even if you are really good at pvp in an mmo, there should never be a situation where you can 1v10 someone, take no damage, and then pop their whole group. Its poor balance
@@canisinumbra its very possible in eso. Builds have no downsides. You have endless resources, healing, giant damage, and youre a missive tank. Its horrible balance. You hsould have to chose and have weaknesses, not just be able to be a one man army
@@zombiegodsire But it only looks like that. People know when to go offensive and stay defensive, using CC immunity to their advantage, kiting/LoS. They heal in advance by keeping their HoTs up. Then they go for burst in a narrow window. You need to know when to strike. Things like Occult Overload with 12800 damage (you cannot block nor shield or otherwise mitigated) got nerfed/fixed. It’s still a problem NPCs can proc it on you but 1v10 without such a thing is very hard to pull off.
@@canisinumbra it absolutely in no way does not "just look like that" people can stand in one place and take 5+ people and never go down. There is no balance whatsoever in this game. And when two people with builds like that meet, it takes them forever to even scratch one another. It's obnoxious, and isn't fun for 80% of the people playing it. Which is why it isn't popular
@@zombiegodsire It definitely looks like that because they get damage, they just outheal it at the same time. No one just can stand there and eat all damage without any effort. I have met some dudes who tried that, even teabagged like „cannot damage me hurhur“ and out of a sudden they dropped from 100% to execute, totally underestimated right timed burst.
This is one of the main reasons I didn't end up playing this game. I played a few years ago long enough to get to pvp and there just wasn't balance at all. Every game has META but I did a ton of research and to find out the "meta" builds can steam roll 1v5+ then there is no point.
@@drewperez7924 Those arent meta those are useless people that skilled players will just ignore. Meta is the high damage sets that come out that havent been nerfed
I wish they had a BG mode where everyone playing gets the same exact gear. That might help level the playing field a little. As it stands, newer players are up against high skill level of vet players equipped with top of the line builds. If we all had the same gear, it might be more fun.
@@midnightsoulband9320 not a good example otherwise I wouldn’t be in PVP matches where one guy is carrying his entire team is unkillable and talking 8 guys on his own and winning. That’s not MMR
That’s pointless and dumb in a game where the whole point is to get better gear/skills/exp. Instead they should standardize damage and health/armor but keep like the bonuses of gear so it’s still useful to have a good build
The big problem are ball groups or zergs with specific sets. Sets like plaguebreak and dark convergence (+occult overload) were meant to be AGAINST ballgroups/zergs, but now they use it too (noone knew this before?!?!) and this makes it even worse. Always the same---> Pb+Dc+Occult+spin to win and graveyard, and on top we have the performance issues where you have to break free 3 or 4 times. What I never understood: Some players are solo in cyrodill, they run faster than a porsche 911, are unkillable even vs. 5+, hit like a truck and never get any sustain problems. How?
You want ball groups to hate you, get Cold Stone trebuchets. If 2-3+ people can land a cold stone hit on a ball group they'll either die or go somewhere else...lol
They are not unkillable, they kite fast and its how they supress damage, if you hit them with a good build and combo they'll die. For damage its really esay to get and anyone with no buff or heals active Can die fast with the actual state of dmg 👍
just block like 95% of all ccs thrown at you and dodge the rest, build swift if you like to kite and infused if your more brawly. its mostly sets combined with crazy high wpn damage that our heals high enough to tank thru 5-10 people at a time
So literally what you saying is „the problem is that are people in cyro“ you cant put a name on it and describe it as evil, its other person playing together, just smarter, more efficient and they on comms. So whats the difference between a 0815 zergling just choosing a class, some sets and play the game? Exaxtly nothing just the 1 cry in the internet and the other killing stuff. You cant say beeing on the receiving end is unfair lmao just switch your build, mates or learn some skill. Its like poland would have told germany you cant invade us we are less people and our military doesnt work together
2:50 man you didnt cast a single heal in 5 sec while getting pressured, you Cant complain about dying here. That dude casted his heals and spammed whip, leap that gives a shield that also heal so he obviously wont take damage. Thats not about Gears but about actual understanding of the game mechanics.
@@Acooky. 7+ minutes showing that the one who complains knows very little about PvP. It's funny that those clips have more views than clips where players share knowledge and actually helps people.
This is why I'm a big advocate for no gear progression in PVP , PVP should be about knowledge and skill not who ever has more gear, it only serves to create situations like this and its only fun for people who don't actually have skill so they need to kill people who don't have a chance to begin with, it's one of the reasons why GW2 was one of the few MMOs that I actually PVPed a lot.
That's not going to help new players at all. The reasons they are dying so much is because they don't understand the basic mechanics of the game, not their fault zos does a horrible job at explaining it
It is about knowledge and skill. You think the sets play the game? Get a new player, put him in meta sets, dump them in cyro and watch them die repeatedly
You can play in no cp which offers what you want, no sets available and no champion points, but if you don't know the game's mechanics you will get killed the same.
What i'd like to see is an expanded death recap, different windows, one shows you the gear of the person who killed you and another shows you what abilities is on their bar, this is something ESO has needed for many years and many other PvP games have had for years
I agree but at the same time I don't bc then after abt a month of some dude coming up with an off the wall build with a set rarely used or a skill then a good couple people would get on it
An easy fix and suggestion I have for everyone getting into pvp. Join a pvp guild and take their advice. Grinding gear is easier then ever. The way to build a pvp toon is easy enough to understand. Cyro and ic is losing its player base because of performance.
@itstheshayne enyhsehtsti you don't. There is hundreds of ways to group comp in pvp. Usually 2-4 tanks healers in support sets, 2 dedicated healers, and the rest dps.
@@Thatnativeson sure. Use one of the 3 viable play styles out of the 100s of available sets and skills. Be a clone or you can't compete. Why have so much variety when you can't use any of it. The whole any class can be anything style of gameplay just made everyone be the same. There are no actual roles in the rpg. Makes this game a joke. Being a NB mage tank is stupid imo. No individuality at all. Or a streak sorc with all heavy armor. Also dumb. Freedom and no distinguished roles just kills the magic. It's ok if you like it. But you can't deny it
I have to say I die 90% of the time due to server lag on console, not being able to bar swap or my ultimate no going off. All that and also being from Australia and the main server being 9000 km away
Hey Guys Im the mysterious Ball Group you always wanna blame for everything. Guess what? We are humans, we own a headset and a discord server and are able to speak a language. Next to that most of us own a controller or a keyboard so we can give our characters some commands. If you fullfill this criteria, you already got the same initial position to have the same success. From there on, we time commands so they are more efficient. We go out to find outnumbered fights. And no, atleast not our group never even start a fight if the enemys are less than us, but maybe you are the one following us since 20min on a tank werewolf spamming fear so you might eat 4 DB‘s at the same time but hey you asked for it. And i know lot of you cant imagine, but we READ skill and set descriptions and figure out if that would make us stronger. Our people need get sets, level stuff and invest gold, we need to find a time slot everybody can play. Most time we weaken every single player of the group as a individual to be me more potent as a whole group. So theres no solo plays or kills possible because in those set ups you will loose against everybody on a 1v1. Not even 1 of those points gets considered by solo or small scale players ( which we do also imagine) before talking shit about ballgroups in the internet. IM SORRY but you not supposed to win on a ganker/vX build against us. Its just common sense so get your friends online and challange us instead cry on youtube And last, sometimes we got some sweaty days, so even read the new patch notes and use our brain to adjust to it.
so true. i got pooped on in pvp my first 30 games until i became the one pooping on noobs.. took me about 10-20 hours of pvp to get good. but now the game is bland and boring.. no pvp updates is why i quit
I used to watch a high level pvper in Twitch who has been emperor a couple of times and he says he likes how unbalanced the PVP is. He said people just don't know how to build for pvp
can you do a video explaining the payment model of ESO. I've been playing for a while and I still can't seperate in my head dlcs expansion and the base game price
For the $15 sub you get all the DLCs except the most recent story chapter, which you will need to buy. When a new chapter is released the previous story chapter will become playable in just the subscription.
thats not true at all. you have to spec for pvp properly. its very much about build. learn how to build for pvp. from a pvper. stop taking bad advice from pve focused youtubers.
I am one of those in between players that you claim do not exist. It just comes down to wanting to be better, and not having an ego. I think you might overestimate yourself, and place blame on the game, or imbalances, rather than figuring out your next step to becoming better. I don't consider myself very good, and that's why I will always improve. I also use base game sets, so its not entirely a build thing. I have figured out what works best for me, and my playstyle, and continue to fine tune things when I find areas that can be improved. I main the same class, and have for years. I play when my class sucks, and when it's good. I don't look for easy results. I recorded, and uploaded an approximately one minute long video today, which I suggest everyone takes a look at. You'll notice a difference in movement, awareness, and adaptability. Again, I am not good, but I would like people to understand that, even with all of the games flaws, the desire to better yourself is the most important thing.
Actually, now that I think about it, your slow movement indicates the use of a controller. If that is the case, I would suggest trying a mouse, and keyboard again. I've always felt that a controller sacrifice performance for comfortability.
I think you are missing the point... Getting better takes an insane investment. Just getting decent takes a heavy investment. It does not help grow the PvP community. It erodes it.
@@nicolaidanielsen3557 I don't believe that's true. It just creates levels to it, like all things. The more you practice, the better you are. The skill ceiling is so high, that people are frustrated that they cannot be top tier. Wrestlers don't bitch about how hard it is to become an Olympic champion. If they want to become that good, then they put in the work, and do what it takes. In ESO, people want to be Olympic champion level, while putting in less effort than an amateur. You are as good as you are, and that is based on experience, technical skill, which also develops with more experience/practice. There is no "it should be". If people are frustrated with how they perform against others, then they should practice, and not be complaining about it on TH-cam, or any other platform. That's how world class athletes get to their level, and that's how the best PvPers get to theirs as well. Practice.
I tried to get into this game and pvp and it's just way to costly to get into in term of farms and hours. That's the main issue. If you could for example have access to any gear or standardized gear this would help new player because you at least know you had equal gear and the guy was/is just good. I like that approach and it works well for gw2 but it's still not enough. I fail to see how the mmorpg pvp can be improved to not have that immense knowledge step with gear, skills, way to play your build, what other build for skill, etc. It's a huge step and often discourage new player.
Yoo, that is me on your Death Recap at 5:35 haha! My name is @fluffy_fr0zR ingame and I actually stream PVP on Twitch aswell. Thats my new Magicka Warden there, Nature Stuff.
this video sums it up pretty good no matter what i do i just die no matter what gear i take with me i just die, Low level pvp was really enjoyable but after i hit max level thats it no more fun.
Yeah I totally feel that way too I started at lauch but I'm only magplar cp531 cuz I've been playing on and off since launch I recently gotten into pvp to get a set for my build but AD get curve stomped lol I get decimated easily I think I won one duel again a 1400 ish cp dk who probably wasn't even trying I know all I can do is try to stun during a gank or heal but gotta say it's frustrating to see a 1k cp able to tank a dozen 2k cp dps
The reality is that this "unbalance" is 99% either caused by any procs and mythics or lack of knowledge of new players, which is expected of course, both in their builds and also gameplay mechanics, like managing buffs. Totally agree on the "should be more information by the game itself" point, but lets be realistic, the entire game needs it, the /help window is a joke, who would think to do that and read all that info (which is none for pvp). Knowing that i agree with that which is the companies fault, what is the best path for new players to do, when you wanna learn about something? You google, you search on youtube, of course theres lots of Bs but also lots of good information. If you want actually educational info, from players that know what they are doing and are the ones "stomping", Hoarcrux channel has educational commented gameplay for Dps pvp. ICY Fire gaming chanel is entirely dedicated to pvp healing, builds, tips, gameplay, info etc. And just like in any game or anything in life, people that care more about it will be usually better at it, cause they studied that subject or practice it. So if you want to "git gud", you can start by those guys. Again, agree that the game should something about it, but there will ALWAYS be people that will feel like they are unkillable or way more dangerous, and if you are new, you wont beat a guy that played pvp for 4 years after 1 week playing, so dont get mad at yourself, just keep playing and you will see you will improve. I guarantee you, 100% of those people killing you were also shit when they started, they were willing to be shit for some time to be the one stomping. Theres no way out of this "natural hierarchy", some people will naturally be better than others, cause they simply apply themselves more. Imagine as going to the gym: Big guy goes to the gym for 4 years, knows all the techniques to get his muscle to work more, the optimal time to rest, the optimal way to get that weight up, the exact position etc. Of course you wont do nearly as good as him, even tho the same gym equipment is available to both of you, EVEN if he teaches you exactly what he does, his experience of the motion will make his be way better than your motion. So dont worry about dying, watch some of top 5 clips of pvp and these channels i told you, and you will see you start to learn just by watching, but its practice just like any other human skill.
Although I agree with your comments they just have to jump in the swimming pool. I don’t support altering the progression of new to expert. I think 90 problems would be fixed if we could eliminate most of the lag as it’s always the two dizzy swings that you never see but you can hear because your character it isn’t exactly in the space you see on your screen.
Pvp in eso is definitely end game but it feels really rewarding if you can get good. Thats why its better to get into pvp in the endgame because you understand more of the abilities and which to use for a specific situation.
@@lt.danicecream i never played under 50 because it wasnt worth getting the gear for a character that was going to be leveled up anyway. Plus the gap in levels is too big. Once you reach cp160 and get gear think no cp or bgs is better
@@legendofnat5477 i agree, but for new players they should be able to go to u50 and learn the basics, with basic pvp sets. Sets that could be provided up entering to cut back on vet player trolling. U50 was like a litmus test for pvp, once it died it was only a matter of time before vet went the same way. If you cant provide your new players a good entry level experience into pvp, then it is doomed to fail.
I think this was one of the major reasons I tried to get into ESO like 10 times and just always quit when I reached endgame. And it's all down to the atrocious combat design. Yes I understand there's a lot skill involved in animation cancelling and proper weaving, yes I know that dude has an optimized build with CP 1000+, but bruh, wtf is he doing tho? I remember when I met the first player like you described and the readability of the game was just atrocious. This guy was just running around me with his weapon behind his back doing quarter wide swings here and there and completely destroying me; and obviously when you see the recap it's just Dizzying Swing and light attack spam. I mean GW2 has pretty poor readability, but this game is on a whole other level. I think the game needs a major overhaul in the combat department or the game will end up in limbo like EVE online where the game will never win or lose any players and just be filled with only veterans of the game that have a love/hate relation with it and refuse to quit and constantly complain how bad the game is. But considering how well the last update to attempt to fix weaving and heavy cancelling went, it will probably never happen.
Pvp is actually really easy to read what the enemy is doing, they have such distinct animations for each class and weapon ability’s it’s pretty hard to not know what about to hit you. There’s so much counter play and only in a couple few spots is there none(Sorc streak into a meteor)
Some gear set ups do carrie avarage players but if you're bad, not even the most op cheese is going to be enough to help you. I'm op but I don't farm the meta, I'm not buying the new dlc to get the new broken set. I do just fine. When I fight someone I can tell who's getting carried
Thank you for the topic. As one of those noobs been slaughtered by 1, 2 hits, I can confirm your points. Even if you have your game-experience, it doesn't count in Cyrodiil. You have the feeling of disturbing the "real" players, and thats just frustrating. Special beginner gear could be a way of slight equalization or even beginner and advanced zones. In either case, I fear this is going to remain a game of the pvp-elite. however, like for the topic
idk if maybe it's a templar thing, but I have only been playing a month and have been having a good time with pvp. I really like how high the skill ceiling is and just googled a decent skill/weapon line for pvp and it's been pretty effective. I agree with the IP point though, I haven't done the city a single time and had a good experience. zergs, nightblade 1 shots, just a ridiculous amount of stompy fun is being had - just not by me. I'm by no means a 25kill monster most games, but am able to at least go positive by a few kills at least (I have had a few games where its like 26-1 by the end and it feels AMAZING). hearing that light attack weaving was even stronger before is scary :O That said, I think imperial city could use a rework, seeing more 4v4, 8v8, and different styles of less stompy scenarios would be sweet. Maybe a mission where you have to guard the sewers from invasion and another faction has to attack your base but theres a player cap in the instance? Idk, but the current set up is definitely too stompy and depopulated to have a good time
even just larger scale BG's would be cool tbh. I think this game shines not in the large scale conflict, but with like 4-12 people trying to pop off together
zos said they will change pvp when they will be ready to change all like to make massive changes so in the very far future (or maybe they don't care 1 of 2 )let's hope they will change it in the far future, at least to change the what gear to use cuz some have to op sets really to op
The failure of PvP to attract new players is entirely a problem with ZoS. There are a few issues with the onboarding process: 1. There are no tutorials for PvP at all in-game. 2. There is no guidance for set progression in-game. 3. The sets new players have access to in the base game suck. 4. PvP receives almost zero attention from ZoS. 5. Frequent balance shifts cause confusion for new players who don't have the time to keep track of it all. Solutions: 1. Add a series of tutorials or journal entries or something to teach new players how to play their class, how to fight against other players, what kind of stuff they should build (i.e. recovery, weapon and spell damage, critical.) 2. Create a set progression system that guides you through attaining/crafting basic sets, and make sure those sets are competitive in PvP, at least at an intermediate level. 3. Buff base game sets to be competitive vis-a-vis chapter and DLC sets -- also add some base game mythics. 4. Contribute more resources into PvP content. Add more (worthwhile) cosmetic rewards players can earn simply from playing (not even succeeding) in PvP modes. Add more maps to battleground, new modes, and interesting events. 5. Stop rebalancing (aka nerfing) PvP every 3 months and let people actually benefit from the sets they spend hours grinding. As for PvP content, new modes can make it a lot less stale. I'm thinking something like an extraction-based mode, sort of like Tarkov, where you can loot items in a map and take them out if you survive. They could add rewards you can loot like cosmetics from old crown crates as a rare drop to encourage people to play. You could focus on stealthing it and try to get out alive, or try to tank everything, or gank everyone down. It would be a perfect match for ESO's game design and it would allow people to avoid fighting if they want to. Of course, ZoS will never add new PvP content, so idk why I'm bothering.
solution 1 doesnt work due to classes not having static playstyles, you can go fight 100 DKs and they will all fight different in a way, same with builds...builds change alot and the build you're using is dependant on what you wanna do and i wouldn't really trust the same dev team who let through pre nerf 7th legion for builds just go to TH-cam videos, they also cant help you fight other players most of Zos team dont even play the game let alone are good at it. If you really wanna get better and learn pvp watch good pvpers 1vx and watch how they play and watch what they do, you can use their builds too a tarkov type gamemode is cool in idea just not in practice extract camping is an issue in tarkov i dont think a new player is gonna wanna run through cyro looting just to get bursted by a good player whos just standing at the extract in stealth
Just bring some sort of MMR and also don't tag solo players with groups. A group of 4 solo player will never take down a premade of 4 w/ their roles setup & actually playing together (ie : LoL has solo/duo split from 3/4/5man premade for a reason)
I was a top 5 player in battlegrounds about a year ago and now I came back to find out none of my gear was still relevant, that everyone became unkillable tanks and that the pvp scene is basically dead. Everything that I know about pvp just didn't make a difference anymore compared to the elites who play constantly. When I play a competitive game like CSGO my ability to compete didn't disappear suddenly because I didn't keep up with an endless toxic meta that keeps changing. If you have the skill you don't suddenly unlearn how to play a game but in every MMO this is the case...
One of those mid tier players. The issue honestly isnt the skill gap. Its the lack of information and/or desire to advance... Guides can be made and people watch them; but they need to know why and how; aswell as have motivation to improve. A vast majority of players are casual; and have minimal desire to spend time to improve aspects of their game and would rather sit in a zerg. Where as the best way to improve is challenge yourself, not sit in the stack that you can expect to do 90%+ of the work for you. This is where the gap is; between casual and competitive natures imo. But on the other end; as many have said for a while now; PvP is lacking content, and performance has caused the fall of many dedicated players and groups leaving.
The problem is eso doesn’t promote PvP, the under 50 campaign used to be full 24/7 years ago. It was the place to learn to play. I don’t think changing the game mechanics will do anything but upset people. They need a new wave of new players to learn by playing against each other. This is the only way people will stay and enjoy the game while learning and not getting destroyed.
I agree I played pvp nonstop 6ish years ago (UncleBuck105) and the game was the best gaming experience I've ever had. everyone was newish and it was even worse cause the PC guys had all the CP till everyone caught up. The under 50 server was where you experimented and learned. Every game is like this once its only the "Try hards" left the game becomes boring. Also in the beginning there was no Meta yet and everyone copying it people still experimented with builds
100% agreed. when u try get into pvp u get battered but if u actually try compete you try gank/bomb in order to get into it which is also 100% fair but then u get shat on or talked down because ur a bomber or ganker. like sorry i have no idea how to pvp normally but i have no choice if i want to be competitive
I'm the guy going 25-0 and deleting people in 2 hits, 1 v X'd on every class stam and magicka both and I still dont understand how some people are taking almost no damage but then turning around and deleting people these days
Most PvP players don't take enough time to learn, because they stuck in "tunnel vision" focusing only on "I have to win". Listen, try different builds, become master in every weapon type - at least at one class, focus on gathering knowledge about PvP. Practice in CP and No CP. Practice in open world, duels, and in battlegrounds. Im sure you will understand how to fight and counter good players. Make a video where you talk about your favourite class, and present your knowledge about this class. Publish variety of diffrent PvP builds, show other players that you can fight using any weapon type and play in different playstyles on your main class Whining is easy and remember - if you are bad at the game it is only your own fault. Learn to play, or resign yourself to becoming one of the pieces that is meant to be sacrificed!
Im grinding it out atm but it is frustrating. I even googled the tag of one of these 1 v x people who keeps killing me beciase they seemed invincible. Turns out they are arcanist and im guessing tanky armour with balorgh. It made me resalise though i needed to ourge at a certain time because 3 or 4 of their offensive bar is debuffing me. I do have buffs on screen but find it hard to look at them whilst managing los health etc. Now im running extended ritual on back bar and am.suriving 10 to 20 seconds longer. Feels like im approaching the middle atm, but the really good people Re still basically invincible. Especially the shield players
Had my first bout of multiplayer the other day. Joined the under 50 war effort, server was very quiet. Me and my friend rendezvous with 2 others and we form a small raiding party. I half expected to walk to a keep and have 10-20 people pour out and start massacring us. Turns out, it's not that busy. Probs because it wasn't a weekend night, but there were around 7-10 of us by the end of it, and we swept through several of Daggerfall's keeps and got a good threat on two of the elder scrolls they had. Almost crowned an emperor, but unfortunately the current emperor was on, realized what we were trying to do, and promptly showed us why he was emperor by effortlessly 1v10ing us. Got some nice loot though! Just need a good PvP build.
Most y’all just want a build to make you op without learning how to play it. IMO skyrims more your game. I play mainly solo so I know how hard pvp is to get into but once you’ve put the time in it’s so rewarding. My advice lose the ego and just play. There’s no punishment for dying so keep fighting till you get there!
Sorry friend, as someone with 3000 hours on PC alone, but I have to disagree. I want to be clear this isnt meant to be toxic or negative but 1vxing and being that skilled come with time, effort, and learning the game mechanics. Those mechanics being combat awareness, effective kiting techniques (not running around a tree looking stupid), timing for skills (not only your own cooldowns but knowing your enemies abilities), global cooldown counting, etc. I am by-no-means the best, but alot of us can recognize who is newer by their application of skills. For example newer DK's popping ulti's for damage v. a sustain clutch. Its more obvious than people think and makes noobs easy targets. We dont need balancing sets, or anything like that. What we need is better skill-based matchmaking so I can play with people of my skill level (not decimate noobs). We need balancing in Cyro, sure, but we also need for people to understand that you dont HAVE to go to Greymarch (whatever the campaign name is called), there are others that are less populated and built to practice skills. Skilled players want noobs to get good too... we both love the game and want it to be the best it can be. See you out there, PC-NA.
Its an mmo! Skill and grinding should be rewarded, and a vet could make a new account and be empowered more if they got a buff for being new, gw2 is the same you come across a vet you're dead as a newbie, but what made me become top tier at eso pvp is seeing the good players 1vx and thinking shit that looks fun
Only one thing to say about this... l2p One a more serious note, back when I got seriously into PvP, I used to log and/or record my PvP sessions. This allowed me to 1/ see how exactly I got steamrolled by this 45k hp DK that kitted me for 2 minutes before turn-and-burning me in .2 seconds and 2/ it allowed me to analyse my own gameplay, see what I did wrong in a situation, what I could have done to prevent it, all of that Took me about 3 months to get from PvP noob to zerg steamroller
I mean, most of the people that are not seeing any improvements in their gameplay are not putting in the effort to learn the game's systems. You walk into Cyrodil with 22k health, no impen, no sustain, PVE food with blue-tier weapons, no self-heal, no true CC, or multiple useless abilities that you can't synergize together, it doesn't matter how many hours you pvp you will not get better. Most of the players getting killed over and over and over again never change anything about their build or playstyle. I don't really play anymore but when I played a lot of Cyrodil there were a lot of players me and my friends always saw doing the same thing in the same builds, never progressing, never learning, just showing up in Cyrodil every night and bashing their heads against the same wall over and over again. Even after you put some meta gear sets on, a lot of players never change how they play. It's like... look, the first time you gap closer into 5 people with no ultimate up and instantly die, that's understandable. But after the 10th time, maybe stop pressing a button that places you right in the center of 5 people's worth of DPS? The first time you tunnel-vision 1 guy who is on full defense mode, gas out of all your resources, and get one-tapped, that's fine. But if that happens to you so many times you want to quit, that TRULY is a learn to play issue. Literally in any other game, it would be understood that somebody who doesn't understand positioning or awareness or managing resources (which are fundamental skills in any pvp game ever made) is going to lose to players who do understand. The real issue is that pve players aren't trying to get into a pvp game. They are trying to role-play a pvp-themed fantasy, and then finding out why they don't play league or legends, overwatch 2, or other competitive pvp game--they lack the proper mindset to win in those environments.
havent played eso since launch came back a month ago new char nightblade tried pvp for the 1st time today ... im never gonna touch it again in 4 games i havent even hit a single person bc the moment i see someone he summons an entire zoo that kill me in 0.5 seconds i probably wont even play this game beyond goofing around in dungeons with friends
I just give my 2 cents as a StamSorc main who does outnumbered: 1. Melee StamSorc is not at its best state right now, it’s one of the more difficult classes to start with 2. You’re too offensive/too engaging. You’re not on a „stand your ground“ class, you need to use your agility/speed more. You cannot fight a decent DK without repositioning or baiting with Streak. They might hate whisper you but standing there = guaranteed death 3. You drop your buffs, you don’t cast HoTs in advance and you don’t have a proper burst heal. This is due to the Sorc kit: Dark Deal is a delayed and kinda low burst heal _alike_ skill that can be interrupted. Crit Surge is something you cannot rely on, so you need to keep your Vigor running all the time which is quite resource draining. DW/Destro is a bolt choice, but I recommend a pet then (it might die at some point but it more reliable than Surge). I personally cannot play without Rally. You may can work around with having SnB (and maybe frost staff) on backbar. 4. StamSorc has no access to the class shield which demands even more movement, so does the choice to not use SnB or pets (which are more effective on MagSorcs anyway because you can shield them). StamSorc is a „burst and go“ class, so don’t stand still on a DK or Warden
At the end of the day it comes down to practice. When I first started, me and my friends went through the same thing it's just one of those things. Now we're prob those guys you're talking about 😂just gotta stick at it, find helpful vets and practice dueling. Once you become better at dueling, you'll find open world and bg's PvP alot easier 👍
Reminds me of Runescape/OSRS pvp. The obscure mechanics and strategies used in PvP make the skill cap so high that's it's almost totally inaccessible to newbies. Even with 1000 hours in the PvE part of the game, you have absolutely no idea what is going on when you watch an experienced PvPer fight.
@@andrewpennington1338 Ask someone who's got 1000 hours on PvM experience how LoS mechanics work in the wild lmao. Or to list the various trees etc that allow one-way attacking. That's just a tiny detail but there's still no way you'd learn even just that in 2 or 3 days.... nevermind everything else that goes in to PvP/PKing
I think they need a tutorial plus a more detailed breakdown of why you died skill wise because at the moment skill plus amazing build makes people so tanky there is no feedback.if there was some way to know you were doing a good or bad rotation and the rest if just gear then youd be able to learn quicker. Other than that you just have to know every classes pvp build
This video is a year old and still accurate. Its unfortunate because I wanted to like the game. but after pvping around CP 200.. im just not into the months it takes to get to "pro" status. Thinking about trying gw2 :)
GW2 has went the same way years ago. PVP is same sweats and bots, most of the pop dropped from full server representation to this new alliance to mask how many ppl quit wvw. It's like eso is still good for pve, same with gw2 and yeah their servers lag since they moved to aws east also giving western US players double ping. Don't buy ppl's bs about 80-100 ping being fine, these games aren't WoW. Action combat games are almost as sensitive to high ping as shooters.
well, I've been doing way better in pvp in gw2 and its been pretty fun so far! boosted to 80 and got right into the action! doing well for only playing 6 days LOL @@gharm9129
ESO PVP in a nutshell: Zos has many bugs, players exploit bugs to gain a massive advantage, new players quit or build tanks and cry in forums, Zos can't fix bug so they nerf the exploit. Zerglings rock in this game as it is fun to 30vs1 the exploiters, I avoid them as they could be using scripts, if they are the type that abuse exploits, they surely are the types to cheat, which Zos does nothing. Not many players admit they PVP in ESO lol L2P and get gud means "learn to abuse the exploits like I did and ruin new players experience is fun"'
I get the point, tho ppl that don't pvp are sometimes not willing to learn how to pvp "correctly". This game allows u to create some unique stuff with your character but that doesn't mean it will always work, pvp is hard af at first but u just need to start paying attention on how its done. Honestly i would have little motivation to play if the competition was not high enough so i think maybe a solution would be ZOS doing some effort into introducing pvp to new players as they just let you loose in the thirsty, sweaty pvp environment.
Tank meta made the pvp stale for very long now, since we lost bleeds ignoring resistances. Now skill hybridization made things even worse, everybody have enormous heals, all defensive buffs are very easy to obtain and devs still mess up with class balance and introduce expansion selling set or mythics. Nightblade gankers hit even harder than before and now Wardens with entire 'frost dps' nonsense is dominating everywhere. Not to mention ball groups (a group of densely packed players with coordinated sets and ultimate dumps with aoe heals 24/7) not only destroy other group but also increase lag by tenfold when you are nearby. All of this while game provide not much information until other people tell you, most of newbies think do they do well against mobs or dungeons and go in the same gear into pvp and get deleted by one lucky crit Lethal Arrow that they dont even see. Ah and IC always been empty. The currency there is valuable but risk of losing half of the progress is so easy that nobody goes there unless there is an event. One mediocre built NB just go to your back in sneak and do Crushing Weapon light attack cancelled by Surprise Attack and 60% of your hp is gone, you are stunned with near zero resistances left adding patrolling bosses or just simple elite mobs around and there is no way for you to fight that NB back unless you run expensive stealth reveal skills. Balance was better in the past, with classes being naturally designed to counter other specific classes and no ridiculous sets that either constantly heal you or do damage for you.
Build a tank first, make sure your buffs are always up and your hots are running, use a good cc Skill, burst dps is your fourth priority. This will greatly improve your pvp experience.
Git gud 🤫 I spent about 6 straight months getting absolutely dumped on to become what I'd consider an above-average player. 30% of the people in Cyrodiil will still absolutely dump on me. I don't play as much because U36 bugged the hell out of the game, but if you're not willing to go run around and die a lot, then ESO PvP isn't going to be your bag.
I recommend trying to find a guild with veterans that help noobies. In just a few weeks I’ve seen people that are terrible at pvp and new, turn into being really good just with helpful guidance from vet players. Good luck out there!
thanks for the advice i was looking for guides and builds online for some guidance since I usually play on my own. and ngl finding a PVP Guild is probably the best and easiest way to get into PVP.
Another thing to add, for those super new players who aren't even level 50 or CP 160 who try to get into pvp through battle grounds, there are plenty of people who are shit at pvp but need an ego boost from somewhere so they make new characters to curb stomp newbies who don't know or have access to good CC heals or burst skills to stroke their fragile egos
I’m lvl 22, first time playing. I just gotta say it’s genuinely fun af running around like Bruce Jenner at the 1976 summer Olympics pre menstrual cycles whilst “vets” are yelling at me to genuinely play and outright give af. It’s not that I’m trying to be an ass, its just being an ass has its perks like a waitress from Hooters tweaking on Oxycodone.
*Performance* is why the game is dying… everything you said aside from that is player issue. But pvp performance in eso is dog shit and until they fix it people won’t stick in the lag for long before they do pve or other games.
a while ago i wanted to see if i could survive in pvp for longer than 1 second so i built my templar with extreme defences, went all in on heavy armor with sets that boosted my crit res and gave me dmg reduction, i used skills that healed me and made me tankier, i was basically maxed out on defences, so i go into cyrodiil to do some daily quests expecting to get ganked and see if i could stay alive. i died in 2 seconds
In my defense mass murder in battle grounds is very fun, but yeah I'm a middle of the road player who is decent in BGs but I stay the fuck out of Cyrodiil, the sweat is real.
Im CP700 and I never join pvp due to this. I would like to earn the daily pvp price once in a while but I just given it up as a bad job. I admit my pvp skill level is really low, but I never get paried with players on my skill level.
I started this game 3 month aggo and im now cp 950 i can pull 30kill in 1 bg just watch pvp build on youtube dont try to make your own build when you are new this game. Also start with battleground avoid cyrodill and imperial city before cp 800
If you know what you doing and tryhard in 3 days you can reach max level, and get all BIS items and totaly fight fair against for example 5.000 hours character. But tricky and fun part is experience and knowledge, they make you diffrent than others and enables you to 1vX. ESO PvP is very skill-based and fair. But there are ofc lots of problems with the game.
The Veteran players were shit once too, just saying.. Your points were valid, but in order to 'get good' you first have to 'get less shit' then readjust your goal to 'get average' then readjust again to 'above average' before you even try for 'get good'.. I stopped playing due to performance issues, in cyro. mid-fight the game would just stop functioning for about 1second resulting in unavoidable deaths.. coupled with an Aussie ping 280-310ms in PVP as a NB was bad enough then the random stops. I loved PVP in ESO even as a squishy NB, you don't go into PVP trying to be the best you go into PVP to win, if you do it often enough you have a better chance of becoming the best, but you don't have any chance of becoming the best if you don't get shit on constantly and learn from your mistakes expecting someone to hold your hand along the way, those veterans you mention probably didn't have anyone holding their hand either. As someone that's played ESO since launch we didn't have guides to show us how to build our shit when we started, the performance was even worse than today and everyone put the time in to reach their 'elite status'.. As others have said, join a PVP guild, learn to PVP and one day you'll 'get good'.. simple as that.. the skill gap is there because most people are too lazy to develop their own skills or builds, they watch youtube and copy someone else with the mindset that what works for them will work for everyone else.. PVP is about adapting to different challenges, it's not the same as PVE, if you can't adapt you die.. if you can't improvise, you die.. if your game freezes randomly in a fight with a 280 ping, you die lol. No matter how long you've been playing, you die in PVP.
The skill gap between veteran and new players is the lowest it’s ever been. They added cast times on ults so new players have time to react, they took away almost all animation cancelling, many insane proc sets that carry your damage and defence, one bar heavy attack builds holding down one button with every buff in the game with the oakensoul mythic, cross group healing so if you’re zerging you get 30k health a second in heals. And if you’re new do what anyone does in any video game and look up hundreds of very strong easy to use builds on TH-cam that fully explain everything. Eso pvp is on easy mode for casual and new players. As a vet at pvp I have to try 100 times harder then I ever have in the past 8 years.
I'll admit alot of what ur saying is true but kinda false depending on how u look at it but thing that Is definitely is people just saying "just get gud" what they could be saying is "hey find a pvp guild like bgs community (that's on ps na servers) or some guild do some battle grounds get friends to get gud with that way ull atleast have communication" or something like that Also I've kinda noticed with alot of games narrowing the gap between vet and new players is incredibly hard without seriously pissing off the vet players unless u do it like how for honor did it where the combat in general is super hard compared to eso combat for honor is a God compared to a mortal in my opinion so if it's already hard combat with an mmr system then as soon as new players find out hyper aggressive is the absolute or a great way to play then they'll build from that point but it can be learned if they just really tried to get some friends who were vets and willing to give actual half decent advice
If PvP wasn't as ruined as it has been for the last... oh, idk... eight YEARS, ESO' PvP would be its outstanding feature. Sieges, massive combat, YES, by all means. But with a decade old equipment, it is what it is :(
That odd Cyro map, give us a break, is awful, tech design is older like a stone book, those fort and post are non tech war designed, the RSS NPC IA is just a shame.
So true man. Tried to get into it after playing eso for 2 years i got 1300CP and played a shitton of pve and vet dungeons etc. Then i went ahead and spend like 40million gold on a top end pvp build for my stamsorc go in there and get fc***d up in seconds 5 times. Never tried again lol. Never felt as if i had a chance not even with all the class experience etc in general its just a different game which is ruled by the sweatlords xD
@@messiah4951 bro no clue i bought all the yellow armor and glyphs for the build from the web and those were the prices that were listed 😂 stupidly expensive
i don’t get why you expect to go in a different game mode and outplay experienced players (on a pretty weak class. You need to know your own strengths and weaknesses and every other class to counter them).
First - i don't have any experience in ESO nor it's PvP. But i do have experience in competitive games or rather said their competitive aspects (LoL, WoW, CoD & CS / Valorant) and all the titles have a very hard time to get into. LoL literally has one of the most insane learning curves to "get good" at. In MMOs what so ever, you do have PvP focused and less PvP focused Games where as all other Games are heavily PvP centered like LoL and CS. I'd assume ESO is not so much centered around PvP and if the Game locks you behind Progress within PvP (not that you have to play PvP to get better in terms of knowledge building, rather that you'd need to play PvP to even get the 'good' gear) than all i can say is sorry but the devs suck. But if the Game does not lock you, there is only the knockledge of a player being left as a factor of win or loose, if the devs care about PvP. (There is not a single PvP focused Game in this World being perfectly balanced) So, i feel like this Video should have rather went into the direction of how to fix it than just pointing out that there is a problem with knockledge progression within PvP. Because no Game in the world, where the PvP aspect of a game is so heavily centered, gives you the knowledge "to get good" in the Game itself. The Community makes up for this hole and min max everything. You where saying that there is nothing in between "a good" player and a "noob" within ESO, the difference is to vast and too frustrating for the noob section of the playerbase yet you describe yourself being in between. Here you could be fixing the issue but the playerbase is already too little to introduce something like a MMR System, just leading to long queue times. Also, don't forget that heavy PvP centered Games have alot of Skill-Categorys to deal with whilst MMOs mostly have knowledge centered categories. There is not alot of room to outplay someone if you don't even know what you want to outplay - leading to the "wtf just killed me" instead of "oh i could've done this better". This Video doesn't help anyone but trys to acknowledge a problem that probably was present for long before the video was uploaded. Pretty much all MMOs have this Problem. Since its PvP Aspects are just too knowledge centered and counterintuitively executed - the player doesn't know what he could've done better without the foundation of knowing atleast the strong builds and classes in the game.
Same issue as he's talking about, and it's even worse in WvW. PvP builds on top of the skill difference causes the exact same issues where someone that knows what they're doing stomps everyone else, most times outnumbered at the same time. That's compounded because of the low player pop for sPvP, which can result in bronze ranked players getting matched against gold or plat players and the match is a 500 to sub 100 steamroll.
most of the time tbh its not even us being super tanky that makes us be able to handle 10 baby seals at a time, its just that they do 0 damage or are just spamming random skills. and anyone who does do damage or is really low max hp gets focused and killed first
I played ESO at its start, and for a time it was somewhat enjoyable experience. But everything started to go behind a paywall, and the game went into the "job game" category, meaning a game, you need to invest full time, in order to progress and be competitive. And since I need to work, I need to exercise, in order to not becme a ball of blubber (again) - the amount of time I can spend in a game is limited, thus I prefer more casual games, letting me play and progress at my own pace. Like Warframe, Valheim, etc.
People are leaving ESO PvP because the developers have only put out 2-3 PvP related patches and have done nothing to improve quality of life for PvP in the near 10 year history of this game. Not every great player you see today was always good, everyone started at some point being a "noob." Just get into groups, ask questions, research "top players" build videos, see what they are doing, etc. ReactFaster is one of those types of players who is excellent end game PvP and he puts out build videos that also explain why and what he's doing with the build. Everyone also wants it easy mode and reality is ESO PvP is far easier to get into and learn than any other game because the floor of the game is so high for new players. If you want to see real elitism and exclusion try getting into end game PvE veteran trial content.
Are we playing the same game? I have literally the reverse experience you have. Getting into veteran trail content was fairly easy. Well, maybe not easy, but simple. Just join a PvE guild, do some practice on normal, beat it on veteran, and when you have the achievement, PUGs will take you in craglorn. I dunno, maybe that's just my experience as a tank. With all my experience, my best gear, and 1.5k hours in this game, in PvP that amounts to me dying in 10 seconds instead of 2. You know, I wouldn't mind playing out the battlegrounds and dying 20 times if I would just at least get the daily reward for participating. But if my team's in last place, I get nothing. Queuing + 15 minutes of my valuable, limited time on this earth, completely wasted. I might as well just make another alt, do some crafting quests, and a RND. Or turn off the computer and read a book.
The original guild wars had one pvp mode where you could choose any gear. BGs need to have every gear option available. That would bring more pvpers to the game.
If u come from other mmorpg's PvP use to the mindset of 2-3+ players rolling over single players with ease, you'll certainly get a wake-up call expecting that in ESO. That's also the beauty of ESO. It allows the outnumbered player a chance to counter usually certain death in other games, with skill and high battle iq. 😎
create a server for cp0-500 or lower, so they only face each other and learn at their own pace, also make it so they can join the higher level players if they want.
People just need to be shown how to pvp I've taught 100s of people to pvp and build for pvp and it takes practice but pvp is pretty much end game but pvp is about your build and resources and burst dmg or dig over time unless your tank you are consistently healing light weaving or heavy weaving animation canceling looking at your resources and figuring out when to burst your opponents dueling is a great start into pvp because you learn how to fight other class or have multiple characters each 1 being different so you know each characters skill
Any game without gear normalization / bolster is NOT a PvP game. It's a gear / grind game. ESO's PvP is indeed such a completely imbalanced clusterfuck. Haven't seen anything this new player unfriendly in any other major MMORPG that has PvP. I think I'm just not going to bother anymore as it doesn't really seem skill-based. It's certainly build / gear > skill. I don't have an eternity to grind and there are so many other great games to play. After playing for 300 hrs, I still get one-shotted in PvP, don't still have anything resembling a PvP set, not to mention unlocking all the skills. Oh, and having absolutely NO IDEA what even killed me (oh, here's a damage recap with some ability icons BUT without tooltips, wtf...) is such a great feature. I also witnessed a guy face tanking 10 other people in Cyrodill, he was just an unkillable nightblade. Literally - one guy trolling 10 players. Other dude stealthed inside a keep and one shotted a dozen of folks with a bomb.
As a new person to ESO and ESO PVP, this video provided no benefit. You did not explain what the issue between new players and vets are, other than "new players arent as good as vets so they dont win" okay, is it the gear? the dot lineup? the procs? the talent tree? idk man elaborate. Dont just say "new players bad, vets good." you sound just like who you complain about. And let me preface again, new player.....60 hours.
even if you are really good at pvp in an mmo, there should never be a situation where you can 1v10 someone, take no damage, and then pop their whole group. Its poor balance
It isn’t possible for 99% of the time anyway.
@@canisinumbra its very possible in eso. Builds have no downsides. You have endless resources, healing, giant damage, and youre a missive tank. Its horrible balance. You hsould have to chose and have weaknesses, not just be able to be a one man army
@@zombiegodsire But it only looks like that. People know when to go offensive and stay defensive, using CC immunity to their advantage, kiting/LoS. They heal in advance by keeping their HoTs up. Then they go for burst in a narrow window. You need to know when to strike.
Things like Occult Overload with 12800 damage (you cannot block nor shield or otherwise mitigated) got nerfed/fixed. It’s still a problem NPCs can proc it on you but 1v10 without such a thing is very hard to pull off.
@@canisinumbra it absolutely in no way does not "just look like that" people can stand in one place and take 5+ people and never go down. There is no balance whatsoever in this game. And when two people with builds like that meet, it takes them forever to even scratch one another. It's obnoxious, and isn't fun for 80% of the people playing it. Which is why it isn't popular
@@zombiegodsire It definitely looks like that because they get damage, they just outheal it at the same time. No one just can stand there and eat all damage without any effort. I have met some dudes who tried that, even teabagged like „cannot damage me hurhur“ and out of a sudden they dropped from 100% to execute, totally underestimated right timed burst.
This is one of the main reasons I didn't end up playing this game. I played a few years ago long enough to get to pvp and there just wasn't balance at all. Every game has META but I did a ton of research and to find out the "meta" builds can steam roll 1v5+ then there is no point.
@@drewperez7924 Those arent meta those are useless people that skilled players will just ignore. Meta is the high damage sets that come out that havent been nerfed
I wish they had a BG mode where everyone playing gets the same exact gear. That might help level the playing field a little. As it stands, newer players are up against high skill level of vet players equipped with top of the line builds. If we all had the same gear, it might be more fun.
there is skill based match making , if you're new you wont be up against that . Watch Godzilla's video reacting to this video
@@midnightsoulband9320 not a good example otherwise I wouldn’t be in PVP matches where one guy is carrying his entire team is unkillable and talking 8 guys on his own and winning. That’s not MMR
That’s pointless and dumb in a game where the whole point is to get better gear/skills/exp. Instead they should standardize damage and health/armor but keep like the bonuses of gear so it’s still useful to have a good build
The big problem are ball groups or zergs with specific sets.
Sets like plaguebreak and dark convergence (+occult overload) were meant to be AGAINST ballgroups/zergs, but now they use it too (noone knew this before?!?!) and this makes it even worse.
Always the same---> Pb+Dc+Occult+spin to win and graveyard, and on top we have the performance issues where you have to break free 3 or 4 times.
What I never understood:
Some players are solo in cyrodill, they run faster than a porsche 911, are unkillable even vs. 5+, hit like a truck and never get any sustain problems. How?
Kiting and LoSing = best damage mitigation the game.
You want ball groups to hate you, get Cold Stone trebuchets.
If 2-3+ people can land a cold stone hit on a ball group they'll either die or go somewhere else...lol
They are not unkillable, they kite fast and its how they supress damage, if you hit them with a good build and combo they'll die. For damage its really esay to get and anyone with no buff or heals active Can die fast with the actual state of dmg 👍
just block like 95% of all ccs thrown at you and dodge the rest, build swift if you like to kite and infused if your more brawly. its mostly sets combined with crazy high wpn damage that our heals high enough to tank thru 5-10 people at a time
So literally what you saying is „the problem is that are people in cyro“ you cant put a name on it and describe it as evil, its other person playing together, just smarter, more efficient and they on comms. So whats the difference between a 0815 zergling just choosing a class, some sets and play the game? Exaxtly nothing just the 1 cry in the internet and the other killing stuff. You cant say beeing on the receiving end is unfair lmao just switch your build, mates or learn some skill. Its like poland would have told germany you cant invade us we are less people and our military doesnt work together
2:50 man you didnt cast a single heal in 5 sec while getting pressured, you Cant complain about dying here. That dude casted his heals and spammed whip, leap that gives a shield that also heal so he obviously wont take damage. Thats not about Gears but about actual understanding of the game mechanics.
no point in trying to explain it bro, he just wants a reason to complain
@@Acooky. 7+ minutes showing that the one who complains knows very little about PvP. It's funny that those clips have more views than clips where players share knowledge and actually helps people.
This is why I'm a big advocate for no gear progression in PVP , PVP should be about knowledge and skill not who ever has more gear, it only serves to create situations like this and its only fun for people who don't actually have skill so they need to kill people who don't have a chance to begin with, it's one of the reasons why GW2 was one of the few MMOs that I actually PVPed a lot.
That's not going to help new players at all. The reasons they are dying so much is because they don't understand the basic mechanics of the game, not their fault zos does a horrible job at explaining it
And more gear doesn't help anyone you still only have the same 12 gear slots as everyone. There's plenty of good crafted or easy to get meta sets
It is about knowledge and skill. You think the sets play the game? Get a new player, put him in meta sets, dump them in cyro and watch them die repeatedly
You can play in no cp which offers what you want, no sets available and no champion points, but if you don't know the game's mechanics you will get killed the same.
@@abstractfactory8068 no cp pvp is dead.. the pop rarely hits 2 bars on pcna
What i'd like to see is an expanded death recap, different windows, one shows you the gear of the person who killed you and another shows you what abilities is on their bar, this is something ESO has needed for many years and many other PvP games have had for years
we have that on pc with addons - improved death recap and combat metrics
I agree but at the same time I don't bc then after abt a month of some dude coming up with an off the wall build with a set rarely used or a skill then a good couple people would get on it
ooohhhhh I love this idea!
That’s to botty nobody needs to have my build it should be learned like I had to
@@Bmoreflow facts my buddies and i dont tell random our sets or bar setups
An easy fix and suggestion I have for everyone getting into pvp. Join a pvp guild and take their advice. Grinding gear is easier then ever. The way to build a pvp toon is easy enough to understand. Cyro and ic is losing its player base because of performance.
yeah but why do we all have to wear the same sets and use the same skills to be viable?
@itstheshayne enyhsehtsti you don't. There is hundreds of ways to group comp in pvp. Usually 2-4 tanks healers in support sets, 2 dedicated healers, and the rest dps.
@@itsXtheXshayne dude you can either use good stuff and not get annihilated or you can use bad stuff and die that’s how it works.
@@Thatnativeson sure. Use one of the 3 viable play styles out of the 100s of available sets and skills. Be a clone or you can't compete. Why have so much variety when you can't use any of it. The whole any class can be anything style of gameplay just made everyone be the same. There are no actual roles in the rpg. Makes this game a joke. Being a NB mage tank is stupid imo. No individuality at all. Or a streak sorc with all heavy armor. Also dumb. Freedom and no distinguished roles just kills the magic. It's ok if you like it. But you can't deny it
@@Thatnativeson bet you can name the handful of sets off the top of your head too. Out of the 100s available
The npc will not open door in intro area for new characters.
I have to say I die 90% of the time due to server lag on console, not being able to bar swap or my ultimate no going off. All that and also being from Australia and the main server being 9000 km away
Hey Guys
Im the mysterious Ball Group you always wanna blame for everything. Guess what? We are humans, we own a headset and a discord server and are able to speak a language. Next to that most of us own a controller or a keyboard so we can give our characters some commands. If you fullfill this criteria, you already got the same initial position to have the same success.
From there on, we time commands so they are more efficient. We go out to find outnumbered fights. And no, atleast not our group never even start a fight if the enemys are less than us, but maybe you are the one following us since 20min on a tank werewolf spamming fear so you might eat 4 DB‘s at the same time but hey you asked for it.
And i know lot of you cant imagine, but we READ skill and set descriptions and figure out if that would make us stronger. Our people need get sets, level stuff and invest gold, we need to find a time slot everybody can play.
Most time we weaken every single player of the group as a individual to be me more potent as a whole group. So theres no solo plays or kills possible because in those set ups you will loose against everybody on a 1v1.
Not even 1 of those points gets considered by solo or small scale players ( which we do also imagine) before talking shit about ballgroups in the internet.
IM SORRY but you not supposed to win on a ganker/vX build against us. Its just common sense so get your friends online and challange us instead cry on youtube
And last, sometimes we got some sweaty days, so even read the new patch notes and use our brain to adjust to it.
so true. i got pooped on in pvp my first 30 games until i became the one pooping on noobs.. took me about 10-20 hours of pvp to get good. but now the game is bland and boring.. no pvp updates is why i quit
I used to watch a high level pvper in Twitch who has been emperor a couple of times and he says he likes how unbalanced the PVP is. He said people just don't know how to build for pvp
Never play this game, is possible getting top gear playing solo?
can you do a video explaining the payment model of ESO. I've been playing for a while and I still can't seperate in my head dlcs expansion and the base game price
For the $15 sub you get all the DLCs except the most recent story chapter, which you will need to buy. When a new chapter is released the previous story chapter will become playable in just the subscription.
@@209BlackCat What happens after a new expansion drops and you already bought the game. Do you get the old expansion if you already bought the game?
No. That is why you Sub. So you get access to the older dlc.@@nick_goldy
thats not true at all. you have to spec for pvp properly. its very much about build. learn how to build for pvp. from a pvper. stop taking bad advice from pve focused youtubers.
I am one of those in between players that you claim do not exist. It just comes down to wanting to be better, and not having an ego. I think you might overestimate yourself, and place blame on the game, or imbalances, rather than figuring out your next step to becoming better. I don't consider myself very good, and that's why I will always improve. I also use base game sets, so its not entirely a build thing. I have figured out what works best for me, and my playstyle, and continue to fine tune things when I find areas that can be improved. I main the same class, and have for years.
I play when my class sucks, and when it's good. I don't look for easy results. I recorded, and uploaded an approximately one minute long video today, which I suggest everyone takes a look at. You'll notice a difference in movement, awareness, and adaptability. Again, I am not good, but I would like people to understand that, even with all of the games flaws, the desire to better yourself is the most important thing.
Actually, now that I think about it, your slow movement indicates the use of a controller. If that is the case, I would suggest trying a mouse, and keyboard again. I've always felt that a controller sacrifice performance for comfortability.
I think you are missing the point... Getting better takes an insane investment. Just getting decent takes a heavy investment. It does not help grow the PvP community. It erodes it.
@@nicolaidanielsen3557 I don't believe that's true. It just creates levels to it, like all things. The more you practice, the better you are.
The skill ceiling is so high, that people are frustrated that they cannot be top tier.
Wrestlers don't bitch about how hard it is to become an Olympic champion. If they want to become that good, then they put in the work, and do what it takes.
In ESO, people want to be Olympic champion level, while putting in less effort than an amateur.
You are as good as you are, and that is based on experience, technical skill, which also develops with more experience/practice.
There is no "it should be".
If people are frustrated with how they perform against others, then they should practice, and not be complaining about it on TH-cam, or any other platform.
That's how world class athletes get to their level, and that's how the best PvPers get to theirs as well.
Practice.
I tried to get into this game and pvp and it's just way to costly to get into in term of farms and hours. That's the main issue. If you could for example have access to any gear or standardized gear this would help new player because you at least know you had equal gear and the guy was/is just good. I like that approach and it works well for gw2 but it's still not enough. I fail to see how the mmorpg pvp can be improved to not have that immense knowledge step with gear, skills, way to play your build, what other build for skill, etc. It's a huge step and often discourage new player.
Is there a GentleManz Club in ESO?
Yoo, that is me on your Death Recap at 5:35 haha!
My name is @fluffy_fr0zR ingame and I actually stream PVP on Twitch aswell.
Thats my new Magicka Warden there, Nature Stuff.
yeah everyone on EU kinda knows who you are, you perma run around with 30ppl spamming rapid regen ulti dumping 3 mans for 8hrs a night
@@Acooky. XD
this video sums it up pretty good no matter what i do i just die no matter what gear i take with me i just die, Low level pvp was really enjoyable but after i hit max level thats it no more fun.
This is why i prefer the PvE in game content compared to PvP.
Good luck getting into a veteran trial without meeting a DPS threshold.
Yeah I totally feel that way too I started at lauch but I'm only magplar cp531 cuz I've been playing on and off since launch I recently gotten into pvp to get a set for my build but AD get curve stomped lol I get decimated easily I think I won one duel again a 1400 ish cp dk who probably wasn't even trying I know all I can do is try to stun during a gank or heal but gotta say it's frustrating to see a 1k cp able to tank a dozen 2k cp dps
Can you do this for different MMOS as well.Pán gamer .P
The reality is that this "unbalance" is 99% either caused by any procs and mythics or lack of knowledge of new players, which is expected of course, both in their builds and also gameplay mechanics, like managing buffs.
Totally agree on the "should be more information by the game itself" point, but lets be realistic, the entire game needs it, the /help window is a joke, who would think to do that and read all that info (which is none for pvp).
Knowing that i agree with that which is the companies fault, what is the best path for new players to do, when you wanna learn about something? You google, you search on youtube, of course theres lots of Bs but also lots of good information.
If you want actually educational info, from players that know what they are doing and are the ones "stomping", Hoarcrux channel has educational commented gameplay for Dps pvp.
ICY Fire gaming chanel is entirely dedicated to pvp healing, builds, tips, gameplay, info etc.
And just like in any game or anything in life, people that care more about it will be usually better at it, cause they studied that subject or practice it. So if you want to "git gud", you can start by those guys.
Again, agree that the game should something about it, but there will ALWAYS be people that will feel like they are unkillable or way more dangerous, and if you are new, you wont beat a guy that played pvp for 4 years after 1 week playing, so dont get mad at yourself, just keep playing and you will see you will improve.
I guarantee you, 100% of those people killing you were also shit when they started, they were willing to be shit for some time to be the one stomping. Theres no way out of this "natural hierarchy", some people will naturally be better than others, cause they simply apply themselves more.
Imagine as going to the gym:
Big guy goes to the gym for 4 years, knows all the techniques to get his muscle to work more, the optimal time to rest, the optimal way to get that weight up, the exact position etc.
Of course you wont do nearly as good as him, even tho the same gym equipment is available to both of you, EVEN if he teaches you exactly what he does, his experience of the motion will make his be way better than your motion.
So dont worry about dying, watch some of top 5 clips of pvp and these channels i told you, and you will see you start to learn just by watching, but its practice just like any other human skill.
Although I agree with your comments they just have to jump in the swimming pool. I don’t support altering the progression of new to expert. I think 90 problems would be fixed if we could eliminate most of the lag as it’s always the two dizzy swings that you never see but you can hear because your character it isn’t exactly in the space you see on your screen.
Man i just want the skyshards...
Pvp in eso is definitely end game but it feels really rewarding if you can get good. Thats why its better to get into pvp in the endgame because you understand more of the abilities and which to use for a specific situation.
U50 used to be a good place to learn, but that was overtaken by the twinks.
@@lt.danicecream i never played under 50 because it wasnt worth getting the gear for a character that was going to be leveled up anyway. Plus the gap in levels is too big. Once you reach cp160 and get gear think no cp or bgs is better
@@legendofnat5477 i agree, but for new players they should be able to go to u50 and learn the basics, with basic pvp sets. Sets that could be provided up entering to cut back on vet player trolling.
U50 was like a litmus test for pvp, once it died it was only a matter of time before vet went the same way.
If you cant provide your new players a good entry level experience into pvp, then it is doomed to fail.
It is abuse circle trash. Not even close to feeling good. I am endgame pvper.
@@newfaith912 endgame pvper doesnt mean youre good lol
I think this was one of the major reasons I tried to get into ESO like 10 times and just always quit when I reached endgame. And it's all down to the atrocious combat design. Yes I understand there's a lot skill involved in animation cancelling and proper weaving, yes I know that dude has an optimized build with CP 1000+, but bruh, wtf is he doing tho? I remember when I met the first player like you described and the readability of the game was just atrocious. This guy was just running around me with his weapon behind his back doing quarter wide swings here and there and completely destroying me; and obviously when you see the recap it's just Dizzying Swing and light attack spam. I mean GW2 has pretty poor readability, but this game is on a whole other level.
I think the game needs a major overhaul in the combat department or the game will end up in limbo like EVE online where the game will never win or lose any players and just be filled with only veterans of the game that have a love/hate relation with it and refuse to quit and constantly complain how bad the game is. But considering how well the last update to attempt to fix weaving and heavy cancelling went, it will probably never happen.
Pvp is actually really easy to read what the enemy is doing, they have such distinct animations for each class and weapon ability’s it’s pretty hard to not know what about to hit you. There’s so much counter play and only in a couple few spots is there none(Sorc streak into a meteor)
It's pretty much there in limbo from what I've seen on my return. Hence all the tryhards in the comments lol
Some gear set ups do carrie avarage players but if you're bad, not even the most op cheese is going to be enough to help you.
I'm op but I don't farm the meta, I'm not buying the new dlc to get the new broken set. I do just fine. When I fight someone I can tell who's getting carried
Thank you for the topic. As one of those noobs been slaughtered by 1, 2 hits, I can confirm your points. Even if you have your game-experience, it doesn't count in Cyrodiil. You have the feeling of disturbing the "real" players, and thats just frustrating. Special beginner gear could be a way of slight equalization or even beginner and advanced zones. In either case, I fear this is going to remain a game of the pvp-elite. however, like for the topic
idk if maybe it's a templar thing, but I have only been playing a month and have been having a good time with pvp. I really like how high the skill ceiling is and just googled a decent skill/weapon line for pvp and it's been pretty effective. I agree with the IP point though, I haven't done the city a single time and had a good experience. zergs, nightblade 1 shots, just a ridiculous amount of stompy fun is being had - just not by me. I'm by no means a 25kill monster most games, but am able to at least go positive by a few kills at least (I have had a few games where its like 26-1 by the end and it feels AMAZING).
hearing that light attack weaving was even stronger before is scary :O
That said, I think imperial city could use a rework, seeing more 4v4, 8v8, and different styles of less stompy scenarios would be sweet. Maybe a mission where you have to guard the sewers from invasion and another faction has to attack your base but theres a player cap in the instance? Idk, but the current set up is definitely too stompy and depopulated to have a good time
even just larger scale BG's would be cool tbh. I think this game shines not in the large scale conflict, but with like 4-12 people trying to pop off together
zos said they will change pvp when they will be ready to change all like to make massive changes so in the very far future (or maybe they don't care 1 of 2 )let's hope they will change it in the far future, at least to change the what gear to use cuz some have to op sets really to op
The failure of PvP to attract new players is entirely a problem with ZoS. There are a few issues with the onboarding process: 1. There are no tutorials for PvP at all in-game. 2. There is no guidance for set progression in-game. 3. The sets new players have access to in the base game suck. 4. PvP receives almost zero attention from ZoS. 5. Frequent balance shifts cause confusion for new players who don't have the time to keep track of it all.
Solutions: 1. Add a series of tutorials or journal entries or something to teach new players how to play their class, how to fight against other players, what kind of stuff they should build (i.e. recovery, weapon and spell damage, critical.) 2. Create a set progression system that guides you through attaining/crafting basic sets, and make sure those sets are competitive in PvP, at least at an intermediate level. 3. Buff base game sets to be competitive vis-a-vis chapter and DLC sets -- also add some base game mythics. 4. Contribute more resources into PvP content. Add more (worthwhile) cosmetic rewards players can earn simply from playing (not even succeeding) in PvP modes. Add more maps to battleground, new modes, and interesting events. 5. Stop rebalancing (aka nerfing) PvP every 3 months and let people actually benefit from the sets they spend hours grinding.
As for PvP content, new modes can make it a lot less stale. I'm thinking something like an extraction-based mode, sort of like Tarkov, where you can loot items in a map and take them out if you survive. They could add rewards you can loot like cosmetics from old crown crates as a rare drop to encourage people to play. You could focus on stealthing it and try to get out alive, or try to tank everything, or gank everyone down. It would be a perfect match for ESO's game design and it would allow people to avoid fighting if they want to. Of course, ZoS will never add new PvP content, so idk why I'm bothering.
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solution 1 doesnt work due to classes not having static playstyles, you can go fight 100 DKs and they will all fight different in a way, same with builds...builds change alot and the build you're using is dependant on what you wanna do and i wouldn't really trust the same dev team who let through pre nerf 7th legion for builds just go to TH-cam videos, they also cant help you fight other players most of Zos team dont even play the game let alone are good at it. If you really wanna get better and learn pvp watch good pvpers 1vx and watch how they play and watch what they do, you can use their builds too
a tarkov type gamemode is cool in idea just not in practice extract camping is an issue in tarkov i dont think a new player is gonna wanna run through cyro looting just to get bursted by a good player whos just standing at the extract in stealth
Why does Dawn-breaker not hit good players? Anyone find this?
Some 17k HP Sorc with two pets eat it, the 25k 15-0 DK doesn’t hit him.
I literally cant figure out how to join pvp
Just bring some sort of MMR and also don't tag solo players with groups.
A group of 4 solo player will never take down a premade of 4 w/ their roles setup & actually playing together (ie : LoL has solo/duo split from 3/4/5man premade for a reason)
I was a top 5 player in battlegrounds about a year ago and now I came back to find out none of my gear was still relevant, that everyone became unkillable tanks and that the pvp scene is basically dead. Everything that I know about pvp just didn't make a difference anymore compared to the elites who play constantly. When I play a competitive game like CSGO my ability to compete didn't disappear suddenly because I didn't keep up with an endless toxic meta that keeps changing. If you have the skill you don't suddenly unlearn how to play a game but in every MMO this is the case...
There's tons of guides out there to teach the basics if you just look not like when I started pvp in 2015
One of those mid tier players. The issue honestly isnt the skill gap. Its the lack of information and/or desire to advance... Guides can be made and people watch them; but they need to know why and how; aswell as have motivation to improve.
A vast majority of players are casual; and have minimal desire to spend time to improve aspects of their game and would rather sit in a zerg. Where as the best way to improve is challenge yourself, not sit in the stack that you can expect to do 90%+ of the work for you. This is where the gap is; between casual and competitive natures imo.
But on the other end; as many have said for a while now; PvP is lacking content, and performance has caused the fall of many dedicated players and groups leaving.
The problem is eso doesn’t promote PvP, the under 50 campaign used to be full 24/7 years ago. It was the place to learn to play. I don’t think changing the game mechanics will do anything but upset people. They need a new wave of new players to learn by playing against each other. This is the only way people will stay and enjoy the game while learning and not getting destroyed.
I used to play under 50 cyrodill only and I've been thinking of going back to ESO, is it dead now?
@@dbromp extremely
@@dbrompJust overgeared people gatekeeping it
I agree I played pvp nonstop 6ish years ago (UncleBuck105) and the game was the best gaming experience I've ever had. everyone was newish and it was even worse cause the PC guys had all the CP till everyone caught up. The under 50 server was where you experimented and learned. Every game is like this once its only the "Try hards" left the game becomes boring. Also in the beginning there was no Meta yet and everyone copying it people still experimented with builds
100% agreed. when u try get into pvp u get battered but if u actually try compete you try gank/bomb in order to get into it which is also 100% fair but then u get shat on or talked down because ur a bomber or ganker. like sorry i have no idea how to pvp normally but i have no choice if i want to be competitive
I'm the guy going 25-0 and deleting people in 2 hits, 1 v X'd on every class stam and magicka both and I still dont understand how some people are taking almost no damage but then turning around and deleting people these days
Most PvP players don't take enough time to learn, because they stuck in "tunnel vision" focusing only on "I have to win". Listen, try different builds, become master in every weapon type - at least at one class, focus on gathering knowledge about PvP. Practice in CP and No CP. Practice in open world, duels, and in battlegrounds. Im sure you will understand how to fight and counter good players.
Make a video where you talk about your favourite class, and present your knowledge about this class. Publish variety of diffrent PvP builds, show other players that you can fight using any weapon type and play in different playstyles on your main class
Whining is easy and remember - if you are bad at the game it is only your own fault. Learn to play, or resign yourself to becoming one of the pieces that is meant to be sacrificed!
Im grinding it out atm but it is frustrating. I even googled the tag of one of these 1 v x people who keeps killing me beciase they seemed invincible. Turns out they are arcanist and im guessing tanky armour with balorgh. It made me resalise though i needed to ourge at a certain time because 3 or 4 of their offensive bar is debuffing me. I do have buffs on screen but find it hard to look at them whilst managing los health etc. Now im running extended ritual on back bar and am.suriving 10 to 20 seconds longer. Feels like im approaching the middle atm, but the really good people Re still basically invincible. Especially the shield players
Had my first bout of multiplayer the other day. Joined the under 50 war effort, server was very quiet. Me and my friend rendezvous with 2 others and we form a small raiding party.
I half expected to walk to a keep and have 10-20 people pour out and start massacring us.
Turns out, it's not that busy. Probs because it wasn't a weekend night, but there were around 7-10 of us by the end of it, and we swept through several of Daggerfall's keeps and got a good threat on two of the elder scrolls they had. Almost crowned an emperor, but unfortunately the current emperor was on, realized what we were trying to do, and promptly showed us why he was emperor by effortlessly 1v10ing us.
Got some nice loot though! Just need a good PvP build.
Most y’all just want a build to make you op without learning how to play it. IMO skyrims more your game. I play mainly solo so I know how hard pvp is to get into but once you’ve put the time in it’s so rewarding. My advice lose the ego and just play. There’s no punishment for dying so keep fighting till you get there!
Sorry friend, as someone with 3000 hours on PC alone, but I have to disagree.
I want to be clear this isnt meant to be toxic or negative but 1vxing and being that skilled come with time, effort, and learning the game mechanics. Those mechanics being combat awareness, effective kiting techniques (not running around a tree looking stupid), timing for skills (not only your own cooldowns but knowing your enemies abilities), global cooldown counting, etc. I am by-no-means the best, but alot of us can recognize who is newer by their application of skills. For example newer DK's popping ulti's for damage v. a sustain clutch. Its more obvious than people think and makes noobs easy targets. We dont need balancing sets, or anything like that. What we need is better skill-based matchmaking so I can play with people of my skill level (not decimate noobs). We need balancing in Cyro, sure, but we also need for people to understand that you dont HAVE to go to Greymarch (whatever the campaign name is called), there are others that are less populated and built to practice skills.
Skilled players want noobs to get good too... we both love the game and want it to be the best it can be.
See you out there, PC-NA.
Its an mmo! Skill and grinding should be rewarded, and a vet could make a new account and be empowered more if they got a buff for being new, gw2 is the same you come across a vet you're dead as a newbie, but what made me become top tier at eso pvp is seeing the good players 1vx and thinking shit that looks fun
Only one thing to say about this... l2p
One a more serious note, back when I got seriously into PvP, I used to log and/or record my PvP sessions. This allowed me to 1/ see how exactly I got steamrolled by this 45k hp DK that kitted me for 2 minutes before turn-and-burning me in .2 seconds and 2/ it allowed me to analyse my own gameplay, see what I did wrong in a situation, what I could have done to prevent it, all of that
Took me about 3 months to get from PvP noob to zerg steamroller
I mean, most of the people that are not seeing any improvements in their gameplay are not putting in the effort to learn the game's systems.
You walk into Cyrodil with 22k health, no impen, no sustain, PVE food with blue-tier weapons, no self-heal, no true CC, or multiple useless abilities that you can't synergize together, it doesn't matter how many hours you pvp you will not get better.
Most of the players getting killed over and over and over again never change anything about their build or playstyle. I don't really play anymore but when I played a lot of Cyrodil there were a lot of players me and my friends always saw doing the same thing in the same builds, never progressing, never learning, just showing up in Cyrodil every night and bashing their heads against the same wall over and over again.
Even after you put some meta gear sets on, a lot of players never change how they play. It's like... look, the first time you gap closer into 5 people with no ultimate up and instantly die, that's understandable. But after the 10th time, maybe stop pressing a button that places you right in the center of 5 people's worth of DPS?
The first time you tunnel-vision 1 guy who is on full defense mode, gas out of all your resources, and get one-tapped, that's fine. But if that happens to you so many times you want to quit, that TRULY is a learn to play issue.
Literally in any other game, it would be understood that somebody who doesn't understand positioning or awareness or managing resources (which are fundamental skills in any pvp game ever made) is going to lose to players who do understand.
The real issue is that pve players aren't trying to get into a pvp game. They are trying to role-play a pvp-themed fantasy, and then finding out why they don't play league or legends, overwatch 2, or other competitive pvp game--they lack the proper mindset to win in those environments.
havent played eso since launch came back a month ago new char nightblade tried pvp for the 1st time today ... im never gonna touch it again in 4 games i havent even hit a single person bc the moment i see someone he summons an entire zoo that kill me in 0.5 seconds i probably wont even play this game beyond goofing around in dungeons with friends
I just give my 2 cents as a StamSorc main who does outnumbered:
1. Melee StamSorc is not at its best state right now, it’s one of the more difficult classes to start with
2. You’re too offensive/too engaging. You’re not on a „stand your ground“ class, you need to use your agility/speed more. You cannot fight a decent DK without repositioning or baiting with Streak. They might hate whisper you but standing there = guaranteed death
3. You drop your buffs, you don’t cast HoTs in advance and you don’t have a proper burst heal. This is due to the Sorc kit: Dark Deal is a delayed and kinda low burst heal _alike_ skill that can be interrupted. Crit Surge is something you cannot rely on, so you need to keep your Vigor running all the time which is quite resource draining. DW/Destro is a bolt choice, but I recommend a pet then (it might die at some point but it more reliable than Surge). I personally cannot play without Rally. You may can work around with having SnB (and maybe frost staff) on backbar.
4. StamSorc has no access to the class shield which demands even more movement, so does the choice to not use SnB or pets (which are more effective on MagSorcs anyway because you can shield them).
StamSorc is a „burst and go“ class, so don’t stand still on a DK or Warden
At the end of the day it comes down to practice. When I first started, me and my friends went through the same thing it's just one of those things. Now we're prob those guys you're talking about 😂just gotta stick at it, find helpful vets and practice dueling. Once you become better at dueling, you'll find open world and bg's PvP alot easier 👍
Reminds me of Runescape/OSRS pvp. The obscure mechanics and strategies used in PvP make the skill cap so high that's it's almost totally inaccessible to newbies. Even with 1000 hours in the PvE part of the game, you have absolutely no idea what is going on when you watch an experienced PvPer fight.
if you have 1k hours in the game at all it will take like 2 or 3 days of pvping to figure it out
@@andrewpennington1338 Ask someone who's got 1000 hours on PvM experience how LoS mechanics work in the wild lmao. Or to list the various trees etc that allow one-way attacking. That's just a tiny detail but there's still no way you'd learn even just that in 2 or 3 days.... nevermind everything else that goes in to PvP/PKing
@@maskettaman1488 dude you are high good endgame pve players can learn to PvP easily
I think they need a tutorial plus a more detailed breakdown of why you died skill wise because at the moment skill plus amazing build makes people so tanky there is no feedback.if there was some way to know you were doing a good or bad rotation and the rest if just gear then youd be able to learn quicker. Other than that you just have to know every classes pvp build
This video is a year old and still accurate. Its unfortunate because I wanted to like the game. but after pvping around CP 200.. im just not into the months it takes to get to "pro" status. Thinking about trying gw2 :)
GW2 has went the same way years ago. PVP is same sweats and bots, most of the pop dropped from full server representation to this new alliance to mask how many ppl quit wvw. It's like eso is still good for pve, same with gw2 and yeah their servers lag since they moved to aws east also giving western US players double ping. Don't buy ppl's bs about 80-100 ping being fine, these games aren't WoW. Action combat games are almost as sensitive to high ping as shooters.
well, I've been doing way better in pvp in gw2 and its been pretty fun so far! boosted to 80 and got right into the action! doing well for only playing 6 days LOL @@gharm9129
ESO PVP in a nutshell: Zos has many bugs, players exploit bugs to gain a massive advantage, new players quit or build tanks and cry in forums, Zos can't fix bug so they nerf the exploit. Zerglings rock in this game as it is fun to 30vs1 the exploiters, I avoid them as they could be using scripts, if they are the type that abuse exploits, they surely are the types to cheat, which Zos does nothing. Not many players admit they PVP in ESO lol L2P and get gud means "learn to abuse the exploits like I did and ruin new players experience is fun"'
I get the point, tho ppl that don't pvp are sometimes not willing to learn how to pvp "correctly". This game allows u to create some unique stuff with your character but that doesn't mean it will always work, pvp is hard af at first but u just need to start paying attention on how its done. Honestly i would have little motivation to play if the competition was not high enough so i think maybe a solution would be ZOS doing some effort into introducing pvp to new players as they just let you loose in the thirsty, sweaty pvp environment.
This man has never heard of trials of Osiris
Tank meta made the pvp stale for very long now, since we lost bleeds ignoring resistances. Now skill hybridization made things even worse, everybody have enormous heals, all defensive buffs are very easy to obtain and devs still mess up with class balance and introduce expansion selling set or mythics. Nightblade gankers hit even harder than before and now Wardens with entire 'frost dps' nonsense is dominating everywhere. Not to mention ball groups (a group of densely packed players with coordinated sets and ultimate dumps with aoe heals 24/7) not only destroy other group but also increase lag by tenfold when you are nearby. All of this while game provide not much information until other people tell you, most of newbies think do they do well against mobs or dungeons and go in the same gear into pvp and get deleted by one lucky crit Lethal Arrow that they dont even see.
Ah and IC always been empty. The currency there is valuable but risk of losing half of the progress is so easy that nobody goes there unless there is an event. One mediocre built NB just go to your back in sneak and do Crushing Weapon light attack cancelled by Surprise Attack and 60% of your hp is gone, you are stunned with near zero resistances left adding patrolling bosses or just simple elite mobs around and there is no way for you to fight that NB back unless you run expensive stealth reveal skills.
Balance was better in the past, with classes being naturally designed to counter other specific classes and no ridiculous sets that either constantly heal you or do damage for you.
Tanner Lindberg can help you out with it probably
Grinding Pve to get the best PvP gear was what made me quit. I hate Pve and raids and big group challenges
I find it hard to believe skill is the division if you can 1v20 and not gear and abilities and talents.
Build a tank first, make sure your buffs are always up and your hots are running, use a good cc Skill, burst dps is your fourth priority. This will greatly improve your pvp experience.
Not on a Sorc.
dosent help i just get 3 hit
@@Enger1 what's your class? Build? Gear?
I'm confused do you just make all heavy armor gear and put all points into Stam or mag or just make your character beefy as much?
@@canisinumbra For sorc your priority is mobility > shields/hots > buffs > damage as a new player
Git gud 🤫 I spent about 6 straight months getting absolutely dumped on to become what I'd consider an above-average player. 30% of the people in Cyrodiil will still absolutely dump on me. I don't play as much because U36 bugged the hell out of the game, but if you're not willing to go run around and die a lot, then ESO PvP isn't going to be your bag.
I recommend trying to find a guild with veterans that help noobies. In just a few weeks I’ve seen people that are terrible at pvp and new, turn into being really good just with helpful guidance from vet players. Good luck out there!
thanks for the advice
i was looking for guides and builds online for some guidance since I usually play on my own.
and ngl finding a PVP Guild is probably the best and easiest way to get into PVP.
@Pinochet Best Waifu what? no one has said the opposite he just recommended to get into pvp guilds in order to improve in pvp
finaly a zergling perspective
Another thing to add, for those super new players who aren't even level 50 or CP 160 who try to get into pvp through battle grounds, there are plenty of people who are shit at pvp but need an ego boost from somewhere so they make new characters to curb stomp newbies who don't know or have access to good CC heals or burst skills to stroke their fragile egos
I’m lvl 22, first time playing. I just gotta say it’s genuinely fun af running around like Bruce Jenner at the 1976 summer Olympics pre menstrual cycles whilst “vets” are yelling at me to genuinely play and outright give af. It’s not that I’m trying to be an ass, its just being an ass has its perks like a waitress from Hooters tweaking on Oxycodone.
@@bootysnatcher4207 pre menstrual cycles I'm dying lmao
Watch other players like TheRealGodzilla and if you practice what they do, you will in fact get good.
Exactly what I experienced at the beginning for months, thanks pointing this out!
*Performance* is why the game is dying… everything you said aside from that is player issue. But pvp performance in eso is dog shit and until they fix it people won’t stick in the lag for long before they do pve or other games.
Dude, this deserved way more than 376 likes =D this was epic.
a while ago i wanted to see if i could survive in pvp for longer than 1 second so i built my templar with extreme defences, went all in on heavy armor with sets that boosted my crit res and gave me dmg reduction, i used skills that healed me and made me tankier, i was basically maxed out on defences, so i go into cyrodiil to do some daily quests expecting to get ganked and see if i could stay alive.
i died in 2 seconds
fake news or you are just really bad at pressing buttons
In my defense mass murder in battle grounds is very fun, but yeah I'm a middle of the road player who is decent in BGs but I stay the fuck out of Cyrodiil, the sweat is real.
Im CP700 and I never join pvp due to this. I would like to earn the daily pvp price once in a while but I just given it up as a bad job. I admit my pvp skill level is really low, but I never get paried with players on my skill level.
I started this game 3 month aggo and im now cp 950 i can pull 30kill in 1 bg just watch pvp build on youtube dont try to make your own build when you are new this game. Also start with battleground avoid cyrodill and imperial city before cp 800
If you know what you doing and tryhard in 3 days you can reach max level, and get all BIS items and totaly fight fair against for example 5.000 hours character. But tricky and fun part is experience and knowledge, they make you diffrent than others and enables you to 1vX. ESO PvP is very skill-based and fair. But there are ofc lots of problems with the game.
The Veteran players were shit once too, just saying..
Your points were valid, but in order to 'get good' you first have to 'get less shit' then readjust your goal to 'get average' then readjust again to 'above average' before you even try for 'get good'.. I stopped playing due to performance issues, in cyro. mid-fight the game would just stop functioning for about 1second resulting in unavoidable deaths.. coupled with an Aussie ping 280-310ms in PVP as a NB was bad enough then the random stops. I loved PVP in ESO even as a squishy NB, you don't go into PVP trying to be the best you go into PVP to win, if you do it often enough you have a better chance of becoming the best, but you don't have any chance of becoming the best if you don't get shit on constantly and learn from your mistakes expecting someone to hold your hand along the way, those veterans you mention probably didn't have anyone holding their hand either.
As someone that's played ESO since launch we didn't have guides to show us how to build our shit when we started, the performance was even worse than today and everyone put the time in to reach their 'elite status'.. As others have said, join a PVP guild, learn to PVP and one day you'll 'get good'.. simple as that.. the skill gap is there because most people are too lazy to develop their own skills or builds, they watch youtube and copy someone else with the mindset that what works for them will work for everyone else.. PVP is about adapting to different challenges, it's not the same as PVE, if you can't adapt you die.. if you can't improvise, you die.. if your game freezes randomly in a fight with a 280 ping, you die lol. No matter how long you've been playing, you die in PVP.
The skill gap between veteran and new players is the lowest it’s ever been. They added cast times on ults so new players have time to react, they took away almost all animation cancelling, many insane proc sets that carry your damage and defence, one bar heavy attack builds holding down one button with every buff in the game with the oakensoul mythic, cross group healing so if you’re zerging you get 30k health a second in heals. And if you’re new do what anyone does in any video game and look up hundreds of very strong easy to use builds on TH-cam that fully explain everything.
Eso pvp is on easy mode for casual and new players. As a vet at pvp I have to try 100 times harder then I ever have in the past 8 years.
I'll admit alot of what ur saying is true but kinda false depending on how u look at it but thing that Is definitely is people just saying "just get gud" what they could be saying is "hey find a pvp guild like bgs community (that's on ps na servers) or some guild do some battle grounds get friends to get gud with that way ull atleast have communication" or something like that
Also I've kinda noticed with alot of games narrowing the gap between vet and new players is incredibly hard without seriously pissing off the vet players unless u do it like how for honor did it where the combat in general is super hard compared to eso combat for honor is a God compared to a mortal in my opinion so if it's already hard combat with an mmr system then as soon as new players find out hyper aggressive is the absolute or a great way to play then they'll build from that point but it can be learned if they just really tried to get some friends who were vets and willing to give actual half decent advice
If PvP wasn't as ruined as it has been for the last... oh, idk... eight YEARS, ESO' PvP would be its outstanding feature. Sieges, massive combat, YES, by all means. But with a decade old equipment, it is what it is :(
That odd Cyro map, give us a break, is awful, tech design is older like a stone book, those fort and post are non tech war designed, the RSS NPC IA is just a shame.
So true man. Tried to get into it after playing eso for 2 years i got 1300CP and played a shitton of pve and vet dungeons etc. Then i went ahead and spend like 40million gold on a top end pvp build for my stamsorc go in there and get fc***d up in seconds 5 times. Never tried again lol. Never felt as if i had a chance not even with all the class experience etc in general its just a different game which is ruled by the sweatlords xD
40 millions??? What the fuck? Did you get scammed or something? Even 4 millions is a lot!
@@messiah4951 bro no clue i bought all the yellow armor and glyphs for the build from the web and those were the prices that were listed 😂 stupidly expensive
Yeah you gotta look for recent builds from trustworthy sources, a lot of builds out there are outdated or from untrustworthy sources
i don’t get why you expect to go in a different game mode and outplay experienced players (on a pretty weak class. You need to know your own strengths and weaknesses and every other class to counter them).
As a pvp vet, I agree.
First - i don't have any experience in ESO nor it's PvP. But i do have experience in competitive games or rather said their competitive aspects (LoL, WoW, CoD & CS / Valorant) and all the titles have a very hard time to get into. LoL literally has one of the most insane learning curves to "get good" at.
In MMOs what so ever, you do have PvP focused and less PvP focused Games where as all other Games are heavily PvP centered like LoL and CS. I'd assume ESO is not so much centered around PvP and if the Game locks you behind Progress within PvP (not that you have to play PvP to get better in terms of knowledge building, rather that you'd need to play PvP to even get the 'good' gear) than all i can say is sorry but the devs suck.
But if the Game does not lock you, there is only the knockledge of a player being left as a factor of win or loose, if the devs care about PvP. (There is not a single PvP focused Game in this World being perfectly balanced)
So, i feel like this Video should have rather went into the direction of how to fix it than just pointing out that there is a problem with knockledge progression within PvP. Because no Game in the world, where the PvP aspect of a game is so heavily centered, gives you the knowledge "to get good" in the Game itself. The Community makes up for this hole and min max everything. You where saying that there is nothing in between "a good" player and a "noob" within ESO, the difference is to vast and too frustrating for the noob section of the playerbase yet you describe yourself being in between. Here you could be fixing the issue but the playerbase is already too little to introduce something like a MMR System, just leading to long queue times.
Also, don't forget that heavy PvP centered Games have alot of Skill-Categorys to deal with whilst MMOs mostly have knowledge centered categories. There is not alot of room to outplay someone if you don't even know what you want to outplay - leading to the "wtf just killed me" instead of "oh i could've done this better".
This Video doesn't help anyone but trys to acknowledge a problem that probably was present for long before the video was uploaded.
Pretty much all MMOs have this Problem. Since its PvP Aspects are just too knowledge centered and counterintuitively executed - the player doesn't know what he could've done better without the foundation of knowing atleast the strong builds and classes in the game.
Have u ever tried guild wars 2? It's pvp u can get I to at lv 2 with max stats and everything unlocked
Same issue as he's talking about, and it's even worse in WvW. PvP builds on top of the skill difference causes the exact same issues where someone that knows what they're doing stomps everyone else, most times outnumbered at the same time. That's compounded because of the low player pop for sPvP, which can result in bronze ranked players getting matched against gold or plat players and the match is a 500 to sub 100 steamroll.
@@Ashendal maybe I personally haven't had this to me. Also on unlike eso in spvp u. U don't have to gear up. U can' experiment freely
If this game played like skyrim, it would be alot better. Looks like total chaos.
most of the time tbh its not even us being super tanky that makes us be able to handle 10 baby seals at a time, its just that they do 0 damage or are just spamming random skills. and anyone who does do damage or is really low max hp gets focused and killed first
this game's Multiplayer is just lord of the rings conquest but for modern consoles/systems
go buy lord of the rings conquest
I played ESO at its start, and for a time it was somewhat enjoyable experience. But everything started to go behind a paywall, and the game went into the "job game" category, meaning a game, you need to invest full time, in order to progress and be competitive. And since I need to work, I need to exercise, in order to not becme a ball of blubber (again) - the amount of time I can spend in a game is limited, thus I prefer more casual games, letting me play and progress at my own pace. Like Warframe, Valheim, etc.
People are leaving ESO PvP because the developers have only put out 2-3 PvP related patches and have done nothing to improve quality of life for PvP in the near 10 year history of this game. Not every great player you see today was always good, everyone started at some point being a "noob." Just get into groups, ask questions, research "top players" build videos, see what they are doing, etc. ReactFaster is one of those types of players who is excellent end game PvP and he puts out build videos that also explain why and what he's doing with the build. Everyone also wants it easy mode and reality is ESO PvP is far easier to get into and learn than any other game because the floor of the game is so high for new players. If you want to see real elitism and exclusion try getting into end game PvE veteran trial content.
or quit the game like i did
Are we playing the same game? I have literally the reverse experience you have. Getting into veteran trail content was fairly easy. Well, maybe not easy, but simple. Just join a PvE guild, do some practice on normal, beat it on veteran, and when you have the achievement, PUGs will take you in craglorn.
I dunno, maybe that's just my experience as a tank.
With all my experience, my best gear, and 1.5k hours in this game, in PvP that amounts to me dying in 10 seconds instead of 2.
You know, I wouldn't mind playing out the battlegrounds and dying 20 times if I would just at least get the daily reward for participating. But if my team's in last place, I get nothing. Queuing + 15 minutes of my valuable, limited time on this earth, completely wasted. I might as well just make another alt, do some crafting quests, and a RND. Or turn off the computer and read a book.
Veterans are so Nice and kind but insanely strong
most good pvpers would be happy to help you with questions and advice too, its just in pvp you kinda kill anything that moves
There are also a lot of toxic ones who get power trips off running meta sets they themselves aren't creative enough to come up with
@@vossboss220 well luckily I haven't encountered those ones
@@Deztroye do random BGs long enough you'll recognize them in time
Ive played PvP for years because I enjoy the game but I agree, PvP is so unbalanced its killing itself
Pvp is very easy to get into so many ppl willing to help and teach don’t be afraid to ask someone for a build u think is cool and you want to try .
The original guild wars had one pvp mode where you could choose any gear. BGs need to have every gear option available. That would bring more pvpers to the game.
If u come from other mmorpg's PvP use to the mindset of 2-3+ players rolling over single players with ease, you'll certainly get a wake-up call expecting that in ESO. That's also the beauty of ESO. It allows the outnumbered player a chance to counter usually certain death in other games, with skill and high battle iq. 😎
@Pinochet Best Waifu victim of a Xv1? 🤭
Some players actually like getting beat it encourages you to get better.
Masochists
create a server for cp0-500 or lower, so they only face each other and learn at their own pace, also make it so they can join the higher level players if they want.
People just need to be shown how to pvp I've taught 100s of people to pvp and build for pvp and it takes practice but pvp is pretty much end game but pvp is about your build and resources and burst dmg or dig over time unless your tank you are consistently healing light weaving or heavy weaving animation canceling looking at your resources and figuring out when to burst your opponents dueling is a great start into pvp because you learn how to fight other class or have multiple characters each 1 being different so you know each characters skill
Any game without gear normalization / bolster is NOT a PvP game. It's a gear / grind game.
ESO's PvP is indeed such a completely imbalanced clusterfuck. Haven't seen anything this new player unfriendly in any other major MMORPG that has PvP. I think I'm just not going to bother anymore as it doesn't really seem skill-based. It's certainly build / gear > skill. I don't have an eternity to grind and there are so many other great games to play.
After playing for 300 hrs, I still get one-shotted in PvP, don't still have anything resembling a PvP set, not to mention unlocking all the skills. Oh, and having absolutely NO IDEA what even killed me (oh, here's a damage recap with some ability icons BUT without tooltips, wtf...) is such a great feature. I also witnessed a guy face tanking 10 other people in Cyrodill, he was just an unkillable nightblade. Literally - one guy trolling 10 players. Other dude stealthed inside a keep and one shotted a dozen of folks with a bomb.
As a new person to ESO and ESO PVP, this video provided no benefit. You did not explain what the issue between new players and vets are, other than "new players arent as good as vets so they dont win" okay, is it the gear? the dot lineup? the procs? the talent tree? idk man elaborate. Dont just say "new players bad, vets good." you sound just like who you complain about. And let me preface again, new player.....60 hours.