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Friendly reminder that Kid and Law didn't manage to knock Big Mom out. What they achieved was throwing her into the center of the earth, that is, incapacitating her
Personally I don't think Zoro and Sanji can take on Big Mom, but not because they're weaker than Law and Kidd, as Sanji has an argument for beating Kidd and Zoro one for Law, but it's more of a match-up based fight which Law and Kidd have the up on them against BM. Their abilities and the unison of them, allowed them to gimmick a win over Big Mom whereas Zoro and Sanji would be forced to fight BM in a much more earnest way which would be almost insurmountable for them right now.
I think this is true before their wano upgrades,post wano I think Zoro and Sanji combined is stronger than kid and law, we don’t know their ceilings yet they obliterate king and queen right after they get upgrades.Kid and law we literally see their ceiling after big moms fight it took everything, and post wano we see them both lose to shanks and Blackbeard they put up no fight, we have a better idea of their strength
This feels like the perfect matchup. Sanji's low damage output and inability to hit women won't matter if zoro takes that role. Zoro's (relatively) low durability won't matter if sanji takes all the hits for him. Zoro and sanji probably won't even need to knock her into 10'000 pounds of explosives to win.
The fact that you think sanji can take hits from Big Mom shows how much you’re mistaken. Yes he got an upgrade with his durability but you have to realize that he went from a person with 0 durability to someone with actually decent durability, but not someone who can take hits from a yonko
@@krillin1081 She can also canonically use ACoC attacks to bypass Sanji's durability. It was bs that she never did that vs Law/Kidd. My headcanon for now is that she wants to torture them instead of one-shotting them.
If he somehow gets caught, I can imagine Sanji taking an absolutely beating like Kid did from Misery except when the dust clears he's just chilling there with minimal damage.
Their speed feats are probably better than Law and Kidd, so both of them would outspeed her pretty easily. The only problem is how to knock her out because she is such a durable beast
@@deron_idk She literally has ACoC based on her fight with Kaido. She barely used them vs Kidd/Law as she most likely think that her DF was enough to put her down.
@the-meat-battles She was extremely mad when she used it on Page One and Ulti due to Tama. She literally nerfed herself vs Law and Kidd considering that both can't even use ACoC attacks. We see how powerful ACoC boosts are compared to DF boosts when G4 Luffy alone couldn't even damage or take damage from Base Kaido yet ACoC base Luffy was able to do better vs Hybrid Kaido. Big Mom was literally playing with BOTH Kidd and Law. She even only used one year of her Lifespan to double her power, meaning that 2 or more can give her far more massive boosts. It will be overkill if she even added ACoC>
@the-meat-battles It was already revealed in WCI that her defenses are constantly active save for her mindbreak over Carmel's picture. So don't give me that speedblitz bs.
You vastly overestimate Zoro and Sanji while vastly underestimating Big Mom. She has better Durability than Kaido even, was fucking around in her fight with Kidd and Law who have fantastic match ups against her, and Zoro and Sanji don't have the same win con of tossing her off Onigashima into magma available. They don't stand a chance, she Low Diffs them
@boininjarj278 Have a thought of your own for a moment, think back, look at how often Kaido really got damaged. He has insane Endurance but his Durability isn't as insane as it's hyped up. Kaido and Big Mom are equals, it shouldn't surprise you too much that they have similar stats just with one outpacing the other in places. Kaido is physically stronger and faster, Big Mom is more durable and better with her Devil Fruit. Some of y'all don't know how to read and just decide people are weak because narrative does not exist when a character is part of one too many jokes
@Malevolent_Maya the MC aka LUFFY kid and law said kaido has the best durability attacks that break big moms arms aren't working on kaido not only that kaido is a mythical zoan, has better haki,speed,endurance,atk power,defenses and better feats Big mom has nothing compared to kaido luffy didn't go through hell to defeat him for him to be compared to big meme😂
@@Malevolent_Maya give some big mom feats to compare to kaido before you speak drunken kaido would take a dunk on big mom😭 I'm not even saying she's weak oda just doesn't let her go all out so the strongest version we have of her is the one that fought kid and law🫡 and that big mom ain't touching G4 luffy and drunken kaido they just have better feats
Most of this is expecting the yonko’s went all out on the rooftop (which they didn’t especially Kaido) and Zoro outpacing a chilling base big mom while his only goal is to save Luffy isn’t much of a feat, besides that some of the “anti feats” u mention are against Kidd and Law which means you’d have to expect from the beginning that Zoro and Sanji are stronger than Kidd and Law (which they aren’t)
Considering how zoro got more ap then law and kid Was effectively and easily blizting big mom without even using acoa or acoc Zoro alone would neg the big mom that fought law and kid but if it’s full powered acoc big mom Zoro high-extreme diff
When Big Mom grabbed Marco she said it was because he let his guard down. King and Queen took damage from Marco before facing Sanji so it balances out Zoro and Sanji not being 100%, that was the real point of having Marco go against them. I think Zoro and Sanji win but not easily, Big Mom has a lot of durability and endurance while their strongest attacks quickly drain them. Zoro’s attacks may have hurt Kaido but they weren’t anywhere near enough to bring down like not even close. Luffy did 90% of the work
Kidd brought the powerful external attacks, and law brought the powerful internal attacks which were both needed to take down big mom, Zoro and Sanji don't have the unique abilities needed to take down big mom, it'll be a draw in my opinion, but then sanji knows agitating big mom about her past is a weak spot for her that may be their only chance
Meh. Neither Law or Kidd could do major damage to big mom, so they had to send her to the center of the earth. Zoro however, does have that power. If Sanji can deal with her homies and leave big mom to Zoro, they win a lot easier than Kidd and Law imo.
@@livingrentfree9596 Zoro can't spam it, though! And knowing that Zoro has ACoC, Big Mom will be forced to use hers as well. If Sanji's busy with the homies, even Zoro alone isn't powerful enough to put down Big Mom alone. Law's DF does internal damages similar to ACoC attacks, yet they failed to KO her on their own.
@@mstr293 Can't spam what? His Acoc? Because right now in the manga he is using it just fine. And so what if it does do internal damage, it could barely damage Kaido. Zoro on the other hand can do major damage to the same Kaido.
At first I was very sceptical, but with the caveat that it's Big Mom using the moves an tactics she did against Law and Kidd I can see it. As reading that fight I always got the vibe she was slowly powering up to fuel her own hype. Starting with basic Homie attacks, then taking souls, then enhancing her strength, then making Mother Misery, then she used Armament near the end. All whilst Law and Kidd were already at their limits and piling on Awakenings and breaking their limits. Then a very convenient terrain advantage and Nuclear Bomb plus a magma pit let them tap out before she could start piling on more Haki which I assume she would have done had it continued. So yeah, I'd agree this Zoro and Sanji Vs this Big Mom would probably lead to them winning and more handedly than Law and Kidd by a lot
Sanji's current strength in base is supposed to be way greater but hasn't been highlighted enough. also i was wandering if kid wud have any AP feats off big mom if it was a 1v1?
@@mudorechristian7739 well he did, bcz big mom herself is very slow and she is also very dumb. And if the opponent is in long range, its easier bcz he also has long range advantage. But he is really weak in short range.
@@Starkor990 yh the manga doesn't show the whole motion. But seeing how most of Kidd's atk charge up or take long to get the metal and its very predictable he is only faster than big mom
If zoro while heavily injured can 4 shot a lunarian with a ancient ZOAN. Then he can damage big mom, especially with slashing damage. King can casually clock block attacks that cut kaidos dragon scales, so to get 4 shot is crazy.
Chopper's drug temporarily boosted Zoro to the point where he's completely capable of moving and is stronger. Zoro's literally going all out vs King. Big Mom can also predict Zoro's movements as she noticed Zoro's ACoC potential while using Enma. Unlike the Law/Kidd fight, she's not going to underestimate Zoro.
@mstr293 the mink medicine isn't an Amp it just brings zoro back to fighting condition. Zoro as well had to deal either enma acting up the entire fight.
@@mstr293Choppers drug didn't make him any stronger...also she didn't notice Zoros Acoc potential, she just noticed how Enma is more powerful than other blades and told kaido to dodge
@@obezy8705 For the sake of argument, I'll accept that it didn't make him stronger. But it didn't make him any weaker than earlier, though! Medicine or food in OP has some serious healing factor to superhuman characters like Zoro, Sanji, Brook and Luffy. Also, due to plot convenience. Eating his fill or eating fermented shark canonically got Luffy to tip-top shape. Drinking Milk made Brook and Luffy recover lost teeth AND Chopper's steroids can make himself, Bepo (due to Sulong) and Zoro in fighting shape in no time.
I would say law and kid > zoro and sanji based on feats, but this would be an easier match up Bm just has no way to accommodate for sanji's speed, and due to zoro being faster and having higher AP than kid, she'd have to watch out for zoro WHILE having to predict when sanji would come in and strike her Eventually, sanji just catches her offguard and kicks her off the island 🤷♂ Also congrats on the raid promotion lol
Sanji's speed can't be spammed as it takes a lot of stamina. And BM will be forced to use her ACoC early on as she's the one who first noticed that Zoro's able to use ACoC. Just a reminder that she purposely nerfed herself vs Law/Kidd because both can't use ACoC (Kidd can only use basic CoC). This was revealed later when she started using it when Damned Punk was already pushing her off Onigashima.
Why would she nerf herself? Ask Kaido, who chose to take most of the attacks aimed at him despite having the ability to use future sight and dodge them at will.
What feats? Kidd and Law have no individual feats over Zoro especially. Their only advantage is they got to tagteam a Yonko in a 2v1 and even then they had to win a ring-out victory with bombs saving them as well. BOTH King and Queen individually KO'd Big Mom when given the perfect opportunity as well, so accomplishing that alone does not put a character above Zoro or Sanji. Sanji never had an opportunity, but Zoro drastically outperformed them on the roof and it's not even debatable. You even had Kidd saying their combined attacks did nothing to Hybrid Kaido yet in comes injured Zoro leaving a scar with Law watching in absolute shock. Roof Zoro was clearly above Kidd and Law. And then after that unlocked the exact same ability that allowed Luffy to 1v1 Yonko. Even if Zoro's ACOC isn't as strong as Luffy's, it's still superior to Kidd and Law's awakenings (which they needed assistance from each other to land, mind you). Zoro beats either of them 1v1 and Sanji is definitely AT LEAST stalling the other for long enough.
@the-meat-battles Doesn't mean that she's not holding back. Kaido literally said the same thing vs Luffy prior to getting Gear 5 and said he was going all out vs Yamato. Yet he still has enough energy to fight Gear 5 much later.
@the-meat-battles In terms of DF powers, I think she was going all out. But remember that ACoC and DF are two separate powers that can be used separately or at the same time. All I know is ACoC is superior to DF boosts as we saw with Luffy's Gear 4 unable to fight Kaido to base Luffy +ACoC damaging him. All I know is Big Mom wants a DF showdown between her and Law/Kidd.
Yeah it's completely one sided...in Big Mom's favor. Sanji and Zoro rn are nowhere near Yonko level, whilst Law and Kidd are both low Yonko level(capable of keeping up with a Yonko in a 1v1, and possibly defeating one if the Yonko is weak enough) after their awakenings and STILL went high - extreme diff against Big Mom. Zoro and Sanji are both YC1+ level(capable of low - mid diffing a YC1), they get high diffed by Big Mom. Because here's the thing, this would be Zoro and Sanji after taking one Puncture Wille or one Damned Punk: 💀
Yeah no. Useless Mid got blitzed and one shot by shanks, and flaw got off screened by Blackbeard. They both aren't near yonko level. And no shot you think Damned punk or Puncture Willie is doing anything 💀. Zoro could deal major damage to Hybrid Kaido (who has way higher durability than big mom). Puncture Willie at its best could break big mom's wrist, and Damned punk just pushed her 😭. If Zoro can deflect a combined Acoc blast from Kaido and big mom, hes blocking that shit with no sword style 💀.
@@livingrentfree9596 Zoro and Sanji would get blitzed and one shot by Shanks too. Zoro is struggling to take out Lucci who Luffy low diffed. This alone is proof that Zoro and Sanji are literal fodder to ANY Yonko. Luffy would low diff Lucci = Luffy would low diff Zoro = Big Mom would low diff Zoro. Learn how to power scale for once in your goddamn life
@@livingrentfree9596 "Zoro could deal MAJOR damage to HYBRID Kaido" Where and when? Oh you mean the little paper cut Zoro gave Kaido on rooftop that didn't even affect Kaido in the slightest? 💀💀💀 Gtfoh, you're a Zoro fanboy and it's clear as day. Because NO Sanji fan in their RIGHT MIND would EVER think Zoro and Sanji are on the same level as Law and Kidd, let ALONE think that Zoro and Sanji can defeat Big Mom in a fair 2v1, especially since SANJI CAN'T FUCKING HIT WOMEN!!! This is a match up that ONLY Zorotards love to bring up and argue because they for some reason FORGET THAT SANJI NEVER HITS WOMEN!!!! EVEN BIG MOM!!!
@@livingrentfree9596 Zoro almost died to a single Thunder Bagua. The fact you're even ATTEMPTING to compare Zoro to a HYBRID KAIDO is INFURIATING. Kaido wasn't even SERIOUS against Zoro, he was literally treating him like a joke. Luffy is the only dude at Onigashima who had any shot against Kaido in a 1v1. The fact you didn't even attempt to bring up Sanji shows you're a Zorotard. Even moreso since for some fuck all reason Zorotards believe Zoro was and always will be above Law and Kidd, WHO ARE LUFFY'S RIVALS, NOT ZORO'S!!!!
Seeing as Law and Kidd didn't actually incapacitate Big Mom. No. Zoro and Sanji lose. And I wouldn't even say it's because they're "weaker" than Law and Kidd. In the actual fight, we see it's Law's hax that carried the battle. Zoro and Sanji don't have anything like that. And even with Law's ability to completely bypass defenses and attack where he wants to attack, he still couldn't knock Big Mom out. They had to remove her from the battlefield and settle for that. She didn't get KO'd. The other thing is Big Mom was only using 1 year's worth of soul energy vs Law and Kidd. This implies she can use more than 1 year's worth of soul power in a serious fight on top of all 3 forms of advanced haki. Oda has hinted since Whole Cake that we'll see Big Mom again. And her not being KO'd on Wano adds another layer to that. We'll definitely see her in her full power form, now that she'll no longer underestimate the new generation. Now can we move the goalpost and say Zoro and Sanji could remove her from the battlefield? They probably could. But could they keep her from coming back? No. Remember Law separated her from her homies by teleportation. Otherwise she could have grabbed them and flown back up. Again, Zoro and Sanji have nothing in their arsenal that can do that. On top of that, Law moved the nukes to Big Mom to further insure her battlefield removal would stick. Zoro and Sanji would not have had the nukes and would have no way to teleport them on top of her. So even if Zoro and Sanji are a comparable match in strength to Kidd and Law, they don't have the hax that was needed to keep her away from the battlefield.
Don't forget that she has ACoC attacks when she fought Kaido. I'm assuming that she refrained from using it asshe thought her DF was enough. In fact, the only evidence where she used ACoC vs Kidd/Law was when Damned Punk was already pushing her down Onigashima.
Not really. Zoro alone is way stronger than Kidd and law. He could damage Hybrid Kaido (who has way better durability than Big mom) before even unlocking Acoc. If he uses it (on top of Ashura no less), I can't see her surviving more than 5 attacks from him. Then you add the fact Zoro and Sanji are much faster, it really doesnt become a debate. Now yes she does have Acoc, however we don't know how powerful she really is with it since she used it once on page 1. So it's really a non factor
@@livingrentfree9596 BM's durability may only be comparable to base Kaido's, but she literally has healing powers. Zoro way stronger than both Kidd AND Law? BS! Enough with the Zoro wanking over here. Dude's YC level at best! Sure, he could be stronger than Law or Kidd alone, but both? BS!
@@mstr293 With their strongest attacks together, they could barely damage big mom. They had to push her to the center of the earth. Like I said in my first comment, Zoro can deal heavy damage to Hybrid Kaido with Ashura (and with Acoc he could easily defeat King who has similar durability to Kaido).
You have to take into account that while Law’s awakening carried the fight, he can only use it for a short period of time. Zoro’s attacks with ACoC may do less damage to her than Law’s Kroom, but he can use them all he wants, also, Sanji in Ifrit Jambe can probably deal more damage to Big mom than Kid’s awakening, and again, he can use it all he wants, unlike Kid. Also Sanji and Zoro are better than Kid and Law in every other aspect, speed, resistance, endurance… I think it would take them a lot more time to defeat Big mom, but they can actuallly fight her for hours or even days, so in the end they should win
Big mom would tear them up the only reason she lost is because the devil fruits in the matchup could immobilize her,overpower with bigger objects then even her and do interior damage haki and speed won’t do shit fr
Shit, my scaling was off. You are speaking facts and your point make senses. I'm caught lacking even though i rewatch the anime 2 time and manga 1 time
zoro and sanji vs kid and law could go either way with the former having the edge, but kid and laws abilities are suited way better to fight someone like big mom
I love your videos but this whole thing kinda just ignores multiple scenes in the anime and manga that basically show that king and queen aren’t even close to the same level as big mom. Like the scene where a hungry weakened big mom scared queen so much he didn’t even try and fight back against her he saw her coming and just accepted death then she passed out. Or the time she casually batted away king again while being weakened and hungry. No matter how you slice it zoro and Sanji had to fight with king and queen where as big mom in a weakened state puts the fear of god in them.
they forgot that big mom fell to the magma because law dug a hole from onigashima to the mantle how will zoro and sanji accomplish that feat to get rid of bigmom ...amnesia bigmom wiht 0df 0haki knocked queen out of his Zoan form in 2 blows
The only sort of qualm about this VS is that they have no way to deal with Misery, Zoro can cut fire but i wouldn't say he can cut lightning. Law can get a pass on this because of his fruit's spacial cut hax
@@mstr293 that's true, honesly, Prometeous gets hard countered himself, But I think that Maser Cannon, via what it's implied to be, should have durability negation properties and would be a problem for both Sanji and Zoro
@@livingrentfree9596 nope! homies that are based on elements are immune to haki, it was shown in whole cake Island when luffy tried to use haki on prometheus and it failed
@@Nedoiko Wrong. Thats never implied that's the reason Luffy didn't do any damage to Prometheus. So its safe to assume a stronger haki attacks would do more damage
I disagree with this one. Even with that scenario you just made up with the last part combo. I see her taking out her life span to heal herself up. King of hell at this time has a time limit. I think because of her durability and healing she can last longer than that form. And why didn't you include the part where she consumes more of her life span to get bigger(stronger)? and bigmom's best speed feet is when she defeated niji and ichiji at the same time in whole cake island. and they're both comparable in speed to sanji.
Look I think the thing your not understanding is that sanji is not gonna be hurting big mom nearly enough. And if she just focuses on zoro (doubt she will anyways.) She does win. Don't downplay her too much man. But yeah she does lose due to IQ. You just downplayed her durability quite a lot.
Sanji will be hurting her though,if a weaker queen could knock out Olin then for sure a stronger sanji could damage her, that’s ridiculous to say sanji couldn’t even damage her lol. Sanji is cooking especially if kidd of all people is hurting her with metal bulls 😂
@@BLACKMANBLACKMENidk what are you saying. So you are saying that because queen knocked out big mom ,that was severly nerfed, off guarded and was shown that the headbutt did no damage, and sanji can hurt queen which Queens durability is massively below even amnesia big mom that means he can damage her.
@@oliwiernowakowski1613 one that wasn’t hybrid queen and secondly I’m saying if a queen who didn’t go all out knocked big mom out and a metal bull hurted big mom a guy with blue flames should damage big mom stop it
@@BLACKMANBLACKMEN the difference beetwen hybrid and full Animal form is only in speed, stats like durability and strenght dont change that match so him being hybrid doesnt change anything. Secondly as I said before big mom was nerfed heavily there , couldnt use haki nor her homies, was off guarded and few panels later she woke up from that with no damage. Queen definately went all out against her, he got his ass beat by her and then needed to make a plan to stop her, he needed a distraction to even land that move or else she would either dodge or block it, queen was also visibly fearing for his live multiple times and was up against an emperor, he would be really stupid if he didnt go all out against her . Lastly i dont know what you mean by comparing metal bull to blue flames, its like saying that ussops red poison skull attack is better than luffys basic punch because it looks cooler.
I love boosting sanji stocks but I feel the real issue here is people consider big mom weakest yonko next to teach (always bet on him offscreen doe) and what really sealed the kid and law dub was the jacks that is the OP OP fruit
honestly think the reason she wasn't using acoc was because she lost her proficiency due to age and weaker will, she isn't in her prime anymore and she clearly let herself go so she probably can't use it like she used to as willfully as Kaido
Ngl i don't see those 2 still winning big mom, law and kid df helped much to defeat her, but what ill say is we seriously need a sanji and zoro vs some strong dude, seeing those 2 goings all out in combination, that'll be sick asf
Being 68 years old, 9 years older than Kaido and 4 years younger than Whitebeard, my head canon is probably due to her age. Based on top tiers like Garp, WB and Rayleigh losing significant strength in their 70's, it seems that Big Mom at 68 is getting close to that point? Not to mention that she literally uses her lifespan to powerup.
kidd and law were both there, but i didnt see them rushing to block the ikoku bagua...just saying, if they can take big mom then why not the guy who did block it?
Think this might be the second time i've disagreed with you. We all forget one thing, BIG MOM HAS NEVER BEEN CUT. In fact, Big Mom hasn't even really been damaged with anything but dura-neg (kidd did no lasting dmg whatsoever). Big mom also was never properly defeated, she was laughing while taking some of the strongest attacks they had and only lost due to BFR. Big mom also has a counter to both zoro and sanji. For zoro, she has AOH which we've seen is effective against him already. She also proved that her lighting works well against him on the roof. She has ways to stop zoro from hitting her (though no clue how much damage itd do regardless) and damage zoro without physically hitting him. For sanji, she has 2 big guns. 1. Her lightning. Sanjis durability means nothing in the face of it, and that lightning can put in work. Prometheus might also work, but thats less likely as he is relatively chill with being on fire. 2. Shes a woman, it would be pure character assassination for him to hurt her regardless of situation. Even is vs battles we should consider it as much as sanji not using his hands. Overall, there is no reason to believe either of them have the potential to truly damage big mom. Big mom being scared of kaido getting hit isn't really sufficient evidence considering, well...kaido has scars...big mom doesn't and she has been a pirate longer and fought just as much. She also has ways to deal with both characters offense and defense. And thats without mentioning her powering herself with souls or doing something crazy like animating zoros aura dragon or sanjis ifrit jamble flames (something we know she can do as literally nothing cant be given a soul). Here is also my scaling so you don't think i just downplay sanji and zoro. Queen=
Ngl zoro by himself is taking down Big mom his ap with Acoc is higher than asura than scarred kaido and big mom is less durable than kaido big mom is slower than zoro and dumber if oda made her use Acoc often id rank her closer to kaido but she loses to zoro his Ap,endurance and defense is insane
Your delusion is getting out of hand zoro isn’t even on the level of Kidd and law in the first place his struggling against Lucci the same guy luffy casually slammed
I wonder how much damage can zoro's(fully healed) ashura do to bigmom. He was able to cause perm scar to a hibryd kaido who is much durable than big mom. And also do you think that ashura is close to devane departune(or wth. You know the move that shank used to one shot kid) in terms of damage?
i feel like zoro and sanji couldn't defeat big mom unless they knocked her off onigashima like law and mid did since even after they "beat" her big mom was well awake and could've probably kept fighting for far longer
I Mean pre awakening Sanjji the weakest member of this trio was able to match and IMO exceed big mom lifting and throwing Queen around by literally turning him into a helicoper. So the gap between them isnt as large as one would guess espically with ifrit Jambe and full control of Enma
Don't forget that the only reason she didn't come back up is due to Law teleporting away her homies AND silenced BM's ability to call her. Both Sanji and Zoro lacks that ability. Big Mom's durability may only be comparable to base Kaido, but unlike the latter she can literally heal herself.
All you really have to ask is Zoro & Sanji vs. Kid & Law, and I'm giving it hands down to Zoro & Sanji. Like, call me a fan boy, but I find Sanji & Zoro in a different league than most people. I don't think they could easily solo Yonko, or should I say beat a true yonko individually but I don't think kid or law can either I think Law could penatrate Big moms best quality when it comes to fighting not including devil fruit which even than debatable. But her defense like Gaara makes her worthy of Yonko. Back on track that's why Law can do anything to Big Mom like without that devil fruit ability he'd be screwed and ik he can use that against sanji or Zoro but truthfully he's not keeping up with Sanji he'd have to have Kid slow him down but Kid would be too busy trying not to die from Zoro. Maybe the other way around Zoro fights Law well than theirs no point for him to use it because Law could cut Zoro with just haki if he needs that because Zoro is just flesh and bone true he's very durable but I think Law can cut him plus Sanjis now blitzing Kid. Like, no matter what, Sanji & Zoro hit harder. Sanji, at the very least, probably Zoro, too, is faster than kid and law. Plus, they're more durable or have more endurance than Kid & Law. But that's my rant. Zoro & especially Sanji are underrated by the community, especially the fans of Zoro or the fans of Sanji for vis versa.
There’s no way in hell law is landing a hit on zoro only using haki. He will be barely landing hits on zoro using his DF alone. We literally saw doflamingo dodge his shambles attacks who is much slower than current zoro. Not to mention, he probably can’t even teleport him. As vergo’s haki was stronger than law’s, same is the case with zoro. Law couldn’t TP vergo, and zoro’s haki is stronger than vergo. And during king’s fight, zoro was slowly adapting to king’s speed as well (flames off that is which is faster). And not to mention, zoro’ shishi sonson is actually on par with sanji’s speed as we have seen many times. Zoro is far far faster than kidd and law, while sanji is far far far faster than kidd and law. There’s no way that any of them is landing any hits on zoro let alone sanji even if law were to fight zoro and not sanji. And that is IF law doesn’t get blitzed by zoro like right after the start by an attack like shishi sonson lol.
Bs ending! Law and Kidd aren't that far off these two yet both their strongest attacks combined couldn't even take down Big Mom by their own. Also, if she falls what makes you think she's not coming back up? Unlike Law, both Zoro and Sanji lacks the hax to disable her ability to use her homies and will come back up and rescue her. You also failed to point out that speed boost Sanji has and Zoro's KOH attack can't be spammed and eats up their stamina. Lastly, she was literally toying/underestimating Law and Kidd by doing the same bs Kaido does by letting them hit her. You never saw her use any ACoC attacks vs them like with Kaido until it was too late and she was about to be pushed down via Damned Punk. Both Law and Kidd were exhausted after that AND it only pissed Big Mom off to the point that she's ready for round 2. It was no thanks to the bomb and the deep drop to the Earth's mantle that "finished" her off. If this was Big Mom after the Law/Kidd fight, do you think she's gonna play around the second time around? I know Kaido's superior to her due to her age or something, but she's not that far off in terms of brute power. Fyi, she's not dead. The magma isn't even melting her. And this is the woman who can literally turn anything into homies. She even had a flaming hair at one time. May I remind you that Oda himself put both Big Mom and Kaido above Old Whitebeard in terms of physical strength AND I'm sure the same goes for haki as Old WB can barely use it in Marineford.
I feel like he also massively overestimate sanjis ap, just because he can beat up queen doesnt mean he can hurt big mom. Queens durability is massively below hers, also he keeps showing the panel when he matches zoros attacks when the durability difference beetwen queen and king is night and day and after thus attack both queen and king were relatively unharmed which he even points out later that zoros attack didnt do anthing to king.
1. Big mom wasn't stated above old wb that's not true old wb puts her in a bodybag 2. Zoro was blitzing big mom horribly on the rooftop and was scaring her with just one sword style pre advanced conquers haki. He as well could block Conquest of the sea so he's taking any attack she has 2. Sanji was blitzing queen who can perceive Marco so he's definitely blitzing big mom. He's got the ap to harm since sanji could clash with king and has comparable ap to pre advanced conquers haki zoro. Durability is also insane bro was taking attacks from queen without even using haki. Zoro and sanji blitz around her and violate her.
@@Vader255 Did you read my comment? I said that the difference beetwen kings durability and Queens durability is massive so even if sanji hurt queen there he is still not comparable to zoro also queen took zero damage from that attack and he didnt get damaged at all by sanji until germa Dna kicked in, only after that he could hurt and low diff queen but he still needed multiple named attacks to finish him of in ifrit janbe and Queens durability is far lower than big moms.
@oliwiernowakowski1613 queens durability is still very good considering queen fought denjiro and denjiro is the same guy that could cut through kaidos base form. Queen as well takes attacks from Marco in his base form and Marco could actually clash with big mom and arguably damaged king. Sanji as well could also hurt the seraphims so he should be able to damage big mom. Zoros gonna do most of the damage. Big moms also the same person who got hurt by Frankys car 💀
@@Vader255 i didnt say that Queens durability is trash, i said that in comparison to king or big mom he isnt that good. I dont remember queen fighting denjiro but it still doesnt matter seeing as even kaido himself stated that the wounds that scabards made on him are too shallow and did zero damage. Ye queen could take Marcos attacks but his ap isnt that impressive, he damaged king in one panel but then did no damage to him at all so if you want to take that feat into consideration it would be really shaky at best. In the whole series we see that even if you are much weaker than your opponent you can still clash with the like sabo and fujitora, crocodile and mihawk, Marco and kizaru, jinbei and akainu, jinbei and big mom, luffy and big mom so this Marco feat isnt as impressive as it seems. When it comes to seraphim i havent seen him damaged them, ye he kicked jinbei but did he do any damage to him? Also we dont know if their durability is on kings level, the fact that they are lunarians definately boosted their durability but we dint know if everyone has the same durability. Lastly franky did no damage with his motorbike and the whole scene was just for laughs, do you honestly belive that a person that is a top tier in one piece, has like top 3 durability in the series and could clash with kaido for 3 days would be damaged by some bike.
Big mom is slightly below Kaido . She is underrated nowadays and it's understandable. But let's recap what she did at wano . She got thrown into see. Lost memories for a while. Went into coma after regaining her memories. Then She fought Kaido 1v1 for 3 days . No diffed ulti and page1 . Participated in rooftop fight . Then went on to fight kidd and law. She got thrown out of stage and lost . But remember she was holding back testing their strengths. She never used advanced conq. She sacrificed only 1 year of her lifespan . We can argue that she can sacrifice more for better power up . And her lifespan is very long because of her df. She stole alot of others. Honestly I still think she can defeat law and kid if she fights seriously. But playing around and losing at the end made her look very week . And uncomparable to yonkos like shanks for example who 1 shotted kidd. Zoro cannot win solo against her. So him and sanji lose against her.
"No diffed ulti and page1" - Understandable since she used ACoC vs them both. Something she didn't even bother with Law/Kidd. Why? Because she was mad at the siblings due to Tama BUT she wants to play games with both Law/Kidd like Kaido.
@the-meat-battles I literally said shanks is superior. No doubt about that. But I still think she can solo zoro. Sanji doesn't hit women so he is just a 0. Zoro loses 1v1 . The problem is we don't know big moms full potential. But she is durable for sure . The only thing she didn't show at onigashima is good ap and we know she is capable since her fight with Kaido made the sky split. So she can use advanced conq but she didn't use against kidd and law unfortunately. She also survived the 2 times she got thrown to sea so it's not that important.
@the-meat-battles no they can't. Zoro almost got knocked out from a thunder attack from Zeus . He can't survive her attacks . Even if sanji is distracting her the moment she targets zoro he is done . And Zoro's ashura just reopened an old scar on kaido. It wasn't even that big scar. Big mom stomps .
@the-meat-battles sanji will not even bother to distract her he will just run away like we saw him with Blackmaria. Accept the fact that he is 0 against women.
Personally, i think you underestimated bigmom's endurance. I think sanji and zoro would get tired after landing so much hits and that's when bigmom's going to overwhelms both. I think Bigmom's right now left with 57% hp. By using ACoC, she would definitely KO'ed both sanji and zoro, if they got hit twice. But, the first ACoC hits sanji & zoro and sanji's left around with 20% hp. Zoro's left with 40% hp. If they wouldnt be able to get up so fast and get hit with another, they die.
I think Oda realized he made Zoro and Sanji way too strong compared to the other Worst generation members. Even though Law and Kidd are supposed to rival Luffy they probably can’t even beat Sanji and Zoro at this point in the manga. This is why he had Law and Kidd both get defeated so they can go on mini training arcs to catch up.
@@toko1368 yea but when Law and Midd were introduced they were pictured to be Luffy’s rivals. Similar bounty amounts (bounties don’t determine strength but you get what i mean) and they fought the fodder marines at the same time each showcasing their abilities side by side. Later in Wano Midd is seen rivaling Luffy in the jail, lifting as much blocks as him and having the same amount of food.
@@parmar__12 wash? not at all. Difficult fight? Eh. Neither of the 3 have conquerors coating, advanced armament, or advanced observation. So it all comes down to base haki and their own abilities. And Sanji at this point seems kinda broken. His durability alone is crazy so the only one who could easily do damage is Law. But Sanji is so fast Law would have to heavily rely on his teleportation to keep up and even land a hit. Midd is not landing a hit at all.
@@devv197 That's true, but now I don't think Oda can sell that rivalry narrative anymore narrative and powerscaling wise. Luffy has much more accomplishments than Law and Kidd combined and better feats as well, so calling them rivals at this point in the story is a disservice to Luffy I think.
love the agenda for sanji and zoro. but in reality big mom would’ve won against kid and law, therefore sanji and zoro. she isn’t losing to 2 yc1 level characters
Exactly! Sure Kaido is stronger, but the Ace Novels literally put BM and Kaido above Old Whitebeard himself. Also, she was literally playing with Law/Kidd by preventing from using any ACoC coated attacks like she did Kaido. My guess is ACoC attacks are far more draining than her soul DF and thought that the latter would be enough to beat them.
please explain this comment lmao, "but in reality big mom would've won against kid and law" makes no sense, in reality she lost, sure she could use Acoc but didn't against two characters who actually defeated her, so for whatever reason that was, you can't apply Acoc here as she disn't use it against kidd and law, sanji is objectively faster than her, and zoro while in KOH has ridiculous AP that could heavily damage the likes of even kaido, in a 2 on 1 big mom losses, she's far to overconfident and utterly incompetent.
@@mushy5960 Let me do the explaining: It was clear that she was nerfing herself so she can "play" with her food. Severely underestimating Law/Kidd. The same way Kaido chose to take most of the attacks aimed at him when it was revealed he has future sight much later, meaning he can dodge those attacks at will. Both her and Kaido have this habit of entertaining their challengers. A habit Shanks doesn't have. It was obvious during the Kaido fight that she was an ACoC user and was forced to finally use it by the time that Kidd was already on the brink of pushing her off Onigashima. If it wasn't from the bomb and her drop to the mantle, she would've climbed the rooftop and ready for Round 2. Both Kidd/Law are already exhausted at the time. Why didn't she use ACoC vs Law/Kidd? I figured it out. Because both Law/Kidd lacks ACoC so she leveled herself down to even the playing field. She'll never do the same mistake vs Zoro as she's the one who noticed first that Zoro can use ACoC attacks.
@@mstr293 she played with her food, and it cost her to lose, you just explained the idiotic side of her I had already extrapolated on You’re still just explaining her stupidity and justifying it rather than prove why zoro and sanji would lose, if it isn’t someone she has respect for or objectively knows is strong enough to defeat her, she doesn’t actually try to win, like you already explained. But she does, and that’s a fault of hers, her greatest one even, she would underestimate zoro and sanji the same way 😭😭😭😭 you figured it out?! 😭 prove that’s the reason she withheld her coating from kidd and law, and simply saying, she held back to stoop to their level isn’t reasoning or proof, it’s an excuse😭 because from what I saw page one was far weaker than kidd or law, but she coated her punch because she was blinded in anger, which she was not against kidd and law, that being said, this mentality of hers in each respective fight being the discrepancy you’re missing, and finally, none of the “play” with her food explains why she should’ve won that fight, all it explains is she’s cocky and stupid for underestimating her opponents and that was the cause for her loss to begin with, the reality is she lost because of her personality and mentality going into that fight
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Friendly reminder that Kid and Law didn't manage to knock Big Mom out. What they achieved was throwing her into the center of the earth, that is, incapacitating her
They managed to throw her into the nukes.
they never truly defeated her and needed some convenient bombs to do it
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Oda needed her to be gone out of the story even if it wasn't the best way ..
Oda is such a shit writter sometimes
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Personally I don't think Zoro and Sanji can take on Big Mom, but not because they're weaker than Law and Kidd, as Sanji has an argument for beating Kidd and Zoro one for Law, but it's more of a match-up based fight which Law and Kidd have the up on them against BM. Their abilities and the unison of them, allowed them to gimmick a win over Big Mom whereas Zoro and Sanji would be forced to fight BM in a much more earnest way which would be almost insurmountable for them right now.
Agreed
Plus sanji can't hit big mom so zoro alone would get cooked so big mom will solo
Plus Big Mom was an idiot and forgot to use her top tier haki.
yep KId and Law simply were lucky they could get Big Mom off the island
I think this is true before their wano upgrades,post wano I think Zoro and Sanji combined is stronger than kid and law, we don’t know their ceilings yet they obliterate king and queen
right after they get upgrades.Kid and law we literally see their ceiling after big moms fight it took everything, and post wano we see them both lose to shanks and Blackbeard they put up no fight, we have a better idea of their strength
The fight starts and Sanji disappears
The fight starts and Zoro gets lost
They are not the same
ill be real zoro is too much for sanji thats facts coc haki isnt as op as it looks but anyone that doesnt have it has an automatic disadvantage
@@tjaz1915the joke must have blue walk with the way it went right over your head lmfaoo
bro, not even his team mate can find him after he lost the first time in that fight
@@tjaz1915 my ass
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@@deron_idk he brought up katakuri when he was talking about queens speed
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This feels like the perfect matchup. Sanji's low damage output and inability to hit women won't matter if zoro takes that role. Zoro's (relatively) low durability won't matter if sanji takes all the hits for him.
Zoro and sanji probably won't even need to knock her into 10'000 pounds of explosives to win.
Didn't Sanji already hit Big Mom?
The fact that you think sanji can take hits from Big Mom shows how much you’re mistaken.
Yes he got an upgrade with his durability but you have to realize that he went from a person with 0 durability to someone with actually decent durability, but not someone who can take hits from a yonko
@@krillin1081 She can also canonically use ACoC attacks to bypass Sanji's durability. It was bs that she never did that vs Law/Kidd. My headcanon for now is that she wants to torture them instead of one-shotting them.
Sanji went from 0 durability and low attack power? 😂 no respect.
@the-meat-battles Not my opinion personally. I'm referring to some people thinking his durability and Ap were low before the germa genes activation.
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If he somehow gets caught, I can imagine Sanji taking an absolutely beating like Kid did from Misery except when the dust clears he's just chilling there with minimal damage.
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They be faster than sanji
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Their speed feats are probably better than Law and Kidd, so both of them would outspeed her pretty easily. The only problem is how to knock her out because she is such a durable beast
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Rhe main reason big mom loses is that she just isnt smart. I could easily see her making a mistake that zoro and sanji take advantage of
And no ability to use haki
@@deron_idk She literally has ACoC based on her fight with Kaido. She barely used them vs Kidd/Law as she most likely think that her DF was enough to put her down.
@the-meat-battles She was extremely mad when she used it on Page One and Ulti due to Tama. She literally nerfed herself vs Law and Kidd considering that both can't even use ACoC attacks. We see how powerful ACoC boosts are compared to DF boosts when G4 Luffy alone couldn't even damage or take damage from Base Kaido yet ACoC base Luffy was able to do better vs Hybrid Kaido.
Big Mom was literally playing with BOTH Kidd and Law. She even only used one year of her Lifespan to double her power, meaning that 2 or more can give her far more massive boosts. It will be overkill if she even added ACoC>
@the-meat-battles It was already revealed in WCI that her defenses are constantly active save for her mindbreak over Carmel's picture. So don't give me that speedblitz bs.
@@mstr293how tf does BM not have future sight?
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You vastly overestimate Zoro and Sanji while vastly underestimating Big Mom. She has better Durability than Kaido even, was fucking around in her fight with Kidd and Law who have fantastic match ups against her, and Zoro and Sanji don't have the same win con of tossing her off Onigashima into magma available. They don't stand a chance, she Low Diffs them
I stopped reading when you said she has better durability than kaido 2 piece must be going crazy😂
@boininjarj278 Have a thought of your own for a moment, think back, look at how often Kaido really got damaged. He has insane Endurance but his Durability isn't as insane as it's hyped up. Kaido and Big Mom are equals, it shouldn't surprise you too much that they have similar stats just with one outpacing the other in places. Kaido is physically stronger and faster, Big Mom is more durable and better with her Devil Fruit. Some of y'all don't know how to read and just decide people are weak because narrative does not exist when a character is part of one too many jokes
@Malevolent_Maya the MC aka LUFFY kid and law said kaido has the best durability attacks that break big moms arms aren't working on kaido not only that kaido is a mythical zoan, has better haki,speed,endurance,atk power,defenses and better feats Big mom has nothing compared to kaido luffy didn't go through hell to defeat him for him to be compared to big meme😂
@@boininjarj278 Me when I misinterpret media
@@Malevolent_Maya give some big mom feats to compare to kaido before you speak drunken kaido would take a dunk on big mom😭 I'm not even saying she's weak oda just doesn't let her go all out so the strongest version we have of her is the one that fought kid and law🫡 and that big mom ain't touching G4 luffy and drunken kaido they just have better feats
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Most of this is expecting the yonko’s went all out on the rooftop (which they didn’t especially Kaido) and Zoro outpacing a chilling base big mom while his only goal is to save Luffy isn’t much of a feat, besides that some of the “anti feats” u mention are against Kidd and Law which means you’d have to expect from the beginning that Zoro and Sanji are stronger than Kidd and Law (which they aren’t)
The battle starts Sanji bakes a cake, Zoro takes a nap.
Big Mom body bags Zoro and Sanji mid-high diff. Law and Kid were just built different, simple as that.
Thing is she’s getting blitzed burned and cut
Nope
Bulit different or built for coffin
Considering how zoro got more ap then law and kid
Was effectively and easily blizting big mom without even using acoa or acoc
Zoro alone would neg the big mom that fought law and kid but if it’s full powered acoc big mom
Zoro high-extreme diff
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When Big Mom grabbed Marco she said it was because he let his guard down. King and Queen took damage from Marco before facing Sanji so it balances out Zoro and Sanji not being 100%, that was the real point of having Marco go against them. I think Zoro and Sanji win but not easily, Big Mom has a lot of durability and endurance while their strongest attacks quickly drain them. Zoro’s attacks may have hurt Kaido but they weren’t anywhere near enough to bring down like not even close. Luffy did 90% of the work
Except this zoro is using acoc and big mom isn’t as durable as kaido
5:36 Are we gonna ignore that fact that king's flame wasn't on?
Kidd brought the powerful external attacks, and law brought the powerful internal attacks which were both needed to take down big mom, Zoro and Sanji don't have the unique abilities needed to take down big mom, it'll be a draw in my opinion, but then sanji knows agitating big mom about her past is a weak spot for her that may be their only chance
Meh. Neither Law or Kidd could do major damage to big mom, so they had to send her to the center of the earth. Zoro however, does have that power. If Sanji can deal with her homies and leave big mom to Zoro, they win a lot easier than Kidd and Law imo.
@@livingrentfree9596 Zoro can't spam it, though! And knowing that Zoro has ACoC, Big Mom will be forced to use hers as well. If Sanji's busy with the homies, even Zoro alone isn't powerful enough to put down Big Mom alone. Law's DF does internal damages similar to ACoC attacks, yet they failed to KO her on their own.
@@mstr293 Can't spam what? His Acoc? Because right now in the manga he is using it just fine. And so what if it does do internal damage, it could barely damage Kaido. Zoro on the other hand can do major damage to the same Kaido.
@@mstr293Zoro can't spam acoc?
Boi if kid and law couldn’t even damage kaido literally at all u tripping if u don’t think Zoro not gonna put some serious damage on big mom lol
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At first I was very sceptical, but with the caveat that it's Big Mom using the moves an tactics she did against Law and Kidd I can see it. As reading that fight I always got the vibe she was slowly powering up to fuel her own hype. Starting with basic Homie attacks, then taking souls, then enhancing her strength, then making Mother Misery, then she used Armament near the end. All whilst Law and Kidd were already at their limits and piling on Awakenings and breaking their limits. Then a very convenient terrain advantage and Nuclear Bomb plus a magma pit let them tap out before she could start piling on more Haki which I assume she would have done had it continued.
So yeah, I'd agree this Zoro and Sanji Vs this Big Mom would probably lead to them winning and more handedly than Law and Kidd by a lot
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Overwhelming Big Mom win.
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Okay, so they can beat Kaido then?
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Sanji's current strength in base is supposed to be way greater but hasn't been highlighted enough. also i was wandering if kid wud have any AP feats off big mom if it was a 1v1?
Yeah, his AP would be higher if he were to use an attack like damned punk.
@@Muffin11262wud kid have the chance to pull off atks in a 1v1 against big mom since like 90% of his atks are very slow?
@@mudorechristian7739 well he did, bcz big mom herself is very slow and she is also very dumb. And if the opponent is in long range, its easier bcz he also has long range advantage. But he is really weak in short range.
@@mudorechristian7739 kidd looks slow mostly because of the anime, he seems to have decent speed in the manga
@@Starkor990 yh the manga doesn't show the whole motion. But seeing how most of Kidd's atk charge up or take long to get the metal and its very predictable he is only faster than big mom
If zoro while heavily injured can 4 shot a lunarian with a ancient ZOAN. Then he can damage big mom, especially with slashing damage. King can casually clock block attacks that cut kaidos dragon scales, so to get 4 shot is crazy.
Chopper's drug temporarily boosted Zoro to the point where he's completely capable of moving and is stronger. Zoro's literally going all out vs King. Big Mom can also predict Zoro's movements as she noticed Zoro's ACoC potential while using Enma. Unlike the Law/Kidd fight, she's not going to underestimate Zoro.
@mstr293 the mink medicine isn't an Amp it just brings zoro back to fighting condition. Zoro as well had to deal either enma acting up the entire fight.
@@mstr293Choppers drug didn't make him any stronger...also she didn't notice Zoros Acoc potential, she just noticed how Enma is more powerful than other blades and told kaido to dodge
@@mstr293 he didn't get stronger he was just brought back to fighting condition, what made him stronger was unlocking acoc
@@obezy8705 For the sake of argument, I'll accept that it didn't make him stronger. But it didn't make him any weaker than earlier, though! Medicine or food in OP has some serious healing factor to superhuman characters like Zoro, Sanji, Brook and Luffy. Also, due to plot convenience. Eating his fill or eating fermented shark canonically got Luffy to tip-top shape. Drinking Milk made Brook and Luffy recover lost teeth AND Chopper's steroids can make himself, Bepo (due to Sulong) and Zoro in fighting shape in no time.
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Nah the big mom disrespect is crazy, she low diffs this 2v1
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I would say law and kid > zoro and sanji based on feats, but this would be an easier match up
Bm just has no way to accommodate for sanji's speed, and due to zoro being faster and having higher AP than kid, she'd have to watch out for zoro WHILE having to predict when sanji would come in and strike her
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Sanji's speed can't be spammed as it takes a lot of stamina. And BM will be forced to use her ACoC early on as she's the one who first noticed that Zoro's able to use ACoC. Just a reminder that she purposely nerfed herself vs Law/Kidd because both can't use ACoC (Kidd can only use basic CoC). This was revealed later when she started using it when Damned Punk was already pushing her off Onigashima.
Why would she nerf herself? Ask Kaido, who chose to take most of the attacks aimed at him despite having the ability to use future sight and dodge them at will.
What feats? Kidd and Law have no individual feats over Zoro especially. Their only advantage is they got to tagteam a Yonko in a 2v1 and even then they had to win a ring-out victory with bombs saving them as well. BOTH King and Queen individually KO'd Big Mom when given the perfect opportunity as well, so accomplishing that alone does not put a character above Zoro or Sanji.
Sanji never had an opportunity, but Zoro drastically outperformed them on the roof and it's not even debatable. You even had Kidd saying their combined attacks did nothing to Hybrid Kaido yet in comes injured Zoro leaving a scar with Law watching in absolute shock. Roof Zoro was clearly above Kidd and Law. And then after that unlocked the exact same ability that allowed Luffy to 1v1 Yonko. Even if Zoro's ACOC isn't as strong as Luffy's, it's still superior to Kidd and Law's awakenings (which they needed assistance from each other to land, mind you).
Zoro beats either of them 1v1 and Sanji is definitely AT LEAST stalling the other for long enough.
@the-meat-battles Doesn't mean that she's not holding back. Kaido literally said the same thing vs Luffy prior to getting Gear 5 and said he was going all out vs Yamato. Yet he still has enough energy to fight Gear 5 much later.
@the-meat-battles In terms of DF powers, I think she was going all out. But remember that ACoC and DF are two separate powers that can be used separately or at the same time. All I know is ACoC is superior to DF boosts as we saw with Luffy's Gear 4 unable to fight Kaido to base Luffy +ACoC damaging him. All I know is Big Mom wants a DF showdown between her and Law/Kidd.
Zoro and sanji beat the "big belly emperor"
Yeah it's completely one sided...in Big Mom's favor. Sanji and Zoro rn are nowhere near Yonko level, whilst Law and Kidd are both low Yonko level(capable of keeping up with a Yonko in a 1v1, and possibly defeating one if the Yonko is weak enough) after their awakenings and STILL went high - extreme diff against Big Mom.
Zoro and Sanji are both YC1+ level(capable of low - mid diffing a YC1), they get high diffed by Big Mom.
Because here's the thing, this would be Zoro and Sanji after taking one Puncture Wille or one Damned Punk:
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Yeah no. Useless Mid got blitzed and one shot by shanks, and flaw got off screened by Blackbeard. They both aren't near yonko level.
And no shot you think Damned punk or Puncture Willie is doing anything 💀. Zoro could deal major damage to Hybrid Kaido (who has way higher durability than big mom). Puncture Willie at its best could break big mom's wrist, and Damned punk just pushed her 😭. If Zoro can deflect a combined Acoc blast from Kaido and big mom, hes blocking that shit with no sword style 💀.
@@livingrentfree9596 Zoro and Sanji would get blitzed and one shot by Shanks too.
Zoro is struggling to take out Lucci who Luffy low diffed. This alone is proof that Zoro and Sanji are literal fodder to ANY Yonko. Luffy would low diff Lucci = Luffy would low diff Zoro = Big Mom would low diff Zoro.
Learn how to power scale for once in your goddamn life
@@livingrentfree9596 Law got jumped by Blackbeard's crew, it wasn't a fair 1v1 + Blackbeard is stronger than Big Mom.
@@livingrentfree9596 "Zoro could deal MAJOR damage to HYBRID Kaido"
Where and when? Oh you mean the little paper cut Zoro gave Kaido on rooftop that didn't even affect Kaido in the slightest? 💀💀💀
Gtfoh, you're a Zoro fanboy and it's clear as day.
Because NO Sanji fan in their RIGHT MIND would EVER think Zoro and Sanji are on the same level as Law and Kidd, let ALONE think that Zoro and Sanji can defeat Big Mom in a fair 2v1, especially since SANJI CAN'T FUCKING HIT WOMEN!!! This is a match up that ONLY Zorotards love to bring up and argue because they for some reason FORGET THAT SANJI NEVER HITS WOMEN!!!! EVEN BIG MOM!!!
@@livingrentfree9596 Zoro almost died to a single Thunder Bagua. The fact you're even ATTEMPTING to compare Zoro to a HYBRID KAIDO is INFURIATING. Kaido wasn't even SERIOUS against Zoro, he was literally treating him like a joke.
Luffy is the only dude at Onigashima who had any shot against Kaido in a 1v1.
The fact you didn't even attempt to bring up Sanji shows you're a Zorotard. Even moreso since for some fuck all reason Zorotards believe Zoro was and always will be above Law and Kidd, WHO ARE LUFFY'S RIVALS, NOT ZORO'S!!!!
Bros been REAL silent after this last chapter sanji got one tapped and kizaru got like three tapped by gear 5 and went out like a light
Seeing as Law and Kidd didn't actually incapacitate Big Mom. No. Zoro and Sanji lose.
And I wouldn't even say it's because they're "weaker" than Law and Kidd. In the actual fight, we see it's Law's hax that carried the battle. Zoro and Sanji don't have anything like that.
And even with Law's ability to completely bypass defenses and attack where he wants to attack, he still couldn't knock Big Mom out. They had to remove her from the battlefield and settle for that. She didn't get KO'd.
The other thing is Big Mom was only using 1 year's worth of soul energy vs Law and Kidd. This implies she can use more than 1 year's worth of soul power in a serious fight on top of all 3 forms of advanced haki.
Oda has hinted since Whole Cake that we'll see Big Mom again. And her not being KO'd on Wano adds another layer to that. We'll definitely see her in her full power form, now that she'll no longer underestimate the new generation.
Now can we move the goalpost and say Zoro and Sanji could remove her from the battlefield? They probably could. But could they keep her from coming back? No.
Remember Law separated her from her homies by teleportation. Otherwise she could have grabbed them and flown back up. Again, Zoro and Sanji have nothing in their arsenal that can do that.
On top of that, Law moved the nukes to Big Mom to further insure her battlefield removal would stick. Zoro and Sanji would not have had the nukes and would have no way to teleport them on top of her.
So even if Zoro and Sanji are a comparable match in strength to Kidd and Law, they don't have the hax that was needed to keep her away from the battlefield.
Don't forget that she has ACoC attacks when she fought Kaido. I'm assuming that she refrained from using it asshe thought her DF was enough. In fact, the only evidence where she used ACoC vs Kidd/Law was when Damned Punk was already pushing her down Onigashima.
Not really. Zoro alone is way stronger than Kidd and law. He could damage Hybrid Kaido (who has way better durability than Big mom) before even unlocking Acoc. If he uses it (on top of Ashura no less), I can't see her surviving more than 5 attacks from him. Then you add the fact Zoro and Sanji are much faster, it really doesnt become a debate.
Now yes she does have Acoc, however we don't know how powerful she really is with it since she used it once on page 1. So it's really a non factor
@@livingrentfree9596 BM's durability may only be comparable to base Kaido's, but she literally has healing powers. Zoro way stronger than both Kidd AND Law? BS! Enough with the Zoro wanking over here. Dude's YC level at best! Sure, he could be stronger than Law or Kidd alone, but both? BS!
@@mstr293 With their strongest attacks together, they could barely damage big mom. They had to push her to the center of the earth. Like I said in my first comment, Zoro can deal heavy damage to Hybrid Kaido with Ashura (and with Acoc he could easily defeat King who has similar durability to Kaido).
You have to take into account that while Law’s awakening carried the fight, he can only use it for a short period of time. Zoro’s attacks with ACoC may do less damage to her than Law’s Kroom, but he can use them all he wants, also, Sanji in Ifrit Jambe can probably deal more damage to Big mom than Kid’s awakening, and again, he can use it all he wants, unlike Kid.
Also Sanji and Zoro are better than Kid and Law in every other aspect, speed, resistance, endurance…
I think it would take them a lot more time to defeat Big mom, but they can actuallly fight her for hours or even days, so in the end they should win
Can you do one on Big Mom? Everyone clowns on her and downplay her at every chance.
Apparently, also this guy.
@@mstr293They very disrespectful to her
Big mom would tear them up the only reason she lost is because the devil fruits in the matchup could immobilize her,overpower with bigger objects then even her and do interior damage haki and speed won’t do shit fr
Big mom is not losing to zoro and sanji but w video anyway
You haven't even finished the video it's been 2 minutes 😂
She is
@@RealLani I expected the result by the thumbnail
u guys don't have any argument in ur favor its crazy to just say that big mom win when this dude literally explain the whole thing
Shit, my scaling was off. You are speaking facts and your point make senses.
I'm caught lacking even though i rewatch the anime 2 time and manga 1 time
Does this video prove hakari doesnt get neg diff by Yuta though
zoro and sanji vs kid and law could go either way with the former having the edge, but kid and laws abilities are suited way better to fight someone like big mom
I love your videos but this whole thing kinda just ignores multiple scenes in the anime and manga that basically show that king and queen aren’t even close to the same level as big mom. Like the scene where a hungry weakened big mom scared queen so much he didn’t even try and fight back against her he saw her coming and just accepted death then she passed out. Or the time she casually batted away king again while being weakened and hungry. No matter how you slice it zoro and Sanji had to fight with king and queen where as big mom in a weakened state puts the fear of god in them.
they forgot that big mom fell to the magma because law dug a hole from onigashima to the mantle how will zoro and sanji accomplish that feat to get rid of bigmom ...amnesia bigmom wiht 0df 0haki knocked queen out of his Zoan form in 2 blows
When did big mom scare king again? Queen yea but king was never afraid of her?
king kicks her boat with her and the whole crew on it, how tf hes afraid of her bro
Sanji doesn't hit women so this battle is already over. I don't think Sanji would even dare to kick Big Mom based on her being a woman alone.
The only sort of qualm about this VS is that they have no way to deal with Misery, Zoro can cut fire but i wouldn't say he can cut lightning. Law can get a pass on this because of his fruit's spacial cut hax
Perhaps he can. But he can't permanently get rid of them as Zoro lacks the ability to shut BM up and teleport the homies away.
@@mstr293 that's true, honesly, Prometeous gets hard countered himself, But I think that Maser Cannon, via what it's implied to be, should have durability negation properties and would be a problem for both Sanji and Zoro
She's still a devil fruit ability though. If Zoro and Sanji use haki I'm pretty sure they can deal with her
@@livingrentfree9596 nope! homies that are based on elements are immune to haki, it was shown in whole cake Island when luffy tried to use haki on prometheus and it failed
@@Nedoiko Wrong. Thats never implied that's the reason Luffy didn't do any damage to Prometheus. So its safe to assume a stronger haki attacks would do more damage
Letting Sanji hit big mom is so convenient
Not much she can do about it
I disagree with this one. Even with that scenario you just made up with the last part combo. I see her taking out her life span to heal herself up. King of hell at this time has a time limit. I think because of her durability and healing she can last longer than that form. And why didn't you include the part where she consumes more of her life span to get bigger(stronger)? and bigmom's best speed feet is when she defeated niji and ichiji at the same time in whole cake island. and they're both comparable in speed to sanji.
Also, Law teleported her homies away and disabled her ability to summon them. Both Sanji and Zoro lacks those haxes.
sanjis way faster than them cope harder
@@vert6537 Him being faster won't get rid of the fact that he'll never attempt to hurt Big Mom. Just block her attacks.
@@mstr293This is literally a battle where Sanji is allowed to hit her
Not really. In egg head Zoro has been using king of hell just fine with no time limit. And he did include that form
IMO zoro is the lynchpin of beating her, if he gets hit by too strong of an attack then they're both toast
THE AGENDA RETURNS!!!!!!
Nah, this is pure facts today, no agenda
Wait wait wait wait wait the bigmom downplay is at an all time high lol
Cry
@@isaacmybro9570 how does it feel to be this stupid on the internet 😂😂😂
Look I think the thing your not understanding is that sanji is not gonna be hurting big mom nearly enough. And if she just focuses on zoro (doubt she will anyways.) She does win. Don't downplay her too much man.
But yeah she does lose due to IQ. You just downplayed her durability quite a lot.
Sanji will be hurting her though,if a weaker queen could knock out Olin then for sure a stronger sanji could damage her, that’s ridiculous to say sanji couldn’t even damage her lol. Sanji is cooking especially if kidd of all people is hurting her with metal bulls 😂
Her durability is worse than kaidos and she's scared of Zoros attacks he graded her just fine this the Big mom that fought kid and law with no Acoc
@@BLACKMANBLACKMENidk what are you saying. So you are saying that because queen knocked out big mom ,that was severly nerfed, off guarded and was shown that the headbutt did no damage, and sanji can hurt queen which Queens durability is massively below even amnesia big mom that means he can damage her.
@@oliwiernowakowski1613 one that wasn’t hybrid queen and secondly I’m saying if a queen who didn’t go all out knocked big mom out and a metal bull hurted big mom a guy with blue flames should damage big mom stop it
@@BLACKMANBLACKMEN the difference beetwen hybrid and full Animal form is only in speed, stats like durability and strenght dont change that match so him being hybrid doesnt change anything. Secondly as I said before big mom was nerfed heavily there , couldnt use haki nor her homies, was off guarded and few panels later she woke up from that with no damage. Queen definately went all out against her, he got his ass beat by her and then needed to make a plan to stop her, he needed a distraction to even land that move or else she would either dodge or block it, queen was also visibly fearing for his live multiple times and was up against an emperor, he would be really stupid if he didnt go all out against her . Lastly i dont know what you mean by comparing metal bull to blue flames, its like saying that ussops red poison skull attack is better than luffys basic punch because it looks cooler.
I love boosting sanji stocks but I feel the real issue here is people consider big mom weakest yonko next to teach (always bet on him offscreen doe) and what really sealed the kid and law dub was the jacks that is the OP OP fruit
I think big mom would actually use ACoC against zoro especially since she saw the damage he was doing to kaido with broken bones.
Exactly! She will take more damage from Zoro's KOH attack than Hybrid Kaido, but unlike Kaido, she has healing powers.
honestly think the reason she wasn't using acoc was because she lost her proficiency due to age and weaker will, she isn't in her prime anymore and she clearly let herself go so she probably can't use it like she used to as willfully as Kaido
very good ending. Big Mom still wins Extreme diff tho cuz Sanji + Zoro is slightly weaker than Kid + Law
Big mom is literally a meme, replaced by buggy of all people
Ngl i don't see those 2 still winning big mom, law and kid df helped much to defeat her, but what ill say is we seriously need a sanji and zoro vs some strong dude, seeing those 2 goings all out in combination, that'll be sick asf
Big Mom was nerfed in her fight. At full power, she's nearly equal to Kaido.
She nerfed herself
@@cmonbruh6636Fr she stopped using ACOC
Being 68 years old, 9 years older than Kaido and 4 years younger than Whitebeard, my head canon is probably due to her age. Based on top tiers like Garp, WB and Rayleigh losing significant strength in their 70's, it seems that Big Mom at 68 is getting close to that point? Not to mention that she literally uses her lifespan to powerup.
Speaking of ACoC, my guess is that she thought her DF was enough to beat Law/Kidd as it was seen that she thinks of them as weak.@@thedarkestkni9ht
@@mstr293 She literally used acoc RIGHT BEFORE her fight against Kid and Law against Page One, but during the fight, she somehow completely forgot.
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how is kaido a fraud
Bro your list of frauds is insane 😂
@@deron_idkno there not
@@animoments8969people say he’s top 1 in the verse but he’s not even stronger then luffy
The fight starts and sanji disappears
kidd and law were both there, but i didnt see them rushing to block the ikoku bagua...just saying, if they can take big mom then why not the guy who did block it?
Law did teleport Zoro away before the attack could even do lethal damage to him.
@@mstr293No that's not what happened. Zoro deflected the attack away
@@livingrentfree9596no dude law saved Zoro by teleporting he would have died otherwise
@@JayB-hz8rh Ur right, but who said he would've died? Even kidd congratulated Zoro for stopping it
@@livingrentfree9596so? Zoro still didn’t not fully block it he stalled it for less then a second before law saved his life
Think this might be the second time i've disagreed with you.
We all forget one thing, BIG MOM HAS NEVER BEEN CUT. In fact, Big Mom hasn't even really been damaged with anything but dura-neg (kidd did no lasting dmg whatsoever). Big mom also was never properly defeated, she was laughing while taking some of the strongest attacks they had and only lost due to BFR.
Big mom also has a counter to both zoro and sanji.
For zoro, she has AOH which we've seen is effective against him already. She also proved that her lighting works well against him on the roof. She has ways to stop zoro from hitting her (though no clue how much damage itd do regardless) and damage zoro without physically hitting him.
For sanji, she has 2 big guns.
1. Her lightning. Sanjis durability means nothing in the face of it, and that lightning can put in work. Prometheus might also work, but thats less likely as he is relatively chill with being on fire.
2. Shes a woman, it would be pure character assassination for him to hurt her regardless of situation. Even is vs battles we should consider it as much as sanji not using his hands.
Overall, there is no reason to believe either of them have the potential to truly damage big mom. Big mom being scared of kaido getting hit isn't really sufficient evidence considering, well...kaido has scars...big mom doesn't and she has been a pirate longer and fought just as much.
She also has ways to deal with both characters offense and defense.
And thats without mentioning her powering herself with souls or doing something crazy like animating zoros aura dragon or sanjis ifrit jamble flames (something we know she can do as literally nothing cant be given a soul).
Here is also my scaling so you don't think i just downplay sanji and zoro.
Queen=
Ngl zoro by himself is taking down Big mom his ap with Acoc is higher than asura than scarred kaido and big mom is less durable than kaido big mom is slower than zoro and dumber if oda made her use Acoc often id rank her closer to kaido but she loses to zoro his Ap,endurance and defense is insane
Ur insane for thinking Zoro can 1v1 Big Mom
Your delusion is getting out of hand zoro isn’t even on the level of Kidd and law in the first place his struggling against Lucci the same guy luffy casually slammed
@tensei7487 you're sped Zoro literally has better feats than niggas who are in the ocean
Zoro and Sanji are getting bodied 😂
I wonder how much damage can zoro's(fully healed) ashura do to bigmom. He was able to cause perm scar to a hibryd kaido who is much durable than big mom. And also do you think that ashura is close to devane departune(or wth. You know the move that shank used to one shot kid) in terms of damage?
It wasn't enough to bring down Kaido. In fact, BM can heal herself. Zoro will be down after using that attack. Nope! Not even close to Komusari.
@@mstr293💀you’re wrong but ok
@@mstr293Zoro only fell down because he was already pretty much exhausted before using it
@@livingrentfree9596 And who was he fighting with that caused such exhaustion?
@@acecelex I'm right! Dude's still nowhere close to Admirals and Yonkos. Dude's best feat is beating a commander!
Big Mom's attacks not keeping Law and Kid down is more to the credit of the Supernovae.
i feel like zoro and sanji couldn't defeat big mom unless they knocked her off onigashima like law and mid did since even after they "beat" her big mom was well awake and could've probably kept fighting for far longer
I Mean pre awakening Sanjji the weakest member of this trio was able to match and IMO exceed big mom lifting and throwing Queen around by literally turning him into a helicoper. So the gap between them isnt as large as one would guess espically with ifrit Jambe and full control of Enma
@@sECUREij yeah but that's nowhere near big mom's best feat, she had amnesia and did that with pretty much no efford
@@sheipi9978 I know Im just using that as as a broad show that this fight is extremely close.
Don't forget that the only reason she didn't come back up is due to Law teleporting away her homies AND silenced BM's ability to call her. Both Sanji and Zoro lacks that ability. Big Mom's durability may only be comparable to base Kaido, but unlike the latter she can literally heal herself.
@@mstr293 Yes but both Zoro and Sanji have way higher AP then Law and Kid. Outside of the cannon.
Sanji and zoro together can't even beat KID OR LAW
All you really have to ask is Zoro & Sanji vs. Kid & Law, and I'm giving it hands down to Zoro & Sanji. Like, call me a fan boy, but I find Sanji & Zoro in a different league than most people. I don't think they could easily solo Yonko, or should I say beat a true yonko individually but I don't think kid or law can either I think Law could penatrate Big moms best quality when it comes to fighting not including devil fruit which even than debatable. But her defense like Gaara makes her worthy of Yonko. Back on track that's why Law can do anything to Big Mom like without that devil fruit ability he'd be screwed and ik he can use that against sanji or Zoro but truthfully he's not keeping up with Sanji he'd have to have Kid slow him down but Kid would be too busy trying not to die from Zoro. Maybe the other way around Zoro fights Law well than theirs no point for him to use it because Law could cut Zoro with just haki if he needs that because Zoro is just flesh and bone true he's very durable but I think Law can cut him plus Sanjis now blitzing Kid. Like, no matter what, Sanji & Zoro hit harder. Sanji, at the very least, probably Zoro, too, is faster than kid and law. Plus, they're more durable or have more endurance than Kid & Law. But that's my rant. Zoro & especially Sanji are underrated by the community, especially the fans of Zoro or the fans of Sanji for vis versa.
There’s no way in hell law is landing a hit on zoro only using haki. He will be barely landing hits on zoro using his DF alone. We literally saw doflamingo dodge his shambles attacks who is much slower than current zoro. Not to mention, he probably can’t even teleport him. As vergo’s haki was stronger than law’s, same is the case with zoro. Law couldn’t TP vergo, and zoro’s haki is stronger than vergo. And during king’s fight, zoro was slowly adapting to king’s speed as well (flames off that is which is faster).
And not to mention, zoro’ shishi sonson is actually on par with sanji’s speed as we have seen many times. Zoro is far far faster than kidd and law, while sanji is far far far faster than kidd and law.
There’s no way that any of them is landing any hits on zoro let alone sanji even if law were to fight zoro and not sanji. And that is IF law doesn’t get blitzed by zoro like right after the start by an attack like shishi sonson lol.
@jollyman3980 I agree, but I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and look at it in the best case scenario for Law & Kid.
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Bs ending! Law and Kidd aren't that far off these two yet both their strongest attacks combined couldn't even take down Big Mom by their own. Also, if she falls what makes you think she's not coming back up? Unlike Law, both Zoro and Sanji lacks the hax to disable her ability to use her homies and will come back up and rescue her. You also failed to point out that speed boost Sanji has and Zoro's KOH attack can't be spammed and eats up their stamina.
Lastly, she was literally toying/underestimating Law and Kidd by doing the same bs Kaido does by letting them hit her. You never saw her use any ACoC attacks vs them like with Kaido until it was too late and she was about to be pushed down via Damned Punk. Both Law and Kidd were exhausted after that AND it only pissed Big Mom off to the point that she's ready for round 2. It was no thanks to the bomb and the deep drop to the Earth's mantle that "finished" her off.
If this was Big Mom after the Law/Kidd fight, do you think she's gonna play around the second time around? I know Kaido's superior to her due to her age or something, but she's not that far off in terms of brute power. Fyi, she's not dead. The magma isn't even melting her. And this is the woman who can literally turn anything into homies. She even had a flaming hair at one time.
May I remind you that Oda himself put both Big Mom and Kaido above Old Whitebeard in terms of physical strength AND I'm sure the same goes for haki as Old WB can barely use it in Marineford.
I feel like he also massively overestimate sanjis ap, just because he can beat up queen doesnt mean he can hurt big mom. Queens durability is massively below hers, also he keeps showing the panel when he matches zoros attacks when the durability difference beetwen queen and king is night and day and after thus attack both queen and king were relatively unharmed which he even points out later that zoros attack didnt do anthing to king.
1. Big mom wasn't stated above old wb that's not true old wb puts her in a bodybag
2. Zoro was blitzing big mom horribly on the rooftop and was scaring her with just one sword style pre advanced conquers haki. He as well could block Conquest of the sea so he's taking any attack she has
2. Sanji was blitzing queen who can perceive Marco so he's definitely blitzing big mom. He's got the ap to harm since sanji could clash with king and has comparable ap to pre advanced conquers haki zoro. Durability is also insane bro was taking attacks from queen without even using haki.
Zoro and sanji blitz around her and violate her.
@@Vader255 Did you read my comment? I said that the difference beetwen kings durability and Queens durability is massive so even if sanji hurt queen there he is still not comparable to zoro also queen took zero damage from that attack and he didnt get damaged at all by sanji until germa Dna kicked in, only after that he could hurt and low diff queen but he still needed multiple named attacks to finish him of in ifrit janbe and Queens durability is far lower than big moms.
@oliwiernowakowski1613 queens durability is still very good considering queen fought denjiro and denjiro is the same guy that could cut through kaidos base form. Queen as well takes attacks from Marco in his base form and Marco could actually clash with big mom and arguably damaged king.
Sanji as well could also hurt the seraphims so he should be able to damage big mom. Zoros gonna do most of the damage. Big moms also the same person who got hurt by Frankys car 💀
@@Vader255 i didnt say that Queens durability is trash, i said that in comparison to king or big mom he isnt that good. I dont remember queen fighting denjiro but it still doesnt matter seeing as even kaido himself stated that the wounds that scabards made on him are too shallow and did zero damage. Ye queen could take Marcos attacks but his ap isnt that impressive, he damaged king in one panel but then did no damage to him at all so if you want to take that feat into consideration it would be really shaky at best. In the whole series we see that even if you are much weaker than your opponent you can still clash with the like sabo and fujitora, crocodile and mihawk, Marco and kizaru, jinbei and akainu, jinbei and big mom, luffy and big mom so this Marco feat isnt as impressive as it seems. When it comes to seraphim i havent seen him damaged them, ye he kicked jinbei but did he do any damage to him? Also we dont know if their durability is on kings level, the fact that they are lunarians definately boosted their durability but we dint know if everyone has the same durability. Lastly franky did no damage with his motorbike and the whole scene was just for laughs, do you honestly belive that a person that is a top tier in one piece, has like top 3 durability in the series and could clash with kaido for 3 days would be damaged by some bike.
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Big mom is slightly below Kaido .
She is underrated nowadays and it's understandable.
But let's recap what she did at wano .
She got thrown into see.
Lost memories for a while.
Went into coma after regaining her memories.
Then She fought Kaido 1v1 for 3 days .
No diffed ulti and page1 .
Participated in rooftop fight .
Then went on to fight kidd and law. She got thrown out of stage and lost .
But remember she was holding back testing their strengths. She never used advanced conq. She sacrificed only 1 year of her lifespan . We can argue that she can sacrifice more for better power up . And her lifespan is very long because of her df. She stole alot of others.
Honestly I still think she can defeat law and kid if she fights seriously.
But playing around and losing at the end made her look very week . And uncomparable to yonkos like shanks for example who 1 shotted kidd.
Zoro cannot win solo against her. So him and sanji lose against her.
"No diffed ulti and page1" - Understandable since she used ACoC vs them both. Something she didn't even bother with Law/Kidd. Why? Because she was mad at the siblings due to Tama BUT she wants to play games with both Law/Kidd like Kaido.
@the-meat-battles I literally said shanks is superior. No doubt about that.
But I still think she can solo zoro. Sanji doesn't hit women so he is just a 0. Zoro loses 1v1 .
The problem is we don't know big moms full potential. But she is durable for sure . The only thing she didn't show at onigashima is good ap and we know she is capable since her fight with Kaido made the sky split. So she can use advanced conq but she didn't use against kidd and law unfortunately. She also survived the 2 times she got thrown to sea so it's not that important.
@the-meat-battles no they can't. Zoro almost got knocked out from a thunder attack from Zeus . He can't survive her attacks . Even if sanji is distracting her the moment she targets zoro he is done . And Zoro's ashura just reopened an old scar on kaido. It wasn't even that big scar. Big mom stomps .
@the-meat-battles sanji will not even bother to distract her he will just run away like we saw him with Blackmaria. Accept the fact that he is 0 against women.
Personally, i think you underestimated bigmom's endurance. I think sanji and zoro would get tired after landing so much hits and that's when bigmom's going to overwhelms both. I think Bigmom's right now left with 57% hp. By using ACoC, she would definitely KO'ed both sanji and zoro, if they got hit twice. But, the first ACoC hits sanji & zoro and sanji's left around with 20% hp. Zoro's left with 40% hp. If they wouldnt be able to get up so fast and get hit with another, they die.
I think Oda realized he made Zoro and Sanji way too strong compared to the other Worst generation members. Even though Law and Kidd are supposed to rival Luffy they probably can’t even beat Sanji and Zoro at this point in the manga. This is why he had Law and Kidd both get defeated so they can go on mini training arcs to catch up.
I don't know about that, I think we forget that luffy's a yonko now. His rivals are Shanks, Buggy and Blackbeard
Law and kidd washes sanji
@@toko1368 yea but when Law and Midd were introduced they were pictured to be Luffy’s rivals. Similar bounty amounts (bounties don’t determine strength but you get what i mean) and they fought the fodder marines at the same time each showcasing their abilities side by side. Later in Wano Midd is seen rivaling Luffy in the jail, lifting as much blocks as him and having the same amount of food.
@@parmar__12 wash? not at all. Difficult fight? Eh. Neither of the 3 have conquerors coating, advanced armament, or advanced observation. So it all comes down to base haki and their own abilities. And Sanji at this point seems kinda broken. His durability alone is crazy so the only one who could easily do damage is Law. But Sanji is so fast Law would have to heavily rely on his teleportation to keep up and even land a hit. Midd is not landing a hit at all.
@@devv197 That's true, but now I don't think Oda can sell that rivalry narrative anymore narrative and powerscaling wise. Luffy has much more accomplishments than Law and Kidd combined and better feats as well, so calling them rivals at this point in the story is a disservice to Luffy I think.
Zoro did not block kaidos and big moms combined attack for 1 second he actually blocked it longer then that.
The big mom downplay is insane. Zoro&Sanji beat some commanders&that makes them Yonko level all of a sudden😭
Um... So basically Zoro vs Big Mom then?
Sanji can't hurt women remember 😭
He'll think its a man
hes already attacked her in wci along with luffy
@@jupitercoyote348 that was him blocking not attacking oda said so
Watch the video
I am waiting for this 2 to fight a top tier togheter since they fought the fucking foxy pirates 😭
love the agenda for sanji and zoro. but in reality big mom would’ve won against kid and law, therefore sanji and zoro. she isn’t losing to 2 yc1 level characters
Exactly! Sure Kaido is stronger, but the Ace Novels literally put BM and Kaido above Old Whitebeard himself. Also, she was literally playing with Law/Kidd by preventing from using any ACoC coated attacks like she did Kaido. My guess is ACoC attacks are far more draining than her soul DF and thought that the latter would be enough to beat them.
please explain this comment lmao, "but in reality big mom would've won against kid and law" makes no sense, in reality she lost, sure she could use Acoc but didn't against two characters who actually defeated her, so for whatever reason that was, you can't apply Acoc here as she disn't use it against kidd and law, sanji is objectively faster than her, and zoro while in KOH has ridiculous AP that could heavily damage the likes of even kaido, in a 2 on 1 big mom losses, she's far to overconfident and utterly incompetent.
@@mushy5960 Let me do the explaining:
It was clear that she was nerfing herself so she can "play" with her food. Severely underestimating Law/Kidd. The same way Kaido chose to take most of the attacks aimed at him when it was revealed he has future sight much later, meaning he can dodge those attacks at will. Both her and Kaido have this habit of entertaining their challengers. A habit Shanks doesn't have.
It was obvious during the Kaido fight that she was an ACoC user and was forced to finally use it by the time that Kidd was already on the brink of pushing her off Onigashima. If it wasn't from the bomb and her drop to the mantle, she would've climbed the rooftop and ready for Round 2. Both Kidd/Law are already exhausted at the time.
Why didn't she use ACoC vs Law/Kidd? I figured it out. Because both Law/Kidd lacks ACoC so she leveled herself down to even the playing field. She'll never do the same mistake vs Zoro as she's the one who noticed first that Zoro can use ACoC attacks.
@@mushy5960 Fyi, Kidd only has basic CoC.
@@mstr293 she played with her food, and it cost her to lose, you just explained the idiotic side of her I had already extrapolated on
You’re still just explaining her stupidity and justifying it rather than prove why zoro and sanji would lose, if it isn’t someone she has respect for or objectively knows is strong enough to defeat her, she doesn’t actually try to win, like you already explained. But she does, and that’s a fault of hers, her greatest one even, she would underestimate zoro and sanji the same way
😭😭😭😭 you figured it out?! 😭 prove that’s the reason she withheld her coating from kidd and law, and simply saying, she held back to stoop to their level isn’t reasoning or proof, it’s an excuse😭 because from what I saw page one was far weaker than kidd or law, but she coated her punch because she was blinded in anger, which she was not against kidd and law, that being said, this mentality of hers in each respective fight being the discrepancy you’re missing, and finally, none of the “play” with her food explains why she should’ve won that fight, all it explains is she’s cocky and stupid for underestimating her opponents and that was the cause for her loss to begin with, the reality is she lost because of her personality and mentality going into that fight
Gambler is learning from Oda’s recent chapters because he is COOKING RN 🔥🔥🔥
Zoro and Sanji stomps that fodder.
No diff🗣️
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shes not fodder but the do win
@@deron_idk its not a nodiff but they still win
@@animoments8969 ik
respectfully disagree. and big mom hit zoro every time she aimed at him. he never out paced her, he interrupted her while she was AIMIMG at luffy
sanji alone is enough
fosho
He ain't going to simp for her, he'll think she's a man
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Remember when Luffy challenged Big Mom then avoided having smoke with her?
Yeah I think we all know Big Mom would of negged
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