Outerversal Characters in Comics: Part One

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  • @TechNinjaSigma
    @TechNinjaSigma 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Hulk is broken AF! That's why he's called FRACTURED Son!

  • @GamerLightWarrior456
    @GamerLightWarrior456 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    Outerversal is one of the most confusing terms I’ve seen in recent memory.

    • @Daniel-si7zp
      @Daniel-si7zp 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Outerversal characters is someone that either beyond all concepts, there are levels to it but if someone exists beyond the very concept of space, as in space itself is beneath them, or/and all of time, they can be considered outerversal, meaning characters such as Darkseid are outerversal, beings that can destroy or exist within infinite dimensional places are still Hyperversal, to exist beyond every dimension or/and at the very least beyond all of space and all of time is already outerversal
      Resume:
      Outerversal: Beyond dimensions, and the concept of space and time at least.
      Hyperversal: Still bound by dimensions and not fully transcending all of space and all of time

    • @shabeo
      @shabeo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@Daniel-si7zp i ran into a goku fan who says darkseid only has shown universal feats and zeno beats him

    • @Daniel-si7zp
      @Daniel-si7zp 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@shabeo then he is an idiot. Goku could probably match an Avatar of Darkseid and Zeno might erase it? But like True Form/Full Power Darkseid? Zeno is still bound by time as it was shown in the Goku Black arc, Darkseid via confirmations in a Mister Miracle comic, which New Genesis exists beyond all of space and all of time, should confirm that Darkseid and Apokalips should have the same level of scaling, plus with the Phantom Zone which is also in the Sphere of the Gods like New Genesis and Apokalips, is stated to be beyond all dimensions

    • @shabeo
      @shabeo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Daniel-si7zp yeah they can't read that's like dbz fan stereotype

    • @danielendless
      @danielendless 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's made up, constantly changes, and every single person has a biased leniency for it

  • @isabelpage5950
    @isabelpage5950 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    DC and Marvel feel like they've got power scaling experts on staff and are in an arms race with each other.
    We've even seen obvious stuff like Darkseid beating that obvious Thanos knockoff or a storyline get dropped where Lex is collecting chi to use against Superman.

  • @akelaswrath9791
    @akelaswrath9791 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I can confirm the Marvel Rivals gameplay has been banging for the Yancey Street Gang

  • @daraghokane4236
    @daraghokane4236 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Captain boomerang if you go off scaling is

    • @benaberle5767
      @benaberle5767 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you joking or being serious?

  • @spasebar
    @spasebar 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Superman 💪🏻 Hulk 💪🏻 Spawn 💪🏻 the great three!

  • @izzymosley1970
    @izzymosley1970 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I think outerversal characters are strange. It's almost like my mind just can't even imagine something beyond an concept let alone something beyond all concepts. It's like the highest category of thing in my mind is a concept and as I am right now I can't even think beyond that.

    • @JayJohnson-ls3eq
      @JayJohnson-ls3eq 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      There are two levels that are beyond Outerversal tho keep that in mind ☠️💀

  • @mconcepcion752
    @mconcepcion752 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    BIG HULK

  • @benaberle5767
    @benaberle5767 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Superman may actually be extraversal and here’s why I think that let’s look at some of his feats that may potentially put him in this category. The Story/Flaw itself is far above even Monitor - Mind the Overvoid, who was forced to scab over it with Divine Metals, making the Thought Robot, unable to defend against it otherwise. Even sealed, The Thought Robot, powered by the Story, managed to defeat Mandrakk the Dark Monitor. Allowed Superman himself to survive being in the Overvoid, and allowed him to fly back to Lois Lane in creation, shattering Neron's infinite layers of Hell. After being pushed constantly by his own Death, Superman rose above creation, transcending it so much to see it as a dream, and then one-shot his own Death upon his return. Scales to all other feats performed with the Story's power from previous and future Supermen). Also All powers of Superman at base, are the equivalent to creating a mental battlefield in which to fight his opponent (Allows Superman to fight his opponent using the thoughts he gives them, rather than actual, real-world fighting), allowing for Reality Warping, Adaptation (Via morphing reality in his realm) including Transformation (Transformed into Silver Age Superman, Kingdom Come Superman and notably Superman One Million, something he should be completely unaware of, due to Superman One Million being far in the future)

  • @ENGTech867
    @ENGTech867 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Spawn is an awesome and very powerful character. He def deserves some light. Great series!!

  • @cornellglenn238
    @cornellglenn238 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Spawn is the goat...he is so goated...i dont have to read his comics⚓

  • @TheJayspyder
    @TheJayspyder 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Person behind that Black Adam glazing needs to put down the crack pipe. Adam's a big dog, that doesn't change the fact that he's gotten manhandled not just by Superman but other Leaguers like Starfire.

    • @rotemegozi1044
      @rotemegozi1044 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      When did starfire beat him?

    • @TheJayspyder
      @TheJayspyder 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rotemegozi1044 In a recent run, Adam got turned into a lion man and Starfire and Donna Troy were able to put the hands on him to the point of him running away.

    • @rotemegozi1044
      @rotemegozi1044 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@TheJayspyderI am pretty sure that upscales both Kory and Donna but sure

    • @rotemegozi1044
      @rotemegozi1044 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@TheJayspydercan you send me the issue name?

    • @TheJayspyder
      @TheJayspyder 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rotemegozi1044 Yep, your boy got styled on and suplexed. 😂

  • @claudiusbaird2302
    @claudiusbaird2302 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    love the video im new here already sub tho but can you do a zatanna vs unkindness raven

  • @Cosmic-Hell
    @Cosmic-Hell 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Great vid. I’m glad you gave spawn some recognition. He’s really underrated.

  • @buddylee5712
    @buddylee5712 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Spawn comics are SO well written AND drawn 🔥

  • @tacoshop7722
    @tacoshop7722 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    If you want a non- Marvel DC comic character that has some outer scaling for a future episode. I would recommend looking into Ice cream man, His outer scaling is pretty blatant during the Covid special (I think it was called.) And if we are using VSBW criteria, then he would be outer just based on the fact he has multiple R>F layers. He is never really brought up in Vs debates even though he would be a demon to go against for most characters.

  • @maskkid
    @maskkid 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Powerscaling’s One Piece. (Excited for the new series!)

  • @achimpanzee9210
    @achimpanzee9210 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m a fan of this series so far. It’s a good way to clear up who’s consistently shown to be outerversal vs inconsistent showings.

  • @showkingsent
    @showkingsent 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Thought this guy was going to say Doc Solar or Captain Atom or Dr. Manhattan or Animal Man... but nope... spawn... oh well.

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      If you want to see more episodes just hit the like button

  • @theamazingjack3039
    @theamazingjack3039 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I actually won a vs battle debate by linking one of your videos lol.

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@theamazingjack3039 crazy because thats a fallacy but i appreciate it lol

  • @CarlosGarcia91000
    @CarlosGarcia91000 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    When I saw Superboy I thought you were gonna make a how strong is Superboy video because I really wanna see how strong Connor Kent is

    • @CarlosGarcia91000
      @CarlosGarcia91000 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh no wait fuck that wasn’t super boy

    • @learteslouw9504
      @learteslouw9504 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      During the absolute power run when the Amazo took Conner and jon power I saw Conner's power level was below Jon's

    • @CarlosGarcia91000
      @CarlosGarcia91000 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@learteslouw9504 to be fair Connor can go one on one with Superboy prime, the strongest boy not saying he can win, but he can make him bleed a little

    • @danielkwamedanso-owusu3505
      @danielkwamedanso-owusu3505 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Totally agree:supes :higher into high outer

    • @danielkwamedanso-owusu3505
      @danielkwamedanso-owusu3505 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hulk aka the immortal monster: high into high outer

  • @canned3880
    @canned3880 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Asking for proof you talk to the writers is crazy when you have interviews on your channel

  • @sunilG-vlogs
    @sunilG-vlogs 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I miss jobber and goons 😢

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      He died, & a stronger form emerged

  • @owenbridgers
    @owenbridgers 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    As someone who actually likes Spawn, thank you for including him here in this video

  • @the_marvelous_one
    @the_marvelous_one 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I'm a part of the yancy street gang ofc bc I'm a og also great vid

  • @willjohnboy
    @willjohnboy 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Could mangog beat time trapper or king of hell doomsday?.

    • @JustSomeGuy440
      @JustSomeGuy440 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      No

    • @willjohnboy
      @willjohnboy 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@JustSomeGuy440 good there was a vote on another channel and I picked doomsday because of the king of hell and recent superman fight story and I don't know that much about mangog but the marvel fanboys were saying to those who voted for doomsday they don't read comics and cited odin fearing mangog.

    • @rupeniugavule3479
      @rupeniugavule3479 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That was base mangog vs base doomsday. I saw that poll too. Base mangog will win against base doomsday.​ if it'stime trapper than doomsday takes it.@willjohnboy

  • @akelaswrath9791
    @akelaswrath9791 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video dog ❤ I’m glad you touched on Spawn because I’ve been letting my homies know he’s stronger than they were making him out to be.

  • @Cryax2
    @Cryax2 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Should've mentioned Gold Amazo from the Justice League Infinity comics. By far the most broken character I've ever seen in DC who's not the Presence

  • @joy-cw4ew
    @joy-cw4ew 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    W for mentioning the goat spawn no one really talks about him or his comics besides rated comics and some other small TH-camrs

  • @elespectadorsinlimites154
    @elespectadorsinlimites154 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I would like you to add the number of the comics at least in the description

  • @WildYelectric
    @WildYelectric 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the content, Doc! Can’t wait for when you release a part 2 Venom video of him being savage!

  • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
    @alsimmonshellspawn6021 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm slept on animal man is slept on

  • @buddylee5712
    @buddylee5712 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Welcome to Yancy Street

  • @lukaslambs5780
    @lukaslambs5780 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I’m a long time Overwatch player I’m so excited for marvel rivals but my Xbox One can’t play it 😭😂
    I’m getting a series X shortly so I’ll be able to play then!

  • @shanieloemraw2990
    @shanieloemraw2990 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Video idea superman runs the marvel gauntlet maybe.

  • @jaredbowen3527
    @jaredbowen3527 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Good to see Supergoat here

  • @Luife_1980
    @Luife_1980 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for giving spawn the attention he deserves! Massive W! 🔥

  • @cooldustin82
    @cooldustin82 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Three of my favorite superheroes as an adolescent. I bought so many Spawn action figures in high school and college. Everyone likes to come up with their own unbeatable dream team. I came up with mine a few months ago I called Strangefate’s Seven. All members start with the letter “S”: Spawn, Spectre, Solar, Saitama, Sentry, Superman Prime of the 853rd century, and the last spot I couldn’t decide between Silver Surfer and Swamp Thing.

  • @PrinceVoider
    @PrinceVoider 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would you ever make a video going over the tiers?

  • @Jeffroh
    @Jeffroh 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    May Parker

  • @Christian.J_hXc
    @Christian.J_hXc 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I met Spider-Man once. They said he had to leave to go meet the Green Hornet. There's an outerversal lie to a child!! I got nothing to add to the actual subject
    Yancy!!

  • @jamesthompson5287
    @jamesthompson5287 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ahh yeah, I needed this. Now I have a video to send to Anime nerds

  • @RenegadeStriker7
    @RenegadeStriker7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is that the violator in the thumbnail?! 😂😂

  • @WithcherKnight1307
    @WithcherKnight1307 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    what comic did black adam shake the overvoid in?

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @WithcherKnight1307 when he was scrapping wifh Unkindness Raven

  • @suddendeath1428
    @suddendeath1428 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Beyond hype we got Spawn representation, McFarlane had my favorite art style in the 90's the spaghetti 🍝 webbing? Foggedaboutit

  • @chrisking3144
    @chrisking3144 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Where’s Thor? 2 skyfathers into one and controls fate ik you made 2 vids already but I feel like he should be on this list

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @chrisking3144 oh so i had to include thor episode one?
      Word. Next time send me the memo dude cuz wtf noone told me???

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@chrisking3144 unless you believe only 3 characters are outerversal from this video LMAO in that case call a rehab

  • @AnonymousBatman69
    @AnonymousBatman69 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    DC vs Marvel scaling vid?

  • @an0rangutan
    @an0rangutan 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yeah, but how does Spawn do against Warhammer 40k?

    • @MarcooPolo
      @MarcooPolo วันที่ผ่านมา

      Solos the verse

  • @kamolhasan5411
    @kamolhasan5411 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ..........Eggman...............
    Jk was just reading some Sonic comics lol love the new series

  • @abctractvertigo7439
    @abctractvertigo7439 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Deadpool

  • @ContonCityNews
    @ContonCityNews 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nobody in Marvel or Dc reaches outerversal

    • @JustSomeGuy440
      @JustSomeGuy440 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The gods in Marvel are literally beings of myth, magic, and story in nature that are more than just physical beings. They have power beyond time, space, mortal comprehension, and their divinity transcends dimensions……..That’s just one example from Marvel
      The New Gods & Old Gods from DC come from an extra dimensional realm beyond time, space, dimensions, mortal comprehension, the multiverse, etc. The God Sphere they’re native too is platonic in nature, and the gods that come from there are literal archetypal living ideas. So yeah, you’re wrong

    • @jermaknights9437
      @jermaknights9437 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Cap 😂

    • @alphadestroyer3028
      @alphadestroyer3028 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ok. Then name some verses that do.

    • @ContonCityNews
      @ContonCityNews 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alphadestroyer3028 Db and db only

    • @alphadestroyer3028
      @alphadestroyer3028 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ContonCityNews How is Dragon Ball outerversal and how is it the only outerversal verse ?

  • @osammotallem6122
    @osammotallem6122 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder why characters considered "outerversals" , from both Marvel Dc Image and whatever, every time they perform a somewhat planetary feat in scale, that feat is considered as one of their best. Then you see terms like that...wtfk? Not to mention all the time they fail at performing feats that are below a continental level.

  • @grandcanyon-d4d
    @grandcanyon-d4d 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Those are high ends, not consistently.

    • @JustSomeGuy440
      @JustSomeGuy440 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      How are they not consistent

    • @grandcanyon-d4d
      @grandcanyon-d4d 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@JustSomeGuy440they do this, then struggle against lower characters? That's lazy writing, if Hulk beat Zeus then, then why he would lose to lower characters?

    • @JustSomeGuy440
      @JustSomeGuy440 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@grandcanyon-d4d Who are those low tiers & in what context did they lose

    • @grandcanyon-d4d
      @grandcanyon-d4d 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @JustSomeGuy440 i meant lower than Zeus! Hulk also lost to Thanos and other below skyfather level characters. Another example would be Thanos surviving a bomb that killed Galactus and Celestials.

    • @stevecavalle
      @stevecavalle 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@grandcanyon-d4dor maybe just maybe Thanos IS stronger than you think

  • @ericmajor6107
    @ericmajor6107 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Superboy Prime yay or nay

  • @ELD.Jimmy66
    @ELD.Jimmy66 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks for another banger🔥🫡. Where do you read comics? And your discord link is expired on here. 🙏🏽

  • @learteslouw9504
    @learteslouw9504 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wanna knoe how strong wonder woman is

  • @jimious1092
    @jimious1092 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    🧢 🧢 🧢 we all know superman and DC are 6d at best!
    Jk good video

    • @JayJohnson-ls3eq
      @JayJohnson-ls3eq 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He said Outerversal tho 6D would be like Complex Multiversal right?

    • @jimious1092
      @jimious1092 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JayJohnson-ls3eq yes its wrong for a joke. there was a video of goku vs superman that claimed DC was 6d at its peak so I referenced it for the joke. No one here agrees with that sentiment. To be clear I am the wrong one

  • @michaelgarcia5680
    @michaelgarcia5680 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Honestly I have kinda lost respect for Outerversal as a tier(keeps on changing and getting thrown around at random) but it’s still funny seeing people claim there’s no outer characters in Marvel or DC.

    • @ZackSNetwork
      @ZackSNetwork 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      It’s not even the term Outerversal’s fault or even just comics. People in the anime community call any character they like Universal, Multiversal and even boundless all the time. Yes they are always wrong as well.

    • @Mastergamer-ul8pd
      @Mastergamer-ul8pd 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@ZackSNetworkthis is sadly true

    • @CarlosGarcia91000
      @CarlosGarcia91000 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      That’s why I love death battle, because they say characters can destroy a Multiverse, but they never use the word outerversal😅

    • @SonicIsTheGoat14
      @SonicIsTheGoat14 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ZackSNetwork True

    • @JayJohnson-ls3eq
      @JayJohnson-ls3eq 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@ZackSNetworkThat's literally contradictory to what you are saying because that's very fause. It's literally every community that does this not just Marvel, DC, and DB, Anime or Comics,. Ben 10 does this, Arcane does this, Hell rising does this, hell even Video games does I literally heard someone debating that Kratos is Outerversal. Don't say that and be bise tours your favorite fandom and say that because yours may have this and nobody else does when they do.
      The problem is that in my opinion is the word is there as soon as any being does some kind of concept type feat or Universal, Multiversal type of thing that's usually when the term Outerversal comes up even Got Gam Pokemon has it.😂

  • @SachinKumar-br3cw
    @SachinKumar-br3cw 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Superman must scale to boundless not outversal

  • @happyfatherof5164
    @happyfatherof5164 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only true outerversal character is Azatoth from the outer gods

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Noone scared of that old ass character lmfao Lovecraftian horror isnt even top 10 within marvel
      Weird ppl forget its a public domain, but cant force people to be smarter.

  • @e-heromanny4348
    @e-heromanny4348 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What’s with all the 💩?

    • @BigSirSplash
      @BigSirSplash  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not sure what you mean, eheromanny

  • @binchilling5768
    @binchilling5768 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    you don't find OP characters boring ?

    • @JayJohnson-ls3eq
      @JayJohnson-ls3eq 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Absolutely not.

    • @forresttheanimezilla3763
      @forresttheanimezilla3763 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Wow, it’s almost like not every person is the same and every person has their own Completely different taste What you find boring is not always going to be the same as what another person finds boring 😑

    • @samtonnude941
      @samtonnude941 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No

    • @alphadestroyer3028
      @alphadestroyer3028 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A character can be op and still be well written.

  • @zayzillions7319
    @zayzillions7319 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Spawn is complex multi at best.

    • @SonicIsTheGoat14
      @SonicIsTheGoat14 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That's what an average power scaler would say

    • @MarcooPolo
      @MarcooPolo 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He's above that did you even watch the video his feats are far beyond multiversal such as breaking the concept of time and space

    • @zayzillions7319
      @zayzillions7319 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MarcooPolo he didn’t scale him he scaled the verse only mentioning the events he took part in

    • @MarcooPolo
      @MarcooPolo 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @zayzillions7319 watch spawn cosmology video he definitely did scale him but not into this video or it would've taken too long spawn op asf and alot of people underestimate him without looking up on his feats

    • @zayzillions7319
      @zayzillions7319 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MarcooPolo he didn’t and there isn’t just one version of spawn so you can’t scale him to everything

  • @cornellglenn238
    @cornellglenn238 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I like superman..but just because he knocks hulk down..doesn't mean he will win..and hulk is the better fighter without strength♠🎼⚓🇺🇸😎🏆

    • @claudiusbaird2302
      @claudiusbaird2302 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      did you just say hulk is the better fighter??

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Superman knows many martial arts

    • @melvingenao550
      @melvingenao550 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Lmao what? Superman is faster, more intelligent and a way better fighter than hulk and also has more experience. You haven't redesigned properly bruh.

    • @cornellglenn238
      @cornellglenn238 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @claudiusbaird2302 yes..Superman depends on tactical skills and blast people or tackle them...None of it will keep hulk down for long

    • @winterknight6717
      @winterknight6717 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Better fighter? You do know that Superman can process things thousands of times faster than humans right? He's also much faster than Hulk and trained in martial arts and beat martial arts masters without his powers, and fought demons with Thor (DC) for a thousand years so when it comes down to it Hulk may be stronger but Superman has speed and experience without his powers