Reading Bojangles comment my thoughts are that if fish were people sized, solo fishermen would work out how to get them in their boats. To that end, at the moment I am designing a self steerer for my 45’ boat. I’ll see if I can design in a feature which if triggered will attempt to round the boat up to windward. I’ll add into that design exercise an automatic MOB pole and life ring launcher that can be triggered remotely. The third problem is getting back aboard. First up I’m thinking grappling nets (nylon webbing) which can be released to drop down the side of a boat to give a person the chance to grip the boat and become attached to it. The second thought is to treat the person as a fish, who can be hauled close to the boat attached by their safety harness to a winch line helicopter recovery style. A combination of those 2 approaches with some more features will be successful.
If you’re truly putting this much thought into a project, consider the following. Have a weight hooked up ready to deploy on the halyard, drop the weight, halyard picks you up! Good luck on your adventure. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
@ Not so keen on the weight idea, but another version of the same would be to have drogue on a floating line through a pulley at Staunton top height to pull a person up to where they can be hauled aboard. Move the boat forward to apply the energy to lift the person. Maybe. I do put a lot of design energy into these things, as do many others. If you have any unsolved safety problems I am happy to hear about them. I’ll be looking out for your coming MOB vlog. Luck favors the prepared.
I sailed with a guy who never worn any type of preserver. His attitude was that he did not want a slow death if he went overboard. I truly believe that once he was in the water, his attitude would change. RIP Tech Sergeant Schmidt.
The chance of rescue is slim, but still significantly better with a PFD. A tether is more important, but use your PFD as a harness and you'll have as good a chance as you can.
I'm in Australia. My late grandfather lobbied hard for PFD's to become mandatory, here. While they are not required at law to be worn on all vessels, they are required to be onboard a vessel and worn on smaller vessels at all times. My understanding is that the US has similar laws. What appears to be different between the two cultures, however, is that sailing clubs/associations/race organisers require PFD's to be worn in competitions, here. In the case of off shore racing, harnesses, too, must be worn. This has been the case since the late 80's. It doesn't matter what the conditions are, you wear the gear. In fact, even when not competing, the culture is such that it is "un-cool" not to wear "the gear". You can argue until you're black and blue in the face that "under these circumstances... blah, blah, blah... PFD's and harnesses are worthless". That may or may not be true. The FACT of the matter, however, is that there have been all number of demonstrable instances in which lives have been saved by these devices. That isn't speculation, that's fact. I commend this channel for bringing this to the attention of those who might not be that well versed on Darwin's theory of evolution. I would also like to commend Peter Gibbons-Neff for his willingness to lead by example in a sport that quite frankly should have caught on, by now. And by the way, a life jacket saved a friend of mine from a life changing/ending event in a dinghy race, three and a half decades ago. He went overboard following an accidental gybe. It took several minutes for rescuers to find him ... face up, in the water... breathing, yet unconscious. Instead of death or at best, an ABI, he was treated for concussion and had half a dozen stitches put into his noggin. He was back for the next race the following week.
Thanks for your comments - I appreciate that you watched ed the video. Many YCs and Regattas are mandating PFDs now in the US. And I hope that you are a fan of the Bar Karate Pod Cast - If not as a sailor in Oz, it’s pretty much mandatory. As for a few other comments that are on your thread, let me say that these rescues certainly demonstrate that it is not the government job to regulate PFD‘s but it is their job to rescue you so there needs to be some. The last Rescue in this video cost the government over $1 million and it also places the rescuers at risk. I don’t care if you don’t wear a PFD just as long as you don’t place anyone else at risk trying to save you.
Reflecting on the several Safety at Sea Seminars I have attended over the years, I believe in their insight for offshore sailing, even though they are often associated with ocean races and focused on the safety requirements of that way of going to sea. These seminars spend considerable time explaining the procedures for recovering a person overboard (POB). Short-handed POB Recovery is an illusion at best for the crew offshore; no matter how well equipped and drilled, a person's overboard recovery chances are small, even in the best of conditions. And once the wind gets up, they become slim indeed. I prefer to focus on crew POB (person on board). Pretend is a 500-foot cliff on the other side of those lifelines. Stay windward of loaded gear. Ban side deck jack lines and use only the centerline to avoid a dragging event. While being permanently attached to the boat is a massive increase in safety, that's only part of the story. What we attach to and how is equally, or maybe even more, important. But what really matters to the short-handed crew offshore is making as sure as humanly possible that the MOB situation never happens in the first place. We need more prevention, less cure.
The ultimate overboard survival story is th-cam.com/video/yX3xgj2B_vU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bp89T-V50pkLsFhr . PFD’s for sure, and throwing the life ring over too. No one seems to talk about the MOB marker pole. Why? I once did a concept design for a waist worn PFD that inflated in 3 stages with the final stage being a complete enclosure as if a LiLo was wrapped fully around the person lifting them mostly out of the water making them more visible in the process. It’s do-able! Alternatively a life ring could have these features.
PJ, or Pararescue Jumper, is a highly trained member of the United States Air Force who specializes in personnel recovery and combat search and rescue. They are the only Department of Defense specialty that is specifically trained and equipped to conduct these operations.
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Reading Bojangles comment my thoughts are that if fish were people sized, solo fishermen would work out how to get them in their boats. To that end, at the moment I am designing a self steerer for my 45’ boat. I’ll see if I can design in a feature which if triggered will attempt to round the boat up to windward. I’ll add into that design exercise an automatic MOB pole and life ring launcher that can be triggered remotely. The third problem is getting back aboard. First up I’m thinking grappling nets (nylon webbing) which can be released to drop down the side of a boat to give a person the chance to grip the boat and become attached to it. The second thought is to treat the person as a fish, who can be hauled close to the boat attached by their safety harness to a winch line helicopter recovery style. A combination of those 2 approaches with some more features will be successful.
If you’re truly putting this much thought into a project, consider the following. Have a weight hooked up ready to deploy on the halyard, drop the weight, halyard picks you up! Good luck on your adventure. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
@ Not so keen on the weight idea, but another version of the same would be to have drogue on a floating line through a pulley at Staunton top height to pull a person up to where they can be hauled aboard. Move the boat forward to apply the energy to lift the person. Maybe. I do put a lot of design energy into these things, as do many others. If you have any unsolved safety problems I am happy to hear about them. I’ll be looking out for your coming MOB vlog. Luck favors the prepared.
I sailed with a guy who never worn any type of preserver. His attitude was that he did not want a slow death if he went overboard. I truly believe that once he was in the water, his attitude would change. RIP Tech Sergeant Schmidt.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to watch the video and I really appreciate that you watched all the way to the end
I’ve read that sailors of old didn’t want to know how to swim exactly for this reason
Less suffering ,get it over with.
Amazing story well told and a load of great information.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
The chance of rescue is slim, but still significantly better with a PFD.
A tether is more important, but use your PFD as a harness and you'll have as good a chance as you can.
Thanks for sharing
Fantastic presentation
Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate you watching. Glad you enjoyed it
I'm in Australia. My late grandfather lobbied hard for PFD's to become mandatory, here. While they are not required at law to be worn on all vessels, they are required to be onboard a vessel and worn on smaller vessels at all times. My understanding is that the US has similar laws.
What appears to be different between the two cultures, however, is that sailing clubs/associations/race organisers require PFD's to be worn in competitions, here. In the case of off shore racing, harnesses, too, must be worn. This has been the case since the late 80's. It doesn't matter what the conditions are, you wear the gear. In fact, even when not competing, the culture is such that it is "un-cool" not to wear "the gear".
You can argue until you're black and blue in the face that "under these circumstances... blah, blah, blah... PFD's and harnesses are worthless". That may or may not be true. The FACT of the matter, however, is that there have been all number of demonstrable instances in which lives have been saved by these devices. That isn't speculation, that's fact.
I commend this channel for bringing this to the attention of those who might not be that well versed on Darwin's theory of evolution.
I would also like to commend Peter Gibbons-Neff for his willingness to lead by example in a sport that quite frankly should have caught on, by now.
And by the way, a life jacket saved a friend of mine from a life changing/ending event in a dinghy race, three and a half decades ago. He went overboard following an accidental gybe. It took several minutes for rescuers to find him ... face up, in the water... breathing, yet unconscious. Instead of death or at best, an ABI, he was treated for concussion and had half a dozen stitches
put into his noggin. He was back for the next race the following week.
pretty sure its international
That's what we need, more regulations. It's the governments job to keep us safe after all, right?
Thanks for your comments - I appreciate that you watched ed the video. Many YCs and Regattas are mandating PFDs now in the US. And I hope that you are a fan of the Bar Karate Pod Cast - If not as a sailor in Oz, it’s pretty much mandatory. As for a few other comments that are on your thread, let me say that these rescues certainly demonstrate that it is not the government job to regulate PFD‘s but it is their job to rescue you so there needs to be some.
The last Rescue in this video cost the government over $1 million and it also places the rescuers at risk. I don’t care if you don’t wear a PFD just as long as you don’t place anyone else at risk trying to save you.
Reflecting on the several Safety at Sea Seminars I have attended over the years, I believe in their insight for offshore sailing, even though they are often associated with ocean races and focused on the safety requirements of that way of going to sea. These seminars spend considerable time explaining the procedures for recovering a person overboard (POB). Short-handed POB Recovery is an illusion at best for the crew offshore; no matter how well equipped and drilled, a person's overboard recovery chances are small, even in the best of conditions. And once the wind gets up, they become slim indeed. I prefer to focus on crew POB (person on board). Pretend is a 500-foot cliff on the other side of those lifelines. Stay windward of loaded gear. Ban side deck jack lines and use only the centerline to avoid a dragging event. While being permanently attached to the boat is a massive increase in safety, that's only part of the story. What we attach to and how is equally, or maybe even more, important. But what really matters to the short-handed crew offshore is making as sure as humanly possible that the MOB situation never happens in the first place. We need more prevention, less cure.
We agree with you 100% thanks for watching and it’s nice to see that you’ve been going to the Safety At sea courses.
I'm glad you are thinking about safety and that the video has given you some useful insight!
Great video Schaffer (I think that's you) ...
Yep, that’s me, thanks for the comment!
I love the old manual CGI...
That was very cool.
The ultimate overboard survival story is th-cam.com/video/yX3xgj2B_vU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bp89T-V50pkLsFhr . PFD’s for sure, and throwing the life ring over too. No one seems to talk about the MOB marker pole. Why? I once did a concept design for a waist worn PFD that inflated in 3 stages with the final stage being a complete enclosure as if a LiLo was wrapped fully around the person lifting them mostly out of the water making them more visible in the process. It’s do-able! Alternatively a life ring could have these features.
We are working on a man overboard, module story as we speak. The man overboard module is also also requirement in the Offshore Special regulations.
What’s a PJ?
PJ, or Pararescue Jumper, is a highly trained member of the United States Air Force who specializes in personnel recovery and combat search and rescue. They are the only Department of Defense specialty that is specifically trained and equipped to conduct these operations.
Are you able to make videos without stealing content? Asking for a friend
Please note: Fair use
A legal concept that allows limited use of copyrighted material without the copyright owner's permission. Fair use is intended to balance the needs of the public with the rights of copyright owners.
Educational use
Fair use allows the use of copyrighted material for teaching, including making multiple copies for classroom use.
We only use the video to enhance the story line and drive home the content and learning objectives. These lessons learned have the ability to help many sailors. We hope you find them educational.
@@ministryofsailing Awesome, I'll steal your stuff so and just call it fair use when you complain. Thanks for the advice
@ thanks for watching, did you learn anything? Where do you sail? I take it you weren’t asking for a friend? Are you a part of the Foredeck Union?
@@ministryofsailing lol, its little wonder you are so disliked among the sailing community with your attitude, stay small bud