"CJ on your tombstone it's gonna read 'Post Hoc Ergo, Proctor Hoc'" "Okay but none of my visitors are going to understand my tombstone" LOL, gets me everytime.
That's my favourite part. The fact that (as Bartlett points out), basically everyone in the room is a lawyer but one of the few who isn't is the one who knows the answer.
It's so crazy to me as a lifelong resident that in the late 90s a democrat had a fighting chance in Texas. The alternate universe of TWW seems to indicate the Southern Strategy didn't work and Texas stayed more purple than the big cities.
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Written by Aaron Sorkin. Directed by Thomas Schlamme. Those were the days.
+Francisco G. III camera angles, they film the same scene twice but at different angles and then put it together. Sad thing is that they tend to forget whether small details (glasses for example) are removed from someones face or not. So they just keep it because it was a good take and hope that the audience doesn't notice the eff up. but i'm sure you knew that already. :p
Some shows do. If you've ever heard of "multi-camera sitcoms" and "single-camera shows", well, that's what they're talking about. Multi-camera is indeed faster and easier to shoot. But you can only film from certain angles since, of course, you don't want to film a other camera on the other side of the shot! So the director has more control over the scene with single camera and in general the photography is more dynamic and flexible than if you're stuck with a few fixed positions. You can Google "single camera" and "multi camera" to get a lot of links explaining those two styles.
The only lawyers in the room (that I saw) were Josh and Sam. Josh gave it a shot and Sam kept quiet. By profession: Bartlet - economics professor. Leo - corporate executive. CJ - public relations. Toby - political operative and writer. Sam - practicing attorney. Josh - political strategist (non-practicing attorney)..
People at this level routinely have law degrees as well, don't hold me to this I can't swear these exact people do but lots of gov officials have both.
Sam. Josh. Leo. Those three for sure. I remember Leo making a comment in season 2 about taking a leave and joining Josh’s legal team if he chose to sue for getting shot
PluralArch Its pretty much true. The midwest and the South don't like educated candidates. Or at least they don't like educated candidates showing that they're educated, because these are areas where there are less educated people, unfortunately. What this translates to is a society that often doesn't like the educated, and so brands them as snotty. That's why Southern politicians, from the Ivy League to the High School Diploma, the southern elite to the farmers, Southern candidates try to look folksy. "I'm no scientist, but...", "I'm a simple man, but..."
I don't know, my experience of politics is the people getting the work done really aren't terribly bright. And most of them are only a little bit smarter than the average voter.
1:18 Glasses in right hand. Clearly the scene was shot at least twice and pieces of multiple takes were used to get all the angles... ...and Sheen was playing with his prop glasses like Horatio Caine with his signature shades.
He's saying that the average Texan is too dumb to know that he was the better candidate. Has nothing to do with his speaking Latin. When CJ says, "When you learned to speak Latin", and Bartlet replies, "Go figure" what he's saying is: he was too sophisticated for the mass of country dumpkisses in Texas. He was saying it without actually saying it.
No... he's saying that flaunting an Ivy League education... or in Bartlett's case, Notre Dame... Might gain votes in New York & California... but it doesn't sell well with the Big Belt Buckle, Big Ego of Texas. Now where the show said a state sends up an empty shirt for Presidential Nominee... That would be "Florida Governor" Ritchie... who in his 2 appearances, sounds more like someone trying to sound & act like a Texan republican nominee...
Previously on the West Wing... *Josh Lyman says something concisely summing up why everyone's in a blue mood* *President says what* *Josh repeats sentence* *President is taken aback*
Nate River - Not according to Jed in the episode (can't remember chaper/verse) where they have one guy sit in the Oval Office in case the meeting that the President is in gets blown up. "Do you have a best friend?" "Yes, sir!" "Is he smarter than you?" "Yes, sir!" "He's your chief of staff."
I'm Pennsylvania we elected Rick Santorum not once but TWICE. California voted on Newsom. NY Cuomo and Clinton (I hate Trump for the record). Every damn state has elected some jackasses and this country have elected plenty to the white house from both parties.
Josh's Latin is rusty. He's basically show he's the political enforcer for wrangling votes. Bartlett's kind of pulling a Teddy Roosevelt... he speaks softly... and Josh is the Big Stick.
@KJamesB It had Democratic majorities in the legislature and House delegation until 2003, yes, but Carter was the last Democrat to win it in a presidential election.
@timmyhkvt Kennedy didn't want to go to Texas because he was afraid of being heckled. This was before LBJ WHO BY THE WAY WAS BOTH A CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR from the state of Texas signed the Civil Rights Acts.
David Tingwald Saying that if something comes after another thing it must be because of it. Its a common chain of logic that people usr, but its not necessarily true. Like if I said "goddamn" and then a minute later my house caught on fire, and I thought it was because I swore. There's nothing to suggest my house burned down because I swore, I just assumed that because my house caught fire after it, it wad therefore because of it! C.J. is using the same false logic about Bartlet's "big hats" joke and losing Texas in the election.
@bornbillsmith I believe because he didn't want to look chicken riding in his own country he decided to ride in an open car instead of one with a top, Amazing how a little decision like that one actually changed world history. If he was in a closed car with a bullet proof roof he would not have been hit and would have been a great President.
@bornbillsmith Almost. You're partly correct, but you're confusing forms of direct _address_ vs. descriptive terms at some points. It's absolutely true that, in current convention, Senators are addressed as "Senator Blank" while Representatives are addressed as "Congressman So-and-so". However, when speaking descriptively, saying someone is "a Congressman" is ambiguous - it doesn't imply the House, and "a Congressman and a Senator" does appear redundant. (Not that it's a BFD.)
@mitchellfamilyof4 And they're proud of it. When you thought Bush was the worst, they give you Rick Perry. The Evangelical redistricting is a killer for that state.
My guess he lost Texas the second he was nominated as he was to liberal for that state and there was no way he would would win unless he was running against someone even more liberal then he is..
@timmyhkvt Look it up. A Senator can also be called a representative as they are elected to represent you.. So you have proved nothing. A Congressman if you take the time to look it up is a member of congress but it especially applies to the House of Representatives and therefore when it is used it is understood that way.. I don't remember where I know it from. I'll try to find something but it was a long time ago and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even know where to start.
@bornbillsmith Since when was Kennedy afraid of being heckled? You do remember he was shot in Dallas, right? Also, the Senate is part of Congress, so saying someone was both a Congressman and a Senator is redundant. Even in all caps.
@bornbillsmith Being liberal hasn't got a lot to do with it. Texas doesn't vote for Democrats at the statewide level, and while that may change in the next several years, when this episode was aired it was even more true. Bartlett lost Texas when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965.
Which is why presidential candidates spend more time and money in "swing states", at least as long as we have an electoral college. The states ceded the powers of State, War, Treasury and Justice to the federal government. Just like the creation of two houses in Congress in order to satisfy both more populous and less populous states, the electoral college was created for the same reason. So you really want a handful of states to elect the president? Doing so disenfranchises the majority of states.
If Bartlett thinks 1. I learned Latin, and 2. Texans voted against me, therefore 3. Texans voted against me because I learned Latin then he's committing a logical fallacy so common that it has a name: post hoc ergo propter hoc.
There is extremely no way in universe that Josh would not know "post hoc ergo propter hoc" and almost less way that that Bradley Whitford wouldn't. Somehow this is the most unrealistic scene in the show.
I can believe Josh's Latin is rusty. Leo commented once... when Italy was mentioned, he said Josh asked "is that the one that looks like a boot?" Josh prefers domestic politics... "because that has the ring of sanity to it" Leo remarked. We saw Josh for 7 years. There's no indication he mastered Latin or any other second language. He didn't master social skills either. It wasn't his wheelhouse.
@bornbillsmith No. A person elected to the Senate is a Senator. A person elected to the House of Representatives is a Representative. Either can accurately be called a Congressman, since both the House and the Senate are part of Congress. You are utterly and completely incorrect. Also, please cite your claim about Kennedy, because I have never heard of this before.
@timmyhkvt A person elected to the Senate is a Senator A person elected to the House of Representatives is a Congressman. I can't believe you would be so asinine to correct me on something so trivial and on top of that be so wrong. I was 12 and I remember where I was and what I was doing. JFK was afraid that the KKK and the JBS would demonstrate against him and embarrass him and the country. I
Mprator The only Latin Cruz knows is probably the Necronomicon chant he needs to contact to his parents. I'm faorly certain ue doesn't knoe the three-word Latin motto of the very country he serves.
Mprator Its pretty much true. The midwest and the South don't like educated candidates. Or at least they don't like educated candidates showing that they're educated, because these are areas where there are less educated people, unfortunately. What this translates to is a society that often doesn't like the educated, and so brands them as snotty. That's why Southern politicians, from the Ivy League to the High School Diploma, the southern elite to the farmers, Southern candidates try to look folksy. "I'm no scientist, but...", "I'm a simple man, but..."
Well sorry, but Texas is full of hillbilly idiots. People who don't apparently understand the irony of having a pro-secession rally, and end it by chanting "USA, USA, USA!".. People who appoint DENTISTS to the school board to ignore 150 years of established Biology to change the textbooks to promote religious pseudoscience. If you're a rational person in Texas, my advice is to LEAVE.
" Or at least they don't like educated candidates showing that they're educated" Almost. It's really "They don't like educated candidates (or their surrogates) treating them like they're stupid because they disagree". We ran into that in 2008 with the Paulbots, some of whom actually said that if you weren't 100% committed to Ron Paul, you were stupid. Insulting people is not a way to get them to see your side of things-whether it's calling them "stupid", "deplorables", or (as a later poster did) "hillbilly idiots".
Unfair to the good people of Texas but true of many people from all states and territories. Books are not schedule one narcotics, you are not going to be arrested for owning or using one...
I don't think the scene is trying to say people in Texas are stupid. It's drawing a contrast between people from New England (such as Barlett) and people from other parts of America. Often a "New England Intellectual" won't come off as well in other parts of a country where they want someone whom they can see themselves in, not whom they feel they are under.
Thaddeus Cornell Not really, it was contested along with Vinick's home state, California. It's what would happen if a democrat from Texas ran against a republican from California.
Andrew Wang it's also a television show with elections off by two years. Neither candidate seriously believed they would lose their home state in show other than vinick for a brief moment during the meltdown of the plant.
Thaddeus Cornell Your first sentence was completely irrelevant. It's a television show, but they wear shoes. It's a television show, but democrats want gun regulation. Texas and California are overwhelmingly Republican and Democrat, respectively. Taking either of those states voting for the opposite party for granted is foolish at best.
Andrew Wang the television show is very off when it comes to elections, the reason being is for added drama. I point off the elections are off by two years to highlight this. In that sense, the first sentence is relevant. Let us also not forget that multiple fake presidents exist in this universe and some real presidents do not. This is a television show, both candidates based on what everyone was saying in show were going to win their home states and it is therefore not surprising. Real life doesn't matter. The people in the show didn't doubt they would win their home states so it's not surprising.
Very arrogant of Bartlett. I'll bet there are plenty of people in Texas as smart as he is, and that many of them speak Latin as well as he does, and that his borderline contempt of Texans had more to do with his losing the state than his fluency in dead languages.
Articulate writing on a tv show - what a concept. Wouldn’t work today after 20 years of so much of America being dumbed down to being barely semi-literate at most.
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"CJ on your tombstone it's gonna read 'Post Hoc Ergo, Proctor Hoc'"
"Okay but none of my visitors are going to understand my tombstone"
LOL, gets me everytime.
Leo: "After, therefore, because of". Looks at Josh. Drops mic. Dusts jacket, walks off.
nice :)
nice :)
That's my favourite part. The fact that (as Bartlett points out), basically everyone in the room is a lawyer but one of the few who isn't is the one who knows the answer.
OMG. Might be my favorite show on TV ever.
Do you know when we lost Texas?
When you learned to speak Latin?
So funny.
I love how realistic this show was, even when it got soap-boxy they made no bones about the reality of the world.
It's so crazy to me as a lifelong resident that in the late 90s a democrat had a fighting chance in Texas. The alternate universe of TWW seems to indicate the Southern Strategy didn't work and Texas stayed more purple than the big cities.
Written by Aaron Sorkin. Directed by Thomas Schlamme. Those were the days.
God season 7 sucks, its unbearable!
No, there were good moments, and a couple of excellent ones. Just because Sorkin didn't pen it doesn't mean that it's unwatchable.
0:42 glasses off. glasses on? glasses off...
+Francisco G. III camera angles, they film the same scene twice but at different angles and then put it together. Sad thing is that they tend to forget whether small details (glasses for example) are removed from someones face or not. So they just keep it because it was a good take and hope that the audience doesn't notice the eff up. but i'm sure you knew that already. :p
+Francisco G. III I SURE HOPE SOMEONE GOT FIRED FOR THIS
Why don't they just use 2 cameras?
Some shows do. If you've ever heard of "multi-camera sitcoms" and "single-camera shows", well, that's what they're talking about. Multi-camera is indeed faster and easier to shoot. But you can only film from certain angles since, of course, you don't want to film a other camera on the other side of the shot! So the director has more control over the scene with single camera and in general the photography is more dynamic and flexible than if you're stuck with a few fixed positions.
You can Google "single camera" and "multi camera" to get a lot of links explaining those two styles.
They don't "forget", they just decide fixing it isn't worth filming the scene again. 100 other things they caught, one thing they let go.
I love Leo's smirk to Josh at 1:16
Funny thing is the show made a point about Hoynes "delivering the South" an LBJ reference yet apparently Hoynes couldn't win his home state for them.
Leo get's it right, looks at Josh with that face lol
Ah, and it's not just the face, but the way he slowly turns his head and doesn't directly look at him. It's priceless!
Brian Mortensen lol yeah, great character dynamic, those two
Damn, I miss great writing like this and a cast that can work with it this well.
The only lawyers in the room (that I saw) were Josh and Sam. Josh gave it a shot and Sam kept quiet. By profession: Bartlet - economics professor. Leo - corporate executive. CJ - public relations. Toby - political operative and writer. Sam - practicing attorney. Josh - political strategist (non-practicing attorney)..
People at this level routinely have law degrees as well, don't hold me to this I can't swear these exact people do but lots of gov officials have both.
Sam. Josh. Leo. Those three for sure. I remember Leo making a comment in season 2 about taking a leave and joining Josh’s legal team if he chose to sue for getting shot
"Do you know when we lost Texas?"
"When you learned to speak Latin?"
Every time I see this now I want to cry. WHY!!!
"Go figure." BEST DIS OF TEXAS....EVER!
PluralArch Its pretty much true. The midwest and the South don't like educated candidates. Or at least they don't like educated candidates showing that they're educated, because these are areas where there are less educated people, unfortunately. What this translates to is a society that often doesn't like the educated, and so brands them as snotty. That's why Southern politicians, from the Ivy League to the High School Diploma, the southern elite to the farmers, Southern candidates try to look folksy. "I'm no scientist, but...", "I'm a simple man, but..."
Yeah but seriously they'd all have known what it meant.
RIGHT?!!
I don't know, my experience of politics is the people getting the work done really aren't terribly bright. And most of them are only a little bit smarter than the average voter.
In a Bartlett White House (fiction), yes. In an Obama White House, maybe. In a Trump White House....
Of course. They would have had to take some sort of logic class at some point and learned about that fallacy.
I quizzed my sister on this last week, she's a junior in high school. You're right they would have known
The look Josh gave Leo hahaha, surprised Sam didn't know.
0:42 - Bartlett takes off his glasses
0:44 - Glasses are on face
0:46 - Glasses are off face and nowhere to be seen
1:18 Glasses in right hand.
Clearly the scene was shot at least twice and pieces of multiple takes were used to get all the angles...
...and Sheen was playing with his prop glasses like Horatio Caine with his signature shades.
He's saying that the average Texan is too dumb to know that he was the better candidate. Has nothing to do with his speaking Latin. When CJ says, "When you learned to speak Latin", and Bartlet replies, "Go figure" what he's saying is: he was too sophisticated for the mass of country dumpkisses in Texas. He was saying it without actually saying it.
No... he's saying that flaunting an Ivy League education... or in Bartlett's case, Notre Dame...
Might gain votes in New York & California... but it doesn't sell well with the Big Belt Buckle, Big Ego of Texas.
Now where the show said a state sends up an empty shirt for Presidential Nominee...
That would be "Florida Governor" Ritchie... who in his 2 appearances, sounds more like someone trying to sound & act like a Texan republican nominee...
Republicans love the poorly educated for a reason is the point.
Previously on the West Wing...
*Josh Lyman says something concisely summing up why everyone's in a blue mood*
*President says what*
*Josh repeats sentence*
*President is taken aback*
LOL, just caught a continuity error. 43 sec. Bartlet removes his glasses. 44 sec. glasses are on. 46 sec. glasses are off.
*surveys events from a high window- rain pouring down in- while sipping scotch*
*credits roll*
Leo always the smartest guy in the room
second only to jed actually
Nate River - Not according to Jed in the episode (can't remember chaper/verse) where they have one guy sit in the Oval Office in case the meeting that the President is in gets blown up. "Do you have a best friend?" "Yes, sir!" "Is he smarter than you?" "Yes, sir!" "He's your chief of staff."
There's different kinds of "smart." Bartlett is brilliant, but McGarry is shrewd. Jed knows more, but what Leo knows he understands better.
You don't need to apologise to me, you need to apologise to yourself. *shakes head and walks off as sad, orchestral music plays*
he called texas stupid. well they did vote for bush and perry as gov.
yoyoyojeremy and a congressman like gohmert
And Ted Cruz for a senator.
I'm Pennsylvania we elected Rick Santorum not once but TWICE.
California voted on Newsom.
NY Cuomo and Clinton (I hate Trump for the record).
Every damn state has elected some jackasses and this country have elected plenty to the white house from both parties.
As much as I love this scene, I don't buy that Josh didn't know post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Josh's Latin is rusty.
He's basically show he's the political enforcer for wrangling votes.
Bartlett's kind of pulling a Teddy Roosevelt... he speaks softly... and Josh is the Big Stick.
@@varianschirmer9375 That is certainly what Josh would tell you. =P
The Texas Triangle is where 80 percent of that state lives in
@KJamesB It had Democratic majorities in the legislature and House delegation until 2003, yes, but Carter was the last Democrat to win it in a presidential election.
Did anyone else notice that the pitch is a little higher than it should be on this clip?
@timmyhkvt Kennedy didn't want to go to Texas because he was afraid of being heckled.
This was before LBJ WHO BY THE WAY WAS BOTH A CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR from the state of Texas signed the Civil Rights Acts.
No one messes with the Big Dog.
D: *thinks deeply about life, freaks out to cello music, punches window*
I'm a liberal, but I never could stand this show. Everyone is so smart and so smug.
And yet none of the lawyers in the room know any of the most basic latin.
Jay Wilson Yeah, how dare they be smart!
which episode is this? as i've just remembered my love for this show and want to watch it again
I still didn't understand what it meant even after Leo translated it. LOL
David Tingwald Saying that if something comes after another thing it must be because of it. Its a common chain of logic that people usr, but its not necessarily true. Like if I said "goddamn" and then a minute later my house caught on fire, and I thought it was because I swore. There's nothing to suggest my house burned down because I swore, I just assumed that because my house caught fire after it, it wad therefore because of it!
C.J. is using the same false logic about Bartlet's "big hats" joke and losing Texas in the election.
@@dorkmax7073 That was an amazingly useful, accurate and succinct clarification. I assume you are a PhD. This is, by the way, genuine praise.
He takes them off in between. It's right there.
@bornbillsmith I believe because he didn't want to look chicken riding in his own country he decided to ride in an open car instead of one with a top,
Amazing how a little decision like that one actually changed world history.
If he was in a closed car with a bullet proof roof he would not have been hit
and would have been a great President.
@MrGrinningManiac Sam's glasses appear during that bit also.
Haah, gotta love those classic continuity errors. :P
@bornbillsmith Almost. You're partly correct, but you're confusing forms of direct _address_ vs. descriptive terms at some points.
It's absolutely true that, in current convention, Senators are addressed as "Senator Blank" while Representatives are addressed as "Congressman So-and-so". However, when speaking descriptively, saying someone is "a Congressman" is ambiguous - it doesn't imply the House, and "a Congressman and a Senator" does appear redundant. (Not that it's a BFD.)
@mitchellfamilyof4 And they're proud of it. When you thought Bush was the worst, they give you Rick Perry. The Evangelical redistricting is a killer for that state.
Good catch!
My guess he lost Texas the second he was nominated as he was to liberal for that state and there was no way he would would win unless he was running against someone even more liberal then he is..
@r34p3rl1v3 you can clearly see Sam reaching toward his pocket at 0:46, most likely going for his glasses.
@timmyhkvt
Look it up.
A Senator can also be called a representative as they are elected to represent you..
So you have proved nothing.
A Congressman if you take the time to look it up is a member of congress but it especially applies to the House of Representatives and therefore when it is used it is understood that way..
I don't remember where I know it from.
I'll try to find something but it was a long time ago and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even know where to start.
TEXAS TRIANGLE= a line drawn from Metroples(Dallas/Ft. Worth) 2 San Atone 2 Houston!!!!!
There's no way that more people in that room wouldnt have had to take logic class in college and know what post hoc ergo proptor hoc means.
@bornbillsmith Since when was Kennedy afraid of being heckled? You do remember he was shot in Dallas, right? Also, the Senate is part of Congress, so saying someone was both a Congressman and a Senator is redundant. Even in all caps.
That was pretty good.
@bornbillsmith Being liberal hasn't got a lot to do with it. Texas doesn't vote for Democrats at the statewide level, and while that may change in the next several years, when this episode was aired it was even more true. Bartlett lost Texas when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965.
Which is why presidential candidates spend more time and money in "swing states", at least as long as we have an electoral college. The states ceded the powers of State, War, Treasury and Justice to the federal government. Just like the creation of two houses in Congress in order to satisfy both more populous and less populous states, the electoral college was created for the same reason. So you really want a handful of states to elect the president? Doing so disenfranchises the majority of states.
If Bartlett thinks
1. I learned Latin, and
2. Texans voted against me, therefore
3. Texans voted against me because I learned Latin
then he's committing a logical fallacy so common that it has a name: post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Texas is turning blue to the point where it is predicted to turn into a toss-up state by 2020.
And people have been predicting Texas would be a toss-up state in the next election since 1996.
There is extremely no way in universe that Josh would not know "post hoc ergo propter hoc" and almost less way that that Bradley Whitford wouldn't. Somehow this is the most unrealistic scene in the show.
I can believe Josh's Latin is rusty.
Leo commented once... when Italy was mentioned, he said Josh asked "is that the one that looks like a boot?"
Josh prefers domestic politics... "because that has the ring of sanity to it" Leo remarked.
We saw Josh for 7 years.
There's no indication he mastered Latin or any other second language.
He didn't master social skills either.
It wasn't his wheelhouse.
Proctor*
cos they are all actors... thats why! :)
To cool...
@bornbillsmith No. A person elected to the Senate is a Senator. A person elected to the House of Representatives is a Representative. Either can accurately be called a Congressman, since both the House and the Senate are part of Congress. You are utterly and completely incorrect. Also, please cite your claim about Kennedy, because I have never heard of this before.
@timmyhkvt
A person elected to the Senate is a Senator
A person elected to the House of Representatives is a Congressman.
I can't believe you would be so asinine to correct me on something so trivial and on top of that be so wrong.
I was 12 and I remember where I was and what I was doing.
JFK was afraid that the KKK and the JBS would demonstrate against him and embarrass him and the country.
I
what is the name of that actress?
Do you mean Allison Janney?
+Ellen Golackson Good Lord, the woman has seven Emmy Awards.
+jesusthroughmary I thought anyone who won two was automatically taken out and shot?
Propter...not proctor...
No he doesn't.
You'll never win Texas by mocking it's residents, CJ. I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz knows some Latin.
Mprator The only Latin Cruz knows is probably the Necronomicon chant he needs to contact to his parents. I'm faorly certain ue doesn't knoe the three-word Latin motto of the very country he serves.
Mprator Its pretty much true. The midwest and the South don't like educated candidates. Or at least they don't like educated candidates showing that they're educated, because these are areas where there are less educated people, unfortunately. What this translates to is a society that often doesn't like the educated, and so brands them as snotty. That's why Southern politicians, from the Ivy League to the High School Diploma, the southern elite to the farmers, Southern candidates try to look folksy. "I'm no scientist, but...", "I'm a simple man, but..."
Well sorry, but Texas is full of hillbilly idiots. People who don't apparently understand the irony of having a pro-secession rally, and end it by chanting "USA, USA, USA!".. People who appoint DENTISTS to the school board to ignore 150 years of established Biology to change the textbooks to promote religious pseudoscience. If you're a rational person in Texas, my advice is to LEAVE.
And BTW who cares if Cruz knows Latin or not, depending on what day it is, hes a liar or an idiot. Some days its hard to tell.
" Or at least they don't like educated candidates showing that they're educated" Almost.
It's really "They don't like educated candidates (or their surrogates) treating them like they're stupid because they disagree". We ran into that in 2008 with the Paulbots, some of whom actually said that if you weren't 100% committed to Ron Paul, you were stupid.
Insulting people is not a way to get them to see your side of things-whether it's calling them "stupid", "deplorables", or (as a later poster did) "hillbilly idiots".
Unfair to the good people of Texas but true of many people from all states and territories. Books are not schedule one narcotics, you are not going to be arrested for owning or using one...
I don't think the scene is trying to say people in Texas are stupid. It's drawing a contrast between people from New England (such as Barlett) and people from other parts of America. Often a "New England Intellectual" won't come off as well in other parts of a country where they want someone whom they can see themselves in, not whom they feel they are under.
This is why they lost in 2016...this arrogance and condescension.
Well that and the fact that Russians and Comey threw the election.
Did Matt Santos win Texas? Anyone know?
Yes, it was his home state so it wasn't a surprising win.
Thaddeus Cornell Not really, it was contested along with Vinick's home state, California. It's what would happen if a democrat from Texas ran against a republican from California.
Andrew Wang it's also a television show with elections off by two years. Neither candidate seriously believed they would lose their home state in show other than vinick for a brief moment during the meltdown of the plant.
Thaddeus Cornell Your first sentence was completely irrelevant. It's a television show, but they wear shoes. It's a television show, but democrats want gun regulation.
Texas and California are overwhelmingly Republican and Democrat, respectively. Taking either of those states voting for the opposite party for granted is foolish at best.
Andrew Wang the television show is very off when it comes to elections, the reason being is for added drama. I point off the elections are off by two years to highlight this. In that sense, the first sentence is relevant. Let us also not forget that multiple fake presidents exist in this universe and some real presidents do not. This is a television show, both candidates based on what everyone was saying in show were going to win their home states and it is therefore not surprising. Real life doesn't matter. The people in the show didn't doubt they would win their home states so it's not surprising.
One t.
Very smug, snotty comment either way.
Very arrogant of Bartlett. I'll bet there are plenty of people in Texas as smart as he is, and that many of them speak Latin as well as he does, and that his borderline contempt of Texans had more to do with his losing the state than his fluency in dead languages.
Damnit you're right. Sorry
You care way too much about this show.
Articulate writing on a tv show - what a concept. Wouldn’t work today after 20 years of so much of America being dumbed down to being barely semi-literate at most.