Thanks for the review. I'm really looking forward to Lost Species. We've played loads of Planet X. We play co-operatively against the app (it's the solo game, but with two of us discussing options) and it's very rewarding.
I don't see the reason this went to crowd funding. Renegade didn't need to. There's nothing special or deluxe about the production. This is a pre-order system with high shipping to guarantee you get first release, as it will probably sell out in retail quickly for the first run.
On the topic of messing up the deduction…I like that aspect of Alchemists…you can be wrong about the deduction and still compete, because you can publish with hedged theories. And you can, of course, throw off your opponents as well. It has a good amount of interaction in that way
Thanks a lot man for the preview... really help!!! My issue is not about the game but we are talking about 45$ + 15$ Shipping + around 11$ VAT, more than 70$??? jees this game will cost maz 50$ at the retail... better to wait what you think?
Tiwanaku. Not heard of it myself, but found it by going through all the deduction games of 2022. Just to make it more confusing, his video on it was from back when it was called 'Pachamama'…
I am a KS backer. It should be shipping soon, as it's with the distributor, Fun Again Games, but they screwed up and lost replacement parts. Unless you backed the deluxe KS version, which included a deluxe component so it doesn't need the fix, may want to wait for the second printing that won't have the missing replacement part. They had a lot of mistakes in the production, and now distribution.
Whenever we play deduction games, including Cluedo as a kid, there's always been a very interactive socially generated meta-game of bluffing and bragging, etc. That's probably why I don't fully understand the criticisms of games that don't force interaction. I mean I accept it is a thing because enough gamers raise it as an issue but I've just never experienced it. We're as social playing something like Ark Nova as we are playing party games that force interaction, but I always play with close friends and family rather than strangers at a board game meet or con so that might shape my thinking some.
Best of class, Alex. I don't know how someone could watch this video and not make an informed decision about this game. I mean, short of actually playing it a few times :).
See, i wont even ask if this has dwarves, i know it wont, thats fine. However IMPERIAL MINERS? This has been/will be a crazy month of kickstarters, already up to 6 games and following like 4. I havnt even opened Mythic Mischief yet.
Turing Machine is beautiful if you like deduction games. When you first learn it, there's a Eureka moment when you realise that it's all about working out the one fact that each criterion card is trying to tell you (or each pair of cards in Extreme mode). When you have each of these facts, there is only one possible solution. Very crunchy and quite addictive, especially on Extreme mode, hard level with all six verifiers (so six pairs of criterion cards, where one of each pair is actually not telling you anything).
@jonkirk2118 Question: How many different verifier criteria are there in the game? Are there enough to mix it up from game to game? Also, are the codes only 3 digits - or are there any codes that are more - like 4 or 5 digits? My only fear about the game, after watching a playthrough is that the puzzle will get old after a few plays and continue to be the same over and over. Do you find this not to happen? Thanks.
@@JJ_TheGreat There are millions of puzzles on the official Turing Machine website, using different combinations of the 48 criterion cards (the small cards). The big square cards are verification cards which tell you (via the 125 punched cards' holes showing a tick or a cross) if the three numbers you're testing pass the test for that specific criterion card. Even though there are only 125 combinations of numbers (always 1 to 5 in the three colours), you're never gonna come across the same combination of criterion cards twice and it's the combination of these cards that provides the millions of puzzles, not the 125 solutions. There are three main ways to play the game (standard, extreme and nightmare - I play on extreme now all the time), and you can play with 4, 5 or 6 verifiers, on either easy, medium or hard, with harder puzzles offering less specific information per test. You have to avoid something called the X paradox (they explain this on their website) but once you realise it's all about working out the one fact each criterion card is trying to tell you (and there are several on each criterion card which you have to rule out, leaving just one), that won't be a problem. An example fact is "there are two even numbers". Those criterion cards do not "know" what the three digit solution is. Each just knows the one fact. When you've got all those facts, you can find the only possible three digit solution (the 1 to 5 in the three colours). It's very clever and a lot of fun. On extreme mode, you use pairs of criterion cards, and only one of each pair "knows" the one fact. The other card of the pair is a dummy. This makes for longer games so you spend more time playing and less time setting up and tearing down games. If you only play on easy mode, the games will become too short and you'll spend half the time playing and half setting up/tearing down as you have to find all the cards for the puzzle. They have a very good numbering system though and they're never shuffled. Meeple University have a great tutorial: th-cam.com/video/ESGvF8_Q2zA/w-d-xo.html
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Thanks for the review. I'm really looking forward to Lost Species. We've played loads of Planet X. We play co-operatively against the app (it's the solo game, but with two of us discussing options) and it's very rewarding.
Yes me too!
That's a neat idea
Excited to play this one - but not excited enough to pay KS premium + shipping to get it a few months before retail.
Thanks for the video! Trying decide whether to back or not.. looks fantastic.
I may back this one, although I think the only bonus for backing the KS is that I'll get a copy sooner.
I don't see the reason this went to crowd funding. Renegade didn't need to. There's nothing special or deluxe about the production. This is a pre-order system with high shipping to guarantee you get first release, as it will probably sell out in retail quickly for the first run.
Yep going to pass and can get it later cheaper
I agree. I also passed on the Kickstarter even if it's 100% sure I'll buy the game once in retail.
@@FrancoisLandryCorbin Yes, it's a pass for me, I can get it any time in retail.
Ty for this video!
On the topic of messing up the deduction…I like that aspect of Alchemists…you can be wrong about the deduction and still compete, because you can publish with hedged theories. And you can, of course, throw off your opponents as well. It has a good amount of interaction in that way
Thanks a lot man for the preview... really help!!!
My issue is not about the game but we are talking about 45$ + 15$ Shipping + around 11$ VAT, more than 70$??? jees this game will cost maz 50$ at the retail... better to wait what you think?
I will wait for the retail release.
12:01 So is there room for both Lost Species and Planet X? Or would your recommendation be to skip Planet X and just get Lost Species?
For me, I'd skip Planet X
Alex, what was that second recommendation? It sounded like Tihuanuku but I can’t find it on BGG.
Tiwanaku. Not heard of it myself, but found it by going through all the deduction games of 2022.
Just to make it more confusing, his video on it was from back when it was called 'Pachamama'…
I am a KS backer. It should be shipping soon, as it's with the distributor, Fun Again Games, but they screwed up and lost replacement parts. Unless you backed the deluxe KS version, which included a deluxe component so it doesn't need the fix, may want to wait for the second printing that won't have the missing replacement part. They had a lot of mistakes in the production, and now distribution.
Tiwanuku :)
@@JorWat25 there's also a 2020 game called Tiwanacu
Thank you all :-)
Now I wish we didn’t own Search for Planet X. Theme in this game is a better fit for us
Whenever we play deduction games, including Cluedo as a kid, there's always been a very interactive socially generated meta-game of bluffing and bragging, etc. That's probably why I don't fully understand the criticisms of games that don't force interaction. I mean I accept it is a thing because enough gamers raise it as an issue but I've just never experienced it. We're as social playing something like Ark Nova as we are playing party games that force interaction, but I always play with close friends and family rather than strangers at a board game meet or con so that might shape my thinking some.
Best of class, Alex. I don't know how someone could watch this video and not make an informed decision about this game.
I mean, short of actually playing it a few times :).
See, i wont even ask if this has dwarves, i know it wont, thats fine. However IMPERIAL MINERS? This has been/will be a crazy month of kickstarters, already up to 6 games and following like 4. I havnt even opened Mythic Mischief yet.
17:10 What about Turing Machine??
I haven't played :(
@@BoardGameCoGotcha.
Turing Machine is beautiful if you like deduction games. When you first learn it, there's a Eureka moment when you realise that it's all about working out the one fact that each criterion card is trying to tell you (or each pair of cards in Extreme mode). When you have each of these facts, there is only one possible solution. Very crunchy and quite addictive, especially on Extreme mode, hard level with all six verifiers (so six pairs of criterion cards, where one of each pair is actually not telling you anything).
@jonkirk2118 Question: How many different verifier criteria are there in the game? Are there enough to mix it up from game to game?
Also, are the codes only 3 digits - or are there any codes that are more - like 4 or 5 digits?
My only fear about the game, after watching a playthrough is that the puzzle will get old after a few plays and continue to be the same over and over. Do you find this not to happen?
Thanks.
@@JJ_TheGreat There are millions of puzzles on the official Turing Machine website, using different combinations of the 48 criterion cards (the small cards). The big square cards are verification cards which tell you (via the 125 punched cards' holes showing a tick or a cross) if the three numbers you're testing pass the test for that specific criterion card. Even though there are only 125 combinations of numbers (always 1 to 5 in the three colours), you're never gonna come across the same combination of criterion cards twice and it's the combination of these cards that provides the millions of puzzles, not the 125 solutions. There are three main ways to play the game (standard, extreme and nightmare - I play on extreme now all the time), and you can play with 4, 5 or 6 verifiers, on either easy, medium or hard, with harder puzzles offering less specific information per test. You have to avoid something called the X paradox (they explain this on their website) but once you realise it's all about working out the one fact each criterion card is trying to tell you (and there are several on each criterion card which you have to rule out, leaving just one), that won't be a problem. An example fact is "there are two even numbers". Those criterion cards do not "know" what the three digit solution is. Each just knows the one fact. When you've got all those facts, you can find the only possible three digit solution (the 1 to 5 in the three colours). It's very clever and a lot of fun. On extreme mode, you use pairs of criterion cards, and only one of each pair "knows" the one fact. The other card of the pair is a dummy. This makes for longer games so you spend more time playing and less time setting up and tearing down games. If you only play on easy mode, the games will become too short and you'll spend half the time playing and half setting up/tearing down as you have to find all the cards for the puzzle. They have a very good numbering system though and they're never shuffled. Meeple University have a great tutorial: th-cam.com/video/ESGvF8_Q2zA/w-d-xo.html
16:55 Isn't it TI-WA-NA-KU?
Yes!
16:50 what game is Alex saying? I can't get the name
Tiwanuku