Just want to say that Giannis has ALWAYS been really good at passing, and playmaking with great court vision at his size. He's improved at that just about every year, yes, but that's been a strength of his forever. It was moreso the willingness and trust. Sometimes he was forcing shots because he didn't want to let his fate be decided by his teammates scoring ability, Kobe/Shaq style I would say, but he's decided this year be more willing to trust and live with the results, and that's why his assist number went up. However, if you look and his pick and roll efficiency numbers, he always been basically number 1 in the league at the playtype, it's about how often they run it, and whether Giannis trusts his teammates to finish the plays he creates, but court vision hasn't truly been the issue 90% of the time. Also Giannis was actually efficient against the Celtics from the field, his free throw shooting, due to exhaustion, was what suffered, but he was still sble to score in the half court very often, to the point of multiple 40+ point games, and averaging 35+ with 7+ assists for the series.
Jayson Tatum is the only player that every time people talk about him, half the convo has to negative. Never seen this level of hate for such a likable player. Never once thought he was corny lmao.
For real. Tatum is a good guy and a good guy who stays out of trouble yet people have nothing to really hate him for so they make up shit Those same people love to dickride overrated ass Kobe, who stole EVERYTHING from his moveset to his verbal tonality and lexical choices from Michael Jordan and was STILL an inferior player.
@@1800LUNATIC The ode to KG was so dope! It was poetic. KG ended a 22 year championship drought with Boston by winning in '08. JT ended a 16 year championship drought with Boston winning this year. Many had questions about whether each could get it done. Both players sacrificed for the greater good of the team. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!! WE DID IT!!! Tatum's run is just beginning. It's only up from here for him!
Tatum over Lebron 😂😂😂😂Gtfoh, watch USA team, best player on the team i want the guy who can score the last 11 pts of my team in the clutch and literally outscore the opponent in the last 5 min, Lebron just made 2 consecutive game winner on the most stacked team ever, cmon guys y’all can’t be that ignorant, y’all sound like haters
the fact that people hate on Tatum for the way he celebrated HIS championship is corny... but nobody is ready for that conversation because they too busy hating.
@@Mark-sk6om the list is based off where they are currently playing at. Just baffling to me that he’s not an honorable mention with names like Aaron Gordon, JJJ, and Julius Randle
Im surprised non of you guys mentioned Gordie Howe the first professional athlete to play with his son in the NHL and AMH (before the merger) Mr.Hockey played until he was 69
Saikam over Paolo is crazy their roles and attention they garner are on a different level he’s THE shot creator on his team with no spacing to work with as well as his playmaking is above saikam add the playoffs can’t see paolo not being over him
the main thing is id have zion below siakam and randle moved between zion and siakam, and i also have lebron as a 3 so he wouldnt be on the list at all
Ok maybe I’m just crazy. Just because you run the 4 in a small lineup doesn’t make you a power forward. KD Bron and Tatum are all small forwards running the 4. I get why they did it but it makes it a weird list for me.
Lauri over JJJ, Mobley, Siakam, and Paolo 😮💨. Lauri is in the mikal bridges exposure light. They are not number one options. Maybe best as number 3 on a championship team. Mobley and JJJ are DPOY type of guys. Siakam is proven plus more effective defensively. Paolo is the only one whos shown/proven to be a great potential number one option. I love Lauri's game, but hes not being taken over the other guys mentioned
Great vid guys but I just can’t take Tatum over LeBron. Sure Tatum can play harder during random regular season games because of age but I don’t think that’s as impactful as LeBron being clutch and playing great in big games.
I don’t think jt has cleared Luka or sga but for me it’s tough to make an argument that any1 of those guys clears the others. They’re equal to me. My most pro jt take is that he’ll go down as the greatest player of his generation (defined as draft classes 2012-2022). That includes giannis jokic Luka and ant. I believe that bc: 1. He wins. I’d bet he wins significantly more titles than all these guys. 2. Individually he’ll prob end his career top 3 in playoff wins points n rebounds. He’ll end top 10 in total points n rebs during the regular season szn also 3. Luka ant giannis n jokic have zero chance of catching up to Tatum individual playoff totals. N jokic has zero shot of catching him in reg szn totals. Most of the argument hinges on winning but that’s why the game is played n he’s been the best player on all his ecf n finals teams
In my book Tatum's title is akin to the Durant titles in GSW and Tatum stands absolutely no chance of being the greatest of his generation. Tatum is too flawed an offensive player to ever be considered that (Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Embiid, SGA are all miles ahead), nor is he so great defensively (would have to be like KG levels) that he can make up for that (great defender tho, don't get me wrong) and he's genuinely had the best luck of any superstar (in terms of roster around him) that I've experienced since Kobe with Shaq and Kobe showed that he could do it without shaq after. Just look at how they're treating Tatum in the US team. You think Giannis, SGA, Luka or Jokic would ever not start if they were American? You think they wouldn't be considered the no. 1 options even with LeBron and Steph on the team? It really bugs me that people seem to attribute so much of the C's success to Tatum when it's Brad Stevens that won them a chip. Tatum doesn't have one skill that is truly generational, which is generally needed to be considered the greatest of your generation (in addition to being great at other things (Russell - defense, Kareem - Scoring, Magic/Bird - passing/playmaking, MJ - scoring, Kobe - scoring/Duncan - defense, LeBron - playmaking and scoring, Steph - shooting). Giannis, Luka and Jokic all possess generational skills on top of being great at most things and only having one or two weaknesses. Tatum is like a B+ at everything, which makes him great, just not close to the level needed to be considered the best of the generation
@@AMINOMMA to be clear i feel youre entitled to your own opinion but i think there are things youre missing so ill respond to each of your points: 1. saying tatum has absolutely no chance is hyperbolic. this is not abt what these guys are now, its abt how they project and that leaves a ton of room for different possibilities. if i said some1 cant catch jt in some aspect of the game its bc they cant from an objective numerical perspective (barring career ending injuries and assuming guys stay somewhat close the pace they've exhibited to this point). you have to remember GREATEST is different than BEST. i wouldnt argue jt is best in the league rn but id bet he ends up greatest in his generation when they all retire. 2. jt's title is nothing like kd's for two rzns. first bc he played w another top 10 greatest player of all time in steph. ik you wouldnt put jb in that category. secondly, we saw gsw win a ring and rack up 73 reg szn wins in 1 szn. the celtics have never been that successful w/o jt 3. tatum isnt that flawed a player relative to the guys you mentioned. he may not have exhibited their level of dominance in a single area but his versatility closes the gap significantly. in the playoffs teams will sell out to take away what guys do well. bc tatum is so well rounded he can simply change his approach on either side of the ball to counter the oppositions scheme. that value is hard to quantify specifically but is key to WINNING esp in the post szn 4. tatum rly hasnt had that much roster luck n i think thats a tired argument, let me explain...first of all every great player who has won a ring had a stacked team. if you dont hold it against bron n mj n magic n bird n steph n timmy n kobe then you cant hold it against jt. secondly, jt really hasnt had that much luck/been on stacked teams his whole career. these are all the starting 5s in his playoff career : -2018: rozier, smart, jb, jt, al (kyrie n gordon were hurt - 2019: kyrie, smart, hayward, jt, al (n kyrie quit on them n gordon was never the same cming off the injury) -2020: kemba, smart, jb, jt, theis (kemba's knees were galling apart) - 2021: smart, fournier, langford, jt, tristan thompson (jb n kemba were hurt) - 2022: smart, jb, jt, al, rob (rob n smart were hurt n missed games) - 2023: smart, jb, jt, al, rob (brogdon missed the ecf n jt hurt his ankle in game 7) - 2024: dwhite, jrue, jb, jt, kp (kp missed all but 4 games) not exactly the greatest luck. the diff between tatum n kobe is that tatum has clearly been the best player on ALL of his conference finals n finals teams. 5. tatum was the 2nd leading scorer on the last olympic gold medal team so hes already stamped as a great team usa guy. this yr bron n steph are featured bc of their status in the league not where they are now...bc of that every1 but giannis n jokic would take a back seat on this olympic team. n im not arguing that jt is better than giannis n jok rn. 6. brad is great but tatum's (n brown's) versatility makes it much easier for brad to put winning teams around him. his versatility is generational, he doesnt need to be the best in the league at a specific skill...the best rebounder in the league is usually not a generational player for instance. or take a guy like larry bird - he was NEVER the best passer/play maker in the league foh. he did everything at a high level n thats what made him special like tatum. bron too. he was never the best passer/play maker n we was never the best scorer in the league or defender. hes another one of these versatile guys i think we also have to remember tatum is 26 so while hes not as good as giannis or jokic rn he may reach that level one day. like the nerds said if tatum's shot falls like it did earlier in his career n he maintains the other parts of his game hes a top 3 guy easily - maybe best in the league esp as giannis n jokic age
Please explain to me how a championship boosted Tatum over Lebron when he wasn't fmvp. Tatum had an average playoff run for a Superstar and only won because he had an elite team behind him. Kd and Lebron are both better basketball players than Tatum. Both Bron and Kd are way better offensive players, provide more for their team, are more impactful, and have a more difficult role on there team.
I'm starting to get really annoyed by these LeBron longevity takes, how unprecedented it is. Yeah, it is mad that this guy is still a top 15 player in the league (by any estimation). However, when looking at other sports, we've seen this kind of unprecedented longevity suddenly pop up in many sports (Tennis - Djokovic at Wimbledon this year, Federer making a Wimbledon final at 38 and winning one at 37, Nadal winning two slams at 36. Football - Tom Brady. Soccer - Luka Modric still being one of the best midfielders in the world at 38. F1 - Alonso still being one of the best drivers at 42. I could find other examples) Don't get me wrong, what these guys are achieving is ridiculous but it cannot be a coincidence that we're seeing this all happen in this era. Don't forget that Bron spends a million dollars a year on his body. It's why his longevity gets overblown quite a bit imo.
Dude Lebron is better than Tatum. Tatum was not even close to good enough offensively for me to give him the nod over lebron. There’s just levels to this and Lebron is an offensive genius.
lebrons weakness is he can sustain his play over the course of a full game let alone a full reg n post szn. he has to take off big stretches of the game. otherwise id prob agree w you although tatums defense > brons even at brons current best
@@taylor7264 I’m aware but Lebron is still just flat out the better basketball player. Tatum is way too inconsistent offensively and was flat out not good enough in this playoff run even though they won. I think Tatum is very fortunate to be on the Celtics because if he had more on his shoulders offensively the narrative around him would be completely different. He’s not a good enough number 1 offensively and bron is but yea Tatum is the way better defender.
@@aidanbogursky2581 boston was 18 points per 100 possessions better w tatum on the court in the postszn. in '20 he n jb took a a team that started theis n kemba's rotting knees to the ecf. he took bron to 7 in the ecf as a rookie w tro ,smart, jb, n al in the starting lineup. hes not bring carried. hes proved hes 1 of the best #1s in the league for perspective in the wcf, lukas best series, the mavs were 10 points per 100 possessions better when luka was OFF the court at brons best hes a better offensive #1 but are you rly a #1 if you can only do it for 15 min a game n for 70 games a reg szn+postszn combined??? i dont think so brunson being better than tatum is laughable.
@@taylor7264 Dude he’s still not a good #1 option offensively. The Celtics were stacked and when he’s off the floor who’s his replacement? Sam Houser? I know he impacts the game in a lot of different ways but his offensive inconsistency especially this year was very concerning. If he didn’t have the supporting cast that he has now which btw is ridiculously good the narrative would be completely different like I said. Also not trying to argue which player is better but Tatum could not take on the load offensively and do nearly as good of a job as Brunson did for this Knicks team.
@@aidanbogursky2581 bro some1 has to be their #1 option offensively... when tatum sits its not hauser. if his other teammates where that good why couldnt they take over the #1 responsibilities as effectively? swap tatum from brunson n the knicks are much better n celtics are much worse
He led the champs in points, rebounds and assists throughout the entirety of the playoffs. That the definition of reliability. You’re just talking about shooting %
@@SuperDunk1000 That isnt the definition of reliability. His efficiency was bad and he was shit in the clutch, they just won because the team is stacked and they played shit ass teams
You read the stats. In no way is KD worse than Tatum. More versatile scorer and a better defender than LeBron at this point in LeBron's career too, though I get putting LeBron over him because of playmaking. If you put LeBron or KD on the Celtics, the Celtics are better than they are with Tatum. Tatum is painfully inconsistent. Sometimes he looks better than Giannis, others he settles for contested 3s and lays bricks. When you're talking about the best of the best, its the consistency that differentiates.
Jt had the same ts% as Brunson but every1 is on Brunsons 🍆 n hates on jts efficiency. It’s bc those numbers are lower than what we expect from jt n we have relatively low expectations for Brunson
I wouldn't put Brunson in conversation for best player of his generation/the league and nor would anyone with any degree of rationality. I see delusional Tatum fans do that all the time. That's why he receives that hate, not bc people think he's bad (except for maybe a few losers)
@@AMINOMMA i dont put tatum in the best in the world convo at all. im just saying you cant praise jb for his ability to score the ball in these playoffs if youre also hating on tatum for his inefficiency bc they were the same. shoot lukas career post szn ts% is .570 tatums is .566. essentially the same but they get talked abt v v differently remember 1. tatum is 26 n will continue to get better 2. theres a difference between best and greatest
Brunson's most common lineups had: Randle, Mitchell Robinson, Barrett, Grimes or Hartenstein, Hart, Divincenzo, and Anunoby Tatum's by far most common lineup had: Holiday, Porzingis, Brown, and Derrick White Which lineup provides more spacing, and better defense to increase transition opportunities? And no one serious is saying Brunson is anything better than barely top 10.
Brunson did not have the level of spacing Tatum had. Tatum is in the most privileged offensive situation In The league. Brunson is a flat out better off-site engine and player than Tatum and it’s not close on that end of the floor. I believe Brunson is the better basketball player and most of has to do with the huge offensive gap.
@@samhorn3740 they had 4 shooters on the court at all times. not as good as 5 but spacing was good enough. just like the convo the nerds had abt lauri...you dont have to have the ball in your hands to be an offensive engine. tatum weaponizes his gravity to get his team great looks even when his shot isnt falling - thats on ball as a ball handler and screener, as well as off ball as a screener or cutter. Cs were 18 points per 100 possessions better when he was on the court in playoffs. thats no coincidence. jt is the better engine. brunson MIGHT be a better 1v1 scorer. two v different things n thats before we get to the defensive gap between them...
@@tyriantaylor711the Olympics are clear proof.. When it matters most lebron is still better. If lebron had Tatums roster it would be obvious but of course y’all are sheep regular season casuals. I got it.
3 spots below mobley lmao. Logan has to be the most reactionary "analyst" I've ever seen. There is absultely no way you could believe that Mobley is a better basketball player than Markkannen... let alone any of the guys in the top 10
@@1800LUNATIC Im the self claimed biggest cavs fan and yah, only way I can see any of Logan's 6-10 making sense is that he's clearly projecting in his list. He constantly says like he sees growth and potential spots to improve in for all those guys. Where as Carson is listing as of July 2024 what do we have from these guys.
@@Nemesis56113 Randle is a poor decision maker, turnover prone, lackadaisical defensively and a consistent playoff dropper. He isn’t a winning player until proven otherwise. Sorry
Lebrons still better than Tatum. If Lebron was on the Celtics he’d win finals mvp. Tatum plays mediocre superstar basketball as a primary shot creator. Bro is getting coddled for being the Andre iguodala of a team with 5 30 million dollar players
You two calling anyone a corn ball is hilarious
This comment was pure hatin' but it made me laugh my ass off.
Naz Reid better be #1 Center or you guys just don’t know ball
Naz is more of a wing than a big
Over Jokic? bruh what are you doing.....
@@Nyjeezy Naz locked Jokic down in the playoffs fym. Greatest player of all time
@@eanbenjammin2032 He’s listed at Center and he’s the greatest player of all time and it’s not even close
it’s true he is the goat
Just want to say that Giannis has ALWAYS been really good at passing, and playmaking with great court vision at his size. He's improved at that just about every year, yes, but that's been a strength of his forever. It was moreso the willingness and trust. Sometimes he was forcing shots because he didn't want to let his fate be decided by his teammates scoring ability, Kobe/Shaq style I would say, but he's decided this year be more willing to trust and live with the results, and that's why his assist number went up. However, if you look and his pick and roll efficiency numbers, he always been basically number 1 in the league at the playtype, it's about how often they run it, and whether Giannis trusts his teammates to finish the plays he creates, but court vision hasn't truly been the issue 90% of the time. Also Giannis was actually efficient against the Celtics from the field, his free throw shooting, due to exhaustion, was what suffered, but he was still sble to score in the half court very often, to the point of multiple 40+ point games, and averaging 35+ with 7+ assists for the series.
Jayson Tatum is the only player that every time people talk about him, half the convo has to negative. Never seen this level of hate for such a likable player. Never once thought he was corny lmao.
For real. Tatum is a good guy and a good guy who stays out of trouble yet people have nothing to really hate him for so they make up shit
Those same people love to dickride overrated ass Kobe, who stole EVERYTHING from his moveset to his verbal tonality and lexical choices from Michael Jordan and was STILL an inferior player.
I think the compilation of him copying other people celebrations is what most people think of. Especially the KG one, that was corny af
@@1800LUNATIC The ode to KG was so dope! It was poetic. KG ended a 22 year championship drought with Boston by winning in '08. JT ended a 16 year championship drought with Boston winning this year. Many had questions about whether each could get it done. Both players sacrificed for the greater good of the team. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!! WE DID IT!!!
Tatum's run is just beginning. It's only up from here for him!
@@kyleharris2307 poetic? bruh it was corny LOL
@@Nyjeezy
Social media: jAySoN tAtUm iS cOrNy. hE cOpieS eVeRy1
*the previous 1000 posts*: jAySoN tAtUm iS cOrNy. hE cOpieS eVeRy1
See the irony? 😂
Tatum over Lebron 😂😂😂😂Gtfoh, watch USA team, best player on the team i want the guy who can score the last 11 pts of my team in the clutch and literally outscore the opponent in the last 5 min, Lebron just made 2 consecutive game winner on the most stacked team ever, cmon guys y’all can’t be that ignorant, y’all sound like haters
Tatum dnps lmaooooo
I needed this today love you boys
You guys have reached NoDunks level to me - high praise iykyk
I swear these lists are consistently accurate and thorough except Logan has one selection at each position of complete lunacy 😂
Who does Logan think Mobley is jfc
Carson you’ve just reignited my need for Lauri on my pacers 33:43
Very argumentative , get headaches and meltdowns doing these rankings with my brothers 😅
Fun summer segment fellas
the fact that people hate on Tatum for the way he celebrated HIS championship is corny... but nobody is ready for that conversation because they too busy hating.
you caring about who I think is corny IS corny
@@1800LUNATIC that was so creative you get a gold star
Boys y’all are off that pack if you think tatum’s endurance is enough to put him over Brons level of ability and talent rn
Lauri over klay offensively??????? Brotha I’m sorry but you’re insane lmao Lauri boutta be 28 and has never sniffed peak klay
they aren't talking about historically. currently right now klay is a shell of himself. 0-10 bruh, don't be stupid
Giannis is the best PF since Duncan
2020 AD
If his peak lasted longer sure@@JOHNNYPMUSIC
duncan and kg are the only pfs that are better than giannis all time
Kg isn’t even better than dirk or kd or bird or did we just forget about them lol
@@Casualfan101KG’s peak was way higher than Dirk everyone else is true tho
Lebron is #1 in a single game format.
Mobley over Siakam was enough to close the vid. Do better fam
Damn, even in Zion’s worst year he would’ve been #3 on this list if only Lebron and KD were still listed as Small Forwards.
Kobe imitates Jordan: He's so cool!
Tatum imitates Kobe: What a corny guy...
People are weird. 🤷
Is KAT not viewed as a PF?
He's been a 5 for a lot longer
@@Mark-sk6om the list is based off where they are currently playing at. Just baffling to me that he’s not an honorable mention with names like Aaron Gordon, JJJ, and Julius Randle
@@matthewyoung549trip j is better 🥸
Kat is not better than jjj maybe Randle but Gordon is crazy tbh lmao
He should be. Played two years as a primary PF now, and he should be above Draymond, Gordon, Randle, and JJJ.
People forget J brown STOPPED Zion in the regular season this year
Im surprised non of you guys mentioned Gordie Howe the first professional athlete to play with his son in the NHL and AMH (before the merger) Mr.Hockey played until he was 69
Saikam over Paolo is crazy their roles and attention they garner are on a different level he’s THE shot creator on his team with no spacing to work with as well as his playmaking is above saikam add the playoffs can’t see paolo not being over him
the main thing is id have zion below siakam and randle moved between zion and siakam, and i also have lebron as a 3 so he wouldnt be on the list at all
Ah yes, you prefer your stars to say Send Da Video
Ok maybe I’m just crazy. Just because you run the 4 in a small lineup doesn’t make you a power forward. KD Bron and Tatum are all small forwards running the 4.
I get why they did it but it makes it a weird list for me.
Not even a minute in, ✌️
Lauri over JJJ, Mobley, Siakam, and Paolo 😮💨.
Lauri is in the mikal bridges exposure light. They are not number one options. Maybe best as number 3 on a championship team. Mobley and JJJ are DPOY type of guys. Siakam is proven plus more effective defensively. Paolo is the only one whos shown/proven to be a great potential number one option.
I love Lauri's game, but hes not being taken over the other guys mentioned
Great vid guys but I just can’t take Tatum over LeBron. Sure Tatum can play harder during random regular season games because of age but I don’t think that’s as impactful as LeBron being clutch and playing great in big games.
I don’t think jt has cleared Luka or sga but for me it’s tough to make an argument that any1 of those guys clears the others. They’re equal to me.
My most pro jt take is that he’ll go down as the greatest player of his generation (defined as draft classes 2012-2022). That includes giannis jokic Luka and ant. I believe that bc:
1. He wins. I’d bet he wins significantly more titles than all these guys.
2. Individually he’ll prob end his career top 3 in playoff wins points n rebounds. He’ll end top 10 in total points n rebs during the regular season szn also
3. Luka ant giannis n jokic have zero chance of catching up to Tatum individual playoff totals. N jokic has zero shot of catching him in reg szn totals.
Most of the argument hinges on winning but that’s why the game is played n he’s been the best player on all his ecf n finals teams
In my book Tatum's title is akin to the Durant titles in GSW and Tatum stands absolutely no chance of being the greatest of his generation. Tatum is too flawed an offensive player to ever be considered that (Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Embiid, SGA are all miles ahead), nor is he so great defensively (would have to be like KG levels) that he can make up for that (great defender tho, don't get me wrong) and he's genuinely had the best luck of any superstar (in terms of roster around him) that I've experienced since Kobe with Shaq and Kobe showed that he could do it without shaq after. Just look at how they're treating Tatum in the US team. You think Giannis, SGA, Luka or Jokic would ever not start if they were American? You think they wouldn't be considered the no. 1 options even with LeBron and Steph on the team? It really bugs me that people seem to attribute so much of the C's success to Tatum when it's Brad Stevens that won them a chip. Tatum doesn't have one skill that is truly generational, which is generally needed to be considered the greatest of your generation (in addition to being great at other things (Russell - defense, Kareem - Scoring, Magic/Bird - passing/playmaking, MJ - scoring, Kobe - scoring/Duncan - defense, LeBron - playmaking and scoring, Steph - shooting). Giannis, Luka and Jokic all possess generational skills on top of being great at most things and only having one or two weaknesses. Tatum is like a B+ at everything, which makes him great, just not close to the level needed to be considered the best of the generation
@@AMINOMMA to be clear i feel youre entitled to your own opinion but i think there are things youre missing so ill respond to each of your points:
1. saying tatum has absolutely no chance is hyperbolic. this is not abt what these guys are now, its abt how they project and that leaves a ton of room for different possibilities. if i said some1 cant catch jt in some aspect of the game its bc they cant from an objective numerical perspective (barring career ending injuries and assuming guys stay somewhat close the pace they've exhibited to this point). you have to remember GREATEST is different than BEST. i wouldnt argue jt is best in the league rn but id bet he ends up greatest in his generation when they all retire.
2. jt's title is nothing like kd's for two rzns. first bc he played w another top 10 greatest player of all time in steph. ik you wouldnt put jb in that category. secondly, we saw gsw win a ring and rack up 73 reg szn wins in 1 szn. the celtics have never been that successful w/o jt
3. tatum isnt that flawed a player relative to the guys you mentioned. he may not have exhibited their level of dominance in a single area but his versatility closes the gap significantly. in the playoffs teams will sell out to take away what guys do well. bc tatum is so well rounded he can simply change his approach on either side of the ball to counter the oppositions scheme. that value is hard to quantify specifically but is key to WINNING esp in the post szn
4. tatum rly hasnt had that much roster luck n i think thats a tired argument, let me explain...first of all every great player who has won a ring had a stacked team. if you dont hold it against bron n mj n magic n bird n steph n timmy n kobe then you cant hold it against jt. secondly, jt really hasnt had that much luck/been on stacked teams his whole career. these are all the starting 5s in his playoff career :
-2018: rozier, smart, jb, jt, al (kyrie n gordon were hurt
- 2019: kyrie, smart, hayward, jt, al (n kyrie quit on them n gordon was never the same cming off the injury)
-2020: kemba, smart, jb, jt, theis (kemba's knees were galling apart)
- 2021: smart, fournier, langford, jt, tristan thompson (jb n kemba were hurt)
- 2022: smart, jb, jt, al, rob (rob n smart were hurt n missed games)
- 2023: smart, jb, jt, al, rob (brogdon missed the ecf n jt hurt his ankle in game 7)
- 2024: dwhite, jrue, jb, jt, kp (kp missed all but 4 games)
not exactly the greatest luck. the diff between tatum n kobe is that tatum has clearly been the best player on ALL of his conference finals n finals teams.
5. tatum was the 2nd leading scorer on the last olympic gold medal team so hes already stamped as a great team usa guy. this yr bron n steph are featured bc of their status in the league not where they are now...bc of that every1 but giannis n jokic would take a back seat on this olympic team. n im not arguing that jt is better than giannis n jok rn.
6. brad is great but tatum's (n brown's) versatility makes it much easier for brad to put winning teams around him. his versatility is generational, he doesnt need to be the best in the league at a specific skill...the best rebounder in the league is usually not a generational player for instance. or take a guy like larry bird - he was NEVER the best passer/play maker in the league foh. he did everything at a high level n thats what made him special like tatum. bron too. he was never the best passer/play maker n we was never the best scorer in the league or defender. hes another one of these versatile guys
i think we also have to remember tatum is 26 so while hes not as good as giannis or jokic rn he may reach that level one day. like the nerds said if tatum's shot falls like it did earlier in his career n he maintains the other parts of his game hes a top 3 guy easily - maybe best in the league esp as giannis n jokic age
I dont think Zion fits with the Thunder. Thunder's biggest weakness is rebounding and Zion just doesnt rebound.
Pelicans trade for trae? After trading for dejounte? Tf you talking about?
can't watch right now, is maxi kleber at #1?
Please explain to me how a championship boosted Tatum over Lebron when he wasn't fmvp. Tatum had an average playoff run for a Superstar and only won because he had an elite team behind him. Kd and Lebron are both better basketball players than Tatum. Both Bron and Kd are way better offensive players, provide more for their team, are more impactful, and have a more difficult role on there team.
I'm starting to get really annoyed by these LeBron longevity takes, how unprecedented it is. Yeah, it is mad that this guy is still a top 15 player in the league (by any estimation). However, when looking at other sports, we've seen this kind of unprecedented longevity suddenly pop up in many sports (Tennis - Djokovic at Wimbledon this year, Federer making a Wimbledon final at 38 and winning one at 37, Nadal winning two slams at 36. Football - Tom Brady. Soccer - Luka Modric still being one of the best midfielders in the world at 38. F1 - Alonso still being one of the best drivers at 42. I could find other examples) Don't get me wrong, what these guys are achieving is ridiculous but it cannot be a coincidence that we're seeing this all happen in this era. Don't forget that Bron spends a million dollars a year on his body. It's why his longevity gets overblown quite a bit imo.
Dude Lebron is better than Tatum. Tatum was not even close to good enough offensively for me to give him the nod over lebron. There’s just levels to this and Lebron is an offensive genius.
lebrons weakness is he can sustain his play over the course of a full game let alone a full reg n post szn. he has to take off big stretches of the game. otherwise id prob agree w you although tatums defense > brons even at brons current best
@@taylor7264 I’m aware but Lebron is still just flat out the better basketball player. Tatum is way too inconsistent offensively and was flat out not good enough in this playoff run even though they won. I think Tatum is very fortunate to be on the Celtics because if he had more on his shoulders offensively the narrative around him would be completely different. He’s not a good enough number 1 offensively and bron is but yea Tatum is the way better defender.
@@aidanbogursky2581 boston was 18 points per 100 possessions better w tatum on the court in the postszn. in '20 he n jb took a a team that started theis n kemba's rotting knees to the ecf. he took bron to 7 in the ecf as a rookie w tro ,smart, jb, n al in the starting lineup. hes not bring carried. hes proved hes 1 of the best #1s in the league
for perspective in the wcf, lukas best series, the mavs were 10 points per 100 possessions better when luka was OFF the court
at brons best hes a better offensive #1 but are you rly a #1 if you can only do it for 15 min a game n for 70 games a reg szn+postszn combined??? i dont think so
brunson being better than tatum is laughable.
@@taylor7264 Dude he’s still not a good #1 option offensively. The Celtics were stacked and when he’s off the floor who’s his replacement? Sam Houser? I know he impacts the game in a lot of different ways but his offensive inconsistency especially this year was very concerning. If he didn’t have the supporting cast that he has now which btw is ridiculously good the narrative would be completely different like I said. Also not trying to argue which player is better but Tatum could not take on the load offensively and do nearly as good of a job as Brunson did for this Knicks team.
@@aidanbogursky2581 bro some1 has to be their #1 option offensively... when tatum sits its not hauser. if his other teammates where that good why couldnt they take over the #1 responsibilities as effectively?
swap tatum from brunson n the knicks are much better n celtics are much worse
I would take any of the top 4 over Tatum. His unreliability is PAINFUL.
He led the champs in points, rebounds and assists throughout the entirety of the playoffs. That the definition of reliability. You’re just talking about shooting %
@@SuperDunk1000 That isnt the definition of reliability. His efficiency was bad and he was shit in the clutch, they just won because the team is stacked and they played shit ass teams
@@1800LUNATIC again, you’re only talking about FG %
1st comment 💪🏾
You read the stats. In no way is KD worse than Tatum. More versatile scorer and a better defender than LeBron at this point in LeBron's career too, though I get putting LeBron over him because of playmaking.
If you put LeBron or KD on the Celtics, the Celtics are better than they are with Tatum. Tatum is painfully inconsistent. Sometimes he looks better than Giannis, others he settles for contested 3s and lays bricks. When you're talking about the best of the best, its the consistency that differentiates.
KD doesn’t shoot enough 3s….
Jt had the same ts% as Brunson but every1 is on Brunsons 🍆 n hates on jts efficiency. It’s bc those numbers are lower than what we expect from jt n we have relatively low expectations for Brunson
I wouldn't put Brunson in conversation for best player of his generation/the league and nor would anyone with any degree of rationality. I see delusional Tatum fans do that all the time. That's why he receives that hate, not bc people think he's bad (except for maybe a few losers)
@@AMINOMMA i dont put tatum in the best in the world convo at all. im just saying you cant praise jb for his ability to score the ball in these playoffs if youre also hating on tatum for his inefficiency bc they were the same. shoot lukas career post szn ts% is .570 tatums is .566. essentially the same but they get talked abt v v differently
remember 1. tatum is 26 n will continue to get better 2. theres a difference between best and greatest
Brunson's most common lineups had: Randle, Mitchell Robinson, Barrett, Grimes or Hartenstein, Hart, Divincenzo, and Anunoby
Tatum's by far most common lineup had: Holiday, Porzingis, Brown, and Derrick White
Which lineup provides more spacing, and better defense to increase transition opportunities?
And no one serious is saying Brunson is anything better than barely top 10.
Brunson did not have the level of spacing Tatum had. Tatum is in the most privileged offensive situation In The league. Brunson is a flat out better off-site engine and player than Tatum and it’s not close on that end of the floor. I believe Brunson is the better basketball player and most of has to do with the huge offensive gap.
@@samhorn3740 they had 4 shooters on the court at all times. not as good as 5 but spacing was good enough.
just like the convo the nerds had abt lauri...you dont have to have the ball in your hands to be an offensive engine. tatum weaponizes his gravity to get his team great looks even when his shot isnt falling - thats on ball as a ball handler and screener, as well as off ball as a screener or cutter. Cs were 18 points per 100 possessions better when he was on the court in playoffs. thats no coincidence. jt is the better engine. brunson MIGHT be a better 1v1 scorer. two v different things
n thats before we get to the defensive gap between them...
This whole “Duh-jun-tay” pronunciation needs to stopped lol
lebron is still better than Tatum
He is not
@@tyriantaylor711the Olympics are clear proof.. When it matters most lebron is still better. If lebron had Tatums roster it would be obvious but of course y’all are sheep regular season casuals. I got it.
@@Gypsywastelandtatums been their worst player too lmao
markannen 9...
3 spots below mobley lmao. Logan has to be the most reactionary "analyst" I've ever seen. There is absultely no way you could believe that Mobley is a better basketball player than Markkannen... let alone any of the guys in the top 10
@@1800LUNATIC Im the self claimed biggest cavs fan and yah, only way I can see any of Logan's 6-10 making sense is that he's clearly projecting in his list. He constantly says like he sees growth and potential spots to improve in for all those guys. Where as Carson is listing as of July 2024 what do we have from these guys.
The randle hate is absolutely laughable. No mention of the fact that he was playing through significant injuries in his bad playoff runs
“Randle hate” 🤣🤣
Accept reality buddy.. everyone can see it but Knicks fans
He’s old man, dude literally played with Kobe
@@natelavallee4034 had the best season of his career before the injury last year but ok
@justing4094 24 11 5 on good efficiency and knicks were bludgeoning teams after the OG trade before he got hurt. Yes he gets hated on way too hard
@@Nemesis56113 Randle is a poor decision maker, turnover prone, lackadaisical defensively and a consistent playoff dropper.
He isn’t a winning player until proven otherwise. Sorry
Lebrons still better than Tatum. If Lebron was on the Celtics he’d win finals mvp. Tatum plays mediocre superstar basketball as a primary shot creator. Bro is getting coddled for being the Andre iguodala of a team with 5 30 million dollar players
Durant > LeBron
Idk if KD himself believes that lol