no offense, but it is nothing like an RC car transmitter. I use one with a USB adapter to play arcade games where my sim rig is too much. Wreckfest is great with one.
It's definitely an interesting concept, if the price was lower I definitely think it would be a more viable option for a lot of people especially those with disabilities as you say. Especially for me as I prefer Wired controllers and the chunkier size of the whole thing with mechanical buttons.
Disabled gamer here. This is as close as I will get to a wheel. Why no company has made a wheel with gas and brake controls on it is beyond me. I can’t press pedals down
@@mattmanley7118 You can always get a fanatec wheel base then get a Mclaren GT3 wheel rim, it's one of the cheapest. It's not a full on round wheel, but it has paddles which have gas and break functionality
@@mattmanley7118 actually you can with the Fanatec McLaren V2 wheel. It has two analog paddles in addition to the pale shifters which can be used for gas and brake. Even comes with a standard seeing for it by moving the central knob without remapping. Still way more expensive than this, but if you really want to Sim race with a wheel, you can with that wheel. Not sure if there are any full round wheels with this option, or any other wheel at all.
Note for smoother steering with a joystick: you can push the joy stick up and just move it to the left and right along the edge and it will look smoother. It's pretty hard to get a hold of since you have to constantly remember not to let go but worth it I think if you don't have the money to drop on a new controller like that.
This is the way brother, I play AC on an Xbox one controller and I'm still competitive. It's challenging but I like that. Eventually I'll save up for a Fanatec DDH and a whole setup but for now I'm still burning rubber.
@@Shaggrtoon I just went for a full sim rig with a Fanatec Podium and it feels so. Unbelievably amazing! Save for the the entry level Fanatec DD it’s good enough (or the moza) and you will have so much more fun, it’s just amazing! It’s not only the laptimes that count, it’s the fun!
@@rolux4853 Thanks for taking the time to reply to me :) I'm slightly envious bud, that sounds amazing. So I have a tendency to go big on my projects right? I'm gonna guess the €1500 DD isn't the entry level yeah? Lmao Edit: Fanatec DD2 is the one I'm looking at
I have tried this technique, it is indeed smoother esp at fast speeds but its quite uncomfortable as you have to push your joystick constantly, counter steering is also a bit weird and i would dare to say counter intuitive especially at fast recoveries. Also i think some games does not register it properly and can be unusable. I played that way for couple of weeks but eventually i went back due to listed reasons
Hoki Hoshi Ty for covering this and seeing that it’s an option for someone who physically can’t use pedals . As a disabled individual this is as close to a wheel as I can get . Until someone puts everything consolidated into a single wheel. Gas brake shift up shift down one unit 4 paddle shifters perhaps?
I have one. It is a game changer for me. I absolutely love it. I play all the sims except iRacing and it is great in all of them. I cannot recommend it enough. I am slightly disabled, I have a good wheel and pedals but find them exhausting to use so tend to fall back on controllers. This Thrustmaster is perfect for me.
I never knew this controller existed and tbh I was interested just with being able to swap out sticks as they wear, rather than replacing an entire controller. I can 100% see using this when I'm too lazy to want to drag my sim racing chassis out.
I have shaved seconds of all of my lap times in multiple games thanks to this controller and as I get more and more practice with it they can only get better again. Took me a few hours to get the right knack but once ai did, WOW. I’m definitely thankful for the eBay seller who clearly hated it and put it up for sale - the limited edition Forza one too.
I have found that hall effect joysticks are so much better than traditional analog sticks. A good hall effect controller costs like $70 and will never suffer from controller drift. At most you have to recalibrate the controller but that takes seconds.
I'm seriously considering getting one for times i don't feel like using the rig or for more arcade focused games. Thought it would be a poor gimmick, but both failrace and slaptrain liked it as well.
I just recently started driving on the SRP map and after testing different controller settings have found one reasonably comfortable. I too use an XBOX One game pad, but I travel for work…a lot. And this might be a great alternative. It’s relaxing to cruise in between flights and on long flights…and I can’t take a sim rig with me.
Thank-you.... I've read a few reviews on this controller and yours is, by far, the most informative. I think I'm sold on the idea. I don't have enough room for a proper sim rig so this seems a good substitute. Thanks!
OMG….I love 💕 your style. The sentence that this module is NOT in competition with a wheel but a add to Gamepads -> makes my day 🎉. You are one of my TOP Creators….THX
First thing that came to my mind was would this module help those in the AC community who don't have a wheel and makes me happy to see that there's a plausible chance it could make a positive impact (if not for the price of the full controller w/module being nearly half or 2/3rd the way to the cost of some entry level wheel options).
Ok but the two key phrases there are “2/3” and “entry level.” This is still a less expensive way to get better control, plus it’s not useless in other games like a wheel is since it’s attached to a standard controller (and a very good one at that). Why would someone who doesn’t want a competitive sim setup buy a giant bottom-of-the-line wheel rig when they can have a versatile controller instead?
@@james-m-8285 If you want to play sim racing games the wheel and pedals is a must. It's not that expensive. Eswap x pro is around 160$, and you can find used T150 wheel for the same price.
It's heartwarming to hear that this device is opening the genre to those suffering from disability. For so many it is a source of decompression, growth, and community
You can already use the regular controler to stick to do a similar movement to the wheel, just push you stick forward and roll it around the rim and it has a similar effect. Ive been doing it for years.
A note on Assetto Corsa. As a wheel user, who also uses a gamepad when my illness is kicking me or I need to stay quiet not to wake up my daughter, the gamepad controls changed for me drastically when I got... GamepadFX, with the GT4 assist, made AC feel, at least to me, better than pretty much anything (including GranTurismo) other than Horizon.
I have one and it is very good, I prefer to use the joystick though, about a second faster for me (joystick) so there's not much in it. The controller overall is better than the xbox controller.
I bought one after watching Hoki's first video - I play a lot of Horizon and in FH5 it's no better than the analogue stick. I'm a drifter mainly, so maybe racers find it more useful, but it just feels like a gimmick to me. The same kind of jerky adjustments you make when drifting with the analogue stick in RWD cars are there with the wheel module too. It doesn't feel any smoother. I don't know if anyone else realised this, but I didn't before I got it - the wheel only moves 90 degrees. It doesn't rotate 360(or even 1080) like a sim wheel. You maybe realised this already but I didn't notice it in Hoki's video so I was expecting full rotation of the wheel. But it just traces a quarter-circle, and I'm not sure it does anything different mechanically from the analogue stick itself, since the analogue stick also traces a quarter circle when moved left to right(place the xbox pad flat on a table and keep your eyes level with the table, then move the analogue stick left and right and you can see this is true) My recommendation would be to get an Elite pad instead. This controller is nice, and I love Horizon so I'm a sucker for Horizon merch, but its main feature feels gimmicky. It's also outrageously expensive and can't be used wirelessly.
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
08:13 Those "joysticks" where the norm in the Commodore 64 era. An obvious influence from the arcades. It was the Nintendo invention of the D-pad which changed things.
I bought it last week, partly after watching your review video. Unless I'm missing something, the 'wheel', basically the whole reason I got it, isn't any more sensitive than the analogue stick it replaces, and I was both surprised and very disappointed to discover(again, AFAICT) that the 'wheel' only rotates 180 degrees. I had assumed - maybe I was naive - that the wheel would have at least 360 degree rotation, maybe even 720 or 1080. But it doesn't. It's absolutely no different from moving the analogue stick left and right. All it has done is moved the arc of the analogue stick's half-circle travel from being perpendicular with the controller, to being parallel. I've been meaning to get a new controller since I've been through _five_ Series X controllers since the console came out, so in that sense it's not a massive financial regret - but it is a very big disappointment. Anyone who's expecting/hoping that the 'wheel' will act like a scaled down version of a real wheel that you rotate with your thumb, be warned that it's really just a different way of moving the analogue stick. I'm not even sure it's any more sensitive for driving. In fact, if you think about it, racing game developers could just use the analgue stick as a wheel, in the sense that one full rotation of the stick would be one rotation of the wheel. In this imaginary scenario the stick wouldn't recenter like a wheel, as that would mean the stick would have to come to rest pointing 'upwards' rather than just spring back into the middle as it does now. But it would at least have more sensitivity in principle than this gimmicky controller, and it would at least be capable of a full rotation of the wheel. My advice is avoid this, avoid it _big time,_ and get an Elite controller instead. This is something that you'll use once or twice then never again. Also...it's wired.
Pretty sure the point of it is just to give you more travel to each side so you have better fine input. It is absolutely not the same as moving an analog stick left and right. The base of the stock Xbox one pad stick only moves half a centimetre to each side, I can't measure this module but it moves so much more.
@@joaopaulo-ms5it No, that's what I thought at first, but the analogue stick traces out a semi circular arc in physical space in the same way as the wheel. Like I said, that arc is just perpendicular to the pad rather than flush against it like the arc traced by the wheel module is. The stick doesn't just move left and right, it moves left and down, and right and down, because the stick itself is mounted on a ball. So the amount of fine control this wheel gives you compared to the stick is minimal. It may give you a little more, but the stick is not made for fine control and the movement left and right with the stick has a huge number of dead zones, and those dead zones are built into the controller's software, they don't go away when you plonk a gimmicky wheel on the top instead. All the wheel does is lurch through those dead zones a little more slowly and tentatively, which makes very little difference, as you can tell in practice if you use it to drift RWD.
@@wiegraf9009 I think it probably would too, our thumbs aren't really built for it. But I'd like to have had the option, at the very least for a full rotation, maybe more. If it h ad given me that option, and if that option had actually made my drifting(especially in RWD cars) smoother, I might have considered shifting the way I grip the pad completely, in order to take advantage of the finer control. But hey ho. Maybe next generation MS can think about different solutions to this problem in a new pad, with new software.
@@thesprawl2361 I don't understand what you mean. To steer you move the stick straight left and right. That's 0,5 centimetres of travel to each side. This thing looks like it moves about 90º to each side which probably equates to several centimetres. How can the fine control gain be so minimal? Why compare the internals of a regular stick to this? They won't be the same.
I'm thinking of my Commodore64 and how I'd change interface device depending on the game, but if not the single button joystick, it was usually the trackball. Once I found KB/M I never looked back. It's nice to see the controller jockeys getting some love.
Interesting concept but I found that holding the left stick upward and steering left and right using the center as my dead zone works out really well as long as you fine tune the controller sensitivity in the settings. Wonder if this has that same feel which beats making micro adjustments on a centered stick like most probably play.
As someone who had multiple world records on controller on various games over the years and who now loves using a wheel but HATES xbox controllers... This looks fucking awesome tbh! What a convenient middle ground. It's most of the benefit of a wheel with all the convenience of a controller. You really do sometimes wanna sit back and chill as you play, a wheel doesn't let you do that at all.
I have this controller i will say its definitely interesting i love it does take time to get used to it but will definitely need to mess with the settings in the app for the controller
the comparison i personally made with this module to actual sim wheels in the last video was the cost.. if it were more affordable it would be an obvious option for anyone wanting to get a more in depth racing experience without dishing out the money for entry level wheels. but because you can get a cheap wheel for a similar cost, its hard to recommend this solely for racing unless its to someone without the space or some other accessibility issue for a sim wheel setup.
This module is basically an idea that was first executed in 1998 by Namco. And as they may had noticed already back then, that wasn't the correct route to go for more precise analog control in a gamepad. Their previous analog controller, the NeGcon, was much better and more intuitive to use. A controller that still sees some use today, unlike the Jogcon with the weird (force feedback!) wheel in the middle. I really want to see a modern twist controller. It would be perfect for playing sims without a steering wheel.
holeee sheet and i thought i was the only one! Just 1 day late lol! Doffs cap! I have 2 having recnetly found my other Negcon! I also have the Jogcon which i found impossible to play!!! I too hunted high and low for some mysterious xbx controller addon thingamajig so that i could try using the negcon for either the PS2 or PS3!!!!!! wipEout and was hoping it would improve my chances of trophies in GT5 and wipEout etc!!!! Same as you the Negcon was THE BEST handsdown analogue steering device! for consoles! and same as you i just wish either namco or sony revive the tech in it!.... I know its namco owned and ive always dreamed of a dualshock negcon mashup if...... i dont know if the sony engineers ever bought namco engineers or if PD guys ever noticed the negcon! there is deffo innovation left in controllers
@@antwango The NeG is actually natively compatitible with PS2, and works on PS3 and PC with an USB adapter as well. Not a lot of games on the PS2 supported it anymore, but at least all the GT games do
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
Pro-tip for poor people like me about the wobbly steering: You can simply steer by circle instead straight. You push your joystick to the front and use it as a "90° wheel module from Wish"
I'm absolutely going to pick one of these up! I love sim racing on my cockpit setup, but it's such a pain in the ass to set up on my PC, since my PC isn't a dedicated sim racing PC, it's hooked up to my living room TV. So I do play some racing games with a gamepad, especially Forza series, whether it be Horizon or Motorsport. I feel this this pad will be the best of both worlds. Hell I may even try it on an iRacing A.I. race!
I could even imagine later iterations of this controller featuring force feedback of some sort! Just little nudges to better help you know what the tires are doing!
That's the one main reason why "sixaxis" and motion control for GT7 (and Sport) work so damnn well. I remember the days of JoyCon where the controller twisted to turn
I curious to know how well it works with motorcycle games - Since this wheel probably has zero forward/backwards tilt which some motocyle games require. Thanks for sharing!
I keep both analog sticks on aswell as the wheel. I use the wheel with my left thumb and for most car racing my right thumb simutaneously operates the clutch (R) analog and handbrake (L) analog with ease. I havent tried my motorcycle sims yet but I'm confident that I'll be able to operate the "Weight shift" in the same manner. I have most of the biking sims so as soon as I re-download them, will test.
I just picked this up about a week ago. This controller has a tendency to have issues with some games. While it worked fine with Assetto Corsa and f1 24, it caused hard PC crashes on ACC and Moto GP 21 for me. Basically once the race officially started, my PC would basically shut down and reboot when the XR Pro was plugged in. I've read that some people said if you turn off the rumble feature in most games that should fix the issue but that wasn't the case for me with those titles. I believe there is some driver conflict with the Thrustmaster software and certain games. Just wanted to give others a heads up..
I got the controller last week and its such a good feel once i got adjusted out of the xbox shape. Hoping to get the wheel module soon! I will be probably playing more arcadic fictional titles like Distance (if i can get away with not using the Y input), GRIP and Flatout.
Would be interesting to see how this would with motorcycle games like motoGP or Ride. I've always found them the most difficult style of racing games to be precise when turning. It would take away the weight transfer controls, but might be worth it...
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
Surprised being from that era, he didnt bring up the obvious inspiration for this pad...... unless he wasnt a fan of PS1 or Namco racing games, then the device wouldve been really niche and rare..... The Namco Negcon is THE BEST racing devised pad EVER that i have tried to find ways of working for PS2 / PS3 / PS4 lol im sure when i get round to it if want to the PS5.... But its not even the Negcon that this device takes its inspiration from but the sequel to the Negcon the Namco Jogcon! Which I didnt find as easy or as accessible, maybe because of the placement of the wheel which is placed dead centre of the pad! Anyway Negcon was an accessory made by Namco for PS1's CyberSled and Ridge Racer and Ace Combat series! And if you imagine the remote control car gun type controllers back in the day, it was intuitivly like that but even more ergonomic! I have been wishing either Namco or Sony revive this device! I think Namco owns the patent or design and Sonys dualshock killed Namcos Negcon through eventual updates! Also the Jogcon isnt the only precursor to this type of mini wheel control scheme and because theres a few videos on youtube of people modding the PS1 era Negcon to work on up to PS3 playing wipEout, i did tons of research looking for a Negcon alternative like experience.... there are a few PS2 / PS3 3rd party madcatz i think like pads out there..... i just wish there was a similar official Sony or GT pad out there that did this
I use PS4 controller with all the sim racing games I have (AC, ACC, BeanNG, FH5, FH4 and DirtRally 2.0) just use the gyro to steer and you will be so good like wheel.
The biggest difference will probably be with FWD cars. In Forza Horizon controller assist often works against player when driving with controller, while in Dirt Rally and AC it's tone down making cars more controllable, but because of that FWD cars are very understeery, all way to complete lockup even during mild manouvers.
Pretty cool an great video! But I'll stick with my force feedback wheel ^-^ It's not really an immersive "Driving/Racing Sim experience" if you're not on one, especially in VR.
we need to continue to publicize A7assist for assetto corsa. i’ve only ever played on xbox controller and it is absolutely fantastic for drifting and intense driving. more people should know about it, hell it should be automatically installed by content manager
Also, without mods, i've finally gotten assetto corsa to drive pretty damn nice with regular gamepad AND without having to swap setting dependent on the type of server im joining. its bizarre having the extra sim feel on gamepad
(Seeing my pfp, you already know what I'm gonna talk about..) The fact someone can have better control on Rocket League using that controller, absolutely stuns me. It really tempts me to buy it, and try it out in Rocket League... sounds fun.
I havea sim rig but I would be very interested to see how this would work in a motorcycle racing game like Ride 4 or RiMS Racing, I really want to like bike racing games, and would love to play them more but I struggle with them on realistic settings with a controller and it just becomes frustrating rather than fun.
honestly with how small the "wheel" is if you scaled the force feedback to match just a single servo under the wheel itself could maybe provide the right force
Wonder how you would do holding the controller like an RC trigger style remote? Steer with your right hand, hold it in your left, use the rear triggers for gas and brake.
Honestly it feels like the red dial on the logitech series wheels just a tad smoother. Still has that slight clunk to it. I feel like if the made it with springs to self center when released vs it being a tap over like a joystick it would actually be mildly enjoyable. And switch from the tiny stepper gears to something similar to a potimeter it could become really smooth for users. As of now its really not much different then the attachment that connects to the joystick with a lil steering wheel on it. The ones that are typically just 3d printed
if you don't already need a new controller you could buy a used logi for the same price but it dose have the convince upside its fairly common for people not to use thare wheel much just cus thay have to set up and unset it up every time they use the wheel.
I have to disagree with everyone that says Assetto Corsa with a controller is a disaster, the default settings are. I play Assetto Corsa on PC with a controller and my experince is near Forza Motorsport, the only difference being the handling model and physics that are different, and all because I found my perfect settings for Xbox One/Series controller, this simple. If anyone want to try, these are the values: Speed Sensivity: 45% Steering Speed: 10% Gamma: 3 Filter: 0.65
Hey man, I don't know if you plan on covering more games, but I think that 2 games that would be super interesting to see the controller on are Art of Rally and Car X Drift! Great video btw!
You can use it whatever layout you choose without any complicated setup. Just pop it into the layout you wish on the fly and it is instantly ready to go, when using the wheel and both analog sticks the DPAD function is automatically assigned to buttons on the back of the controller which are surprisingly intuitive and work well.
Is it know if the module control spec is controlled with a standard scratch potentiometer or did Thrustmaster opt for the more reliable hall effect or optical sensor?
Absolutely! It's called "roll steering" (as opposed to "tap steering".) This module, to me anyway, feels overwhelmingly easier than roll steering with a joystick. I think of the module kind of like a modified joystick that just makes roll steering easier
Does your vibration work? in the thrustmapper app it shows the controller has trigger and wing vibration settings but there isnt any actual trigger vibration/response. The vibration feels very weak in all games ive tried it in compared to a normal xbox controller and it also feels uneven. The left side has a slower, harder rotation while the right side feels quicker but its very soft. Is this how theyre suppose to be? Im really curious if this is how it should be operating. The vibration test in the app never replicates its "test strength" in any game ive tried. It feels like kind of a miss compared to the feed back of a normal xbox controller. The feed back on those generates a better feel as to what the cars tires are experiencing like slipping, bumps, etc. For the price point I was really kina expecting that level of quality but I dont feel it.
My thumb i feel is to fat and my hands tend to clam up, im always adjusting my hand if its resting in a certain position for a while. This sounds like a cool concept but i dont think it would work for me
I wish you would try it with something like Trackmania (it is free to play) you don't need to buy club acces. I really am curious to see how it would perform on that game. Thank you for the video. Subscribed.
I got one of these the other day - i wish it had an acceleration module too - i tried it in the right slot and remapping accel/brake in forza23 but it still steers so just drives in circles - what a shame
There needs to be another module that acts like a joystick that only goes side to side in the form of a spring loaded "roller" kinda like a sideways mousewheel.
hey is the wheel module registered as a wheel in dr2.0 or as a joystick input? Because if it’s a joystick input it will have all the same filters too. In some games like ACC you can go much further in eliminating the filters than in dr2.0 i know because I have been experimenting a lot with gyro steering on DS5 controller.
Would be nice to get more experimental or tailored controllers that weren't all $200. I feel this thing is marketed towards players like me. But I'm not dropping another $200 on a controller that, besides it being CAPABLE of being used as a normal controller. I would much rather use the other controller I already spent $200 on, the elite 2.
Hi. Do you know if the 'wheel module' part of this controller can work with socket for the PS4 eSwap controller version? Is it compatible for play games?
RC car enthusiasts have enjoyed this style input for sometime, I am glad it's finally made it to a controller.
but you can't use one hand for accelerator and brake in controller
no offense, but it is nothing like an RC car transmitter. I use one with a USB adapter to play arcade games where my sim rig is too much. Wreckfest is great with one.
@@labpong7562 I disagree as a long time user of both. They are not that dissimilar
That's not really my point but true.
@@labpong7562 hwere did you get the adapter? did you make it yourself?
It's definitely an interesting concept, if the price was lower I definitely think it would be a more viable option for a lot of people especially those with disabilities as you say.
Especially for me as I prefer Wired controllers and the chunkier size of the whole thing with mechanical buttons.
Disabled gamer here. This is as close as I will get to a wheel. Why no company has made a wheel with gas and brake controls on it is beyond me. I can’t press pedals down
@@mattmanley7118 You can always get a fanatec wheel base then get a Mclaren GT3 wheel rim, it's one of the cheapest. It's not a full on round wheel, but it has paddles which have gas and break functionality
@@mattmanley7118 actually you can with the Fanatec McLaren V2 wheel. It has two analog paddles in addition to the pale shifters which can be used for gas and brake. Even comes with a standard seeing for it by moving the central knob without remapping.
Still way more expensive than this, but if you really want to Sim race with a wheel, you can with that wheel. Not sure if there are any full round wheels with this option, or any other wheel at all.
@@brunoswordreally? Hmmm I’ll look into it. It’s certainly an untapped market
@@Kaylos29interesting
Note for smoother steering with a joystick: you can push the joy stick up and just move it to the left and right along the edge and it will look smoother. It's pretty hard to get a hold of since you have to constantly remember not to let go but worth it I think if you don't have the money to drop on a new controller like that.
I swear I thought I was the only one, seeing how other people play on controller
This is the way brother, I play AC on an Xbox one controller and I'm still competitive. It's challenging but I like that. Eventually I'll save up for a Fanatec DDH and a whole setup but for now I'm still burning rubber.
@@Shaggrtoon I just went for a full sim rig with a Fanatec Podium and it feels so. Unbelievably amazing!
Save for the the entry level Fanatec DD it’s good enough (or the moza) and you will have so much more fun, it’s just amazing!
It’s not only the laptimes that count, it’s the fun!
@@rolux4853 Thanks for taking the time to reply to me :) I'm slightly envious bud, that sounds amazing. So I have a tendency to go big on my projects right? I'm gonna guess the €1500 DD isn't the entry level yeah? Lmao
Edit: Fanatec DD2 is the one I'm looking at
I have tried this technique, it is indeed smoother esp at fast speeds but its quite uncomfortable as you have to push your joystick constantly, counter steering is also a bit weird and i would dare to say counter intuitive especially at fast recoveries.
Also i think some games does not register it properly and can be unusable.
I played that way for couple of weeks but eventually i went back due to listed reasons
Hoki Hoshi Ty for covering this and seeing that it’s an option for someone who physically can’t use pedals . As a disabled individual this is as close to a wheel as I can get . Until someone puts everything consolidated into a single wheel. Gas brake shift up shift down one unit 4 paddle shifters perhaps?
I know that there are some F1 style wheels that have dual clutches on the wheel next to the paddles. I wonder if you can map those to gas and brakes?
I guess it's diy time!
@@nyox999if I was handy I’d so do something
@@loganbussell4855perhaps I’d have to get a wheel loaned to me to try but it’s an open niche market this little module is a start
@@mattmanley7118 tbh most stuff is pretty easy for that application, just need an idea of how you would do it
I have one. It is a game changer for me. I absolutely love it. I play all the sims except iRacing and it is great in all of them. I cannot recommend it enough. I am slightly disabled, I have a good wheel and pedals but find them exhausting to use so tend to fall back on controllers. This Thrustmaster is perfect for me.
I think it's great that more options are out there. More options pretty much always just benefit the customer.
I never knew this controller existed and tbh I was interested just with being able to swap out sticks as they wear, rather than replacing an entire controller. I can 100% see using this when I'm too lazy to want to drag my sim racing chassis out.
I have shaved seconds of all of my lap times in multiple games thanks to this controller and as I get more and more practice with it they can only get better again. Took me a few hours to get the right knack but once ai did, WOW. I’m definitely thankful for the eBay seller who clearly hated it and put it up for sale - the limited edition Forza one too.
What the fuck?
I have found that hall effect joysticks are so much better than traditional analog sticks. A good hall effect controller costs like $70 and will never suffer from controller drift. At most you have to recalibrate the controller but that takes seconds.
I'm seriously considering getting one for times i don't feel like using the rig or for more arcade focused games. Thought it would be a poor gimmick, but both failrace and slaptrain liked it as well.
I just recently started driving on the SRP map and after testing different controller settings have found one reasonably comfortable. I too use an XBOX One game pad, but I travel for work…a lot. And this might be a great alternative. It’s relaxing to cruise in between flights and on long flights…and I can’t take a sim rig with me.
Oh man, you brought me back with that NFS on a flight stick comment. I used to play NFS3 on PC with a flight stick also!
Thank-you.... I've read a few reviews on this controller and yours is, by far, the most informative. I think I'm sold on the idea. I don't have enough room for a proper sim rig so this seems a good substitute. Thanks!
OMG….I love 💕 your style. The sentence that this module is NOT in competition with a wheel but a add to Gamepads -> makes my day 🎉.
You are one of my TOP Creators….THX
First thing that came to my mind was would this module help those in the AC community who don't have a wheel and makes me happy to see that there's a plausible chance it could make a positive impact (if not for the price of the full controller w/module being nearly half or 2/3rd the way to the cost of some entry level wheel options).
A solid gyro controller is arguably a better option. They even had one for Xbox back in the day, xbox speed wheel.
@@Bonkikavo I freakin loved my speed wheel back in the day, always wondered if it could be supported on new consoles
@@Synthyus Works for me on PC. With all the emulation happening these days you could use it with almost everything up to ps3.
Ok but the two key phrases there are “2/3” and “entry level.” This is still a less expensive way to get better control, plus it’s not useless in other games like a wheel is since it’s attached to a standard controller (and a very good one at that). Why would someone who doesn’t want a competitive sim setup buy a giant bottom-of-the-line wheel rig when they can have a versatile controller instead?
@@james-m-8285 If you want to play sim racing games the wheel and pedals is a must. It's not that expensive. Eswap x pro is around 160$, and you can find used T150 wheel for the same price.
It's heartwarming to hear that this device is opening the genre to those suffering from disability. For so many it is a source of decompression, growth, and community
Great review. Love the disability innovation report.
I know it's not that impressive but I was happy to set a top 8000 time in the Baku time trial in F1 22 with this wheel
You can already use the regular controler to stick to do a similar movement to the wheel, just push you stick forward and roll it around the rim and it has a similar effect. Ive been doing it for years.
Same but I keep needing new controllers because sticks go out. I want to know how these things were built and how the quality was.
Finally, I found the video that answered all of my questions, thank you for the helpful video.
I played TFC with a Madcatz Panther XL and was unbeatable.
Nice vid, gamepads are not really my thing but this thing is pretty cool.
A note on Assetto Corsa. As a wheel user, who also uses a gamepad when my illness is kicking me or I need to stay quiet not to wake up my daughter, the gamepad controls changed for me drastically when I got...
GamepadFX, with the GT4 assist, made AC feel, at least to me, better than pretty much anything (including GranTurismo) other than Horizon.
Another good alternative is actually using a rc transmitter, it still ain’t gonna beat a wheel but the steering on there is extremely intuitive.
great review. and well done explaining the controller connection in Dirt and Forza.
I mostly want to see if this is better than the traditional thumbstick for Horizon, so I'll be looking forward to that next video you mention.
I have one and it is very good, I prefer to use the joystick though, about a second faster for me (joystick) so there's not much in it. The controller overall is better than the xbox controller.
I bought one after watching Hoki's first video - I play a lot of Horizon and in FH5 it's no better than the analogue stick. I'm a drifter mainly, so maybe racers find it more useful, but it just feels like a gimmick to me. The same kind of jerky adjustments you make when drifting with the analogue stick in RWD cars are there with the wheel module too. It doesn't feel any smoother.
I don't know if anyone else realised this, but I didn't before I got it - the wheel only moves 90 degrees. It doesn't rotate 360(or even 1080) like a sim wheel. You maybe realised this already but I didn't notice it in Hoki's video so I was expecting full rotation of the wheel. But it just traces a quarter-circle, and I'm not sure it does anything different mechanically from the analogue stick itself, since the analogue stick also traces a quarter circle when moved left to right(place the xbox pad flat on a table and keep your eyes level with the table, then move the analogue stick left and right and you can see this is true)
My recommendation would be to get an Elite pad instead. This controller is nice, and I love Horizon so I'm a sucker for Horizon merch, but its main feature feels gimmicky. It's also outrageously expensive and can't be used wirelessly.
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
I like this idea. Hopefully manufacturers take this idea and expand on it instead of letting it die after 1 try.
Great followup video! I'm glad you tested it in AC for me, cuz i wanted to, but have been a bit hesitant! Now imma do it!
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
08:13 Those "joysticks" where the norm in the Commodore 64 era. An obvious influence from the arcades. It was the Nintendo invention of the D-pad which changed things.
I bought it last week, partly after watching your review video. Unless I'm missing something, the 'wheel', basically the whole reason I got it, isn't any more sensitive than the analogue stick it replaces, and I was both surprised and very disappointed to discover(again, AFAICT) that the 'wheel' only rotates 180 degrees. I had assumed - maybe I was naive - that the wheel would have at least 360 degree rotation, maybe even 720 or 1080. But it doesn't. It's absolutely no different from moving the analogue stick left and right. All it has done is moved the arc of the analogue stick's half-circle travel from being perpendicular with the controller, to being parallel.
I've been meaning to get a new controller since I've been through _five_ Series X controllers since the console came out, so in that sense it's not a massive financial regret - but it is a very big disappointment. Anyone who's expecting/hoping that the 'wheel' will act like a scaled down version of a real wheel that you rotate with your thumb, be warned that it's really just a different way of moving the analogue stick. I'm not even sure it's any more sensitive for driving.
In fact, if you think about it, racing game developers could just use the analgue stick as a wheel, in the sense that one full rotation of the stick would be one rotation of the wheel. In this imaginary scenario the stick wouldn't recenter like a wheel, as that would mean the stick would have to come to rest pointing 'upwards' rather than just spring back into the middle as it does now. But it would at least have more sensitivity in principle than this gimmicky controller, and it would at least be capable of a full rotation of the wheel.
My advice is avoid this, avoid it _big time,_ and get an Elite controller instead. This is something that you'll use once or twice then never again. Also...it's wired.
Pretty sure the point of it is just to give you more travel to each side so you have better fine input. It is absolutely not the same as moving an analog stick left and right. The base of the stock Xbox one pad stick only moves half a centimetre to each side, I can't measure this module but it moves so much more.
@@joaopaulo-ms5it No, that's what I thought at first, but the analogue stick traces out a semi circular arc in physical space in the same way as the wheel. Like I said, that arc is just perpendicular to the pad rather than flush against it like the arc traced by the wheel module is. The stick doesn't just move left and right, it moves left and down, and right and down, because the stick itself is mounted on a ball.
So the amount of fine control this wheel gives you compared to the stick is minimal. It may give you a little more, but the stick is not made for fine control and the movement left and right with the stick has a huge number of dead zones, and those dead zones are built into the controller's software, they don't go away when you plonk a gimmicky wheel on the top instead. All the wheel does is lurch through those dead zones a little more slowly and tentatively, which makes very little difference, as you can tell in practice if you use it to drift RWD.
I had the same thought originally, but if there were more rotation it would strain your thumb. It's kind of a problem with the idea.
@@wiegraf9009 I think it probably would too, our thumbs aren't really built for it. But I'd like to have had the option, at the very least for a full rotation, maybe more. If it h ad given me that option, and if that option had actually made my drifting(especially in RWD cars) smoother, I might have considered shifting the way I grip the pad completely, in order to take advantage of the finer control. But hey ho.
Maybe next generation MS can think about different solutions to this problem in a new pad, with new software.
@@thesprawl2361 I don't understand what you mean. To steer you move the stick straight left and right. That's 0,5 centimetres of travel to each side. This thing looks like it moves about 90º to each side which probably equates to several centimetres. How can the fine control gain be so minimal?
Why compare the internals of a regular stick to this? They won't be the same.
I'm thinking of my Commodore64 and how I'd change interface device depending on the game, but if not the single button joystick, it was usually the trackball. Once I found KB/M I never looked back. It's nice to see the controller jockeys getting some love.
Raceroom has something similar on sale on their shop for a few years, 12 euros and can be used with 2 fingers
Interesting concept but I found that holding the left stick upward and steering left and right using the center as my dead zone works out really well as long as you fine tune the controller sensitivity in the settings. Wonder if this has that same feel which beats making micro adjustments on a centered stick like most probably play.
It doesn't really.
As someone who had multiple world records on controller on various games over the years and who now loves using a wheel but HATES xbox controllers... This looks fucking awesome tbh! What a convenient middle ground. It's most of the benefit of a wheel with all the convenience of a controller. You really do sometimes wanna sit back and chill as you play, a wheel doesn't let you do that at all.
There was the namco negcon back in the ps1 days, the twisting racing controller. Was pretty good as I recall.
Shame that it doesnt exist anymore
this module has been lost tech from the 90s, remember seeing this on a third-party controller for ps1 and early ps2
I have this controller i will say its definitely interesting i love it does take time to get used to it but will definitely need to mess with the settings in the app for the controller
the comparison i personally made with this module to actual sim wheels in the last video was the cost.. if it were more affordable it would be an obvious option for anyone wanting to get a more in depth racing experience without dishing out the money for entry level wheels. but because you can get a cheap wheel for a similar cost, its hard to recommend this solely for racing unless its to someone without the space or some other accessibility issue for a sim wheel setup.
posted my comment before realizing everyones saying the same shit lol
gyro controls in games like assetto corsa give you unbelievable amounts of control. Nintendo controllers and PS4/PS5 controllers both have gyro
yes i use this. the downside is ofc no ffb
@@toshidaboshi yeah and sadly no controller manufacture will ever explore emulating ffb with gyro controllers
This module is basically an idea that was first executed in 1998 by Namco.
And as they may had noticed already back then, that wasn't the correct route to go for more precise analog control in a gamepad.
Their previous analog controller, the NeGcon, was much better and more intuitive to use. A controller that still sees some use today, unlike the Jogcon with the weird (force feedback!) wheel in the middle.
I really want to see a modern twist controller. It would be perfect for playing sims without a steering wheel.
holeee sheet and i thought i was the only one! Just 1 day late lol! Doffs cap! I have 2 having recnetly found my other Negcon! I also have the Jogcon which i found impossible to play!!! I too hunted high and low for some mysterious xbx controller addon thingamajig so that i could try using the negcon for either the PS2 or PS3!!!!!! wipEout and was hoping it would improve my chances of trophies in GT5 and wipEout etc!!!!
Same as you the Negcon was THE BEST handsdown analogue steering device! for consoles! and same as you i just wish either namco or sony revive the tech in it!.... I know its namco owned and ive always dreamed of a dualshock negcon mashup if...... i dont know if the sony engineers ever bought namco engineers or if PD guys ever noticed the negcon!
there is deffo innovation left in controllers
@@antwango The NeG is actually natively compatitible with PS2, and works on PS3 and PC with an USB adapter as well.
Not a lot of games on the PS2 supported it anymore, but at least all the GT games do
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
Would be keen to try a motorcycle game with this.
Pro-tip for poor people like me about the wobbly steering:
You can simply steer by circle instead straight. You push your joystick to the front and use it as a "90° wheel module from Wish"
called “rolling”
I'm absolutely going to pick one of these up! I love sim racing on my cockpit setup, but it's such a pain in the ass to set up on my PC, since my PC isn't a dedicated sim racing PC, it's hooked up to my living room TV. So I do play some racing games with a gamepad, especially Forza series, whether it be Horizon or Motorsport. I feel this this pad will be the best of both worlds. Hell I may even try it on an iRacing A.I. race!
I could even imagine later iterations of this controller featuring force feedback of some sort! Just little nudges to better help you know what the tires are doing!
That's the one main reason why "sixaxis" and motion control for GT7 (and Sport) work so damnn well.
I remember the days of JoyCon where the controller twisted to turn
with joystick for steering, your finger is hard to hold steady for a turning wheel angle, thats why the wheels are wobbling
bruh rolling the sticks feels more comfortable than that lol, cool concept tho
One of the best things ever for a racing game on a controller. Idk why no one thought of this before.
I curious to know how well it works with motorcycle games - Since this wheel probably has zero forward/backwards tilt which some motocyle games require. Thanks for sharing!
I keep both analog sticks on aswell as the wheel. I use the wheel with my left thumb and for most car racing my right thumb simutaneously operates the clutch (R) analog and handbrake (L) analog with ease. I havent tried my motorcycle sims yet but I'm confident that I'll be able to operate the "Weight shift" in the same manner. I have most of the biking sims so as soon as I re-download them, will test.
I just picked this up about a week ago. This controller has a tendency to have issues with some games. While it worked fine with Assetto Corsa and f1 24, it caused hard PC crashes on ACC and Moto GP 21 for me. Basically once the race officially started, my PC would basically shut down and reboot when the XR Pro was plugged in. I've read that some people said if you turn off the rumble feature in most games that should fix the issue but that wasn't the case for me with those titles. I believe there is some driver conflict with the Thrustmaster software and certain games. Just wanted to give others a heads up..
This will definitely come in clutch when I’m feeling too lazy for the sim rig
I got the controller last week and its such a good feel once i got adjusted out of the xbox shape. Hoping to get the wheel module soon!
I will be probably playing more arcadic fictional titles like Distance (if i can get away with not using the Y input), GRIP and Flatout.
Would be interesting to see how this would with motorcycle games like motoGP or Ride. I've always found them the most difficult style of racing games to be precise when turning. It would take away the weight transfer controls, but might be worth it...
The precision with this controller is amazing.. It has only 95* left to right but honestly feels like 270* for precision then when quick contersteering is required it can feel like its only 35* to turn.... Game changer, literally. I have a FFB wheel but mostly I drive with controller and this one has given me the edge that a wheel can provide whilst also being much quicker for counter steering.
Surprised being from that era, he didnt bring up the obvious inspiration for this pad...... unless he wasnt a fan of PS1 or Namco racing games, then the device wouldve been really niche and rare..... The Namco Negcon is THE BEST racing devised pad EVER that i have tried to find ways of working for PS2 / PS3 / PS4 lol im sure when i get round to it if want to the PS5....
But its not even the Negcon that this device takes its inspiration from but the sequel to the Negcon the Namco Jogcon! Which I didnt find as easy or as accessible, maybe because of the placement of the wheel which is placed dead centre of the pad!
Anyway Negcon was an accessory made by Namco for PS1's CyberSled and Ridge Racer and Ace Combat series! And if you imagine the remote control car gun type controllers back in the day, it was intuitivly like that but even more ergonomic!
I have been wishing either Namco or Sony revive this device! I think Namco owns the patent or design and Sonys dualshock killed Namcos Negcon through eventual updates!
Also the Jogcon isnt the only precursor to this type of mini wheel control scheme and because theres a few videos on youtube of people modding the PS1 era Negcon to work on up to PS3 playing wipEout, i did tons of research looking for a Negcon alternative like experience.... there are a few PS2 / PS3 3rd party madcatz i think like pads out there..... i just wish there was a similar official Sony or GT pad out there that did this
I use PS4 controller with all the sim racing games I have (AC, ACC, BeanNG, FH5, FH4 and DirtRally 2.0)
just use the gyro to steer and you will be so good like wheel.
The biggest difference will probably be with FWD cars. In Forza Horizon controller assist often works against player when driving with controller, while in Dirt Rally and AC it's tone down making cars more controllable, but because of that FWD cars are very understeery, all way to complete lockup even during mild manouvers.
Pretty cool an great video! But I'll stick with my force feedback wheel ^-^ It's not really an immersive "Driving/Racing Sim experience" if you're not on one, especially in VR.
Holy crap, I’m surprised that this actually works. Especially as an avid Dirt 2.0 player.
damn, you still play that?
we need to continue to publicize A7assist for assetto corsa. i’ve only ever played on xbox controller and it is absolutely fantastic for drifting and intense driving. more people should know about it, hell it should be automatically installed by content manager
Also, without mods, i've finally gotten assetto corsa to drive pretty damn nice with regular gamepad AND without having to swap setting dependent on the type of server im joining. its bizarre having the extra sim feel on gamepad
(Seeing my pfp, you already know what I'm gonna talk about..)
The fact someone can have better control on Rocket League using that controller, absolutely stuns me. It really tempts me to buy it, and try it out in Rocket League... sounds fun.
I havea sim rig but I would be very interested to see how this would work in a motorcycle racing game like Ride 4 or RiMS Racing, I really want to like bike racing games, and would love to play them more but I struggle with them on realistic settings with a controller and it just becomes frustrating rather than fun.
Imagine a mini direct drive unit in this thing! True force feedback on a controller! That would be awesome
honestly with how small the "wheel" is if you scaled the force feedback to match just a single servo under the wheel itself could maybe provide the right force
imagine if they had a tiny bit of force feedback, that would kind of work lol
Wonder how you would do holding the controller like an RC trigger style remote? Steer with your right hand, hold it in your left, use the rear triggers for gas and brake.
Honestly it feels like the red dial on the logitech series wheels just a tad smoother. Still has that slight clunk to it. I feel like if the made it with springs to self center when released vs it being a tap over like a joystick it would actually be mildly enjoyable. And switch from the tiny stepper gears to something similar to a potimeter it could become really smooth for users. As of now its really not much different then the attachment that connects to the joystick with a lil steering wheel on it. The ones that are typically just 3d printed
It does self center though?
@@wiegraf9009 in game yea but the knob itself doesnt
Be interested to see if this helps with motorcycle games like Moto GP etc
I did this mod to my DS4 controller two years ago :)
This makes me wanna get some seat time on my rig
I wish to see a gamepad made for racing games that includes shift box and clutch pedal as a third trigger.
This would be next level if you could get it to register as a wheel on forza to by pass controller buffs!
95° rotation angle is the main difference, that is why it's good for arcade and not for simulation.
if you don't already need a new controller you could buy a used logi for the same price but it dose have the convince upside its fairly common for people not to use thare wheel much just cus thay have to set up and unset it up every time they use the wheel.
I have to disagree with everyone that says Assetto Corsa with a controller is a disaster, the default settings are. I play Assetto Corsa on PC with a controller and my experince is near Forza Motorsport, the only difference being the handling model and physics that are different, and all because I found my perfect settings for Xbox One/Series controller, this simple. If anyone want to try, these are the values:
Speed Sensivity: 45%
Steering Speed: 10%
Gamma: 3
Filter: 0.65
Need for speed with a flight stick gang! Bonus for being on grandpas computer.
this wouldnt replace my sim rig, but suppose i want to race on the go, out somewhere, or say on my steam Deck. this would be great!
This ALMOST makes me want to get it and drive in a game. I may be able to handle this controller.
Hey man, I don't know if you plan on covering more games, but I think that 2 games that would be super interesting to see the controller on are Art of Rally and Car X Drift! Great video btw!
I think both of those games already had good support for controllers
@@Noxerpunk for sure, but it would still be interesting to see how they feel with this controller
I think Horizon feels like ass on an actual steering wheel. This might be the best option for it. Very neat.
Horizon 4, agree
Horizon 5, disagree
@@williampulley You're right, Horizon 5 only feels bad on a wheel. 4 was way worse.
This looks really interesting. One question though: does the left stick work in the place of the "wheel" in a playstation-like layout?
You can use it whatever layout you choose without any complicated setup. Just pop it into the layout you wish on the fly and it is instantly ready to go, when using the wheel and both analog sticks the DPAD function is automatically assigned to buttons on the back of the controller which are surprisingly intuitive and work well.
since i got my first wheel few years ago a never played any racing game or sim with an controller.
My OCD would be going nuts that the logo on the module is not straight up and down the steering centerline.
Is it know if the module control spec is controlled with a standard scratch potentiometer or did Thrustmaster opt for the more reliable hall effect or optical sensor?
Lmao i too played my first Need for Speeds on a joystick. Still have it too when i want to go back to High Stakes lmao Logitech Wingman
Have you never tried pushing the joystick forward then rolling it side to side while pushing it forward? It feels a lot better
Absolutely! It's called "roll steering" (as opposed to "tap steering".) This module, to me anyway, feels overwhelmingly easier than roll steering with a joystick. I think of the module kind of like a modified joystick that just makes roll steering easier
Does your vibration work?
in the thrustmapper app it shows the controller has trigger and wing vibration settings but there isnt any actual trigger vibration/response. The vibration feels very weak in all games ive tried it in compared to a normal xbox controller and it also feels uneven. The left side has a slower, harder rotation while the right side feels quicker but its very soft.
Is this how theyre suppose to be? Im really curious if this is how it should be operating. The vibration test in the app never replicates its "test strength" in any game ive tried.
It feels like kind of a miss compared to the feed back of a normal xbox controller. The feed back on those generates a better feel as to what the cars tires are experiencing like slipping, bumps, etc. For the price point I was really kina expecting that level of quality but I dont feel it.
My thumb i feel is to fat and my hands tend to clam up, im always adjusting my hand if its resting in a certain position for a while. This sounds like a cool concept but i dont think it would work for me
I wish you would try it with something like Trackmania (it is free to play) you don't need to buy club acces. I really am curious to see how it would perform on that game. Thank you for the video. Subscribed.
I got one of these the other day - i wish it had an acceleration module too - i tried it in the right slot and remapping accel/brake in forza23 but it still steers so just drives in circles - what a shame
This would be amazing, hopefully the price on something like this gets lowered. If it does I'd love it for racing games.
I’d like to see one of these made for the Dualsense Edge 👌🏻
Ideal for The Art Of Rally (game)
There needs to be another module that acts like a joystick that only goes side to side in the form of a spring loaded "roller" kinda like a sideways mousewheel.
Is it bad I really want one of these just because it has the Forza Motorsport logo? I'd never even use; i use a full rig.
This is cool. It could actually make me to use something so bad as gamepad in games. :D
hey is the wheel module registered as a wheel in dr2.0 or as a joystick input? Because if it’s a joystick input it will have all the same filters too. In some games like ACC you can go much further in eliminating the filters than in dr2.0 i know because I have been experimenting a lot with gyro steering on DS5 controller.
Have you tested this module in art of rally? I feel it could be quite good.
oh wow why have I not thought of that yet, no I haven't!
I have played quite a bit of AoR with it and it works very well!
Im controller on ac its not too bad if you tune your settings and i have pasdles to shift with
Would be nice to get more experimental or tailored controllers that weren't all $200.
I feel this thing is marketed towards players like me. But I'm not dropping another $200 on a controller that, besides it being CAPABLE of being used as a normal controller. I would much rather use the other controller I already spent $200 on, the elite 2.
SRP isnt really what you would mostly do in assetto, its very easy compared to actual racing. Its kind of the arcade version of assetto
Hi. Do you know if the 'wheel module' part of this controller can work with socket for the PS4 eSwap controller version? Is it compatible for play games?
How is it with the Crew 2 on xbox? I have arthritis in my hands. I ordered this controller today won't be here till May 9th. Hope it helps b
Curious how it is on nfs or crew 2