i mean, CIG said when they announced the Carrack changes that the bays are supposed to come to the ground, but that they didn't have time to get it in this patch.
I went into why I think it's just going to be the lift part itself and not a ramp etc, but at end of day I just wish the walls would blow out between the modules when you have multiple put in together.
I grew up in a hotel in England and we had to by law have these massive fire extinguishers all over the place. As part of the hotel went back to the 17th century I.e. 1650s we had to put them on the floor as no way the walls would have held them.
Yup they removed 2 power supplies and 2 coolers from the 400i and made her way slower. nerf the heck out of the 400i. She know a worthless over price pile of crap
@@RedJay the 400i is supposed to be competator for the Connie and Corsiar. She has the same handling as them. Less firepower, less cargo, less power supplies, less coolers, she was supposed to have the best shields and speed. So all she had left was redunant component which were also taken. No other ship has been nerfed as badly as the 400i. I guess there one place she excel she the most use over price pile of junk in the game.
Never saw it coming, but it's just an amazing defensive ship. Edge geometry makes it all work, maneuverability is good enough, its carrying capacity is swell, and even the massive landing gears work in such places. Just wild.
@@RedJay I just sent this to "Game Ideas" so if you want to add your comment, check out "The 400i cargo lift". ;-) I also "Ask the Devs" why they didn't? ;-D
I hope once origin gets a new team they will take another look at the 400i, it has allot of potential but right now its in a bad place and the constant nerfs have turned it into a hanger queen. Hopefully they at least make it able to hold a G12 in the future. I think the G12 didn't exist when they first made this ship.
Nice job finding an actual use for the 890 aside from being a big dick waiving display of wealth. They're chuckin S10s at you because they know there's a wipe. Also, they are free until longer ship reclaim timers are in. Anyone with a Polaris and either a Perseus, Nautilus, Privateer or Javelin has at least two Polaris so reclaim timers are not a deterrent for them.
4.0 Live is going to be a wild place until reality sets in and you cannot just risk hundreds of thousands in Size 10 torps that just will not hit the target. As a Polaris owner myself I do enjoy the 890 Jump more for exploration work especially when solo - but of course Polaris will always have its needed roles where the repair, rearm, refuel bill will be worth the price of breaking it out.
I always loved the 400I but I thought it should have a gunship version too. with the top turret moved to cover 360 and maybe 2 more size 4s or something on it. maybe a bounty hunter interior instead of the kitchen area.
I just melted mine for a Starlancer Max. The 400i is my favorite ship lookswise and for a bounty hunter/stealth kinda guy that I am in games. I daydreamed learning behaviours of my victims before I infiltrate their shit. Kill the target or steal the expensive banana art... It's good for a solo player. I sold my dream for a coop experience and amenities I'd get with my friends who are not a safe bet that they'd even play the game... My heart is aching and I hope they make it a bit better!
I did the same thing, because CIG nerfed the components ... but I'm thinking of getting it back. I like the layout and especially the mapping table, also blading the 2 rear turrets to make them PDT's. The front bike space, should also be a shielded Cargo/bounty area ... to give the ship more options.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Exactly, the MAX is more of a barebones version. I like the layout of the TAC but I'm in no rush at the moment. Depending on my ORG or social situation (amount of friends in the game) when the game goes 1.0, I might revert to a fixed up 400i, or a Retaliator/Cutty + other ship (fighter or Herald) combo depending on the gameplay loop. I don't feel like getting a big ship + a fighter so this is my cap I believe. I'm aware the TAC and Connie's fix this exact issue on their own. There are so many options but, a lot depends on the state of the game sadly.
this is really sad to see the carrack so weak, I've always thought the carrack should have been equal or slightly better than the 890 in terms of armor. it seems like it would be the perfect mid size ship to explore pyro in
tried firing polaris torps and they were getting blown up before getting 10 feet away. Adding what they said about capital combat having to take down the sheild then target the turrets and pdcs before torping the bmm is going to be fine
4 SHOULD be enough especially if pilot of BMM avoids flying in a straight line and letting Polaris get in behind them assuming the 4 PDS are spread out across the ship. When we get an updated BMM exterior image I'll take a look at PDS placement - I am especially curious how the motion parts will impact the defense array.
@@TheXasTube yeah, I kind of agree. currently PDC cant be sub targeted. but with IAE I like to gather some insights before purchase. also I think the rearm repair refuel service will really impact the gameplay.
The carrack stuff is just quick fixes to make it usable at all. Proper functioning is probably postponed until proper modularity. The only purpose of the 400i touch-ups was to nerf it into the fucking ground. I would be very happy to be wrong about that, but I think it's just fucked until they start reworking Origin.
Wait, you don't fire size 10 warning shots!? Cant wait for the Idris, when size 10 energy blasts that don't cost any money are getting popped off like party poppers. I kinda see the Ironclad Assault as a Hammerhead for atmosphere and ground defense, think mobile AA battery. I'm on team Valkyrie needs modularity and Perseus needs a 3rd gun under the bridge and the rear gun should be behind the bridge with pdc's on the bottom.
Size 10 munitions that cannot be destroyed on their way to target will be wild. Valk is a niched down bird sadly, a true gunship would be better rounded. Most of bottom floor is tied up with all them drop seats. Modularity could help yes. On Ironclad Assault its help clear suprises up, drop off the Novas, Ballistas, and Cents then yes continue to support ground operations... then land and collect and rearm/refuel/repair the ground vehicles and get ground teams back on too.
I agree a Carrack should not stand against a Polaris. But a Carrack is not a threat to a Polaris and just can get 1 shot off the field by Polaris. Pair of PDCs would not be impossible to defeat but at least would avoid Carrack being 1 shot by a random flyby Polaris, after all CIG leads just spent a half hour detailing Time To Disable should be long enough to slow game down and feel better etc. but Polaris and hard kill, no disable, a Carrack in 5 seconds.
In my experience the PDS do whatever they want - being out of Pilot seat in SCM mode guarantees the voodoo they operate on works correctly and keeps me alive.
29:11 the "PIRATE" player, basically players that like to ruin other players fun time, also known as griefing. Open PvP is just a bad choice for this game, with ships that can't defend themselves in a fight. This works for Sea of Thieves cause everyone is the same but in Star Citizen the loud minority of griefers are going to drive everyone away by targeting just weak targets.
Reputation and costs that matter will help greatly. Live servers especially post 4.0 wipe will make the costs real somewhat - but honestly a hundred thousand UEC for a few Torps on a romp across a system chucking half a load of torps is not that much. The bigger problem is persistent player reputation showing who the idiots are from first second you see them - multiple ship and player kills of non-criminals shouid be weeks of real world time flashing red.
I got the 400i since it came out: Nothing has changed in lighting or texture: just some fire extinguisher thrown in the wrong places. Who is that stupid to put FE, in uninhabited rooms, where the fire will most probably start instead of outside the glass door? 🤦 Who put FE inside the cabins instead of the corridor in plain view for everyone? 🤦🤦🤦 Even the holomap table seems an afterthought, too big and wrongly shaped. The radar dish on the top still does nothing, while the Zeus Mk2 has a long range, bigger one. The front bike hangar is still broke, without a proper grid to hold anything and still barely able to hold a X1 which was intended from the begin. The rear turret is a design flaw that kills the vehicle access. Bug fixing is transitional and those bugs will come back inevitably: doors, glass walls, paint, seats... Nothing has really been fixed. What cig did is to take out the ship redundancies, now that S3 shields are half the HP it used too, making the ship slower and less maneuverable and much more vulnerable in exchange for nothing. The ship is nowadays a beautiful piece of crap, far off from what it used to, even in the old broken state. It is a Constellation sized ship with worse cargo and vehicle capabilities the a Cutlass!🤦♀️ Buy a Zeus Mk2 ES and you'll get a better ship in every respect for 75$ less.
I'm of the belief the 400i is one of those few ships that doesn't need a variant. It's a touring ship by nature, with some exploration baked into it. It's the kind of ship that is for safe space exploration to see the sights, very believable for a luxury brand. These types of ships are necessary for a believable universe. Just one man's opinion of course.
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Nice video. I think you're totally on point regarding cap ships and transports and sleepers.
Thank you! People will wake up to logistics being king in this game especially post player outposts
“Get Smart doors” man, that brings back memories 😂
Thanks for this, Red. Lots of important points being brought up here!
Glad to help!
i mean, CIG said when they announced the Carrack changes that the bays are supposed to come to the ground, but that they didn't have time to get it in this patch.
I went into why I think it's just going to be the lift part itself and not a ramp etc, but at end of day I just wish the walls would blow out between the modules when you have multiple put in together.
@@RedJay yep, i agree, if we're going to get modules one day, they could give us one big cargo module just to make it all a bit more rational
very informative,.. thanks for this video... no carrack for me unless they get PDCs also
Thank you, shame but that's the reality at the moment
I grew up in a hotel in England and we had to by law have these massive fire extinguishers all over the place. As part of the hotel went back to the 17th century I.e. 1650s we had to put them on the floor as no way the walls would have held them.
Never heard of that before, thanks for sharing your experience :)
Yup they removed 2 power supplies and 2 coolers from the 400i and made her way slower. nerf the heck out of the 400i. She know a worthless over price pile of crap
400i has been changed like every other ship, some have gotten the changes so far on modules some have not so far. Same deal with slowing down ships.
@@RedJay the 400i is supposed to be competator for the Connie and Corsiar. She has the same handling as them. Less firepower, less cargo, less power supplies, less coolers, she was supposed to have the best shields and speed. So all she had left was redunant component which were also taken. No other ship has been nerfed as badly as the 400i. I guess there one place she excel she the most use over price pile of junk in the game.
@@robert-73Far less cargo
@@robert-73 Hanger Queen? Probably the only use for it right now till they give it some love.
Interesting! We shall see soon about the 400i.
I shifted my fleet around. Bought a IAE Herald and bought back a LTI Hull B. $10.00 out of pocket. Hanging on to my IAE 10 yr Endeavor
Good moves for near and long term fun and with little spend no less, nice.
The 890 is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Perfect update to be in Pyro.
Never saw it coming, but it's just an amazing defensive ship. Edge geometry makes it all work, maneuverability is good enough, its carrying capacity is swell, and even the massive landing gears work in such places. Just wild.
@@RedJayNow with the Polaris they knew they had to do this to the 890 to balance playing field between the two.
Just had my 890 killed by an npc in an f7 ram. That's gonna ruin pyro.
Pushing back and x helps me slow down bigger ships faster.
I have a 400i, the RV of spacecraft. ;-)
I wish they would widen the cargo lift so it can carry various ground vehicles.
Absolutely - 400i would be far more popular with a better vehicle elevator especially with Outposts coming up next year.
@@RedJay I just sent this to "Game Ideas" so if you want to add your comment, check out "The 400i cargo lift". ;-)
I also "Ask the Devs" why they didn't? ;-D
I love the 400i just wish it could fit the g12 and life would be perfect
I personally would like the front bay to have grid points to place boxes, would love that
That would be a great addition
400i is a beast and it would be in my fleet still if the cargo bay had a bit more clearance.
That's its achillies heel for sure
The 890 jump was sold as exploration ship.
Well, it's exploring Pyro in style currently safer than a Carrack.
How does the 890J hold up to solar flares?
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503they removed them for now
I hope once origin gets a new team they will take another look at the 400i, it has allot of potential but right now its in a bad place and the constant nerfs have turned it into a hanger queen. Hopefully they at least make it able to hold a G12 in the future. I think the G12 didn't exist when they first made this ship.
Well said
Nice job finding an actual use for the 890 aside from being a big dick waiving display of wealth. They're chuckin S10s at you because they know there's a wipe. Also, they are free until longer ship reclaim timers are in. Anyone with a Polaris and either a Perseus, Nautilus, Privateer or Javelin has at least two Polaris so reclaim timers are not a deterrent for them.
4.0 Live is going to be a wild place until reality sets in and you cannot just risk hundreds of thousands in Size 10 torps that just will not hit the target. As a Polaris owner myself I do enjoy the 890 Jump more for exploration work especially when solo - but of course Polaris will always have its needed roles where the repair, rearm, refuel bill will be worth the price of breaking it out.
People also leave the 400i alone because it was shieldy and tanky af
Fair point
Shields and speed were its thing at first. It was great for XT running yellows…..before master modes took away its speed advantage.
I always loved the 400I but I thought it should have a gunship version too. with the top turret moved to cover 360 and maybe 2 more size 4s or something on it. maybe a bounty hunter interior instead of the kitchen area.
Absolutely and great point on having better coverage on that turret.
I just melted mine for a Starlancer Max.
The 400i is my favorite ship lookswise and for a bounty hunter/stealth kinda guy that I am in games. I daydreamed learning behaviours of my victims before I infiltrate their shit. Kill the target or steal the expensive banana art... It's good for a solo player.
I sold my dream for a coop experience and amenities I'd get with my friends who are not a safe bet that they'd even play the game...
My heart is aching and I hope they make it a bit better!
Well put and good planning on pros and cons of the ships. Hard to beat Starlancer MAX on multi-crew utility ship.
I did the same thing, because CIG nerfed the components ... but I'm thinking of getting it back.
I like the layout and especially the mapping table, also blading the 2 rear turrets to make them PDT's.
The front bike space, should also be a shielded Cargo/bounty area ... to give the ship more options.
Also melted a 400i for the lancer, probably won't buy it back since I have a 600iE anyway. Maybe I'll buy or even build one in game one day
That starlancer tac looks to be a good bh ship. It just lacks a holding cell.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Exactly, the MAX is more of a barebones version. I like the layout of the TAC but I'm in no rush at the moment.
Depending on my ORG or social situation (amount of friends in the game) when the game goes 1.0, I might revert to a fixed up 400i, or a Retaliator/Cutty + other ship (fighter or Herald) combo depending on the gameplay loop. I don't feel like getting a big ship + a fighter so this is my cap I believe.
I'm aware the TAC and Connie's fix this exact issue on their own.
There are so many options but, a lot depends on the state of the game sadly.
this is really sad to see the carrack so weak, I've always thought the carrack should have been equal or slightly better than the 890 in terms of armor. it seems like it would be the perfect mid size ship to explore pyro in
There is still time for CIG to fix this, but I am doubtful it will get done pre-4.0 Live launching
would you say BMM is also a fodder for Polaris? since there are so many Polaris out there. or is the 4 pdc on the BMM is enough?
tried firing polaris torps and they were getting blown up before getting 10 feet away. Adding what they said about capital combat having to take down the sheild then target the turrets and pdcs before torping the bmm is going to be fine
4 SHOULD be enough especially if pilot of BMM avoids flying in a straight line and letting Polaris get in behind them assuming the 4 PDS are spread out across the ship. When we get an updated BMM exterior image I'll take a look at PDS placement - I am especially curious how the motion parts will impact the defense array.
With the time the BMM release is still out I wouldn't waste my time theorycrafting around any current stats/iterations.
@@RedJay EPIC 890 jump escape video!!! as a lawful citizen, I'm okay with staying in stanton.
@@TheXasTube yeah, I kind of agree. currently PDC cant be sub targeted.
but with IAE I like to gather some insights before purchase. also I think the rearm repair refuel service will really impact the gameplay.
Not only the 400i is being nerfed but is also filled with bugs useless.
Life support will limit how many people you can have on a ship for how long.
Very true!
how is the repair rearm and refuel cost for 4.0? is it up for all ships or just the Polaris?
But does the Carrack have working storage lockers along with these updates?
The carrack stuff is just quick fixes to make it usable at all. Proper functioning is probably postponed until proper modularity.
The only purpose of the 400i touch-ups was to nerf it into the fucking ground. I would be very happy to be wrong about that, but I think it's just fucked until they start reworking Origin.
Wait, you don't fire size 10 warning shots!? Cant wait for the Idris, when size 10 energy blasts that don't cost any money are getting popped off like party poppers.
I kinda see the Ironclad Assault as a Hammerhead for atmosphere and ground defense, think mobile AA battery.
I'm on team Valkyrie needs modularity and Perseus needs a 3rd gun under the bridge and the rear gun should be behind the bridge with pdc's on the bottom.
Size 10 munitions that cannot be destroyed on their way to target will be wild. Valk is a niched down bird sadly, a true gunship would be better rounded. Most of bottom floor is tied up with all them drop seats. Modularity could help yes.
On Ironclad Assault its help clear suprises up, drop off the Novas, Ballistas, and Cents then yes continue to support ground operations... then land and collect and rearm/refuel/repair the ground vehicles and get ground teams back on too.
Last time I tried the bed drawers on the 400i on EPTU they still weren‘t working…
I tested beds, seats, and ship services/animations did not test the storage in the bedrooms.
CIG has done nothing but worsen the 400i. I used to love it. Now, I want nothing to do with it.
It's sad there was never any variants to flesh out its potential
I mean the carrack isn't supposed to be able to stand up to a Polaris...
I agree a Carrack should not stand against a Polaris. But a Carrack is not a threat to a Polaris and just can get 1 shot off the field by Polaris. Pair of PDCs would not be impossible to defeat but at least would avoid Carrack being 1 shot by a random flyby Polaris, after all CIG leads just spent a half hour detailing Time To Disable should be long enough to slow game down and feel better etc. but Polaris and hard kill, no disable, a Carrack in 5 seconds.
I thought you needed power to weapons for PDS to fire?
In my experience the PDS do whatever they want - being out of Pilot seat in SCM mode guarantees the voodoo they operate on works correctly and keeps me alive.
They did that with the carrack so u can't put vehicles in there lmao
Could put in half walls between cargo modules to avoid vehicles driving through but make cargo work less painful.
29:11 the "PIRATE" player, basically players that like to ruin other players fun time, also known as griefing. Open PvP is just a bad choice for this game, with ships that can't defend themselves in a fight. This works for Sea of Thieves cause everyone is the same but in Star Citizen the loud minority of griefers are going to drive everyone away by targeting just weak targets.
Reputation and costs that matter will help greatly. Live servers especially post 4.0 wipe will make the costs real somewhat - but honestly a hundred thousand UEC for a few Torps on a romp across a system chucking half a load of torps is not that much. The bigger problem is persistent player reputation showing who the idiots are from first second you see them - multiple ship and player kills of non-criminals shouid be weeks of real world time flashing red.
People are not going to leave the Polaris for an 890 jump.
Polaris has its limitations. Try popping some Novas and Balista in the Polaris.
I got the 400i since it came out: Nothing has changed in lighting or texture: just some fire extinguisher thrown in the wrong places. Who is that stupid to put FE, in uninhabited rooms, where the fire will most probably start instead of outside the glass door? 🤦
Who put FE inside the cabins instead of the corridor in plain view for everyone? 🤦🤦🤦
Even the holomap table seems an afterthought, too big and wrongly shaped.
The radar dish on the top still does nothing, while the Zeus Mk2 has a long range, bigger one. The front bike hangar is still broke, without a proper grid to hold anything and still barely able to hold a X1 which was intended from the begin.
The rear turret is a design flaw that kills the vehicle access.
Bug fixing is transitional and those bugs will come back inevitably: doors, glass walls, paint, seats... Nothing has really been fixed.
What cig did is to take out the ship redundancies, now that S3 shields are half the HP it used too, making the ship slower and less maneuverable and much more vulnerable in exchange for nothing.
The ship is nowadays a beautiful piece of crap, far off from what it used to, even in the old broken state. It is a Constellation sized ship with worse cargo and vehicle capabilities the a Cutlass!🤦♀️
Buy a Zeus Mk2 ES and you'll get a better ship in every respect for 75$ less.
I'm of the belief the 400i is one of those few ships that doesn't need a variant. It's a touring ship by nature, with some exploration baked into it. It's the kind of ship that is for safe space exploration to see the sights, very believable for a luxury brand. These types of ships are necessary for a believable universe. Just one man's opinion of course.
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