Motorola Defy Satellite Link Review (Real World Test)
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Is the Motorola Defy Satellite Link better than the Garmin inReach? Well, it's definitely cheaper and smallers, but does it perform? In this video I'll cover how the new Motorola Defy Satellite Link works based on my time hiking with it, share how it performed, and compare it to the Garmin inReach and ZOLEO units.
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00:00 What is it?
01:35 Form Factor
02:37 Important Setup
04:16 Costs
06:12 Coverage
06:54 Messaging
09:19 Performance
12:00 Battery
13:05 SOS
14:58 Recommendations
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Introducing the Motorola Defy Satellite Link, a game-changing smartphone designed to enhance your outdoor adventures. With its advanced satellite communication capabilities, the Defy Satellite Link keeps you connected even in the most remote locations. Whether you're trekking through dense forests or exploring rugged mountains, this durable device ensures reliable connectivity through its innovative satellite link technology.
One of the standout features of the Motorola Defy Satellite Link is its ability to seamlessly switch between traditional cellular networks and satellite networks. This unique functionality guarantees that you stay connected, no matter where you are. By leveraging satellite communication, this satellite communicator eliminates the limitations imposed by traditional cellular coverage, making it an ideal companion for hikers, campers, and outdoor enthusiasts.
Beyond its satellite connectivity, the Motorola Defy Satellite Link boasts a range of other features tailored to adventurous individuals. Its rugged design ensures it can withstand extreme conditions, including water submersion and dust exposure.
5 April 2024 Update from Bullit:
We would like to confirm that the the Bullitt Satellite Messenger service is live and fully operational. Since being acquired in February 2024 by RCD 2023 Limited (a UK registered company), the service has continued without interruption and continues to be the world’s leading direct to device NTN messaging service.
As part of our investment, RCD is very pleased to confirm that it will honour the service agreements and data plans for the thousands of existing subscribers who signed up to the Bullitt Satellite Messenger service prior to April 3rd 2024. From April 3rd 2024, the following price plans will be immediately available to all new subscribers with others to follow:
SOS satellite assist only - $4.99 per month
Everyday messaging (up to 80 messages per month) - $9.99 per month*
Premium messaging (up to 300 messages per month) - $29.99 per month*
Freedom (unto 250 messages per year) - $59.99 as one off annual payment*
*All messaging plans include SOS Satellite assist. Further information on data plans can be found on the bullitt.com website. For more information in other currencies please see website.
The following devices are and remain compatible with the Bullitt Satellite Messenger service:
Cat S75
motorola defy satellite link
Ulefone Armour 23.
We are pleased to announce that we are also working closely with a number of other device manufacturers to add NTN messaging capability to their product portfolios through 2024 and beyond.
Please note that RCD is not a device manufacturer and our customer support centre is only able to help with enquires regarding the SOS or satellite messaging service. Please also note that the promotional offer of 12 months free of charge SOS assist and basic messaging previously offered when purchasing a Cat S75 or motorola defy satellite link expired on 30th December 2023. Anyone purchasing an NTN satellite compatible device from April 3rd will require a data plan to enjoy satellite connectivity.
Aside from the continued support for existing customers, RCD has committed to make significant investment to add new features and capabilities to the service and platform over the coming months ensuring that Bullitt Satellite Messenger sets the gold standard for Mission and Business critical NTN comms.
We are in the final stages of testing for a new tracking feature and portal and this update will be released in the coming weeks. As early as June, we will be launching Bullitt Satellite Messenger for Business providing SME’s and channel resellers the ability to manage their services, accounts and billing all in one place via the Bullitt For Business Portal. We will also be Launching Bullitt Satellite For Enterprise an SDK and NTN Connectivity platform enabling developers and Enterprises to add NTN connectivity to an existing application or solution to support both mission critical comms and NTN NBIoT.
There will be lots more updates on our website over the next few weeks.
Bought the Defy recently for a canoe/camping trip through the Quetico Provincial Park in Canada. Was planning to just use for letting my wife know where we were every couple of days. First night and 21 miles in, we got a message that one of our group's wives had to have emergency eye surgery. Over the next 2 days paddling out, every time I used the device it worked flawlessly. It was invaluable in getting us picked up by the outfitter within an hour of reaching our destination, thanks to my wife coordinating our messaging.
Another member had an In-Reach device. His connectivity was VERY sporadic and non-existent in places where the Defy connected. Just wanted to confirm your message about the device on cost, effectiveness, and ease of use. Great product!!
That's great to hear and exactly why I recommend these things. Glad to hear that everyone was safe and solid.
I own one. The SOS button isn't an issue. You have to hold the button down for five seconds for it to work. Great video
Old Story: 1986 we went backpacking in the Gates of the Arctic National Park
Our equivalent:
3 letters I gave to the Bush Pilot
a) one to park superintendent
b) one to my mom
c) one for the bush pilot
We back packed 60 miles in 8 days
No trails
Map and compass (1:250,000 scale)
No cell phones
No Sat phones
No GPS
No weather report
At a critical juncture, we took 3 compass readings off 3 peaks (there were near the same height so we could not figure out which one was which)
All 3 readings matched.
And I am here posting to YT.
Survivor bias ;)
Just tested mine for real: a 2+ hour drive through tree-lined Virginia rural roads to a secluded National Forest hiking trail in WV. The unit never lost satellite signal the entire time, despite never really having a clear view of sky and driving at 55 MPH most of the time.
Messages sent to my contact person were check-marked as “sent” in 10-15 seconds. Even under tree cover on the hike, had satellite signal even thought stored inside the top pouch on the backpack. This was pretty much the two main situations I wanted this for, and it functioned exactly as hoped. Very pleased with the purchase. The price is right for the unit and the subscription.
That's great to hear, thank you for posting that. I've had the same experience all over Southern CA. Even in the car, when it's sitting in my center console, it's been working.
I tried it in my center console first, but had issues connecting. Maybe it was just the specific location I was in (freeways heading East in NW New York State). But had better chance of connection to a satellite when on the dashboard. Will have to try again.
had mine for a week in Spain and all seems to be working well. I agree with the comments about a cover for the 🆘 although you do have to press it for 4-5 seconds before it activates. This review is excellent 👌👌
Another great review, thanks! Nice to see all of this competition. Look forward to your Mesenger App review.
Great overview of the Defy - I picked one up from REI a few weeks back - did its first real test doing offroad adventure motorcycling in PNW recently - clipped it to my chest protector. Check-in function was valuable in keeping espousa happy that I was ok and where I was on the forest service roads. Tremendous safety value and the pricing is a no-brainer.
This is my issue. I ride all the forests around here and my previous GPS messenger wouldn't work most of the time.
How did you connect it to Bluetooth mine won't connect at all
I appreciate your thoroughness on this topic in particular. Big thank you and your reviews really give a confidence that has become a rare commodity. 🌿
Thanks for the detailed review Cris, liked and subbed.
I purchased a Motorola Defy from REI using your link on July 12, 2023. Hope you got credit for it. Really appreciate your work. Thanks.
Thank you!
If you really need a reliable life saving device, consider getting a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon). These send an emergency signal to a satellite in orbit and notify the Coast Guard or other US resources when hiking with your exact position. They are nearly 100% reliable. There are no monthly fees - just the cost of the PLB.
some good choices: th-cam.com/video/yi71WF_7aCA/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/raYCWJHleGM/w-d-xo.html
Cost of device??? PLB
If using a PLB and you activate it, make sure to leave it on. The battery will last plenty of time. SAR teams can only find you when it is still on. The signal will bounce.
@@alexpadillayt Evil TH-cam deletes anything with links or prices without notifying the poster (shadow banning). They're not expensive and are available online and in boat stores.
@@alexpadillayt but it's likely between t wohundred and 5. US
Depends, of course, on features and if you're willing to get one used. They get upgraded often enough in some industries that there's a decent supply.
Really good review, brilliant down to earth presentation, thank you
I appreciated all the details. Great video. Thank you
I can camping several locations where cell service is only an ocean, so this sounds like a really good thing. Thank you for the information.
Thanks for the review, for mountain biking on my own, I'm tempted to get one as you do not always get reception on my phone in the Scottish highlands. By the look of the map, the EU and America are covered. This is more than I need for local cycling, but is something to be aware of incase you live in a country not covered and/or are travelling.
Wow these satellites are only “500 feet above the earths surface” better duck! Keep up the great videos I get allot out of these
haha i had a chuckle too
I had visions of “Independence Day.” 😂
Excellent review! Thank you! BTW- U may wish to check on the location of SAT: 500 ft. Altitude seems a bit low! 😆 It's all good. Great vid! Thank you!
Super informative, thank you.
Cris, I appreciate your reviews. They are some of the best. I've used just about every version of the SPOT unit, currently using the Gen 3 model. It works great at a fraction of the cost of a Garmin InReach. I'm typically day hiking and I turn the tracking on from the time I leave my house until I return. If something happens and I'm not able to press a button, my emergency contacts will still know exactly where I'm at, down to a ten foot circle. That is the most valuable aspect of a satellite messenger. If you turn the unit off the save batteries, it has absolutely no value if you are unconscious. Ian O'Brien has been missing for over two weeks. He turned his Garmin InReach on from the top of Hesperus Mountain near Durango, Colorado and sent his location to his girlfriend. Then he turned the unit off and nobody has seen him since. Beyond tragic. The search for him could have been completely eliminated if he had left the tracking on and had sufficient battery power. Bring extra batteries, extra USB charging capability, whatever is required for twice or three times the length of time you plan to be out. Use the tracking feature and avoid turning the unit off until you are back home. If you are using it backpacking, only turn the unit off at your campsite and turn the tracking back on in the morning. If search and rescue gets a call, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FIND YOU, THEY SIMPLY NEED TO REACH YOU. That could be the difference between getting emergency help in time versus finding your carcass ten years later, if ever. wildnaturemedia.com/10essentialsplus
I would also carry a personal locator beacon, which is a very different device than the communicators. When I carry, which is made by ACR as a full 5 W of power. This could make the difference of getting out of a deep canyon or if you’re under a snow covered tree canopy. The size or being no monthly fee. There’s also three separate satellite networks which is going to increase your coverage in the coverage is worldwide. these devices are made specifically for search and rescue in most of the worlds governments subscribe to the system so when you push the button, you know the cavalry is coming. They have limited messaging but their primary purpose is not a communication device as far as messaging is to alert the authorities and call for help and a life and death situation. If you could carry both, that’s the best deal. If your truly worried about summoning help in a life and death situation do you wanna carry the personal locator beacon it’s your best chance.
Also, the battery on a personal locator beacon will last five years there’s no forgetting to recharge it or it going dead on you. It’s built-in and sealed.
There are definitely advantages to having a PLB with you. The only downside, and I think worth serious consideration, is the fact the PLB requires you to be conscious to press a button. But the long battery life, no monthly fee, and stronger signal are all worth considering. For multi-day adventures, the benefits are strong as you don't have to worry about running out of battery power. For my use, typically just out for the day in mountain lion country, the SPOT unit is perfect for my needs. I can leave the unit on with the tracking turned on for several days without running out of power. Just in case, I carry two extra sets of 4 AAA Energizer Lithium batteries, giving me nearly a month of power.
@@WildNatureMedia that’s a good point about the tracking and needing to be conscious. My thoughts are to own both if you can because there have been Deaths from people who have used the spot and activated the SOS feature and spot did not send rescue. Spot uses a private company and they have decided at times that the SOS was not a real activation and not sent rescue and people have died. That cannot happen with the PLB they are on the worldwide quasi government network that uses the three satellite constellations. If there is an activation, rescue is going to be dispatched with the PLB every time. So if you can have both for sure, that’s the best thing, but there are serious concerns with something like the spot. forgetting to charge it batteries going dead and the biggest one is they not part of this specific search and rescue net work. Also, the Garmin in reach or the other models are not part of that net work either it must be a true PLB to be on that network. There are other brands besides ACR that make beacons. But that’s a great thought you made. I’m not trying to distract from that. I might purchase one of those devices as well because there’s a definite benefit to being able to keep in contact with Friends And Family and check in and like you said the breadcrumb Trail feature could be a lifesaver.
Update on Ian O'Brien. He was never found. Hundreds of people spent thousands of hours looking for him. Nothing. IF he had left the tracking on with his Garmin InReach AND had emergency contacts monitoring his hike, the entire search could have been avoided. Turning off this Garmin InReach to save batteries may have cost him his life as he had epilepsy and only had two days of seizure medication.
Looks great. I have a Zoleo for backwoods hunting and love it. It is amazing to sit out on a clear night with the stars and watch the satellite go over that you are communicating with. Incredible technology for something less than the size of a deck of cards. The Defy unit does look a fair bit smaller than the Zoleo.
We were in the sticks on a hunting trip. About thirty miles in off the pavement. My wife got all my check in s. Great tool
Great review!
Thank you so much for the review! I have 1 and really enjoy it. One thing I would add is no activation fee.
Very impressive presentation 👍
Im completely sold on my Zoleo. Flawless performance
Really good video, thanks
Thanks for your review. I know I need to add something like this to my gear but the $400 for the Garmin just seems too high for this kind of device. Being a Garmin, I am sure it is a fine piece of equipment and worth the money but for my use, I believe this Motorola should work just fine. Thank you for showing this to me.
I'm still watching the video, but I wanted to thank you for the dramatic improvement in audio. I no longer have to nearly double the volume setting for a Hiking Guy video over others. Much appreciated, Cris!
Thank you that was extremely helpful. I spent the last couple of days trying to pour over videos and websites doing research on the subject and this has been by far the most helpful information and comprehensive information I have found.
One thing I haven’t figured out yet is if it is possible to switch this unit to be used by a different phone in the back country should the need arise. It seems that it is linked by the phone number so I am guessing that might not be possible But still very curious. Even if it is it it’s probably a good deal and I am considering purchasing one for myself as well as my hiking buddy but still trying to figure that out.
Also thanks for that last bit of information about the iPhone 14 having some kind of satellite-based SOS if I understood correctly .
Great video, no BS !!
Carrying a pocket solar panel with would be a good thing too. Great video 👍🏻☕️
I’m sold I’m getting a defy because of you. Have to laugh at the 500ft height for the low orbit sats
Thank you for your great review!
WOHAAAAAAHOAOA!!!!! Massive massive thank you!!! Your support is incredible!
Generous 👍🏼👍🏼
Very good review. This is an interesting device.
Comprehensive review !
Thanks for the great review! My experience has been very positive as well, particularly with the speed of sending/receiving messages. I switched from using an inReach because (1) i didn't need world-wide coverage, (2) i experienced significant delays/unsent messages with the inReach, and (3) the inReach subscriptions are more costly.
Seems like a legitimate option for safety
Appreciate the review! Seems like more competition in the product space, which is good for the hiker
Yea & I have a feeling that in the next couple of years this tech will be in more cell phones too. Things are finally going to get a bit more competitive.
Amazing video!
I’ve been using the Defy in the Rocky Mountain backcountry over a year now. It gets a signal 99% of the places I’ve gone. The only spot it didn’t was down at the bottom of a waterfall in a steep sided creek. I would bet everything else would have a problem there too. So don’t get stuck at the bottom of a waterfall. Keeps the wife happy letting her know I’m back at the car even without cell service. You have to put the Bullitt app on her phone and make sure it works before you go.
Good to hear. I've had the same experience over the last few months. Overall nothing is 100%, even if Iridium has 100% coverage, it doesn't equate to 100% connection.
Some furter detail from Bullit:
( & yes I know I say feet at 9:30, it's MILES)
Are there any fees to pause and restart the service? → Most of the plans are for 12-month periods, so within that timeframe you are committed. The Freedom plan is best for those that want it only for a season, as this is contracted on a rolling monthly basis.
What is the transmit power of the unit? → 23dBm
Is there a warranty? → Yes please see motorolarugged.com/download/warranty-statement/Motorola%20Rugged%20Limited%20Warranty%20Statement.pdf
If I message from Defy to Defy and one unit is off, will the unit that's off or out of sat range receive the message when a connection is reestablished? → The device will continue to receive messages while connected to the satellite. These will be shown in the Bullitt Satellite Messenger app the next time you connect to your phone. The check in LED will flash green once every 10 seconds to indicate that a message has been received in unpaired mode. The device will continue to receive messages in unpaired mode until message buffer is full, indicated by the power LED flashing orange. Please connect to the Bullitt Satellite Messenger app to allow the messages to be transferred to your phone.
The old #POCKETDIALER1000
furter?
Thank you for the excellent review. Yours is the first review I've checked. I had just learned about the device a few minutes earlier. I currently use a Gen 1 SPOT. With the Defy Satellite Link using the same SOS provider as SPOT, I'm wondering if the same or similar SAR insurance services are offered. I believe decent SAR insurance is an important factor in the overall cost calculation.
Never mind. I just did a little more searching and found the SAR plan is $35 annually.
Defy can increase its subscription and probably will, since its still developing & adding features.
We need Star Link built-in to a phone.
Cris FYI beginning about 9:30 you said "feet" when you meant "miles" when discussing the distance of the satellites from the earth. The graphic, however, has the correct measurements. Just a slip of the tongue I presume. Thanks for the review.
Really useful review which I've just seen 6 months after posting. Thanks for the potential update news on it to such as breadcrumb trail. Will also need to check offshore coverage around the UK coastline and also compare sending to emails or to mobile numbers from the other devices in the market place and which can send without recipient having to download an app?
Check this out: th-cam.com/video/umrd8AV9Gh4/w-d-xo.html
Great information Cris. Where do you keep track of updates coming from Motorola?
Rick
Hey Rick - thank you and for the app, I just periodically check in on my App Store for updates. Otherwise I haven't find a blog or good source to sub to.
The naked SOS button is a major flaw. I've had a SPOT go off after I set down my backpack and it touched off the SOS feature. I just happened to notice the SOS screen. I was in cell phone range and was able to call off the Calvary.
Another note is on these additional 'rescue plans.' I had one through Spot Tracker when I had a horrendous accident and was air lifted. When I was able to follow up on a claim, they were denied. I even had a lawyer go over the plan I paid for and pretty much said that it wasn't worth pursuing (and junk in the first place).
And a question for Cris- how quickly does the unit charge? How much juice does it take to charge out of a batter bank? Great video, thanks!
Thank you so very much for taking the time to review the Motorola Defy Satellite Link. I had been long awaiting everyone over at Motorola to release this SOS, GPS, Satellite device for about 8 - 10 years now. I'm beyond speechless to have yourself take the time to do a review on our device. Thank you again! From all of us at Motorola Communications Inc. Myself incuded. Your awesome!!! Thank you again.
Ah that's awesome to hear, thank you! I'm so happy that a new device came out to rival inReach, and am excited to see more. If you have any devices you want me to check out, happy to do it!
@@bluenetmarketing funny you mention that, actually working on that one now!
Are you in engineering
@@bobtosi9346 tech
Just picked this up for Cyber Monday sale at my local REI for $99. I think it's going to be a great safety device you hope you never really need, but will be glad to have it if you do.
I bought my daughter one, as she's moving 6 hours away and the cell service is absmal (it's rural will hilly terrain) etc. I hope this will provide her a little extra security.
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i remember my Motorola Defy, my first android phone, i think way back 2011.
Thanks for this! I have an ACR PLB right now but that cant send messages.. just used as a total shit show emergency help thing. This probably will be added to the truck gear!
Thanks for the informative video. You made several great points that let people know not to confuse this thing with a personal locator beacon. Those are very different devices the one I carry, which is made by ACR not only has a full 5 W of power, but there are three different satellite constellations there’s one that’s geostationary. There’s others that move and I don’t know what the third one is but you’re going to get a signal almost always worldwide. There’s no monthly fee plus this was built truly for search and rescue the system is used by most of the worlds governments so if you said that thing off, you know the cavalry is coming. It may be eight hours. It may be 24 hours but someone’s coming for you of course with those devices you can’t message back-and-forth. You can send checking messages but they’re definitely not communicators. The ideal thing is to have both but if you’re truly worried about survival, do you want to go with a personal locator beacon.
Game changer for SAR devices!
Oh i loved my defy smartphone 8 to 10 years
This is an amazing life saving product
Hi Chris, great thorough video as always. Keep question about the possibility of future breadcrumbs tracking. Would that be a feature that Bullit needs to provide through its plans, or Motorola through possibly a new device, or both? Sorry if that’s elementary but that’s an important feature for me and if a new device is likely to be had, I will probably wait. This for your guidance.
No, good question - it would be something that Bullit implements - will post as soon as I hear anything about it.
Honestly, Motorola has produced something that will help the hikers a great deal. Great use of Mediatek chips as well.
A great thorough review! I was curious, and hope I didn't miss it in the video: Will the SOS button work if your phone is damaged/dead/missing? Could you still press SOS and get help (assuming the LED shows that you are connected to a satellite)?
Yes SOS and check-in work without a phone
@Motorola defy amazing item. My co worker loves it.
I use a “spot” I love it because it allows me for gps tracking. I want a satellite gps tracker, in addition to emergency communications.
I thought about getting one but my luck I will let the battery die & probably loose it. That’s why I got a iPhone 14 for that pease of mind & I’m hoping there will be upgrades for it. There’s a lot of canyon roads without cell service where I live & just the other day in the paper they’re planning to put cell service in the most traveled canyon roads.
I just finished an 80 mile hike at the AT in North Carolina (Deep Gap to Fontana). I have a Defy. No cell coverage for a lot of the trail. I am returning it to REI as I ran into several of the issues already noted concerning the Defy. In my case, first, there were many times that it just could not communicate with a satellite. That by itself was enough of a reason to return it. Usually it was in the Gaps but no always. I could see sky above so it should have been able to communicate. In one case it was several hours of non access (no matter what I tried, including point it south, turning off and on, disconnecting/reconnecting). That by itself was unacceptable. Second, I ran out of text allowance. At that point I could not communicate with my wife (and I was solo and no cell coverage). Another non-starter. As for the text allowance issue, I was able to upgrade when in cell range, but I still could not send as I continued to get the 'out of data allowance'. My plan showed the upgrade but apparently it was not effective yet? I need something that just plain works all the time (yes, I realize none will be 100%, but less than 50%, no).
Thanks!
WHOA big big thank you!!!!
Very interesting option. 2 concerns, the uncovered SOS button (as you mentioned) and what looks like limited weatherproofing.
Two v-e-r-y "legitimate "concerns"
As Cris said, the Defy is IP68 rated, so it's more than weatherproof. Motorola lists a fair amount of specs on their site. I'd add the link, but comments with links are apparently blocked.
I agree that the lack of a guard over the SOS button was an oversight. The shape of the case lends itself to a DIY solution; possibly a U-shaped clip that bridges the case over the button.
Mini 2 - IPX7, Defy - IP68 - IPx7 enclosures are specifically rated for a submersion duration of 30 minutes, IP68 enclosures can be rated for any length of submersion greater than that
Both MIL SPEC 810H
Seems as solid as any Garmin from this end but I didn't try to crush it or anything
the button needs to be held down for 5 seconds for it to send an SOS, and then you can cancel it as well. That said, it's recessed and I never have any fear of accidentally pressing and holding it down for 5 seconds, that seems very unlikely. I also have mine mounted right on my shoulder strap.
@@Hikingguy "MIL SPEC 810H" in a commercial product means nothing, it's just a (misleading) marketing term. Similarly to describing something as "aircraft aluminum," having no specification, it's pretty meaningless because MIL-STD-810H "does not impose design or test specifications." (direct quote from the document)
Hate to quote wikipedia but it sums it up nicely, "U.S. MIL-STD-810 is a flexible standard that allows users to tailor test methods to fit the application. As a result, a vendor's claims of "...compliance to U.S. MIL-STD-810..." can be misleading, because no commercial organization or agency certifies compliance, commercial vendors can create the test methods or approaches to fit their product."
Cris, thank you so much for this review. It's what I've been waiting on. I war REALLY looking forward to this device, but I did lose some interest when it was shown to use Inmarsat instead of Iridium (I've heard some less than wonderful things about Inmarsat). However, your plan of using the Defy and having redundancy makes a lot of sense. I'm probably going to do the same thing. I do have one question, let's say my main phone (the one linked to my Inreach and Defy) falls off a cliff while I'm on a hike. If I have a spare phone (which I carry in my pack and it's loaded with up-to-date AllTrails maps and GaiaGPS), can I pair it to the Defy while I'm in the backcountry (i.e. I have no cellular signal) by just going through the bluetooth pairing procedure or am I pretty much screwed until I get back to civilization?
I wouldn't sweat the Inmrasat thing too much - it's actually run through www.skylo.tech and I think they are just a consolidator / reseller. I was skeptical but the latency with messaging was consistently great.
&& Yes, you can have multiple phones with the Bullit app logged in under one account, just pair it with the unit using Bluetooth at home first and turn the phone off. Then use it with the first phone. It should work but I'd confirm at home using airplane mode.
I just got one of these - thanks for the great video. Definitely answered a lot of questions. One thing I haven't figured out is how do you determine how many messages you have sent so far in a month? Toward the plan allotment that is.
In the left slide out menu there's a little usage gauge that shows % not actual messages
Actual numbers would be much better. I'd like it to say "22/30" for instance.
good stuff! will it work in South America, Australia and Africa?
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This sounds like the perfect solution for me. Do you know when Canada will be supported, I have not seen anything on the Motorola web site.
To do a defydefy comm, will the receiver need to do a checkin to initiate a receive of a message that I sent ?
Waiting for Canada get these. For some reason Canada get shut out alot.
Great review. I do think it's a bit generous regarding the link issue. I've held off purchasing a satcomm device until now and just got a chance to test mine today. Here in southwestern CO, if the south(-west?) sky is even moderately obstructed by terrain, my device loses its link. By "moderate" I mean I'm not craning my neck to see the south sky. As a cheap 2-way comms device, which is my primary use case, it works well enough. But I would have a pretty hard time recommending this as an SOS device to anyone who visits more rugged terrain. Hopefully they expand to LEO satellites.
Not seeing the same issues here in SoCal. Connection isn't 100% but def north of 90% for me.
It’s not so much the height of the satellite as it is the line of sight. All else being equal, the higher it is, the broader the terrestrial coverage should be and the less sensitive the device should be about the angle of satellite visibility.
Iridium uses multiple satellites that move relative to a fixed ground position, at least one of which is always ‘visible’ (and sometimes two that overlap, at least in the U.S.; there’s cool phone app called Satfinder that tells you where they are relative to your position). If the system Defy uses only has one satellite that is geostationary, connectivity may be more of an issue under partial tree coverage, in canyons, or alongside cliffs. Of course the same can also be said for Iridium at any point in time, but there may be more than one and they move so coverage will change (for better or worse) in a relatively short amount of time.
I personally want to do some research into satellite coverage before thinking about replacing my inReach with the Defy (as well as getting the breadcrumb feature). That said, there’s a lot to like about this device. Thanks for the great review!
@@boblindsay6815 Sure--but I think we're saying the same thing. If the satellites are "low in the sky" as they are at CO latitudes, then LOS is more likely to be obstructed by terrain. Having used the Defy extensively since my earlier comment, I can say that coverage is poor in the mountains here as a result. I've also experienced numerous issues with messages not being sent or received, even with a link, due to the app updating on either (the sending or receiving) device. I'm keeping mine for the times it works, but I still can't recommend it as an SOS device in rugged terrain outside of middle latitudes.
My #1 issue is usage on forest roads and trails (motorcycling in Gifford and Oly forests). One commenter said they had luck. Have an experience with tree lined roads and a narrow view of sky above?
Couple things. I have always heard and read for years that the Iridium network is the undisputed king for emergency satellite communication. As for the difference in speeds of sending and receiving texts. I would wager that it is as simple as the huge difference in size and use of the network. Meaning Iridium probably has tens of thousands of subscribers (if not more) which might make it a bit slower.
One thing I like about that is because it will take the place of a cell site when it goes down. And what that will do is make sure that the satellite can basically utilize your phone but basically what I'm getting at is this it my cell phone to be used as a satellite phone then I could forget the Wi-Fi it'll just run right off the satellite. I could even use the same phone to take it from how to get use on a cell site to a satellite network if I had one of those. And what more appealing about the Motorola defy link is very simple it can be used on any Motorola phone!
There are two phones being released this fall I belive that will have this tech included - I'll do my best to review - and you can also use this paired with any Android 10 or iPhone - you don't specificially need a Motorola phone in case there was any confusion.
Now this sounds interesting. I wonder what would happen if you mounted it on the top of your shoulderstrap, so it basically points upward. Will that improve the connectivity if hiking north?
Yea I'm going to experiment with it in the next few weeks. Will keep you posted.
Thank you for explaining all this. I bought one and took it out on a trip but was having issues with it connecting to satelitte. Wasn't sure why but I did have a lot of cell service so now that I watched this, that is probably why it wasn't connecting??
hard to say but if you had cell connection you can probably ignore the sat connection
Great review! Been waiting on this one. So would iPhone with (choose your map app) and the 67i be overkill? Like the idea of maps without relying on a a phone, but that may be a unsubstantiated fear. On the fence between this, mini 2 and 67i. Thanks again.
I used iPhone and 66 for years, it's a great combo. Now I'm doing a combo of iPhone (maps & sat SOS), watch (maps and nav), and Mini 2 (basic nav and sat) - lots of redundancy and very light weight
Thanks for the response. I’m using the instinct solar for maps as well.
For avid out doors people who like to hike trails
Gps communication is a must
If you can't be located in an emergency and your high up in the mountains your screwed
There was a British actor who disappeared on mt baldy in the san Gabriel mt range
He went hiking be himself with no survival equipment
He was found a couple months later
Design of SOS button is pure stupidity. I'd design and print a cover on my 3d printer to save me some drama.
Yeah that's a pretty silly design, I agree.
Just let it of. There are deliberate SOS beacons out there. With this gadget, if your smartphone gets dropped or runs out of battery, you are already deep into a situation, where you should had called emergency evac days ago😏
@@goiterlanternbaseSOS and Checkin buttons on the device don’t require the smartphone after initial setup. The unit works by itself in a true emergency.
I was thinking kydex.
Like your the expert. Remember options are like ...... everyone has one
I am looking into Satelittle communications when travelling, the goal is to travel off the back of a motorcycle around the globe and it would be nice to have a backup plan. The other thing is my wife is from Vietnam, it would be really nice to be able to alert people of my safety while in Vietnam. But it looks like Canada will not get into the satellite search until Q3 2023, but nothing for Vietnam.
I do not know if the SOS works in Vietnam or for that matter even in Canada for an iPhone. We do not get access to many apple features even if they have been released to the US.
Headed to Costa Rica, super popular destination, but this doesn't work there. Sad.
I’m I understanding it correctly.
Do you need to be in a open space to send or receive messages?
I want it for mountain biking and usually I am under tree canopy.
How well does it work I. Deep forested areas? Other satellite she seem to lose service there?
Thanks
BIG THANK YOU!!! I couldn't do it without you!
How does going over on messages work? Do they just charge you extra or is it not possible once you reach the 30 message limit ect?
I picked one up and had the same concern of the SOS button. During my testing, I was pressing the Check In button with one hand, and my palm pressed against the SOS button, and we have 5 seconds to cancel the request. I also am not a fan of the Nylon web and D ring and will changed this out. Was considering a Garmin, but for the monthly price for text only communcation that I needed, and at 1/3 the monthly price. I’m likely to keep the Motorola Defy Satellite Link. Service seemed fine when I was testing Satellite. Only a weekender backpacker, so this covers my bases.
@@xvillin I was trying to press the Check In button and suddenly the device gave a loud blaring alert. The thick of my palm along the thumb was pressing against the orange SOS button while I was pressing the Check In button. If held for 5 seconds, an SOS is triggered from the device. This can also be triggered from the app by holding the SOS button in the app for 3 seconds. To cancel from the device. Press and hold the orange SOS button until alert stops. I didn’t try again after that. From the user guide. “Cancelling an SOS. If you have accidentally sent an SOS message it is possible to cancel this by pressing and holding the orange button on the side of the device, or through the Bullitt Satellite Messenger app.” I then tried the SOS button while the device was off, and noticed how little pressure is needed to press the button. I can see the SOS button being triggered if improperly strapped or stored, or if accidentally pressed. Would have really liked to have a cover or harder press on the SOS button.
@@xvillin tried to place the link here, but can’t. Google Motorola defy satellite link pdf.
Lots of customer feedback on the possibility of (or actual, in your case) accidental SOS engagement should help. And if the emergency service starts to get too many accidental engagements (that the user can’t cancel, for some reason) they will almost certainly tell Motorola they need to make a design change.
I read the SOS button has to be held in a solid 5 seconds to activate, not like a quick click check in.
Delighted to get turned onto this new device. Your take on it is exceedingly helpful, and this looks like the right unit (finally) for me. I‘m wondering if it would also work fine in an entirely different scenario, i.e. widespread power outages that cause cell towers to go down (and WiFi of course, too). So if I and distant family members kept a powerbank loaded up to recharge our phones, I‘m assuming I could message them and receive messages from them entirely without cell service or WiFi. At least that‘s what I gathered from your review. Correct? Or would each family member need a Defy? (Come to think of it, the latter must be the case, since otherwise how would the satellite message make its way to my family member‘s phone when towers are down?)
Yes, it should work for that (unless the satellite ground stations are part of the outages) and all your family needs is a free Bullit app and account, no need for a sat unit on their end as long as they have a data connection.
@@Hikingguy Much obliged to you for this great news! On another note, as you wisely pointed out, the ground stations might also go down. Definitely food for (sobering) thought… I can only hope that such stations have better contingency plans than, say, mobile phone companies with their chains of towers that can potentially only keep up operations for a few hours after a widespread power outage. Looks look I‘ll buy a Motorola here in Germany, right from their own website. :-) Thanks again for your help.
And what I find about that device is basically that is how long forcement can also find you that way right through the satellite.
@@leonardbrinkman4410 Interesting point, if not just meant ironically. Supposing that is the case, I assume it‘s no different when using cellphones or even ham radios. If law enforcement wants to find somebody, they will. For me, the device would be for emergency communication within the family, so I don‘t think law enforcement would be that interested in finding us. They probably have better things to do during a widespread power outage with mass mayhem. ;-)
Also, you would need to have the unit in a faraday cage for a possible EMP.
Can this device be used as a external GPS receiver with a tablet? Like how Garmin GLO can be?
First question, what phones will it work with and will it not work with? Is it like if it’s older than an iPhone 14 will it not work or will it work that kind of thing because I have an XS
Can I pause the monthly charge like with my InReach mini?
Motorola Defy is under Motorola Mobile which was sold off and now is owned my Lenevo (A multi national Chinese owned company). Motorola solutions in the U.S.A. company. Straight up giving the Chinese all GPS data and messages
@hikingguy would the defy work for back country hunting as a check in communication? Have you tested it with a solar charger ?
Yes for hunting - have not tried it with a solar charger yet
When u send an sos or check img will it tell that person where u are ruffly ?
Soon we will have phone to Starlink satellite messaging. Testing is starting in New Zealand this year or next year.
I think nw massager app from Garmin only works with the mini 2 not the original mini.
It would be nice to understand water and temperature limits. What if you fall into a lake and climb back out? What if the temperature is 20 below zero? For a fire-fighter, it would be nice to know the upper temperature limits.
thanks for the video! why did motorola make it so you have to use a separate messaging app
right now no phone can seemlessly message through cell/wifi/sat from the native messaging app, but I'm sure its not far off
Can you start and stop service easily? Say you’re not gonna go camping or anywhere for six months could you turn it off and then restart it later?
"It works great, the helicopter swooped down only three times from accidently hitting the button." 😂
Like a satellite paging system. But the Tesla phone will make this obsolete since that too can access Starlink satellites for text and voice.
1 year service how? I pre-ordered it and got until September what changed also checkin don't work on the free service
Does anyone know how far offshore it will work? Specifically the mid atlantic. I emailed the company but haven’t heard anything back yet. I saw a map with yellow highlighting the us and it looked plenty far offshore but that may not be accurate.