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The children and progeny of the families who are having 10+ children in this current environment are going to eventually replace the people who don't breed and population levels will go back up again.
Look on the bright side, if you go to college and graduate with a good degree in STEM or Economics, you can probably get a job that pays 35$ an hour like me! ...Because it hires me for one day a week, because the company is liquidating itself thanks to Bidenomics.
@@Viperness While this might solve the issue for singular persons it doesn't solve it on a systematic level. Not everyone can get into a good paying career, because that would require all careers to be good payed by default.
@TADA00X12 Sheep and wolves is not about class but mentality. Wolves exploit sheep. No sheep, nobody to be exploited and the wolves need to work themselves which they don't want to.
Investing in alternate income streams should be the top priority for everyone right now especially given the global economic crisis we are currently experiencing. Stocks, gold, silver and virtual currencies are still attractive investments at the moment.
Good thing all these old heads grew up “picking themselves by there bootstraps” and know how to “get a job” because it sounds like they are going to need exactly that.
What gets me is that "picking themselves up by their bootstraps" used to be code for we are abandoning you because it's too dangerous/there's nothing that could be done. Now people use the phrase like it's something that can be done when the whole point is that you can't pick yourself up by your bootstraps.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
If I had a kid right now I would be financially ruined. I would never have the possibility of giving them a good life. So why would I bring them into the hell hole I already live in.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
That's an excuse. Stop using it/repeating it just because it sounds good and you jive with the general edgy/sentiment of it. Same with, usually girls, saying they're too worried about climate change and its affects on their theoretical kids. All it does it social mine
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
If you went to an ivy League school you were guaranteed a job at a high-profile company, or working a government job... I think it's all the bureaucracy that's been put in place and people retaining some position they can only be forced out of by a group... It's all really complicated stuff.
The thing about economics is... it's man made. Man made money, made the systems to use money, made the rules to enforce it. It's not like gravity or the rotation of the cosmos. Economic systems can change, so whenever anyone talks about the birth rate and goes off on how it's going to impact economics... I'm very meh about it. Its almost as if the decline in birth rate is a soft rebellion against the system that is choking us to death.
That's not true at all. Nature creates systems and stores of energy. Money is a lubricant for value of items and economics a system for that value. Chimps have been to shown to understand the concept. You're not rebels, your cavemen in the Feudal era.
Forget about money. Just think labor. Labor needs to be done all the time. When you’re retired you don’t provide labor, but you want to consume labor. That’s a problem.
I come from a dysfunctional divorced broken home. I believe that is another huge reason why people aren't interested in having kids. Some people just want to break the cycle and just enjoy their lives.
@@devilsadvocacywouldn't it be hilarious if after all his efforts and expenditures of raising an army of mini-Elon, all of his kids refuse to procreate even at the threat of losinf their billion dollars inheritance? They just flat out refuse and that is the end of the line for Elon's line. How I gleefully hope for this. 😂
@HailAzathoth - Nothing is going to happen to the Earth. It has been here over 4 billion years without us and will continue at least another 4 billion years with or without us.
Honestly, I'm not sure how much of this is really true. I live in the suburbs of Chicago, and you can find a very nice one-bedroom apartment here for around $1500. Assuming you and your partner have at least undergraduate degrees and are employed with those degrees, it's completely doable for a couple to live like that. Over time, as you both gain equity in your jobs, you'll make more money and be able to expand your household and eventually introduce kids into the picture. Starting a family right off the cuff is definitely not feasible today, but if you play your cards right and have a five-year plan with your partner-and you two are not in huge debt-I think it's very possible. It just has to be the number one priority in your life
I don't think a lot of people want children. It's because we have infinite entertainment options now. We have so much information, games, and movies at our fingertips. Why would anyone want to breed and have some rugrat running around that can only cause you financial hardship? No, it's the internet and cell phones which saved us from incessant baby-making.
A lot of females in their 30s and late 20s want to have kids. Anytime I talk to one of them all they care about is my job and bring up kids into the conversation more often than a girl in early 20s. I couldn’t care about it at this point, those ladies didn’t find me soon enough so I’ll add myself to the not having kids category unless child support and divorce is abolished and I don’t lose everything I’ve worked for.
@rl7329 But I think the issue is even deeper than that. I honestly think people in the past had kids out of boredom. With all the entertainment now, why would you do that? You're telling me you are so bored that you need to have a kid to make life interesting? It boggles my mind.
I'm in my mid 30s. My wife and I had our first kid. He's turning 2 in a few months. I make more money than I ever have in my life (in the top 20% of earners in my country), my wife works part time too, we are both naturally frugal people, and yet we remain financially crippled by taking what is supposed to be a natural, happy step in life, and one which society and governments around the world expect of me. We have to focus to ensure the basics are covered every month, and luxuries like holidays are now practically non-existent. Buying and then paying off a house is a huge financial endeavour. Childcare is extortionate. The working hours lost to looking after your own child make all the difference. I have friends who make good money, are in solid relationships and have their own homes, but are either holding off on having children or have rejected the idea altogether, because the financial strain is just too much.
As a 21 yo dude with a gf. No way I'm having kids. I want the system that keeps me poor to collapse. Why would I want anything else. Money means nothing to us. We don't care.
@@30kendel Just because someone else has it worse does not magically erase my problems, and certainly doesn't obligate me to welcome artificial obstacles made by the elites
I think that preexisting family norms might also have had an impact. You can only listen to your dad complain about the old ball and chain, your mom constantly being overstressed, and your siblings acting like they want to murder each-other before you just decide that any attempt a starting a family will just lead to constant strife and emotional devastation.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
The problem isn't that there will be fewer people, but that there will be many more older people than young ones. If you think taking care of children is expensive, just wait until you have to take care of old retired people, be it directly or indirectly through taxes. And with the current birth rates in europe and north america, in the future young people will have to take care of 3-7 old people per 1 young person. That is catastrophic.
I wonder if this would even or if the young generation doesn’t have a huge population when they are old if they have kids there wouldn’t be too many old people to care for, maybe in 150 years or so?
@@Peter-mj6lz can you rephrase yourself, not sure what you said exactly. But if you are asking how long it would take for this to happen? It's already happening and it will get as bad as I'm describing it in about 80-200 years depending on the birth rate of the country. The lower, the faster.
@@Peter-mj6lz again the problem is not weather we have 1 billion or 100 billion people, the problem is that we will have 70-80%+ of the population be old retired people of 65-100 years old.
I'm getting tired of having to repeat stuff like this, but I'd still like to make my point. The modern world is not in fit condition for raising more kids.
People could have said that at any time throughout history. Everything always feels like it's going to shit in an unprecedented way. Focus on your own life, not the state of the entire world... human minds weren't meant for that scale of information and concern overload. Easier said than done in a high-information world, but if you focus on yourself as much as you can, you'll be happier and you'll be able to make it work.
Lets people, less pollution, less idiots, less traffic, more food to go around(sort of), less people to compete with for that 1 job or that house and apartment. Sounds like a win to me.
"less idiots" Sadly, no. The dumb people will outbreed the smart people, and the human race will become less intelligent over time (because intelligence is partly hereditary). That's the premise of the movie "Idiocracy," and we're seeing it happen today.
How are we supposed to truly colonize new worlds without more people? It'll take a few generations of building up, but the major terrestrial bodies combined (sans Venus) can easily hold a few billion people if we only populate them as densely as the Sahara, which is reasonable for ecologically dead worlds, I'd say.
@@keterpatrol7527 In my opinion colonizing is futile in space because the balance value / cost is not worth it, on Earth it's useful to acquire resources. but more than that why colonizing ? Happiness isn't defined by how much territory I conquered.
If people didn't need to work 16 hours a day then maybe there would have been some time to mate. Either that or just increase the hours in a day I suppose 😂
Feminism did this. As I agree with a lot of what it provided for women it doesn't change the fact it doubled the work force in just a couple years. Then feminism has exploded into the "hate all men" side so now there is also , for the most part, no dual income but with the double in workforce the cost of living has within itself doubled as well now requiring 2 incomes not single incomes but most people are single and with the risk men face when she is "unhappy" and takes all his things on the way out a lot men are finding happiness and solitude living alone and avoiding those risks. As that spreads and men speak about it the more and more men are also content with work video games rinse repeat death.
I know one thing. When the plague hit europe. Its aftermath opened a huge path for former peasants to advance in society. When the price of labour shot up, they got a choice of jobs and got the resources to get educated and increase their standard of living. Should the population decline over time, we should see the price of labour increase for our kids but at the same time, this is why the technocracy is trying to push automation so hard.
I have an engineering degree. I would love to move into the big city, meet a girl, and have a child, but between rent, car payments insurance, student loans, and just general life shit, I feel more compelled to stay at home with my parents in preparation of something bad happening and more cost of living increases. We are sooooo fucked.
Dating apps and social media have truly ruined dating for alot of people. It has manipulated individuals into believing they can always find better even if they have a wonderful partner right in front of them. Nowadays some are having kids without marriage but I still have traditional values and I refuse to be a single mother. As a woman about to enter my 30's, I feel pressure on myself to find a husband before my biological clock runs out. Sadly, the dating market today makes me feel less hopeful it'll ever happen for me.
Dating apps only exposed how horrible you women are, this is all womens fault. Men gave you rights and you decided to act like degenerate whores who expect a Christian Gray to swoop them up when they hit 30.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
Housing is a "problem" in your country because it's probably an amazing country with a lot of job opportunities and fun stuff to do. If houses would be cheap half the planet would try to immigrate there... and that would rise the cost of houses.
They make the same claim here in Canada. It's bullshit. It's not about housing, it's about money. And neoliberalism. There are 1.3 million empty homes in this country. Private equity is buying up everything it can. Homeowners don't want their homes to devaluate. Governments won't help because they are owned. And the owners like it the way it is. Lots of profit. Just not for everyone.
Median Income in USA is $37,500, that means 50% of Americans make less than $37.5k a year. Median Home Price in USA is $400,000, that means for 50% of Americans, buying a first time Home is almost out of the question in this Life. Cost of living including Insurance (Medical/Auto/Car), Utilities, Groceries, and basic needs has shot through the roof, inflation is killing the average Person. And then, y'all wonder why People aren't getting married, why People are quiet quitting, why People aren't having children, why more and more People suffer with mental health issues, and why Population is collapsing. It always comes down to a simple phrase, it's the economy stupid. If you're someone who makes a decent to good living, you won't really feel the impact of this Economy, but vast majority of Americans are feeling the impact of this Economy, and they are not happy with it. And if this continuous, you will need immigrants to replace your population and workforce because American are just checking out and giving up on any hopes of a good life.
@@dakotadak100 Even if it was triple, you still can't afford a $400k house and live below your means. The cost of housing and rent is just insane. It is not the only factor in the low birth rate but certainly is a big one.
@joegrazulis2810 I disagree because I support a wife and 2 kids soon to be 3 kids on $85k. I bought a $380k house two years ago making a lot less than that.
And they know third world countries have higher fertility rates, so there’s an abundance of people to help replace the native population that are suffering the economic crisis
I'm a firm believer that life means more when there's less of it. It's wild how we can view wars on our phones watching casualties go up as a number on a screen, or how people in mega cities can walk around someone in distress who's dying or in danger. I recently visited a few towns that had 100-800 people, it was refreshing how friendly everyone was and how they all seemed to know each other. There were really strong senses of community. The trade off being less career opportunities
@@josiemchannel maybe it could in the right geographical region. But many things you take for granted require resource that 90 people together (and trust me all 90 would NEED to be together) would simply not be able to do. A factory alone requires way more than 90 people. they would need to be spread out and somehow communicate with eachother. all of this is impossible with that low of population. I think 100 million would be feasible if all humans lived in Europe, Asia, and Africa.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
Besides the whole money thing, as a woman, I'm just not willing to risk my body to bring another life (against their will) into this world. I have a genetic disorder and chronic pain which would absolutely be made worse by pregnancy. And then what? I get to struggle through the American health system, trying to find relief for my incurable health issues, all while trying to take care of a child who may or may not have the same genetic disorder I have? No thanks. Not to mention, there's not really any maternal leave in America. Pretty ironic for a country that's begging people to have more kids, no?
Considering that they are leaving women who wanted to have kids to bleed out and die, it's basic self defense to avoid pregnancy. It's historically been the #1 killer of women. And that's made worse now when they've declared they do not care about you. Especially the US, it doesn't even provide women with pelvic floor therapy after birth, which other countries do. They'll leave you a ruined mess just to save a buck.
Except that a vast majority of women are more than willing to take that risk with some chad on a dating app for 20 min on a wednesday and just oopsie abort after the fact or try and baby trap. That is also a reality not just the idea that some women are not able to because of health issues.
So you just need a Silicon Valley angel investor and maybe a reverse SPAC to raise more capital, then you will have babies on Mars! ...we're all screwed
I just don’t like reality in its entirety and don’t want to subject someone else to it, and that isn’t selfish at all-in fact it’s quite the opposite. Just tryna stay humble, healthy, and live my best life
@ Are you actually telling me to kms? Sheesh clearly you didn’t understand my comment. Even though i myself never asked to be here, I’m still going to treasure my own life and live it out the best I can. And I can do that without foisting existence on another person.
@@onionfarmer3044 because people arent sandwiches??? and suicide isnt like throwing away trash??? and sanwiches dont have families and huge consequences when thrown out??? ridiculous to compare them bro
I think I’ll adopt. I get to give someone a better chance at life while experiencing the joy of caring for a child while also not adding to the overall population count. It’s a win-win
I think that is a great idea - unfortunately the adoption system is kind of broken and crazy expensive. It's way cheaper to pop out your own child if you and your partner are able to.
My father ruined the family finances raising 4 kids on a single income. It wasn't just low income, but also stupid choices he made, which created a lot of stress in our lives. My father died early and my mother is now falling behind on retirement. That stress tricked down to his 4 kids, and now we are facing an economy worse than before, and both my parents still believed raising kids is a good thing. What a sick joke! .
There's an ideology plagued being passed from generations to generations in my country that people thought having more children = grants more fortune. Now my country will face economy collapse and low birth rates eventually and i can see the sign clearly. Its always the lower class who got fed up by this propaganda, if only they realized... As the matter of fact its suppost to be a choice, but its unfortunately lots of people born that way similar case as you I hope things turn well in the future
@兽Arufisu things will certainly not turn well for the future. Economies will collaspe. I love capitalism but the very worse of capitalism is destroying the human race. It needs people grow. Fewer people means less growth and eventual decline. Mass migration is only a band ate over a hole in a dam. Solves no problems because the migrants barely have kids themselves when they move. The only people who will survive comfortably are the people who already live in remote villages that barely live off anything anyway. Places that it's hard for survival
Want something crazy, you could penalize the people who dont have children so financially badly, that having children becomes a benefit over not. Dystopian but itd work.
@@alexlapwbcow8174it wouldn't work because you would generate a generation of kids raised by parents with solely monetary benefits in mind. Children need love. If you make them into a necessary product to generate wealth you'll create hell
Part of it is the breakdown in the family unit too. I know people who can barely afford kids, but it’s no big deal because the extended family is more than happy to help care for the children. But a lot of people seem to be on their own nowadays. Their extended family sees helping as a burden and “not their problem”.
A few reasons I can list off the top of my head for the population collapse: gender wars, hookup culture, doomer culture, and financial struggles. Personally, I do also want my own kids, but these reasons, and others, are making it unbelievably difficult 😂
You forgot feminism. The power imbalance between men and women gave distinct roles and women weren't able to push back too much. Now both can survive and live a good life without each other. No one is forced to get along anymore
When we were trying to reduce population people drew a clear correlation with women’s education, birth control, and secularism. Once we started worrying about declining populations and fertility suddenly all the “experts” forgot about them.
@@zs9652the problem is that those heavy handed approaches only work on people who have anything to lose. However the modern doomer with a nihilistic worldview, which is an ever increasing percentage of the young population, just don't have or feel that have anything left to lose or even hope to have in the future so they might as well just choose self deletion and go into the endless night flipping the bird to the elites who would just further increase the speed of the depopulation.
I can only speak for myself but what's the point if we all are born without our consent just to suffer and die ? Also, this world is unjust and rewards evil so why have kids.
I'm not trying to cause an argument, I'm just trying to bring my points to this. Here are some questions I have about this statement (in general); How would you guarantee that your kid would 100% suffer if they were born? If the world was super evil enough to not have kids, why did our parents even bring us into the world in the first place? If the world rewards evil, what can we do (at least in our community and cultures) to change it into rewarding good? What morals can we teach kids to prevent this evil corporate trap and thrive on the planet? Etc. I feel like this way of thinking does have a lot of merit, but it's pretty pessimistic and doesn't cover every situation about the topic.
@@cerealORRH radicallygreen is overall right i always see subhuman peaces of sh** progress in life and the more you dig the more you find ouy this one is just got lucky or this one just knows certain people that's why he's where he is , a lot of nepotism , luck and injustice everywhere , luck is so important in all of this that it just becomes comically unfair and your kid will probably suffer if it's a boy unless he gets the lucky chad genetics ( tall , good looking face , i don't even think that iq matters at all it's only looks ).
@@cerealORRH I'm not the person you initially replied to, but I'd like to answer your questions all the same. It's not that one can know for sure that a kid would suffer if they were born (even though virtually everyone suffers to some extent at some point, some more than others), rather, it's that it's absolutely certain they won't suffer if they are NOT born. I think most of our parents just had kids because it was the "next step" and most just didn't even question whether they want kids in the first place. I'm also sure that a great many had kids without wanting them due to family and societal pressure; with the amount of awful parents there are, it seems obvious to me that they shouldn't have had kids in the first place and probably didn't even consider that was an option. I find it great that an increasing number of people follow through on their wish not to have children and not just succomb to their parents' wish to have grandchildren. Unfortunately though, as long as humans will be humans, it will never be even remotely close to remove suffering or to actually objectively instill "good values".
NO ONE CAN AFFORD KIDS. My cousin has a 23 plate 911 turbo s and even he complains at the cost of taking the kids to McDonalds. £50 for a family of 4 to eat, it should be half that at the most. Fkin ridiculous
Why is he taking them to McDonalds when he could cook the same food for half the cost? The issue is people are lazy and don't want to cook at home. Food is cheap when you prepare your meals for yourself. That has always been the case. You're paying for the convenience when you go to a restaurant of any kind.
@@lukeraymond6927I mean, yeah, that’s the point. we don’t know what he does to afford that Porsche- maybe he has insane working hours. y’all will always blame people when they got no business charging as much as they do for their food anyway. how’s it feel to be a boot licker?
@@lukeraymond6927 Bingo! If people actually stayed together and worked towards goals rather than the vast amount of people glued to cell phones the next trend the fastest car and being fed this illusion of money on tik tok. 2 incomes of 45k is a decent house and still have money if done right to feed a family and more. but oh no shiny object syndrome spend spend spend is really what a big issue is.
This video didn’t convince me why less people is a bad thing. We are consuming so many natural resources and making many animals extinct. Convince me why having less people won’t help with that.
@@MaxP_88 My guy we aren't gonna die out if our population stagnates. There will always be people having kids. It's just that there's a limit on that due to the current economy.
@@MaxP_88Why care about something that's going to happen no matter what we do? 99% of life in Earth's history has gone extinct and so will we. We'll probably be around for another 50 million years if a meteorite doesn't strike.
Communist delusion. There has never been a time in history with so much wealth and confort spread out to most people around the world. An average person in a developing country today has a better and more comfortable life than kings and queens in most of human history.
I'm a 37 years old father to a 3 years old daughter. It's not that we don't want anymore children. We can definitely afford to have two or three more financially and my wife and I are healthy. The problem is the time. We simply don't have what we deem necessary enough time we must give for each child. Our child rearing methods are not those of few decades ago. We do not do physical punishments. So how do you teach a 3 year old child who is smart enough to push a chair to a table, climb on the table and jump off to not do it? With great amount of time, effort and patience. Or, if few decades back, with a good whack. Whacking is the nuclear easy method of teaching a smart but young child not to do something for their own safety. Downside is that this may adversely affect their personality development. Parents could miss the fine line between punishment for teaching purpose vs punishment due to anger. And most of the time, what I see is that parents taking their frustrations and anger out of the most vulnerable under them, their children. The amount of time and effort my wife and I invest in our child is immense. We cannot have another child without halving what we give our first child. Hmmm maybe once she is in school we might but not as of now. Maybe someone can do research on the disappearance of corporal punishment and birth rates.
Kids are quite close to chaos incarnate so, they'll most likely break his stuff at some point with a chance of taking glee in it and on top of all that they are a germ factory so, one wouldn't want them near their stuff for obvious reasons.@@RacerDrag
I make $35k above median household income in my area, own an affordable house, and have no other debt. If I had to pay for childcare, food and necessities for two kids I would need to stop contributing to my 401k and Roth. Additionally I would really need to scale back on "luxuries" like eating healthy, maintaining my vehicle, and having good homeowners/auto insurance. I grew up in a single income household, mom stayed at home, we had vacations every year, and a reasonable amount of toys and luxuries. After playing with an inflation calculator, I'd need to make $175k a year to provide the same lifestyle. I have no path towards making that kind of money despite following in my Dad's footsteps and being in a similar career. Jobs dont pay as much as they used to. The payscale for that career path is nowhere close to how it paid in the 90s. The only reason I was able to buy a house is due to relocating accross the country to a place where housing costs are reasonable and the only reason I was able to pay off my student loans was aggressive budgeting, skipping meals, and living in very substandard housing for a few years. And I'm in a better spot that a lot of my peers. Let that sink in...
@furiousdestroyah9999 lol, ridiculous I know. I track my spending pretty religiously and one of the grocery stores I go to weekly serves as the grocery store where I pick up my staples. I've been going to that same store since 2014 on a weekly basis and have been buying the exact same things. In 2014 my grocery bill was $75/week. Now I spend $200/week on the same stuff. Between 2014-2020 it crept from $75 to $90-ish. But between 2021 to current day it's more than doubled. Even the bare necessities are getting pretty expensive nowadays.
If you had kids, none of what you mentioned would be anywhere near as meaningful to you, than ur kid. When u see that little person that's of ur blood, smile whenever u return, who even looks like you, a part of you. Only then you'll realize "oh man I was wrong in thinking there was something more valuable than my kid"
@@finalboss7956 I don't disagree with that. Some of my friends that have had kids who were previously dinks (dual income no kids) and were previously trying to fire (financial independence retire early) have said the same thing. I probably wouldn't regret it until I retire and social security is defunct and I need to work a couple years past retirement age to make up for the 2-5 lost years of income. I just don't like that I would need to stop what I'm supposed to be doing (contributing to retirement) to start what I'm supposed to be doing (having kids). It shouldn't be one or the other when 20 years ago it wasn't a one or the other choice due to wage stagnation.
imagine finding a significant other that made even half or a quarter what you make. that's straight cash in the bag therefore nothing changes and you can afford a child. Now when she divorces you in 5-10 years and you lose everything because she is "unhappy" is a different story entirely.
Why is everyone concerned about the workforce being smaller due to low population while at the same time being worried about the possibility of ai taking so many jobs? Like those two problems are solutions to each other aren’t they?
@ that’s ok a smaller population doesn’t need as much tax money to support itself right? and jobs in elder care are jobs that are safe. I guess they’ll just need to scale down the production of goods to match that of the smaller population
@@geekgirl616 the size of the population is not the problem. The structure is. When the elderly are a dominating part of the society, the younger ones will have to work harder and pay more to support them. With proportions 6 pensioners per 1 worker it doesnt look good.
Strictly an opinion but it feels like it’s occurring. The movie idiocracy is becoming a documentary. People are getting dumber due to overeliance on technology and those people are populating not knowing the real costs of having kids. While those who are weary of the costs, reality and circumstances of having a kid are not, leading to population collapse. Anyone else feel this way?
Yeah. And what are governments planning? Punishing childless people. As the lack of spending power wasn't the main problem already. But they will never admit it. According to them, the economy is GREAT! If you're a multimilionaire, that is.
The solution is increasing wages and lessening the competition/difficulty at getting a job, rest cannot be controlled unless you want to have total population colapse.
Two things. It costs way too much money . And the second thing is society is selfish and narcissistic. They don't want to sacrifice giving up the "good life".
As a 27 year old woman, I chose to stay single and childfree by choice over a year ago. I’m not willing to sacrifice my body, career, life, freedom, money, mental health and time to follow society’s expectation for women to become wives and mothers.
Especially when men announce loud and clear that they hate women and do not value our sacrifices. Why rip yourself open for men who declare you "used up" after 30? Why marry a guy when guys tell you they'll only love you for another 3 years?
@@defiantlypinki1107 Not to mention, if you live in the US, you’re risking your physical health. The maternal mortality rate here is horrendous, something like 65th in the world
The fact is we don’t feel supported. The world, the country, the structures, the people around us are often things we have to fight against to have kids instead of working with us. You have to REALLY want a kid to have one nowadays or be in a much better than average financial situation. You barely get help in individualistic societies specifically with raising children, maternity/paternity leave is sometimes not enough or nonexistent (US 🙄), literally everything you need to raise a child down to just having enough space is expensive, there are so many divorces and single parents and unhealthy relationships…etc., etc. Raising a child has more hurdles than ever now, you have to be willing to fight through every day.
The solution is not through more collectivism, that destroys economies and leaves people poor. As someone who lives in Argentina, a massive statist model and social welfare only ended with 50% of the country poor, brutal inflation rates, children eating from trash and politicians and everyone around them with multi-millionaire lifestyles. The only solution to poverty is through economic growth.
@@amandabisby3546 All the countries with the best child care, maternity and paternity leave, welfare of any kind, like north european countries, are in a demographic decline. The country with the lowest number of hours worked per year in the world, Germany, has a ridiculously low fertility rate. It's seem counterintuitive, but if give more free time to people, they simply use it to advance their career or hobbies, if we give them more money they use it on vacations or consumption.
@@MaxP_88Economic growth won't matter if only the owning class gets to benefit from it. Production keeps increasing while wages keep going down. Somebody is stealing the money that workers should be receiving
As long as the courts are the way they are, she'll leave you with close to nothing for what she perceives as an upgrade. Laws have to change before the society will, as they changed before and so did the behaviour followed by the society.
@@de14jabs. Dude changing those laws to one where it solely benefits you whilst she gets zero for her time and sacrifices will NOT ensure more babies being born. Are you forgetting its women doing the tanking of them to begin with? 🤔
Working in healthcare, the aging population might just collapse the system entirely. Already there's bed blocks in geriatric wards in my hospital, so much so they're taking away a surgical ward to make a THIRD geriatric ward in my relatively small hospital. Patients are staying for MONTHS waiting for nursing homes or increased home services or they're just really unwell yet the pt and/or family want to pull out all stops for their demented 98 year old grandpa who should've been palliated long ago. Not to mention the staffing crisis. Most nurses DON'T want to work in geriatrics, and the short staffing is extremely dangerous for both staff and patients. I've worked 1:15 with just an aid with acutely unwell patients. I predict the issue will be so dire in years to come that the focus on care will shift from longevity to quality of life and assisted dying will be far more common.
I don’t understand why no one puts the finger at airlines for the decline in birth rates. It is obvious to me, though, that allowing them to travel along with the other passengers, instead of containing them in spaces especially dedicated to families, has done tremendous damage to the reputation of children.
Abolishing special privileges for women in social safety (preferential treatment in family courts, alimony, child support etc) would go a long way to restoring balance without actually changing any modern social achievements.
@@marcussorensen5549 ah, yeah, that. I’m highly, highly skeptical that has any relation to humans. We are not rats. We do not live in the same environment as rats. We aren’t much more psychologically complex than rats. Referencing that study as a way to “prove” that’s where humanity is going feels like a false positive to me. Also heard that the person who conducted the study ran 20-30 similar experiments and decided to pick the one that fit his narrative. Not sure about the truth behind that part, but if that’s the case, it only further invalidates it.
It would probably be better for the planet if the world population dropped down to four or five billion. Wouldn't there be less pollution and higher wages?
well the population decline in richer countries is nothing new. all first wolrd nations will have a birth rate crisis at some point while poorer countries will produce more and more children they can not feed.
Problem is greed. People are focusing on trying to be rich individually instead of together. Might not be rich perse but just to be economically satisfied together.
@leontaecoleman3644 it doesn't even have to be rich people. Ordinary people trying to be rich individually and times that in the millions will create the exact situation we have right now. Basically people are just selfish in a world scale.
Considering a majority of people in the US live paycheck to paycheck and as far as I know it's not that much better for the rest of the world. It's less about being rich and more just wanting to be financially secure. That's not greed. That's survival.
"Reestablishing hope and faith in the future through proper education and guidance." Welp, we're cooked. Looks like we spawned in at the final chapter of the book, huh boys.
We're still headed for 10b people. And the agribusiness is headed for collapse. And climate-driven famine is also affected by humans. Feeding our population is decimating our environmental capital, for instance using more water than is supplied by rainfall, with ground water bores going from 10m a couple of decades ago to 2km to now, just to keep growing enough food. Population HAS to fall. It's an economic challenge to manage economic reduction, but maybe, maybe AI will offer a solution. Although probably an awful solution
No one is saying lets make housing more obtainable by cutting down on regulations and allowing folks more freedom to do it themselves how they want it.
Or banning corporations from owning houses. Only, real people should own houses, not a faceless corporation hoarding thousands or even millions of them.
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 Literally BS. So, WTF should this asset class be treated differently than every thing else? Do you realize what a small fraction of housing stock is owned by your faceless corporations? That even the small amount of houses that are available for rent are typically owned folks that managed to move to a better place and have enough assets to be able to own one other place. You are completely deluded by what the cause of this f'ing problem is.
6:56 I get the feeling that everytime we change nature we end up having to fix what we changed. The internet and our mental health and brain health. Lights and sleep. Cars and pollution. Plastic and microplastics etc.
kids are expensive in a generation where "you'll own nothing and [not] be happy", plus without religion there's little meaning in having kids if you won't "profit" from them neither politically nor economically... plus people have become very selfish and unable to even be a good member of a relationship, people are unfaithful and self-centered, it's very hard to find relationship material out there...
I disagree. When a species overshoots its carrying capacity of its environment, degradation occurs. So we will be dealing with worse conditions than when we showed up. Climate change has been a thing since the beginning of the earth. However it is known to cause mass extinctions. Me personally? I'm fine with the population going down sharply (on paper) because people aren't having kids. It's bad, but still much better than the population going down because water depletion has made food production unfeasible (leading to a crash due to famine). I didn't even know until a couple of months ago that all our water comes from some underground aquifers that are rapidly getting depleted. Exponential growth is wild y'all.
Nothing on this planet could make me want to have a child in my poverty, possibly not be able to feed or house us, not be able to afford real education, not be able to afford both our happiness, and I'll be dam ned to birth a wage slave or soldier for the rich to send off to die. I got a lot of reasons to be childfree. But at this moment it's this, why would I bring another person into suffering and h ell?
That depends on how you define “suitable”. If that definition is a beautiful thin virgin, who wants nothing more than to wait on you and your kid night and day for the rest of her life (aka the trad wife fantasy), then no, you may not.
If I could get a 40 hour a week job that paid $100,000 a year, had full benefits, then me and my gf would start trying to make our kid tomorrow. Hell, we’d make 2 kids if I had an income and benefits like that
i don't want kids bc they're expensive but even if money weren't an issue i'd likely not be a good parent. i would pay for a nanny, and just buy them things to keep them happy. i'm not sure i'd be a present dad especially bc today's society isn't supportive of families. food, rent, schooling, all of it just costs too much
The issue is shown in the graph. The population increase is not distributed well. So Africa, parts of Asia, and the Middle East are above the repopulation limit, while the rest of the world is under it. There are some countries that are in danger of population collapse within this century. For example, Japan has 30% of its population at 65 and older. That means in about 20 years, Japan's population will plummet by 36M people, with very few babies being born to replace that drop. Those population drops are a threat to social structures and safety net programs. And those problems are materializing even now in the United States. As Baby Boomers are retiring, there are fewer workers that can sustain the systems that support them (Medicare and Social Security). These costs are being born by a smaller population.
@@ganthcExactly. I live in the second oldest country in the world and things are already depressing. No hope for the young, only constant decline ahead. Our society depend on people working, consuming and paying taxes. Old people can't do that.
When it comes to this issue, I think the best thing to do is to communicate. Find out why people dont wanna have kids and look into fixing these issues like the high cost of living. Ultimately, it is a personal choice if someone wants to have kids or not. We won't reach everyone, but it's at least a good first step.
This gets deleted from every video about population I comment on, but I think this is amazing and anti-natalism should grow. It saves so much countless suffering, and we are being the biggest heroes ever by preventing suffering. I found out about anti-natalism at 16, and now at 19, I know I will never have children. It's so nice to see birth rates going down globally as so many people are making the right choices. I also think that governments and "celebrities" or people of influence should stay out of people's life choices, as there is so much done to try and push people towards having children when it's just wrong, but the billionaires don't care; they just want more workers and more consumers to keep their empire going. i really hope more and more people go child free and save the world.
I am not being judgemental by saying this, I am genuinely asking. Do you think the human race should go exitinct? If yes for what purpose to save animals, or each other?
@@johnw9038 Choosing not to create life is different from ending it. It's a proactive decision to reduce harm, not a rejection of those who exist. anti natalism is not having any more new life as they never asked to be here but you can't undo the suffering of the ones that exist for now. as long as you don't bring in a child and just life however long you have then there isn't a problem. its extreme anti natalism that wants everyone to die now to prevent new life.
@@brutosmomentos7355 its perfectly fine to ask , most people just say its a death cult view or "well you go first then mate" assuming the view is all life = bad. in short yes anti natalism is the belief that the human race should go extinct as its a sentient lifeform. the main reason i would state is that new life can not consent. I didn't ask to be born, you didn't get a choice if you wanted to be born. we are born due to other people's choices. I'm not a huge enviroment warrior but it could help same with animals but mainly its due to new life not having to suffer. so yes its to save each other or save people who don't exist yet. I would suggest researching it your self as you can find out a lot. I didn't know anything at 16 but in three years i know so much.
Let the population shrink, there's no solution, even if ppl in first world countries had enough money to buy a house and cover their basic needs they wouldn't have kids anyway.
@kayleewilliams1232 What about all the Asian and Nordic countries that have given financial benefits for having children, yet their fertility rate hasn't increased?
I am 59 years old. My oldest was born in 1989 and at that time I was building modular office systems in Baltimore MD. I actually loved the work too. I averaged over 60 hours a week, wonderful family support for us. I was paying a sitter $100.00 a week in 1989. I was making $9.00 for a basic labor job, well you needed to know the system and be more inclined to building items. There's many jobs today not paying $9.00 . When I worked in the modular office systems business, there was a business boom going on. I have no idea what it field pays today but when many jobs still pay less than that, you can't afford kids. Hell you can't afford to live alone. Greed caused this decline world wide. Corporate world went with maximum profits always for the shareholders over getting a lot of profits and all workers have a livable wage, thats for every damn job period. But no, now people are pay check to pay check being told it's their fault. Boomers forget wages matched products sold, that includes homes. Many out of the service got interest free home loans until females and African American asked for the same for their service to America. America said screw you and got rid of it period since more than white men wanted what they earned just the same. I hope every society collapses just because if it happens, everything is reset. Greed has ruined every society today. I pray for a loss of world wide internet. All grids are down and stay down. Many will die but the planet can only handle three billion people without harm to itself. We have over eight billion people in the world. More people is never better. But since humans are a cancer to the earth if we go extinct, all the better for all other life and the planet.
I agree with you up the world collapse part, that wouldn’t be good for anyone. Poor people would still be fucked and being greedy would be the only way not to die.
It simply comes down to cost. The super rich (1%) extracted so much resources from the middle class, that it made it impossible to live a comfortable life with kids.
Other than the financial cost to afford having them, I believe the men vs women gender war heavily plays a part. Dating has become extremely difficult for both genders in different ways and you have far less appeal in having kids thanks to feminism and the "manosphere" on social media, both telling men and women what they should be looking for in a partner; more often than not it's unrealistic for both. Less couples and relationships mean less familes which means less babies. Maybe it's a conspiracy take, but I think it's done by design by the higher ups who want population control.
I don't think so. Look at the Taliban. They were financed by the US to create an enemy against Russia, but then they became hostile towards the USA. I think that's more like how these things worked. Governments liked to prop up feminism but then they became too big to stop, the internet came and as a result the manosphere formed. It's more like in a horror movie where the government creates monsters and they're losing control of them.
With how far we've come a declining birthrate can be positive. A few things should be in place for a smooth decline, health care, education, and reducing waste. People are living longer than ever, but are also sicker longer, good preventive care would help. If a larger percentage of people had access to quality education and/or skilled labor training more people will be able to pursue those jobs. Then there are jobs that could be automated. Higher employment, and lower underemployment means we have to reconsider the value of "unskilled" labor. Retail, cleaners, fast food, farm and factory workers etc. If its a job that needs to be done it should provide a living wage. Lastly, a lot of things are made and literally thrown away, good food destroyed instead of given away, so many things made for the sake of making things that end up in a landfill.
@@hking6232 Well, inflation and stagnant wages are already doing a great job lowering demand. I don't think less population will have nearly as much an effect on demand as that.
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Do you have children yourself?
The children and progeny of the families who are having 10+ children in this current environment are going to eventually replace the people who don't breed and population levels will go back up again.
Rent is $1,500 and jobs pay $12 an hour…
Most money goes to shareholders, so people are tired of being slaves.
Get into a better paying career.
Look on the bright side, if you go to college and graduate with a good degree in STEM or Economics, you can probably get a job that pays 35$ an hour like me!
...Because it hires me for one day a week, because the company is liquidating itself thanks to Bidenomics.
@@Viperness While this might solve the issue for singular persons it doesn't solve it on a systematic level. Not everyone can get into a good paying career, because that would require all careers to be good payed by default.
@@Vipernessyou say that like it’s easy goofy
The sheep aren't breeding and the wolves are getting angry
Lol, rich aren't wolves . They were once sheep aswell.
@@TADA00X12considering most of them are born into wealth, nuh uh
They could be Born in Millionaire family but most became Billionaires themselves @@cloudwyrms9752
Could be from well of family but still became Billionaires themselves @@cloudwyrms9752
@TADA00X12 Sheep and wolves is not about class but mentality. Wolves exploit sheep. No sheep, nobody to be exploited and the wolves need to work themselves which they don't want to.
Honestly our government has no idea how people are suffering these days. I much feel sorry for the disabled people who don’t get the help they deserve
Investing in alternate income streams should be the top priority for everyone right now especially given the global economic crisis we are currently experiencing. Stocks, gold, silver and virtual currencies are still attractive investments at the moment.
You’re correct I make a lot of money without relying on the government. Investing in stocks and digital currencies is beneficial at the moment
Can you show me how to trade profitably, I honestly need another source of steady income
I employ the expertise of a professional for that, Kate Mellon Bruce because it isn’t as easy as it seems
She's active on face book @
Good thing all these old heads grew up “picking themselves by there bootstraps” and know how to “get a job” because it sounds like they are going to need exactly that.
What gets me is that "picking themselves up by their bootstraps" used to be code for we are abandoning you because it's too dangerous/there's nothing that could be done. Now people use the phrase like it's something that can be done when the whole point is that you can't pick yourself up by your bootstraps.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
😂😂😂 it will be fun to see
They will get the govt to put it on the credit card and make us pay for it anyways.
*their
Honesty, I just like getting 8 hours of sleep every single night, having one job and enough free time to do whatever tf I want.
Stop being selfish.
@@Viperness It's not selfishness, it's called not wanting children
@@Viperness why? You should be selfish.
@@Vipernessnice bait
@@jakemartinez9597 wouldn't bother reasoning with someone like that, no critical thinking in the slightest
If I had a kid right now I would be financially ruined. I would never have the possibility of giving them a good life. So why would I bring them into the hell hole I already live in.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
Correct, but survival is not only hardwork but changing your environment also.
@@nirmalmathew97
that's kinda hard to do since they can't do that... when everything is owned by the rich and powerful..
That's an excuse. Stop using it/repeating it just because it sounds good and you jive with the general edgy/sentiment of it. Same with, usually girls, saying they're too worried about climate change and its affects on their theoretical kids. All it does it social mine
Don't have kids, pls ❤
I'm an Ivy League grad who hasn't had a stable job 5 years into the job market... This trend does not surprise me.
Did you go to Darthmouth college
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
Ivy league isn't what it used to be.
What’s your major in?
If you went to an ivy League school you were guaranteed a job at a high-profile company, or working a government job... I think it's all the bureaucracy that's been put in place and people retaining some position they can only be forced out of by a group... It's all really complicated stuff.
The thing about economics is... it's man made. Man made money, made the systems to use money, made the rules to enforce it. It's not like gravity or the rotation of the cosmos. Economic systems can change, so whenever anyone talks about the birth rate and goes off on how it's going to impact economics... I'm very meh about it. Its almost as if the decline in birth rate is a soft rebellion against the system that is choking us to death.
Well said!
On point 💯
That's not true at all. Nature creates systems and stores of energy. Money is a lubricant for value of items and economics a system for that value. Chimps have been to shown to understand the concept. You're not rebels, your cavemen in the Feudal era.
I agree the economic system will find a way to adjust. More jobs will be given to machines.
Forget about money. Just think labor. Labor needs to be done all the time. When you’re retired you don’t provide labor, but you want to consume labor. That’s a problem.
I come from a dysfunctional divorced broken home. I believe that is another huge reason why people aren't interested in having kids. Some people just want to break the cycle and just enjoy their lives.
@@windell1857 Especially galling was the clip of parenting expert Little Lord Elon exhorting us to repeat his mistakes
LOL! Yes, “ father of the year” Elon!!!
Same here
My life has been enjoyed enough. I'm ready to be a father.
@@devilsadvocacywouldn't it be hilarious if after all his efforts and expenditures of raising an army of mini-Elon, all of his kids refuse to procreate even at the threat of losinf their billion dollars inheritance? They just flat out refuse and that is the end of the line for Elon's line. How I gleefully hope for this. 😂
The wolves are wondering why the sheep aren't breeding.
We're waiting for the Good Shepherd to deliver us
@@stevecooper7883 You'll be waiting a long time. But I suppose that doesn't bother you. That's what the "having faith" bit is for, I guess.
where is the damn wolf purger?
More retirees than workers? bold statement assuming there will actually be work.
Bold assumption that anyone will be able to retire. Nothing in the coffers for social assistance
Bold assumption to make that there will still be human beings
Bold to assume the earth will still exist
Robots and AI will take over everything. People wont need to work in 30 years.
@HailAzathoth - Nothing is going to happen to the Earth. It has been here over 4 billion years without us and will continue at least another 4 billion years with or without us.
A lot of people actually want to have children. They just don't have them because they're unable to sustain them.
Honestly, I'm not sure how much of this is really true. I live in the suburbs of Chicago, and you can find a very nice one-bedroom apartment here for around $1500. Assuming you and your partner have at least undergraduate degrees and are employed with those degrees, it's completely doable for a couple to live like that. Over time, as you both gain equity in your jobs, you'll make more money and be able to expand your household and eventually introduce kids into the picture.
Starting a family right off the cuff is definitely not feasible today, but if you play your cards right and have a five-year plan with your partner-and you two are not in huge debt-I think it's very possible. It just has to be the number one priority in your life
I don't think a lot of people want children. It's because we have infinite entertainment options now. We have so much information, games, and movies at our fingertips. Why would anyone want to breed and have some rugrat running around that can only cause you financial hardship? No, it's the internet and cell phones which saved us from incessant baby-making.
A lot of females in their 30s and late 20s want to have kids. Anytime I talk to one of them all they care about is my job and bring up kids into the conversation more often than a girl in early 20s. I couldn’t care about it at this point, those ladies didn’t find me soon enough so I’ll add myself to the not having kids category unless child support and divorce is abolished and I don’t lose everything I’ve worked for.
@@prod5headthis all sounds good on paper but truly isn’t realistic lmao
@rl7329 But I think the issue is even deeper than that. I honestly think people in the past had kids out of boredom. With all the entertainment now, why would you do that? You're telling me you are so bored that you need to have a kid to make life interesting? It boggles my mind.
I'm in my mid 30s. My wife and I had our first kid. He's turning 2 in a few months. I make more money than I ever have in my life (in the top 20% of earners in my country), my wife works part time too, we are both naturally frugal people, and yet we remain financially crippled by taking what is supposed to be a natural, happy step in life, and one which society and governments around the world expect of me. We have to focus to ensure the basics are covered every month, and luxuries like holidays are now practically non-existent. Buying and then paying off a house is a huge financial endeavour. Childcare is extortionate. The working hours lost to looking after your own child make all the difference.
I have friends who make good money, are in solid relationships and have their own homes, but are either holding off on having children or have rejected the idea altogether, because the financial strain is just too much.
You forgot to say that is all worth it.
@@n8works he didn't forget, he just didn't want to lie lmao
@JoseRamirez-ew7vq I guarantee that dude would die for his kid. Love is one hell of a drug. Haha
@@n8works
let's be realistic here...
love isn't financially feasible to feed his child and wife..
I don't give a F about personal anecdotes and statistical exceptions. I want social transformations.
As a 21 yo dude with a gf. No way I'm having kids. I want the system that keeps me poor to collapse. Why would I want anything else. Money means nothing to us. We don't care.
Based. Let the house of cards fall so we can build something that's actually solid and not utter dogshit like this modern era
You are not poor. If the system that makes you poor collapses, then you will find out what poor looks like.
@@erickottke9673 most people from developed countries don’t know what poor is
If they traveled half way across the globe western people will know what poor really means,
@@30kendel Just because someone else has it worse does not magically erase my problems, and certainly doesn't obligate me to welcome artificial obstacles made by the elites
I think that preexisting family norms might also have had an impact. You can only listen to your dad complain about the old ball and chain, your mom constantly being overstressed, and your siblings acting like they want to murder each-other before you just decide that any attempt a starting a family will just lead to constant strife and emotional devastation.
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@@guardsenjoyerif it is a bot they nailed exactly how I feel about the topic 😭
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@@amandabisby3546 They are spawning in YT comments everywhere. Especially self improvement. Pretty annoying
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
The problem isn't that there will be fewer people, but that there will be many more older people than young ones. If you think taking care of children is expensive, just wait until you have to take care of old retired people, be it directly or indirectly through taxes.
And with the current birth rates in europe and north america, in the future young people will have to take care of 3-7 old people per 1 young person. That is catastrophic.
Big time.
I wonder if this would even or if the young generation doesn’t have a huge population when they are old if they have kids there wouldn’t be too many old people to care for, maybe in 150 years or so?
@@Peter-mj6lz can you rephrase yourself, not sure what you said exactly.
But if you are asking how long it would take for this to happen?
It's already happening and it will get as bad as I'm describing it in about 80-200 years depending on the birth rate of the country. The lower, the faster.
@ I’m saying that it might stabilise as we use to have a much lower population.
I think 10-20 years ago it was more common to fear overpopulation.
@@Peter-mj6lz again the problem is not weather we have 1 billion or 100 billion people, the problem is that we will have 70-80%+ of the population be old retired people of 65-100 years old.
I'm getting tired of having to repeat stuff like this, but I'd still like to make my point. The modern world is not in fit condition for raising more kids.
Apparently Egypt, Somalia, Gambia and Afghanistan are great places to rise kids since they have so many.
The modern world wasn't made with normal human beings in mind. Only billionaires and eventually robots
@furiousdestroyah9999 We're slowly approaching the breaking point. What we're witnessing now is just the beginning.
You should look into the Mouse Utopia experiment
People could have said that at any time throughout history. Everything always feels like it's going to shit in an unprecedented way. Focus on your own life, not the state of the entire world... human minds weren't meant for that scale of information and concern overload. Easier said than done in a high-information world, but if you focus on yourself as much as you can, you'll be happier and you'll be able to make it work.
It’s unethical to bring children into poverty.
And to broken homes like half of all kids are born into already
India added 1 billion people in 70 years.
@@rimiserk8277 And how's that working out for them?
Then the unethical will take over the world lmao
@@churblefurblesI guess they will
Handling my own business is exhausting. The last thing I want is to be responsible for another life.
Lets people, less pollution, less idiots, less traffic, more food to go around(sort of), less people to compete with for that 1 job or that house and apartment. Sounds like a win to me.
"less idiots"
Sadly, no. The dumb people will outbreed the smart people, and the human race will become less intelligent over time (because intelligence is partly hereditary). That's the premise of the movie "Idiocracy," and we're seeing it happen today.
And yet, the people like in this video is screaming like it's a huge issue.
@@lcc6149 because it doesn't work if you keep the borders open.
How are we supposed to truly colonize new worlds without more people?
It'll take a few generations of building up, but the major terrestrial bodies combined (sans Venus) can easily hold a few billion people if we only populate them as densely as the Sahara, which is reasonable for ecologically dead worlds, I'd say.
@@keterpatrol7527 In my opinion colonizing is futile in space because the balance value / cost is not worth it, on Earth it's useful to acquire resources. but more than that why colonizing ? Happiness isn't defined by how much territory I conquered.
dont blame the internet. the internet just helped us notice the truth. If we made more money we would all go out more
“You’re lazy”
“You’re entitled”
“Nobody wants to work anymore”
No, it’s just we live in different times! This ain’t the ‘70s and ‘80s!
If people didn't need to work 16 hours a day then maybe there would have been some time to mate. Either that or just increase the hours in a day I suppose 😂
@@aronfranksgamingYup, it's not that nobody wants to work anymore, it's just that nobody wants to give fair compensation for working anymore
It wouldnt do anything, it would make women even more hypergamous.
This!!!
People can't afford children and the rich designed it this way. Stop playing dumb
Feminism did this. As I agree with a lot of what it provided for women it doesn't change the fact it doubled the work force in just a couple years. Then feminism has exploded into the "hate all men" side so now there is also , for the most part, no dual income but with the double in workforce the cost of living has within itself doubled as well now requiring 2 incomes not single incomes but most people are single and with the risk men face when she is "unhappy" and takes all his things on the way out a lot men are finding happiness and solitude living alone and avoiding those risks. As that spreads and men speak about it the more and more men are also content with work video games rinse repeat death.
I know one thing. When the plague hit europe. Its aftermath opened a huge path for former peasants to advance in society. When the price of labour shot up, they got a choice of jobs and got the resources to get educated and increase their standard of living. Should the population decline over time, we should see the price of labour increase for our kids but at the same time, this is why the technocracy is trying to push automation so hard.
I have an engineering degree. I would love to move into the big city, meet a girl, and have a child, but between rent, car payments insurance, student loans, and just general life shit, I feel more compelled to stay at home with my parents in preparation of something bad happening and more cost of living increases. We are sooooo fucked.
City girls make bad wives
Its weird that more and more younger people are well educated but no high earning jobs. Students have more debt than their parents.
Dating apps and social media have truly ruined dating for alot of people. It has manipulated individuals into believing they can always find better even if they have a wonderful partner right in front of them. Nowadays some are having kids without marriage but I still have traditional values and I refuse to be a single mother. As a woman about to enter my 30's, I feel pressure on myself to find a husband before my biological clock runs out. Sadly, the dating market today makes me feel less hopeful it'll ever happen for me.
Yep. It's called the paradox of choice.
Dating apps only exposed how horrible you women are, this is all womens fault. Men gave you rights and you decided to act like degenerate whores who expect a Christian Gray to swoop them up when they hit 30.
Housing is an issue in my country. If more people could afford housing, more would start families.
greedy rich people don’t want to pay us a good wage.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
Housing is a "problem" in your country because it's probably an amazing country with a lot of job opportunities and fun stuff to do. If houses would be cheap half the planet would try to immigrate there... and that would rise the cost of houses.
Holland perhaps?
They make the same claim here in Canada. It's bullshit. It's not about housing, it's about money. And neoliberalism. There are 1.3 million empty homes in this country. Private equity is buying up everything it can. Homeowners don't want their homes to devaluate. Governments won't help because they are owned. And the owners like it the way it is. Lots of profit. Just not for everyone.
I'm waiting to die. I'm not sure it's ethical to bring a kid into a world where I'm waiting to die.
Life is a good thing, but you’re not the only one…
Median Income in USA is $37,500, that means 50% of Americans make less than $37.5k a year.
Median Home Price in USA is $400,000, that means for 50% of Americans, buying a first time Home is almost out of the question in this Life.
Cost of living including Insurance (Medical/Auto/Car), Utilities, Groceries, and basic needs has shot through the roof, inflation is killing the average Person.
And then, y'all wonder why People aren't getting married, why People are quiet quitting, why People aren't having children, why more and more People suffer with mental health issues, and why Population is collapsing.
It always comes down to a simple phrase, it's the economy stupid. If you're someone who makes a decent to good living, you won't really feel the impact of this Economy, but vast majority of Americans are feeling the impact of this Economy, and they are not happy with it. And if this continuous, you will need immigrants to replace your population and workforce because American are just checking out and giving up on any hopes of a good life.
Your median income claim is low by like 110% it's laughably low. 😂
@@dakotadak100 Even if it was triple, you still can't afford a $400k house and live below your means. The cost of housing and rent is just insane. It is not the only factor in the low birth rate but certainly is a big one.
@joegrazulis2810 I disagree because I support a wife and 2 kids soon to be 3 kids on $85k. I bought a $380k house two years ago making a lot less than that.
@@dakotadak100 most of make less then 40k.
@@dakotadak100Good for you
greedy rich people.don’t want to pay us good wages.
Ikr
Their yachts are more important than the continued survival of the human race.
Duh.
And they know third world countries have higher fertility rates, so there’s an abundance of people to help replace the native population that are suffering the economic crisis
@@MSaleh-vy8rrwhy pay us more when they can just give it all away to immigrants? I’m sure they’d get a tax cut on it, too.
And greedy rich people are asking too much money on rent and greedy rich people found loopholes to not pay fair taxes.
I'm a firm believer that life means more when there's less of it. It's wild how we can view wars on our phones watching casualties go up as a number on a screen, or how people in mega cities can walk around someone in distress who's dying or in danger.
I recently visited a few towns that had 100-800 people, it was refreshing how friendly everyone was and how they all seemed to know each other. There were really strong senses of community. The trade off being less career opportunities
I’m beginning to think humans secretly hate each other, and misanthropes are just more outward with it.
There was a study done that said a world wide human population of just 90 people could be self sustaining. 90. We're pushing 10 billion
@@josiemchannel maybe it could in the right geographical region. But many things you take for granted require resource that 90 people together (and trust me all 90 would NEED to be together) would simply not be able to do. A factory alone requires way more than 90 people. they would need to be spread out and somehow communicate with eachother. all of this is impossible with that low of population. I think 100 million would be feasible if all humans lived in Europe, Asia, and Africa.
blame feminism for conditioning women that they think they deserve a better tall handsome rich men as if most men are like that - so a lot of women are getting old and childless
And those people in those towns do the same damn thing
I’m doing my part to fight the population crisis and what do I get for it? I get called a deadbeat dad by everyone 🙄
I’m infertile 😢
Why do you get called that? And by who? God bless you
Bruh lol
someone didn't get the joke
@@Brookigetit Get well soon
Oh I didn't know it was not fixable sorry. Enjoy the moment?
Besides the whole money thing, as a woman, I'm just not willing to risk my body to bring another life (against their will) into this world. I have a genetic disorder and chronic pain which would absolutely be made worse by pregnancy. And then what? I get to struggle through the American health system, trying to find relief for my incurable health issues, all while trying to take care of a child who may or may not have the same genetic disorder I have? No thanks. Not to mention, there's not really any maternal leave in America. Pretty ironic for a country that's begging people to have more kids, no?
Yes, put you first ❤❤
Considering that they are leaving women who wanted to have kids to bleed out and die, it's basic self defense to avoid pregnancy. It's historically been the #1 killer of women. And that's made worse now when they've declared they do not care about you. Especially the US, it doesn't even provide women with pelvic floor therapy after birth, which other countries do. They'll leave you a ruined mess just to save a buck.
true
Except that a vast majority of women are more than willing to take that risk with some chad on a dating app for 20 min on a wednesday and just oopsie abort after the fact or try and baby trap. That is also a reality not just the idea that some women are not able to because of health issues.
I can't even attract a girl to like me. Having kids is as realistic for me as is flying to Mars and become it's emperor =(
So you just need a Silicon Valley angel investor and maybe a reverse SPAC to raise more capital, then you will have babies on Mars! ...we're all screwed
Why have you given up all hope. You give up so easily why? What kind of mindset is that. Things can change you know depending on the steps you take
It’s over for most men and they don’t even know it.
@@ELgeneral-pl9yg you’re a joke
true af
I just don’t like reality in its entirety and don’t want to subject someone else to it, and that isn’t selfish at all-in fact it’s quite the opposite. Just tryna stay humble, healthy, and live my best life
Then why are you still here? If I didn't like a sandwich, I would stop eating it and throw it away.
@ Are you actually telling me to kms? Sheesh clearly you didn’t understand my comment. Even though i myself never asked to be here, I’m still going to treasure my own life and live it out the best I can. And I can do that without foisting existence on another person.
@@onionfarmer3044 she like life just not government live.
@@onionfarmer3044 because people arent sandwiches??? and suicide isnt like throwing away trash??? and sanwiches dont have families and huge consequences when thrown out??? ridiculous to compare them bro
I think I’ll adopt. I get to give someone a better chance at life while experiencing the joy of caring for a child while also not adding to the overall population count. It’s a win-win
You're one of the first comments I've seen that isn't self-absorbed and nobel. Good for you.
I think that is a great idea - unfortunately the adoption system is kind of broken and crazy expensive. It's way cheaper to pop out your own child if you and your partner are able to.
Adoption, the ultimate solution for anti-natalism
Crotch goblins are free to produce 🤷♀️
In the future there won't be enough kids to adopt
My father ruined the family finances raising 4 kids on a single income. It wasn't just low income, but also stupid choices he made, which created a lot of stress in our lives. My father died early and my mother is now falling behind on retirement. That stress tricked down to his 4 kids, and now we are facing an economy worse than before, and both my parents still believed raising kids is a good thing. What a sick joke! .
I hope you and your 3 siblings live together. Since you said you guys struggle so much as kids. As well as house your mother.
This is similar to my family, my dad was disabled in a work accident, so growing up we lived off of my mom's call center wage 😢
There's an ideology plagued being passed from generations to generations in my country that people thought having more children = grants more fortune. Now my country will face economy collapse and low birth rates eventually and i can see the sign clearly. Its always the lower class who got fed up by this propaganda, if only they realized...
As the matter of fact its suppost to be a choice, but its unfortunately lots of people born that way similar case as you
I hope things turn well in the future
@兽Arufisu things will certainly not turn well for the future. Economies will collaspe. I love capitalism but the very worse of capitalism is destroying the human race. It needs people grow. Fewer people means less growth and eventual decline. Mass migration is only a band ate over a hole in a dam. Solves no problems because the migrants barely have kids themselves when they move. The only people who will survive comfortably are the people who already live in remote villages that barely live off anything anyway. Places that it's hard for survival
My apologies. Such a terrible situation. Selfish parents are the worst
The bad people breed much more and the good people don't breed as much
Kids used to be an asset. They've become a liability. That's all.
Want something crazy, you could penalize the people who dont have children so financially badly, that having children becomes a benefit over not. Dystopian but itd work.
@@alexlapwbcow8174 You penalize people for being childless, and you end up with a mass migration out of the country.
@@alexlapwbcow8174it wouldn't work because you would generate a generation of kids raised by parents with solely monetary benefits in mind. Children need love. If you make them into a necessary product to generate wealth you'll create hell
Yeah India, there everywhere..
Woman are the liability 👍
We will be fine. Don't listen to wolves that complain that the sheep aren't breeding.
There’s really no reason for there to be 8 billion people
As it is so often the case, mankind falls from one extreme into the other. At least it's the best time to be alive as an introvert.
It depends. No one wants to make genuine connections anymore. It's extremely sad and lonely.
@@MaxP_88 most aren't worth it more trouble than good they bring me.
@@MaxP_88anymore? no they just realize the nature in them that existed for eternity
Worst time to be alive as an introvert* lol
I’m an introvert and it’s not healthy to be this way as much as I enjoy my alone time
Will not be so good when an introvert gets old, and there will be no one to look after them. Neither own family, nor social workers or nurses.
No one will miss humanity when it’s gone except humanity, and the universe won’t be missing out on anything.
I wouldn't complain if we became less on this planet.
exactly like who cares
"We"😂 not all Cultures are the Same look out for this - ☪️ancer(this your Replacement 😇)
Neither would the planet!
You say that now until it negatively affects you.
Part of it is the breakdown in the family unit too. I know people who can barely afford kids, but it’s no big deal because the extended family is more than happy to help care for the children.
But a lot of people seem to be on their own nowadays. Their extended family sees helping as a burden and “not their problem”.
It’s cuz the welfare state wants the family to be broken down
A few reasons I can list off the top of my head for the population collapse: gender wars, hookup culture, doomer culture, and financial struggles. Personally, I do also want my own kids, but these reasons, and others, are making it unbelievably difficult 😂
You forgot feminism. The power imbalance between men and women gave distinct roles and women weren't able to push back too much. Now both can survive and live a good life without each other. No one is forced to get along anymore
When we were trying to reduce population people drew a clear correlation with women’s education, birth control, and secularism. Once we started worrying about declining populations and fertility suddenly all the “experts” forgot about them.
This is the main reason why the future is going to see a lot of rights stripped away. It is a real danger I think.
@@zs9652the problem is that those heavy handed approaches only work on people who have anything to lose.
However the modern doomer with a nihilistic worldview, which is an ever increasing percentage of the young population, just don't have or feel that have anything left to lose or even hope to have in the future so they might as well just choose self deletion and go into the endless night flipping the bird to the elites who would just further increase the speed of the depopulation.
@@AndrewClunn so more ignorants more babies......ironic
Are you willing to give them up?
@@noradlark167Absolutely not.
I can only speak for myself but what's the point if we all are born without our consent just to suffer and die ?
Also, this world is unjust and rewards evil so why have kids.
I'm not trying to cause an argument, I'm just trying to bring my points to this. Here are some questions I have about this statement (in general); How would you guarantee that your kid would 100% suffer if they were born? If the world was super evil enough to not have kids, why did our parents even bring us into the world in the first place? If the world rewards evil, what can we do (at least in our community and cultures) to change it into rewarding good? What morals can we teach kids to prevent this evil corporate trap and thrive on the planet? Etc. I feel like this way of thinking does have a lot of merit, but it's pretty pessimistic and doesn't cover every situation about the topic.
@@cerealORRH radicallygreen is overall right i always see subhuman peaces of sh** progress in life and the more you dig the more you find ouy this one is just got lucky or this one just knows certain people that's why he's where he is , a lot of nepotism , luck and injustice everywhere , luck is so important in all of this that it just becomes comically unfair and your kid will probably suffer if it's a boy unless he gets the lucky chad genetics ( tall , good looking face , i don't even think that iq matters at all it's only looks ).
@@cerealORRH I'm not the person you initially replied to, but I'd like to answer your questions all the same. It's not that one can know for sure that a kid would suffer if they were born (even though virtually everyone suffers to some extent at some point, some more than others), rather, it's that it's absolutely certain they won't suffer if they are NOT born. I think most of our parents just had kids because it was the "next step" and most just didn't even question whether they want kids in the first place. I'm also sure that a great many had kids without wanting them due to family and societal pressure; with the amount of awful parents there are, it seems obvious to me that they shouldn't have had kids in the first place and probably didn't even consider that was an option. I find it great that an increasing number of people follow through on their wish not to have children and not just succomb to their parents' wish to have grandchildren. Unfortunately though, as long as humans will be humans, it will never be even remotely close to remove suffering or to actually objectively instill "good values".
I will be honest with you. I think life is great. Good is rewarded even if a lot of cancerous evil is taking a hold of the world.
rich people are not in survival mode they are comfortable in their mansions in expensive cars.
NO ONE CAN AFFORD KIDS. My cousin has a 23 plate 911 turbo s and even he complains at the cost of taking the kids to McDonalds. £50 for a family of 4 to eat, it should be half that at the most. Fkin ridiculous
And the ones who are having kids are the ones who should have them least...
Why is he taking them to McDonalds when he could cook the same food for half the cost? The issue is people are lazy and don't want to cook at home. Food is cheap when you prepare your meals for yourself. That has always been the case. You're paying for the convenience when you go to a restaurant of any kind.
@@lukeraymond6927I mean, yeah, that’s the point. we don’t know what he does to afford that Porsche- maybe he has insane working hours. y’all will always blame people when they got no business charging as much as they do for their food anyway. how’s it feel to be a boot licker?
@@lukeraymond6927 Bingo! If people actually stayed together and worked towards goals rather than the vast amount of people glued to cell phones the next trend the fastest car and being fed this illusion of money on tik tok. 2 incomes of 45k is a decent house and still have money if done right to feed a family and more. but oh no shiny object syndrome spend spend spend is really what a big issue is.
This video didn’t convince me why less people is a bad thing. We are consuming so many natural resources and making many animals extinct. Convince me why having less people won’t help with that.
If you don't care about the survival of our species then it's not a problem I guess
the world is set for high population low population will not be a match for the modern world it will not function well.
Idk why people are so hung up on this. Nothing lasts forever.
@@MaxP_88 My guy we aren't gonna die out if our population stagnates. There will always be people having kids. It's just that there's a limit on that due to the current economy.
@@MaxP_88Why care about something that's going to happen no matter what we do? 99% of life in Earth's history has gone extinct and so will we. We'll probably be around for another 50 million years if a meteorite doesn't strike.
Businessmen have hired these youtubers to keep population high so that people can keep suffering and businessmen can keep earning by exploiting them.
BINGO
Communist delusion. There has never been a time in history with so much wealth and confort spread out to most people around the world. An average person in a developing country today has a better and more comfortable life than kings and queens in most of human history.
Lol this is my conspiracy. You can't be so obtuse about why people in developed countries are slowing down on having kids.
@@kharikhy-ree2242 ya cause ya know... feminism and HATE ALL MEN has had absolutely nothing to do with it. It's all the businessmen.
I'm a 37 years old father to a 3 years old daughter. It's not that we don't want anymore children. We can definitely afford to have two or three more financially and my wife and I are healthy. The problem is the time. We simply don't have what we deem necessary enough time we must give for each child. Our child rearing methods are not those of few decades ago. We do not do physical punishments. So how do you teach a 3 year old child who is smart enough to push a chair to a table, climb on the table and jump off to not do it? With great amount of time, effort and patience. Or, if few decades back, with a good whack. Whacking is the nuclear easy method of teaching a smart but young child not to do something for their own safety. Downside is that this may adversely affect their personality development. Parents could miss the fine line between punishment for teaching purpose vs punishment due to anger. And most of the time, what I see is that parents taking their frustrations and anger out of the most vulnerable under them, their children.
The amount of time and effort my wife and I invest in our child is immense. We cannot have another child without halving what we give our first child. Hmmm maybe once she is in school we might but not as of now. Maybe someone can do research on the disappearance of corporal punishment and birth rates.
hmmm seems like all your problems where already fixed.... 60 years ago they never had this problem.
If I have kids, I have to get rid of all my cool shit! Fuck that. Learned from my old man. "Dont have kids"
You sound like a kid.
@@onionfarmer3044 you mean wise man.
@@onionfarmer3044 this is the problem that man wants freedom you want him to be a slave to more responsibilities
@@onionfarmer3044found the leftover woman whos been run through by 600 men 😂
Kids are quite close to chaos incarnate so, they'll most likely break his stuff at some point with a chance of taking glee in it and on top of all that they are a germ factory so, one wouldn't want them near their stuff for obvious reasons.@@RacerDrag
It's selfish and unethical to produce more hungry and homeless kids.
Those kids will have to work until theyre 75... Brutal
This right here is the best and truest answer.
I make $35k above median household income in my area, own an affordable house, and have no other debt. If I had to pay for childcare, food and necessities for two kids I would need to stop contributing to my 401k and Roth. Additionally I would really need to scale back on "luxuries" like eating healthy, maintaining my vehicle, and having good homeowners/auto insurance.
I grew up in a single income household, mom stayed at home, we had vacations every year, and a reasonable amount of toys and luxuries. After playing with an inflation calculator, I'd need to make $175k a year to provide the same lifestyle. I have no path towards making that kind of money despite following in my Dad's footsteps and being in a similar career. Jobs dont pay as much as they used to. The payscale for that career path is nowhere close to how it paid in the 90s.
The only reason I was able to buy a house is due to relocating accross the country to a place where housing costs are reasonable and the only reason I was able to pay off my student loans was aggressive budgeting, skipping meals, and living in very substandard housing for a few years.
And I'm in a better spot that a lot of my peers. Let that sink in...
We just need to cut down on our luxuries like:
*checks list* Food? Shelter? Healthcare?
@furiousdestroyah9999 lol, ridiculous I know. I track my spending pretty religiously and one of the grocery stores I go to weekly serves as the grocery store where I pick up my staples.
I've been going to that same store since 2014 on a weekly basis and have been buying the exact same things. In 2014 my grocery bill was $75/week. Now I spend $200/week on the same stuff. Between 2014-2020 it crept from $75 to $90-ish. But between 2021 to current day it's more than doubled.
Even the bare necessities are getting pretty expensive nowadays.
If you had kids, none of what you mentioned would be anywhere near as meaningful to you, than ur kid.
When u see that little person that's of ur blood, smile whenever u return, who even looks like you, a part of you.
Only then you'll realize "oh man I was wrong in thinking there was something more valuable than my kid"
@@finalboss7956 I don't disagree with that. Some of my friends that have had kids who were previously dinks (dual income no kids) and were previously trying to fire (financial independence retire early) have said the same thing.
I probably wouldn't regret it until I retire and social security is defunct and I need to work a couple years past retirement age to make up for the 2-5 lost years of income.
I just don't like that I would need to stop what I'm supposed to be doing (contributing to retirement) to start what I'm supposed to be doing (having kids). It shouldn't be one or the other when 20 years ago it wasn't a one or the other choice due to wage stagnation.
imagine finding a significant other that made even half or a quarter what you make. that's straight cash in the bag therefore nothing changes and you can afford a child. Now when she divorces you in 5-10 years and you lose everything because she is "unhappy" is a different story entirely.
Why is everyone concerned about the workforce being smaller due to low population while at the same time being worried about the possibility of ai taking so many jobs? Like those two problems are solutions to each other aren’t they?
AI will take your job, but will not pay taxes, buy goods and look after the elderly at the nursing home.
@ that’s ok a smaller population doesn’t need as much tax money to support itself right? and jobs in elder care are jobs that are safe. I guess they’ll just need to scale down the production of goods to match that of the smaller population
@@geekgirl616 the size of the population is not the problem. The structure is. When the elderly are a dominating part of the society, the younger ones will have to work harder and pay more to support them. With proportions 6 pensioners per 1 worker it doesnt look good.
Strictly an opinion but it feels like it’s occurring. The movie idiocracy is becoming a documentary. People are getting dumber due to overeliance on technology and those people are populating not knowing the real costs of having kids. While those who are weary of the costs, reality and circumstances of having a kid are not, leading to population collapse. Anyone else feel this way?
Yes.
Who cares, i'm not gonna be alive to see it play out, and neither will my non existant kids.
That's the non educated approach... Just repeating what the guys on reddit say
@@viktorkolaric4156 lol true
Yeah. And what are governments planning? Punishing childless people. As the lack of spending power wasn't the main problem already. But they will never admit it. According to them, the economy is GREAT! If you're a multimilionaire, that is.
The solution is increasing wages and lessening the competition/difficulty at getting a job, rest cannot be controlled unless you want to have total population colapse.
Am I the only one who just doesn't find joy when being around children? 🤷🏼♂️
children being pleasant in any way is a cope and gaslight that has run it's course for far too long.
You're not alone. They're simply small annoying humans. I never had a desire to have children.
Childcare is too expensive in the UK and the US so women often have to choose between having kids and advancing in their careers.
Most are career driven, because the income is certain. Children are not!
So it makes sense.
Two things. It costs way too much money . And the second thing is society is selfish and narcissistic. They don't want to sacrifice giving up the "good life".
We decided that it is immoral beyond words to inflict a life sentence on another human being on this cesspool of a planet.
As a 27 year old woman, I chose to stay single and childfree by choice over a year ago. I’m not willing to sacrifice my body, career, life, freedom, money, mental health and time to follow society’s expectation for women to become wives and mothers.
Better not cry once you hit the wall 😉
@@HailAzathothbetter not cry when i dox u
Do what makes you happy. The ones screeching probably aren't having kids themselves but because their personalities are terrible.
Especially when men announce loud and clear that they hate women and do not value our sacrifices. Why rip yourself open for men who declare you "used up" after 30? Why marry a guy when guys tell you they'll only love you for another 3 years?
@@defiantlypinki1107 Not to mention, if you live in the US, you’re risking your physical health. The maternal mortality rate here is horrendous, something like 65th in the world
The fact is we don’t feel supported. The world, the country, the structures, the people around us are often things we have to fight against to have kids instead of working with us. You have to REALLY want a kid to have one nowadays or be in a much better than average financial situation.
You barely get help in individualistic societies specifically with raising children, maternity/paternity leave is sometimes not enough or nonexistent (US 🙄), literally everything you need to raise a child down to just having enough space is expensive, there are so many divorces and single parents and unhealthy relationships…etc., etc.
Raising a child has more hurdles than ever now, you have to be willing to fight through every day.
The solution is not through more collectivism, that destroys economies and leaves people poor. As someone who lives in Argentina, a massive statist model and social welfare only ended with 50% of the country poor, brutal inflation rates, children eating from trash and politicians and everyone around them with multi-millionaire lifestyles. The only solution to poverty is through economic growth.
@@amandabisby3546 All the countries with the best child care, maternity and paternity leave, welfare of any kind, like north european countries, are in a demographic decline. The country with the lowest number of hours worked per year in the world, Germany, has a ridiculously low fertility rate. It's seem counterintuitive, but if give more free time to people, they simply use it to advance their career or hobbies, if we give them more money they use it on vacations or consumption.
@@MaxP_88Economic growth won't matter if only the owning class gets to benefit from it. Production keeps increasing while wages keep going down. Somebody is stealing the money that workers should be receiving
Society has made my life miserable so I'm going make the society miserable. Sorry(not sorry)
Rich wants servant to serve them and corporate want customers buy cheap products.
Yaa we are not going to create wage slave and consumers for the rich
I will want kids when I find that right someone to create a home full of love with 🙂 children are a blessing, when you have a home full of love
Yeah, too bad people are very incompatible nowadays.
As long as the courts are the way they are, she'll leave you with close to nothing for what she perceives as an upgrade.
Laws have to change before the society will, as they changed before and so did the behaviour followed by the society.
**sitcom orchestra plays the “La-La-La!” tune** 🎵 🎶
@@de14jabsmen leave women for younger models so stop with the crap friend. It's a both sex issue and men are 50 percent accountable
@@de14jabs. Dude changing those laws to one where it solely benefits you whilst she gets zero for her time and sacrifices will NOT ensure more babies being born. Are you forgetting its women doing the tanking of them to begin with? 🤔
Working in healthcare, the aging population might just collapse the system entirely. Already there's bed blocks in geriatric wards in my hospital, so much so they're taking away a surgical ward to make a THIRD geriatric ward in my relatively small hospital. Patients are staying for MONTHS waiting for nursing homes or increased home services or they're just really unwell yet the pt and/or family want to pull out all stops for their demented 98 year old grandpa who should've been palliated long ago. Not to mention the staffing crisis. Most nurses DON'T want to work in geriatrics, and the short staffing is extremely dangerous for both staff and patients. I've worked 1:15 with just an aid with acutely unwell patients.
I predict the issue will be so dire in years to come that the focus on care will shift from longevity to quality of life and assisted dying will be far more common.
I don’t understand why no one puts the finger at airlines for the decline in birth rates. It is obvious to me, though, that allowing them to travel along with the other passengers, instead of containing them in spaces especially dedicated to families, has done tremendous damage to the reputation of children.
hell is 1 plane 4 screaming babies.
Abolishing special privileges for women in social safety (preferential treatment in family courts, alimony, child support etc) would go a long way to restoring balance without actually changing any modern social achievements.
I totally agree, and I’m a female.
Curious how our civilization is closely following the trajectory of the 'Universe 25' experiment about the behavioral sink.
What’s that?
Is that another name for the rat utopia experiment?
@@gravelpit557correct, John Calhoun’s rodent paradise experiment from 1972
@ColeHastings is gonna be in for a ride after he googles that
@@marcussorensen5549 ah, yeah, that. I’m highly, highly skeptical that has any relation to humans.
We are not rats. We do not live in the same environment as rats. We aren’t much more psychologically complex than rats. Referencing that study as a way to “prove” that’s where humanity is going feels like a false positive to me.
Also heard that the person who conducted the study ran 20-30 similar experiments and decided to pick the one that fit his narrative. Not sure about the truth behind that part, but if that’s the case, it only further invalidates it.
It would probably be better for the planet if the world population dropped down to four or five billion. Wouldn't there be less pollution and higher wages?
well the population decline in richer countries is nothing new. all first wolrd nations will have a birth rate crisis at some point while poorer countries will produce more and more children they can not feed.
Yeah, it's weird and people are weird. I understand and like animals way better than people.
@@craigs1437Humans are animals. Start with that if u want to understand them
@@craigs1437Ofc you say that because you’re not an animal lmao
@@coffeebean4356 Siberian tigers are loyal animals and will never let you down. Makes sense?
Problem is greed. People are focusing on trying to be rich individually instead of together. Might not be rich perse but just to be economically satisfied together.
it’s greedy rich people that don’t want to pay hardworking Americans.a livable wage because they want control.
greedy rich people
@leontaecoleman3644 it doesn't even have to be rich people. Ordinary people trying to be rich individually and times that in the millions will create the exact situation we have right now. Basically people are just selfish in a world scale.
Considering a majority of people in the US live paycheck to paycheck and as far as I know it's not that much better for the rest of the world. It's less about being rich and more just wanting to be financially secure. That's not greed. That's survival.
@LenaraFetton those people are the effects of my comment. They are the results from greedy people.
"Reestablishing hope and faith in the future through proper education and guidance." Welp, we're cooked. Looks like we spawned in at the final chapter of the book, huh boys.
Final chapter of Capitalism for sure. Humanity will survive one way or another
We're still headed for 10b people. And the agribusiness is headed for collapse. And climate-driven famine is also affected by humans. Feeding our population is decimating our environmental capital, for instance using more water than is supplied by rainfall, with ground water bores going from 10m a couple of decades ago to 2km to now, just to keep growing enough food.
Population HAS to fall. It's an economic challenge to manage economic reduction, but maybe, maybe AI will offer a solution. Although probably an awful solution
AI consumes entire rivers worth of fresh water. Humans already have brains, we just need to use them.
No one is saying lets make housing more obtainable by cutting down on regulations and allowing folks more freedom to do it themselves how they want it.
Or banning corporations from owning houses.
Only, real people should own houses, not a faceless corporation hoarding thousands or even millions of them.
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 Literally BS. So, WTF should this asset class be treated differently than every thing else? Do you realize what a small fraction of housing stock is owned by your faceless corporations? That even the small amount of houses that are available for rent are typically owned folks that managed to move to a better place and have enough assets to be able to own one other place. You are completely deluded by what the cause of this f'ing problem is.
America is in a paradox where what is actually the solution (capitalism and deregulation) is thought to be the problem by many people
Lmao if anything more regulations are need to stop corps from buying all the fking houses 😂
@@HailAzathoth You are unable to reason based on facts.
I love my children dearly but at the same time I regret birthing slaves to capitalism in the United States.
6:56 I get the feeling that everytime we change nature we end up having to fix what we changed. The internet and our mental health and brain health. Lights and sleep. Cars and pollution. Plastic and microplastics etc.
kids are expensive in a generation where "you'll own nothing and [not] be happy", plus without religion there's little meaning in having kids if you won't "profit" from them neither politically nor economically... plus people have become very selfish and unable to even be a good member of a relationship, people are unfaithful and self-centered, it's very hard to find relationship material out there...
The world was just fine at 2 billion people. It'll be fine when it comes back down to 2 billion people.
I disagree. When a species overshoots its carrying capacity of its environment, degradation occurs. So we will be dealing with worse conditions than when we showed up. Climate change has been a thing since the beginning of the earth. However it is known to cause mass extinctions. Me personally? I'm fine with the population going down sharply (on paper) because people aren't having kids. It's bad, but still much better than the population going down because water depletion has made food production unfeasible (leading to a crash due to famine). I didn't even know until a couple of months ago that all our water comes from some underground aquifers that are rapidly getting depleted. Exponential growth is wild y'all.
Nothing on this planet could make me want to have a child in my poverty, possibly not be able to feed or house us, not be able to afford real education, not be able to afford both our happiness, and I'll be dam ned to birth a wage slave or soldier for the rich to send off to die.
I got a lot of reasons to be childfree. But at this moment it's this, why would I bring another person into suffering and h ell?
I want kids, but cant find a suitable to girl to have them with :(
That depends on how you define “suitable”. If that definition is a beautiful thin virgin, who wants nothing more than to wait on you and your kid night and day for the rest of her life (aka the trad wife fantasy), then no, you may not.
If I could get a 40 hour a week job that paid $100,000 a year, had full benefits, then me and my gf would start trying to make our kid tomorrow. Hell, we’d make 2 kids if I had an income and benefits like that
i don't want kids bc they're expensive but even if money weren't an issue i'd likely not be a good parent. i would pay for a nanny, and just buy them things to keep them happy. i'm not sure i'd be a present dad especially bc today's society isn't supportive of families. food, rent, schooling, all of it just costs too much
I'm literally on the same page!
Literally
There is no "underpopulation problem". We are still adding 80 million people every year.
Unfortunately countries like india and Nigeria are breeding out of control!
They're really talking about Western civilization.
The issue is shown in the graph. The population increase is not distributed well. So Africa, parts of Asia, and the Middle East are above the repopulation limit, while the rest of the world is under it. There are some countries that are in danger of population collapse within this century. For example, Japan has 30% of its population at 65 and older. That means in about 20 years, Japan's population will plummet by 36M people, with very few babies being born to replace that drop. Those population drops are a threat to social structures and safety net programs. And those problems are materializing even now in the United States. As Baby Boomers are retiring, there are fewer workers that can sustain the systems that support them (Medicare and Social Security). These costs are being born by a smaller population.
@@ganthcExactly. I live in the second oldest country in the world and things are already depressing. No hope for the young, only constant decline ahead. Our society depend on people working, consuming and paying taxes. Old people can't do that.
@@barondino4628Something is gonna have to give, whether that's the young people or the old people.
The answer here is obvious, just saying ✋😂✋
We might just be called the Last Generation
Man that would have been so accurate if only Gen alpha wasn't a thing. Now instead of "Z" being the last it's "A" 😂
When it comes to this issue, I think the best thing to do is to communicate. Find out why people dont wanna have kids and look into fixing these issues like the high cost of living. Ultimately, it is a personal choice if someone wants to have kids or not. We won't reach everyone, but it's at least a good first step.
This gets deleted from every video about population I comment on, but
I think this is amazing and anti-natalism should grow. It saves so much countless suffering, and we are being the biggest heroes ever by preventing suffering. I found out about anti-natalism at 16, and now at 19, I know I will never have children. It's so nice to see birth rates going down globally as so many people are making the right choices. I also think that governments and "celebrities" or people of influence should stay out of people's life choices, as there is so much done to try and push people towards having children when it's just wrong, but the billionaires don't care; they just want more workers and more consumers to keep their empire going.
i really hope more and more people go child free and save the world.
I am not being judgemental by saying this, I am genuinely asking. Do you think the human race should go exitinct? If yes for what purpose to save animals, or each other?
Go on then, you take the first step if life itself is so bad
@@johnw9038 Choosing not to create life is different from ending it. It's a proactive decision to reduce harm, not a rejection of those who exist.
anti natalism is not having any more new life as they never asked to be here but you can't undo the suffering of the ones that exist for now. as long as you don't bring in a child and just life however long you have then there isn't a problem. its extreme anti natalism that wants everyone to die now to prevent new life.
@@brutosmomentos7355 its perfectly fine to ask , most people just say its a death cult view or "well you go first then mate" assuming the view is all life = bad.
in short yes anti natalism is the belief that the human race should go extinct as its a sentient lifeform. the main reason i would state is that new life can not consent.
I didn't ask to be born, you didn't get a choice if you wanted to be born. we are born due to other people's choices. I'm not a huge enviroment warrior but it could help same with animals but mainly its due to new life not having to suffer.
so yes its to save each other or save people who don't exist yet.
I would suggest researching it your self as you can find out a lot. I didn't know anything at 16 but in three years i know so much.
@@johnw9038 the first step in anti natalism is not having kids but i assume your suggesting me to kill my self because i believe that life is bad.
Let the population shrink, there's no solution, even if ppl in first world countries had enough money to buy a house and cover their basic needs they wouldn't have kids anyway.
Echo chamber mind
@marcussorensen5549 why echo chamber? What's your take?
@@Tfk-mf6bs he does not have one, he is a fool
@@Tfk-mf6bsplenty would have kids with enough money friend. Most just don't want to subject their would be kids to being poor and suffering
@kayleewilliams1232 What about all the Asian and Nordic countries that have given financial benefits for having children, yet their fertility rate hasn't increased?
I am 59 years old. My oldest was born in 1989 and at that time I was building modular office systems in Baltimore MD. I actually loved the work too. I averaged over 60 hours a week, wonderful family support for us. I was paying a sitter $100.00 a week in 1989. I was making $9.00 for a basic labor job, well you needed to know the system and be more inclined to building items. There's many jobs today not paying $9.00 . When I worked in the modular office systems business, there was a business boom going on. I have no idea what it field pays today but when many jobs still pay less than that, you can't afford kids. Hell you can't afford to live alone.
Greed caused this decline world wide. Corporate world went with maximum profits always for the shareholders over getting a lot of profits and all workers have a livable wage, thats for every damn job period. But no, now people are pay check to pay check being told it's their fault. Boomers forget wages matched products sold, that includes homes. Many out of the service got interest free home loans until females and African American asked for the same for their service to America. America said screw you and got rid of it period since more than white men wanted what they earned just the same.
I hope every society collapses just because if it happens, everything is reset. Greed has ruined every society today. I pray for a loss of world wide internet. All grids are down and stay down. Many will die but the planet can only handle three billion people without harm to itself. We have over eight billion people in the world. More people is never better. But since humans are a cancer to the earth if we go extinct, all the better for all other life and the planet.
I'm glad I don't hate everyone as much as you do.
"I pray for a loss of world wide internet."
There's a certain irony in you writing this on the Internet...
I agree with you up the world collapse part, that wouldn’t be good for anyone. Poor people would still be fucked and being greedy would be the only way not to die.
It simply comes down to cost. The super rich (1%) extracted so much resources from the middle class, that it made it impossible to live a comfortable life with kids.
"See each other succeeds..."
Politicians: not in my dictionary
Billionaires: Haha that's so cute my little slave 🥰.
Now go back to the mines
The world is way to unpredictable for me to want a kid right now.
My only question is: WHY BOTHER HAVING KIDS?
30 and childfree. Best decision ever ❤
Other than the financial cost to afford having them, I believe the men vs women gender war heavily plays a part. Dating has become extremely difficult for both genders in different ways and you have far less appeal in having kids thanks to feminism and the "manosphere" on social media, both telling men and women what they should be looking for in a partner; more often than not it's unrealistic for both. Less couples and relationships mean less familes which means less babies.
Maybe it's a conspiracy take, but I think it's done by design by the higher ups who want population control.
I don't think so. Look at the Taliban. They were financed by the US to create an enemy against Russia, but then they became hostile towards the USA. I think that's more like how these things worked. Governments liked to prop up feminism but then they became too big to stop, the internet came and as a result the manosphere formed. It's more like in a horror movie where the government creates monsters and they're losing control of them.
Well, maybe it's a similar take but absolutely lovely that I can't go back and edit my answer.
@@justachannel8600exactly the manosphere formed to counter feminism
Mgtow
With how far we've come a declining birthrate can be positive. A few things should be in place for a smooth decline, health care, education, and reducing waste. People are living longer than ever, but are also sicker longer, good preventive care would help. If a larger percentage of people had access to quality education and/or skilled labor training more people will be able to pursue those jobs. Then there are jobs that could be automated. Higher employment, and lower underemployment means we have to reconsider the value of "unskilled" labor. Retail, cleaners, fast food, farm and factory workers etc. If its a job that needs to be done it should provide a living wage. Lastly, a lot of things are made and literally thrown away, good food destroyed instead of given away, so many things made for the sake of making things that end up in a landfill.
There will be more jobs and the companies have to behave good to keep a good employer. Im fine with that.
Young people will have to take care for 4-7 retired old people, be it directly or indirectly through absurd taxes... enjoy that.
Less population means less demands of products which means less jobs.
@@hking6232 less unnessesary jobs. Humanity needs to focus on the more important things in life
@@hking6232 Well, inflation and stagnant wages are already doing a great job lowering demand. I don't think less population will have nearly as much an effect on demand as that.
What jobs? AI will do everything for us