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Everything You Should (& Shouldn't) Be Worried About in Best Ball
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- Mike Leone from Establish The Run joins Erik & Pat to discuss the idea of "Aren't You Worried??" in Best Ball, and they break down all the things they are and aren't worried about for 2024.
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0:00 "Aren't You Worried??"
4:00 Every player in the player pool has pros and cons
9:30 How to handle our worries about offenses we expect to be good vs. bad
28:30 How to handle rookies in best ball
49:00 Betting on talent in fantasy football
55:00 Calvin Ridley vs. DeAndre Hopkins
1:03:00 Aren't you worried he'll be the guy you need?
1:10:00 Having Fun Playing Best Ball
1:17:00 Using Diversification to your advantage in Best Ball
1:21:00 Best Ball Strategy vs. Redraft Strategy
1:26:00 Being Worried About Upside Cases
1:31:00 Drafting Players You Don't Love at Cost
1:38:30 Trickle down impacts to player fades & player combos
1:45:00 Things we are the most worried & least worried about in 2024
Fun fact i beat Deandre Hopkins in the state championship my junior year in high school. I played QB and he was the best player I’ve ever seen on the field by far
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@@SpikeWeek and now im underweight Hopkins in BBM and feel like a dumbass
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Also what I’ll say. My biggest worry this year is the back half of the draft. My worry is that the correct play from the 8-12 spot was to take whoever was left off Bijan and Breece, and stack with either Gibbs or JT in the second. My fear is that the second round WRs basically all disappoint like they did last year, and the only way to compete with the Big 6 of the first is to go heavy RB early, and accept that you’re behind the first half of the draft by default because of how big of a tier break they end up being, so the actual play was to load up on 3-4 early RBs and load up on guys with very, very realistic shots at being top 5 RBs if they stay healthy. Especially with how flat of a tier it seems to be as soon as Wilson and Puka are off the board. It feels like MHJ all the way to like the Keenan Allen range all have pretty similar shots at being the WR you wanted all season in the early rounds.
Good points!
As someone who just endlessly clicks all of those guys, im terified after reading this.😂
Love these shows focusing on the portfolio but tying in drafting all the time, entertaining and excellent info. It’d be awesome if you guys did this again in mid August!
Good idea!
Great show!
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The part about flipping over the cards and being surprised about who you have was awesome. Last year I had 2 semi-finals teams in bbm and one of them had Austin Ekeler (who I hardly drafted).
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Really awesome discussion. The bit about drafting humbly and not drafting full "hedge teams" is one of the most useful reminders I've gotten in a bit.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Would love to see all three of you do a bbm draft
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but did you see that video of Ridley running routes in shorts?
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This year I think the scariest thing is there is less room for error because everyone will have the same teams through the first 4 rounds and if you begin to not stack or try to reach and it does not go well we are screwed
That’s why we don’t draft the same teams as everyone else!
first of all, this was hilarious - idk if Leone had a few pops before or it was just bc it is't ETR/ETE but he cracked me up
second, since the "don't get me wrong i aaann drafting ___" is a given w/ppl sick enough to do this many drafts now, it may need an abbreviation or shorthand lol
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lol so true
Huge cowboys fan here, so with the Wide receiver room I believe the 3rd most productive receiver with probably be Turpin he will be lock in at wr 4 and Tolbert and brooks are going to split wr 3 role. Also with new kickoff Turpin might have extra production. And he get handoffs aswell.
Makes sense
Best bestball podcast ever!
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I did the Pittman thing. Thanks for calling it out. I’m listening and shaking my head…
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I got Garrett Wilson at the 2.05
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Intro slaps at 1.5x
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I wasn't worried, but now I'm super worried.
Same
"You guys all suck!....Love, TH-cam" lol I eat up your content like a fat kid with a DQ Ice cream cake! Great stuff guys!
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Wilson is my favorite sleeper wr in Arizona
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I can't quit ridley. Don't judge me
Too late
Thankful for JSN for keeping Rome’s ADP in the 60’s 🙏
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LFG!! 🔥🔥🔥
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Calvin Ridley and Amari Cooper are the same age, went to the same college and only that college and never went to school together, my favorite fun fact to fit the Calvin Ridley is old fact
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That is wild 😂
She's a runner she's a track star 🎉
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I think you guys are underestimating how hard it is to be a top nfl wr when you practically had 2 full years of unhealthy/no football on ridley. add in its a put up or shut up year for him and being more mature at 30 than 27 he absolutely can smash. if he's put in work this offseason he can more than pay off pick 60 in a topheavy wr draft
Don’t think we’re underestimating it. Quite the opposite actually.
@@SpikeWeekthen what am I missing since this entire stream he was the poster child for a bad pick? he's been back committed to football for a full year w a coach that has faith in him, playing alongside hopkins helps, and has spike week upside with a top 10 (maybe 5) playoff week schedule. I was completely out on him last yr but this has every feeling of a smash at adp
@@teabaggingtime1415 we discussed many points about why his price is not ideal on the show!
@SpikeWeek ill have to rewatch then bc the only points I've ever heard made are the metrics from last year are bad, and it's been multiple years since he had a good year. I don't hold much weight to last year's metrics personally.
@@teabaggingtime1415 we just disagree that several years of poor play for a 30 year old can just be ignored & thrown away. If we make intangible excuses for every player who played poorly, we are going to overdraft a ton of bad players. Doesn’t mean Ridley can’t hit, but that’s the price idea we were discussing on the show.
Yea Ladd McKonkey is my number one over all drafted player lol
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9th wide receiver. 9th overall. Tomato / Potato
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Something that I think a lot of people are getting wrong about Stroud is this. Stroud was not “great” for fantasy last year. He had a slightly above average season in PPG. He had a much, much better season than most people expected. That’s the difference. We are drafting all 3 of his receivers in the top 3-4 rounds, and the reality is that there’s a very, very possible world where Stroud regresses like Baker Mayfield did after his rookie year. Stroud has not yet put up a difference-making season in fantasy, and yet we’re taking him ahead of pocket passers who not only have put up those seasons, but are still in a situation where they can replicate those seasons. 😂 He’s a dynasty QB who’s being treated like he put up a Herbert season, when he was nowhere close to attaining that level. We have to cool it on Stroud, he should be going behind Dak, behind Kyler, behind Burrow, behind Dak, arguably behind Love because Love has proven he can do it in his rookie year. He should be behind Tua. He should be in the Goff and TLaw range right now, and we have him aligned with QBs who have already, and can again, put up almost 10 ppg more than he did his rookie year. Like what are we doing here folks? He’s being drafted at his absolute ceiling already, with his 3 receivers drafted basically at their absolute ceilings. People aren’t considering that the Texans could absolutely regress, and every single one of those teams is fully dead, because no one takes just one piece of that offense, they stack up 3 or 4 almost every time.
Very fair points!
I don't get why Erik is so worried about Dallas offense. Zeke, dowdle, cooks and fergusan and even tolbert if he secures the WR3 job are great options. These skill players are very similar to last year and they might not be great but didn't stop dallas from being a top 5 offense last year. And vegas expects them to be in same bucket again this season. I might be biased though because these dallas players are my highest exposure players of all
Because they aren’t good football players, and their collection of talent is worse than last year. They can be fine best ball picks (we all take them) & we can acknowledge outside of Dak/CeeDee the offense (including the OL) is severely lacking talent.
@SpikeWeek that's fair I don't think they are great players or anything. I meant to say they are great value options. Getting Dallas starting RB at pick 127 is nuts. Or even crazier at pick 140. The goalline looks alone will pay those adps off. And there's no reason to think Ferguson can't at least match last year's numbers which makes him a value at adp due to dallas not bringing anyone else in and you'd think he'd improve even slightly after last year being his first as a starter. People had same exact concerns last year about the dallas offense and Mccarthy ruining all of them for fantasy blah blah and were dead wrong.
@@davem7173 yea we agree they’re great value options, I draft all of them a ton. but that doesn’t mean we aren’t worried haha
Idk why Pat is so confident Ladd will earn more than Josh Palmer. JP has proven to be a good target earner even when he was playing with no other weapons. Love the show
That’s fair!
I don't think he said he was confident he would out target JP. He said he would "do a thing". His point is he would have a role where Coleman would not
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Spreadsheet bro fading DJM leone in timeout corner with gretch
You are an idiot for drafting moore and toney sorry not sorry
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Leone doesn’t even look real in this video.
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its AI 😂😂
Total respect for the info! The color is off.
He's very red 😂
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Aren’t you worried that the thing you should’ve been worried about isn’t even on your radar?
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Going to continue to harp on the falcons offense for one that maybe the market isn’t worried enough on..
“We have a WR who is going at pick 14 who is has been outscored by WRs going 100 picks after him in each of his 2 seasons.”
“Then there is a RB who previously split time and is going in the first, while being outscored by 6 guys going behind him.
“Then there is a TE who has massively disappointed in each of his 3 seasons, and is still going as the TE 6”
“And who is going to save all these guys? That’s right! An aging QB coming off a torn Achilles and a brand new OC!”
Totally fair
Many myself included are making the complete opposite argument that Falcons are mostly undervalued. Completely new offense and a super friendly fantasy QB+a great backup QB. All the coach speak is that Bijan is going to be used like CMC havent heard one word about Tyler.A being involved like last season.
This offense is going to be run like the Rams. They like to keep one back on the field to not allow the defense to make adjustments. Bijan is awesome hes going to be used like prime Gurley,Kyren, or as the Rams keep telling us CMC.
I do agree London is currently slightly overpriced. Hes getting pushed up because of the WR thirst. That said he still has a huge ceiling and if you're going WR in that range he does look to be a OK enough pick.
@@donkcrypto9613 yea I think we all see the perks of the new situation, but the market is pricing in those new perks. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but they’re being drafted as if everything you said is going to guarantee massive fantasy seasons, despite it being the first year of the new system with an old QB coming off an Achilles tear.
@@SpikeWeek I actually think the QB situation is amazing. Cousins historically is elite for the production of his skill positions. If for some reason he is dusted though they have the highest upside backup QB ITL. Also have to factor in the Falcons defense is awful their going to have to score alot of points to keep up.
I do agree the market is baking in the bull case outside of Pitts who has the "never again" crowd holding down his ADP. I fully believe in the talent of this offense and that Arthur Smith/QB play was what was holding these guys back. If this is a first year Russ Wilson to the Broncos situation though I will be down bad but I can accept that as the process is good IMO.
@@donkcrypto9613 we agree the QB situation is great, that’s why the Falcons, particularly London, are as expensive as they are. We love the Falcons, but so does the market
Erik the spikeweek rankings has Calvin Ridley at 73 and Dhop at 96 lol wtf bro 😂.
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1. The Chargers will the Their Tight ends a lot. Not sure why you think they won’t with that receiver room.
2. You guys are massively exaggerating Brandon beane said about keon Coleman and this is someone who owns 0% Coleman. He literally was just saying he needs to learn how to be a pro essentially. But yea it’s clear he’s not going to be a WR1 right now, but who tf thought he would be lol which is why i own 0%
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Calvin Ridley played out of position last year. It’s literally the simple. You guys don’t know ball. They literally played him like dk metcalf last year of course he’s not going to do very good. But wait he literally still had a great season. Ironically you don’t know how good he is
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