So Nobody mentioned it so far so heres a quick tipp: After downthrow u have 2 options: 1) walk forward + up air dragdown Or 2) direct Short jump into delayed up air Drag down So the First one Works with most of the Short chars. The second one with big chars. But it wont work the oppsite direction, Meaning Option 1 on big chars because there hitbox is to big for the drag down, and otherwise Option 2 needs to long for small chars because there hitbox is Smaler so they can dodge or di
I definetly gotta try the second method but Im not sure the first one works on floaty characters, maybe its me having trouble. (In that case I just go for a full/double J second upair)
Man, this is what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing this tip. I always try option 2, and if they DI away, I miss them. Couldn’t figure it out. Now that I look at some of the videos of the combo I notice that little dash but no one talks about it. Cheers bro.
This is also extremely intuitive if you play Sheik. As a sheik main, I personally prefer doing that Joker combo by short hop -> delayed up air -> dragdown around the second-third hit -> buffered F-tilt (or grab in joker's case) Even though the percent ranges are very different (Sheik loops really only work from a raw F-tilt starting from ~60% on middleweights), I find that the exact same muscle memory applies here, even though Joker's up-air dragdown is easier I just thought that was pretty interesting 🤷♀️ especially since the two characters already have a lot of similarities
Thanks so much for the Joker videos! As a Joker main, I really learn a lot from your vids and am definitely seeing improvements in my Joker gameplay thanks to you! Could you do a video on killing with Joker (arsene less)
Daniel Jong that’s a good video suggestion! i’ll defff see what I can do 👀 thanks for the feedback and glad to know you’re getting better! keep it up bro 🔥
When I practice this in training with stale moves and opponent shuffling on high, I can get them down pretty consistently. But during matches, I'm typically not at 0% so rage and opponent DI make it really hard to confirm them. What do you suggest I do to practice around that to get these combos down?
i would actually recommend getting and arduino! i dont have one myself but it pretty much makes it so that training mode dummies airdodge or jump on the first possible frame, and DI certain ways which makes it perfect for labbing true combos and setups like dragdowns
Literally just tried what you were saying, which is to time your own drag downs and my god is it much easier than c stick fast fall. Honestly thank you, I've been getting stuck like I couldn't move forward with the c stick fast fall.
@@CozyyPR oh for sure! Another thing that the other method doesnt let you do is the late up air whilst descending when the enemy gets launched higher up
Just put sonic as my secondary and picked up joker cause persona. Your vids help! Ive only been playing smash since december. Hope to see mroe streams!
Great video as always!!!!!!! Would love to see you in tournaments, maybe analyzing some of your matches. Might even be great an analysis of mkleo's matches for some commentaries on how he handles neutral, advantage and disadvntge states :)
Heyyyyy cozy! Quick question I can do drag downs on all the cast besides heavies. Any tips? I can do drag down on heavies but at higher percentage like high 40%-50%
dragdowns are actually easier on heavies since most of them have big bodies so even with DI out they can still get clipped with upairs! the percentage range is a bit higher obviously though, same with fastfallers, keep trying its def possible!
Sprysor 250 yes! I’m just trying to perfect it myself atm 😅 i can get the true combo sometimes but I wanna be able to do it consistently and have enough knowledge for a video for u guys!
I’ve been having a question about the c stick tech and I couldn’t find an answer yet. I want to know if you can do the drag down up air with a pro controller and if you do, does my right stick have to be on tilt or can it be on smash? I will forever be thankful of someone answers my question🥺
i only use Gamecube so im not sure about Pro controller or other types of controllers, but im pretty sure its possible with Pro controller! i guess its just a matter of having the proper controller layout 👍🏽
how do you input the delayed upair? just tap X/Y and move clickly the c stick? I cant make it combo on normal speed. fast fallers arent aproblam since the first method works perfectly by buffering an uair.
I always miss the Up-Air after the down-throw because the opponent is too far away. And if I hit it, it's not a Dragdown. Any additional tips to hit it? Up-Throw is easier for me.
down throw up air doesnt work if the opponent DIs away, only on DI in or no DI. if they DI away u can instead follow up with forward air or reverse back air 👍🏽
any tips on how to get the down throw loops on floaties ive got the up throw drag down good on all characters and dthrow on fast fallers but it just seems extra hard on floaties for some reason
dragdowns are harder on floaties for the most part! i usually resort to going for a strong punish right after a Nair 1 like a Back Air, Forward Air, Up Air, or Up Smash if i have Arsene! 👍🏽
sometimes there just isnt a TRUE followup, but you can still follow up in those situations by reacting or covering those options. i.e. run-in shield to cover their landing, or follow up on their directional airdodge!
I know How to do his drag downs, i just ain't know no follow ups cause i be moving to quick to think 😂 i don't be practicing either so i just looked it up cause i'm lazy.
i’ve seen people do it with Arsene. its actually more optimal with Arsene, especially at kill % since down smash and up smash will kill a lot earlier! Fair 1 -> Up Air DD -> D Smash/Up Smash is really good!
maybe because the last hit is stronger with Arsene? im not sure why, i cant speak for other people but thats the only thing that comes into mind 😁 only the last hit is affected by Arsene, the first 4 hits are the same regardless, which is why Dragdowns are really good with Arsene! 😄
yea dragdowns can kill confirm a lot earlier with Arsene, but you only have Arsene for a short amount of time, whereas regular Joker is what you’ll be playing as most of the time. but Dragdowns are def essential with or without Arsene! 😁
I assume by “shortcut” you mean doing a short hop up air by pressing a and jump at the same time or using the c stick. This would cause a buffered rising up air so it wouldn’t work.
the timing is a bit tight but with proper practice you should be able to get it consistently! make sure to fastfall when at the peak of your jump, you might be doing it a bit too early/late 😁
@@CozyyPR I've been trying to get them consistently offline first, then in real fights. I did manage to hit it a few times online but I ended them early lol
@@CozyyPR Ah okay, it's because I wanted to pick up Joker up as a secondary and struggle with his up air drag down combo, but maybe some day I can complete it, thanks though!
Average Chris ayee what u think bro? the quality kinda sucks cuz i put the wrong settings on my new computer, but i got it fixed now so future videos will be crisp 👌🏽
So Nobody mentioned it so far so heres a quick tipp:
After downthrow u have 2 options:
1) walk forward + up air dragdown
Or
2) direct Short jump into delayed up air Drag down
So the First one Works with most of the Short chars. The second one with big chars. But it wont work the oppsite direction, Meaning Option 1 on big chars because there hitbox is to big for the drag down, and otherwise Option 2 needs to long for small chars because there hitbox is Smaler so they can dodge or di
Sky Gaming i’ve noticed myself doing this so thank you for taking the time to point that out!
pinned so others can see! 🙏🏽
I definetly gotta try the second method but Im not sure the first one works on floaty characters, maybe its me having trouble. (In that case I just go for a full/double J second upair)
Man, this is what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing this tip. I always try option 2, and if they DI away, I miss them. Couldn’t figure it out. Now that I look at some of the videos of the combo I notice that little dash but no one talks about it. Cheers bro.
This is going to help out my joker secondary so much
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Same
This is also extremely intuitive if you play Sheik.
As a sheik main, I personally prefer doing that Joker combo by short hop -> delayed up air -> dragdown around the second-third hit -> buffered F-tilt (or grab in joker's case)
Even though the percent ranges are very different (Sheik loops really only work from a raw F-tilt starting from ~60% on middleweights), I find that the exact same muscle memory applies here, even though Joker's up-air dragdown is easier
I just thought that was pretty interesting 🤷♀️ especially since the two characters already have a lot of similarities
yes they do! im glad someone else noticed that! thx for watching! join my server :)
Thanks so much for the Joker videos! As a Joker main, I really learn a lot from your vids and am definitely seeing improvements in my Joker gameplay thanks to you! Could you do a video on killing with Joker (arsene less)
Daniel Jong that’s a good video suggestion! i’ll defff see what I can do 👀 thanks for the feedback and glad to know you’re getting better! keep it up bro 🔥
Huh, I guess this is the comment that may have caused that video to happen... cool 👍
bro i was waiting for this. You should also show more vods from your gameplay so I can learn from in real situations. Keep up the good work!
Jasper Wu thank u so much! i can upload more Joker sesh’s for sure 👀
When I practice this in training with stale moves and opponent shuffling on high, I can get them down pretty consistently. But during matches, I'm typically not at 0% so rage and opponent DI make it really hard to confirm them. What do you suggest I do to practice around that to get these combos down?
i would actually recommend getting and arduino! i dont have one myself but it pretty much makes it so that training mode dummies airdodge or jump on the first possible frame, and DI certain ways which makes it perfect for labbing true combos and setups like dragdowns
Literally just tried what you were saying, which is to time your own drag downs and my god is it much easier than c stick fast fall. Honestly thank you, I've been getting stuck like I couldn't move forward with the c stick fast fall.
yea i tried c stick fast fall and it just wasnt doing it for me lol 🤦🏽♂️
Really good video on a crucial piece of jokers combo game! I also do it the traditional way too!
Average Chris i find the traditional way a lot easier especially off of downthrows!
@@CozyyPR oh for sure! Another thing that the other method doesnt let you do is the late up air whilst descending when the enemy gets launched higher up
Man I didn't even know about the c stick buffer down up air. Thanks
Thank you so much this helped me a lot 😁
Just put sonic as my secondary and picked up joker cause persona. Your vids help! Ive only been playing smash since december. Hope to see mroe streams!
ayee glad to hear that! thanks for the kind words and support :)
now u know how to play the hardest and easiest characters in the game
Great video as always!!!!!!!
Would love to see you in tournaments, maybe analyzing some of your matches. Might even be great an analysis of mkleo's matches for some commentaries on how he handles neutral, advantage and disadvntge states :)
Brau Uni i’ve thought about doing that! analyzing MKleo’s match and what exactly makes him so good. thx for the feedback and the kind words! :)
This will help me improve my joker a lot bro thanks! :D
no problem thank you for watching and supporting! 🙏🏽
Damn I just got to practice this. It lols hard. I tried it for like 20 mins only hit once or twice.
Thanks I can now do it constantly now with the 2 ways
you’re welcome! thanks for watching 😁
I didn’t know about the c stick tech so thanks for the info
i just learned about it too! thank U for watching! :)
Thanks bro, i needed It! :)
thank U for watching! :)
Question: Is this done with a short hop or full hop?
Very informative thank you
thank u! glad u found it useful :)
Please keep making videos they are always phenomenal
Demize yessirr thank u so much for the kind words and support! 🤜🏽
People without GameCube controllers: 🙂
Or: *Real life Persona Activates*
Best TH-cam of 2021
lol thanks that means a lot! 🙏🏽
Heyyyyy cozy! Quick question I can do drag downs on all the cast besides heavies. Any tips? I can do drag down on heavies but at higher percentage like high 40%-50%
dragdowns are actually easier on heavies since most of them have big bodies so even with DI out they can still get clipped with upairs! the percentage range is a bit higher obviously though, same with fastfallers, keep trying its def possible!
Isn't this that song that plays on Aquatic Mine in Sonic Adventure 2? A different version at least
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yess!! another vid 💪
Hector Ruiz hope u enjoy it homie! :)
Leffoble pleaseee
Awesome vid BTW. 👍
thank u sir!
@@CozyyPR will u do a vid about the Leffoble please ?
Sprysor 250 yes! I’m just trying to perfect it myself atm 😅 i can get the true combo sometimes but I wanna be able to do it consistently and have enough knowledge for a video for u guys!
@@CozyyPR ok thank uuuu so much.
We love u.
Sprysor 250 lol you’re welcome, im just tryna make a nice, informative video for u guys, rather than rushing it u feel me
I’ve been having a question about the c stick tech and I couldn’t find an answer yet. I want to know if you can do the drag down up air with a pro controller and if you do, does my right stick have to be on tilt or can it be on smash? I will forever be thankful of someone answers my question🥺
i only use Gamecube so im not sure about Pro controller or other types of controllers, but im pretty sure its possible with Pro controller! i guess its just a matter of having the proper controller layout 👍🏽
It's possible! I use a pro controller, i personally use the right stick as tilt. but it also works if u like to do the X+A short hop method
Great vid bro! I know it may be a dumb question to ask but is this possible on joycons?
ShadowImpactX there are no dumb questions! and i’m not really too sure, i’ve never used Joycons. Maybe? i assume it would be very difficult tho lol
@@CozyyPR ah okay. Thanks for the info c:
Can you do this on joycon
how do you input the delayed upair? just tap X/Y and move clickly the c stick? I cant make it combo on normal speed. fast fallers arent aproblam since the first method works perfectly by buffering an uair.
yes! when i mean delay, its to literally tap X/Y then by the time u slide ur thumb into the cstick, that should be enough time :)
I always miss the Up-Air after the down-throw because the opponent is too far away. And if I hit it, it's not a Dragdown. Any additional tips to hit it?
Up-Throw is easier for me.
down throw up air doesnt work if the opponent DIs away, only on DI in or no DI. if they DI away u can instead follow up with forward air or reverse back air 👍🏽
Can you buffer the jump?
no you shouldnt really buffer it, delaying it makes it a lot easier to not get the last hit, and its still a true combo if delayed
What percentage do you need to delay it cuz I have the CPU set to 20% and with a delay, the combo counter resets? @@CozyyPR
any tips on how to get the down throw loops on floaties ive got the up throw drag down good on all characters and dthrow on fast fallers but it just seems extra hard on floaties for some reason
dragdowns are harder on floaties for the most part! i usually resort to going for a strong punish right after a Nair 1 like a Back Air, Forward Air, Up Air, or Up Smash if i have Arsene! 👍🏽
@@CozyyPR Thanks for the info I'll definetly be using this more often
YESSSSSSSS THANK YOU!!!!!😤😤😤😤😤😤
CorruptMuppet01 thank U for watching! :)
Hi TooCozy , can you plz tell me what is the best controll settings for solo joker??
Harry XZERO i use L trigger to jump, tilt stick and tap jump off! thx for asking and watching :)
@@CozyyPR Thaks so much! Saludos de México :)
Harry XZERO gracias a ti! en realidad soy de Puerto Rico so gracias por el apoyo amigo! :)
Do you know anything that can extend the combo if the person is DI-ing to a certain direction after say a Fair 1 or down throw
sometimes there just isnt a TRUE followup, but you can still follow up in those situations by reacting or covering those options. i.e. run-in shield to cover their landing, or follow up on their directional airdodge!
Joker main here trying to get some wins against the flood of Sephiroths online.
I had no idea there was a method to guarantee frame 1 fast falls
CoolFoolTool ayee well now u know! credit to the homie G5 tho, check his video!
I do it by short hoping with Y, then using the c stick to up-air
same here but I jump with X instead of Y! (shorthops only tho)
ahora que se que eres de puerto rico , buen video como siempre 💪💪
Hector Ruiz dimeloo gracias pa’! 💪🏽
@@CozyyPR denada y gracias por tus videos , keep it up ! 💪
@@CozyyPR espero un dia podramos tener unas partidas 👍
Hector Ruiz maybe soon! 👀
@@CozyyPR yes 💪💪 looking forward to it
I just got joker i wanted to play online but i would suck so i would not be fun so thx.
I know How to do his drag downs, i just ain't know no follow ups cause i be moving to quick to think 😂 i don't be practicing either so i just looked it up cause i'm lazy.
Hey TooCozy, why don't people use drag down up air with Arsene? Is it not optimal?
i’ve seen people do it with Arsene. its actually more optimal with Arsene, especially at kill % since down smash and up smash will kill a lot earlier! Fair 1 -> Up Air DD -> D Smash/Up Smash is really good!
@@CozyyPR Sorry, I meant why do people do normal up air(s) more than drag down up air(s) at lower % with Arsene...
maybe because the last hit is stronger with Arsene? im not sure why, i cant speak for other people but thats the only thing that comes into mind 😁 only the last hit is affected by Arsene, the first 4 hits are the same regardless, which is why Dragdowns are really good with Arsene! 😄
@@CozyyPR I asked because in MKLeo's sets he never does drag down up air with Arsene unless if he's doing a kill confirm.
yea dragdowns can kill confirm a lot earlier with Arsene, but you only have Arsene for a short amount of time, whereas regular Joker is what you’ll be playing as most of the time. but Dragdowns are def essential with or without Arsene! 😁
Hey, can you do the short hop u Air shortcut for this
not sure what u mean?
I assume by “shortcut” you mean doing a short hop up air by pressing a and jump at the same time or using the c stick. This would cause a buffered rising up air so it wouldn’t work.
For me most of the times i just wont fastfall and this pisses me off
usually when that happens its because you’re doing it a bit too early, make sure to get the timing down in training mode!
Just scrolling trough the comment to know what my fcking Problem is and finally round it ty xd
Chain grabs
Yeah my fastfalls just don't come out ;-;
the timing is a bit tight but with proper practice you should be able to get it consistently! make sure to fastfall when at the peak of your jump, you might be doing it a bit too early/late 😁
@@CozyyPR I've been able to sort-of get it sometimes. It's a bit hard for me but I'm practicing!
keep in mind online the timing is even tighter! offline is easier/more consistent imo 😄
@@CozyyPR I've been trying to get them consistently offline first, then in real fights. I did manage to hit it a few times online but I ended them early lol
Am I doing something wrong if they land behind me?
Trilby that happens sometimes but you can simply turn around and grab if u react fast enough!
Trilby im assuming u prefer upthrow over downthrow
What is a c stick i don't understand all of this
the C Stick is the yellow stick in a Gamecube Controller! sort of like the right analog stick on a Pro Controller 😁
Is it hard to do it with a Pro controller?
i have never used a Pro controller but i assume its not that much more different.
@@CozyyPR Ah okay, it's because I wanted to pick up Joker up as a secondary and struggle with his up air drag down combo, but maybe some day I can complete it, thanks though!
I get it offline every time, but I just can't do it online :(
just a matter of practice :)
good video for sure but somethings off with your mic. your voice is more on the left side of the speakers which is quite annoying
Sittyboy123 ok i will definitely look into that, nobody had mentioned that before so thank u for pointing that out! :)
Helpful tip. Start practicing in half speed or slower nd speed it up slowly
You are a god thank you
First
Average Chris ayee what u think bro? the quality kinda sucks cuz i put the wrong settings on my new computer, but i got it fixed now so future videos will be crisp 👌🏽
It was good editing bro ik that the more you play around with the editing the better it gets