at this point, which is easier to do by eliminating other variables and making tons of similar results, while diversifying is the next stage once that is achieved
I know it's not the entire point here, but wouldn't it be rather easy to just add an ai art tag? Spoken of course as an individual who produces no art of any sort.
Eh it's not really necessary, since talents will ego search anything with their content on it. Sure, making an AI art tag makes it easier, but it really depends on how eager is the talent willing to look at them anyway
@@SoraRaida true that. It does seem like an efficient way to silence the controversy though. That said, it's really just another proof that If sentient ai is possible, we won't know it's there until it is, and probably has been.
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Axel really sent the first message like he's one of us LOL
Pretty sure the majority of new holomems are ones of us
forgot to switch to the alt 😩
I know *I’d* forget I’m a member now when I’m just in chat LOL, the rare downside of being a fan first I imagine
He's just like us fr fr.
Well he is an OG matsurisu.
Matsuri: It’s not often I have HoloStars appearing in my comments!
It’s probably because Matsuri always end up scaring them off anytime she interacts with them 😂
Cries in bullied aru
We must protec boys from girl in hololive😭
@@rektl2036 yeah. Aru papa gonna get bullied today as well
drunk matsuri showing up is pretty much his worst nightmare
@@blaaahh7867 my man chopped off his dick and threw it away because of her.. RIP
matsuri : "how should i call you? kun? san?"
Chats : "Brian... call him Brian..."
"Good boy!"
I thought he's furry?
If Axel is Brian, Kobo is Stewie?
@@xXpacocapXx Oh no, that actually fits her LOL
@@xXpacocapXx it would cause so much chaos
As someone who watches all sorts of vtubers(whether its from a big agency, small agency, indie, and no matter what gender), I can confirm Matsuri visits and comments to a lot of them lol. Theres so many times that I tune in on live streams, and then suddenly she visits and comments, even to vtubers(guy and girl equally) that you dont see her collab or interact a lot.
Indeed, she is the OG ascendent fans, that became a vtubers long before the boom. One of the many reasons i like her.
Axel is a pretty nice guy. Doesn't really matter who shows up in his chat, if it's a senpai he'll show up in their stream to send his own message to return the favor.
A little funny coincidence is that Axel wants to see if it's possible to organize a HoloBaka contest and some time ago Matsuri had that same idea as well, they should really just work togheter on it.
Hmmm
I like this ideal
Oh that's a fun coincidence, they do seem like a duo that could do a nice job organizing such a thing.
That last bit is the real deal. Matsuri has appeared in Axel's chat on occasion (speaking in, more or less, the same blended-in style lol) both before and after the time of this stream. She's always been willing to connect with other talents tho, irrespective of branch, but it's cool to see how she acts on the receiving end.
That’s so wholesome, gotta love it when branches interact, it’s like a big family
Glass Cannon
ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US
"so this is how it feels..." Matsuri probably
I'm imagining her "I love all Vtubers" response with that heavy breathing face that's so memetic to her now, it's on her nendoroid.
As a very new beginner to learning Japanese, I’ve often found it difficult to determine what the subject is of a sentence. It seems to be implied a lot. Glad to see it’s not just me, even natives irl are asking Matsuri what the subject of her sentences are lol.
It's also something that throws machine translations off. For anyone who's ever seen google translates gives you weird stuff about how "I" or "she" or "he" is doing something when it makes no sense, it's because the subject was implied and the machine had no idea who the sentence was about so it will just randomly pick a pronoun.
So a Miko tweet saying like "I burned my house down!" being replied to by a Japanese fan will literally say "very dangerous shrine priestess", but what he means is "She (MIko) is a very dangerous shrine priestess" but the google does not know that so lots of times you'll get stuff like "I'm a very dangerous shrine priestess" because it has no idea of the context so just decided to go with "I" this time.
Omitting subjects is the same for other languages though?
@@porkcutlet3920 For sure, but since we're talking about Japanese here, that's obviously the topic here.
@@porkcutlet3920 It's just that Japanese doesn't have too many conjugations that imply the subject. For example, in Armenian, we have conjugations of the copula "To be" that imply the subject without putting the pronoun in.
For example:
Ուզում եմ(Uzum Em(I)want it)
Ուզում էնք(Uzum Enq(We) want it)
Ուզում է(Uzum E(They(singular) want it)
Ուղում են(Uzum En(They(plural) want it).
I don't know how many languages have this but Armenian does. Maybe some languages with grammatical gender have it too, Idk.
Oh, and btw, you read my examples exactly as you see them(Hint: Not an English way of pronouncing it).
@@SoraRaida ...and that's why I made a comparison to other languages.
I felt the IT example on personal level lol. it feels weird working while someone is watching behind/beside you
Well, as long as they aren't *too* judgmental, at least you can learn something from such an experience x)
lmfao Matsuri is so pure...
You sure about that? Have you seen the collab she did in Roberu's channel?
Yeah, I remember Marine saying that Matsuri is surprisingly shy in real life.
@@nem1172 Matsuri has:
ATK: 9000
DEF: 0
@@nem1172 Hololive #1 Glass Cannon
Are we watching the same Matsuri? Lol
Brian was probably hidden in comments because of his new name. Though it's always nice to see fellow holomem's watching other holomem's, and Matsuri's reaction is super cute.
Great work on the clip! One small correction -
3:09 土足で入っていくタイプの女 Just, like, walk into their rooms with my shoes all dirty.
Matsuri do be bustin' down the walls uninvited into her colleagues' comments.
I imagine this isn't the first time Axel has been lurking in Matsuri's chat lol
Makes me wonder if Matsuri did pair programming in the past. The IT worker comment is very relatable.
Matsuri: Axel, what should I call you?
Kobo: Excuse me, his name is Brian.
Matsuri: I'd totally go cmmenting in the chat of my peers!
Not just commenting, she straight-up joining Roberu membership using her superchat account during last Roberu zatsudan stream lol.
Matsuri joining the membership was srsly gold lol
Just refer him normally...
*"Brian"*
I like to think that Axel was using the wrong account here, my boy was just too casual www
2:55 ahh yes, 100 ATK and 0 DEF, glass cannon Summer Color Festival.
She was in Axel’s chat when he was playing Gundam. I hope she picks it up too since it’s an fps and sadly no one really plays apex anymore
Did she show up in Axels chat before or after this stream? 🤔
nobody plays apex? pretty sure that's what astel plays 90% of the time lol
zombie idol vtuber kukukureijiii ollie desu
@@edenromanov before. That’s why he said this @2:56
it's really inevitble at this point. apex has been pretty dry lately and splatoon 3 and ow2 just came out. Also Valorant is snowballing rn in japan
It's nice to see Axel & the boys slipping into the senpais' chats. uwu
Meanwhile somewhere Arupapa just felt a disturbance and felt the sudden need to warn his new kouhai to turn away before it was too late.
A man of true culture I see.
She could call him Baka Inu lol
I approb . 👍
Or just Brian...
Excel.
Axelent idea
ssg Glass Cannon Matsuri
she is working with company that has legal working permits with copyrights and all. she is only saying please say if its AI art if you make it from AI, instead of saying you made it yourself like any other human artists
yeah it's gotten to a point that even on pixiv people have to explicitly tag their art as AI if it is, otherwise they will either be shunned or banished entirely. AI art is good for some things, like vin diesel being megaman but people shouldn't claim they created it when it was auto generated.
@@professorpenne9962 AI art technology will be very very beneficial to human artists too. but the only problem is where the AI got their data to train? if all their training data is legal they are wonderful
@@lqfr8813 yeah that's where it's a grey area for sure, legalities. it had to generate the art from somewhere, right? as a tool for new artists to practice drawing over, awesome. sadly some people will go on websites like twitter where art isn't very well regulated and just claim they made what was generated by a program.
@@professorpenne9962 there is another way to make it legal. generate from AI program using prompt no art reference from other artists, if the user draw themself by using the generated AI art as reference, that will be a legal art from human.
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as far as i know, as long as the prompt doesnt use reference art from any artist, they wont have similar results to any art on internet.
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the examples you saw on some posts about how it is very similar to original art, im pretty sure they use it as reference to generate new AI art
@ spɹɐʍʞɔɐᗺ yes need more elaboration pls
Axel and Matsuri are one of us! And yeah. Language is difficult.
2:33 I can kinda understand that lol
"So you're saying that AI drawings have no love behind them?"
Yes.
Axel probably forgot to change his account lmao
Probably.. Just like that time Lui forget to change her account when chatting in Korone's stream
This is exactly how it should be, good to see it happen.
Axel-kouhai
just call him a lil guy brian
God is always misunderstood in one way or another Matsuri-kami-san.
The god also could be nervous
call him brian 👍
"So you are saying AI drawings have no love behind them?"
"Yes"
Lowkey expected her to throw Axel Onii-chan too😂
Nice interaction. ❤
You can call him Brian.
I seem to be missing some lore, why 'Brian' ?
@@K..C Kobo gave him that name when they collabed in Valorant. Like some sort of dog named Brian. 🤣
@@tiagoh.4120 tskr for the lore lmao
@@tiagoh.4120 it's a reference to family guy, a dog named Brian
Omfg talking dog brian... Griffin
Griffin is flying type, tempus is wind. Airbud?
No matsuri,, you should call him brian
Imagine axel replied with chat that says, "iinu ga iiyo" that'll be hella funny
BRIAN desu
Even if that's not what Matsuri meant, that's what it comes down to. A.I. "art" is all about maximizing the technique, but at the expense of the "soul" of the artist.
I guess when she talked about "love", the effort behind it was implied as indirect reflection of creator's intent, rather than direct self-expression of the artist
@@MrCh0o Her first tweet about the AI fan arts is literally just the same "please draw fan arts by hands" and "please do not post AI art as fan art and/or claim as your own art" that others are asking about as well, which is a very normal thing to ask since AI art is pretty much an copyright hell hole at the very start without even talking about all the other problems, the ppl rage off yelling "you calling us don't have love?" is just ppl that wants to rage for the reason of raging or drama.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they suddenly do a collab cover since Matsuri has previously done some work with StarsJP
AI drawings have no love behind them
I mean, she would be right about AI art anyway if she said it had no heart. I admit that it can produce a generally ‘good’ result these days (provided you aren’t looking too closely), but the ‘style’ it generates is becoming bland and homogenised. Even the Anime Waifu images have a certain sameness to them that’s somehow more noticeable than the obvious anatomy mistakes. It feels like they were made on an assembly line. Just taking pieces and putting them together for the most ‘pleasing’ result.
As long as they chase the "optimal" result that's based on the perfect average preference, I suppose so. The goal is probably to make stuff indistinguishable from something drawn by a human at this point, which is easier to do by eliminating other variables and making tons of similar results, while diversifying is the next stage once that is achieved
@@MrCh0o maybe. I suppose that may be difficult though.
nice will Matsuri corrupt Axel next or Nodoka first ?
Awww it's so kind for Brian to visit Matsuri xD
Matsuri, you've traumatized HolostarsJP, don't think they'll visit your stream willingly🤣
Who's axel?
I think his name is Brian right?
Bah the cringe is a universal language anyway a cringe so strong can even affect you physically.
Excel Brian*
Dont worry - the Holostars wont take away our Oshi's xD
Indeed. She'll drive them to madness to where they flee in terror instead.
Such is the power of Matsuri.
the guy only has eyes on nodoka
It's a proven fact that it's it's the guys who have more to fear from the girls than vice versa. RIP Vesper
especially matsuri, I lost count of how many times she has tourmented pizza pappa lol
Laughs in having a holostar and hololive as kamioshis
No one can really comprehend God, humans are pathetic. We're sorry
I know it's not the entire point here, but wouldn't it be rather easy to just add an ai art tag? Spoken of course as an individual who produces no art of any sort.
Eh it's not really necessary, since talents will ego search anything with their content on it. Sure, making an AI art tag makes it easier, but it really depends on how eager is the talent willing to look at them anyway
@@SoraRaida true that. It does seem like an efficient way to silence the controversy though.
That said, it's really just another proof that If sentient ai is possible, we won't know it's there until it is, and probably has been.