What do you think should be done to Lantern in it's current state? Should devs go the Lite/Extreme way from this video? Something completely else? Or just ignore this issue? Let me know!
a few small disagreements i have with everything you said: 1: the general accessibility of both items lantern: - the lantern is generally more open to most players, as the requirements for ring 2 are quite low, and the towers you can do to gain access to ring 2 are practically some of the easiest towers in the game. (you also have forgotten ridge, which allows more players to get more tower points to access ring 2 by doing some of the more beginner-friendly towers there) - you don't need to beat a specific tower to access ToDD, unlike the arcane area. - ToDD is basically a beginner's best option if they want a light source, considering how you only have to complete a singular challenging tower, compared to 8+ steeples, 1 of which being placed at intense, a higher difficulty than that of ToDD. crystal: - world 2 towers are less straightforward, considering how they contain mechanics that beginners are most likely not used to. (take paradise atoll for example, the steeples/towers are a lot more gimmicky than what beginners are likely not used to) - you need to complete ToUD in order to access the arcane area, which is where the crystal resides. - the arcane area is much more expansive than ToDD, as it contains 8+ steeples. and you also have the steeple that is SoMC, being harder than ToDD due to ToDD being challenging and SoMC being intense. --------------------- another thing you should've probably considered is the light consistency of both items. the lantern doesn't change colors at all, which makes its light consistency a constant, whereas the crystal on the other hand changes colors endlessly. and some light colors may be less effective depending on the color they're being reflected on, so its light consistency can be considered a variable. TLDR: the lantern is more accessible to beginners due to the more straightforward and easy towers, while the crystal is less open to beginners due to the towers of the spatial system and the beginner-unfriendly nature of the arcane area, alongside the lantern's constant light consistency, compared to the crystal's varied light consistency. i'm expecting to get a ton of replies with the nerd emoji ok bye lol
@@shiftthegamr also not to mention how most steeples in Arcane Area is SO FUCKING SHIT making beating Arcane Area much more painful to beat than ToDD in general
@denilcos8665 Agree with you in pretty much everything stated above. I also used to still borrow lantern just because of it's light being consistent, but then, stopped seeing it as a problem, so just took it out of my inventory. You're likely not the last, to who I'm gonna reply with the following, but even though lantern is way easier to get, once you(if you end up so) get crystal, there's practically no point in using the 1st one(unless you really care about lighting consistency), so, if you don't use an item at all, what's even the point of it existence FOR YOU then?
@sus_noob428 For me personally, ToDD was actually way worse than the entire AA combined. Even though steeples there're mid, there was none actually bad ones for me/nor the annoying ones too, and all of them were pretty easy to sightread, so for me AA's actually better and less annoying than literally a single tower(I've had a rough experience with ToDD, if you can't tell by now)
i dont agree with beating ToDD being worse than arcane area but if they really wanted people to use the lantern they could add a soul crushing secret ending that upgrades your lantern into one that gives more light than the crystal
As an mobile player, i always use lantern even tho its forgotten. Crystals for me is painful to use. Like imagine accidentally used crystal before damaging to death (portable christmas tree was useful until i got the lantern btw)
I don't have Crystal and Lantern, but I'm still doing well because of the Portable Christmas tree. Its light is I'm pretty sure the best in the game and it's droppable so you don't have to hold it! About the lantern, I don't really think it matters if it's forgotten because ToDD is a tower most people beat because it's fun and the lantern is just an extra perk from beating the tower. By the way, most "beginners" still use the lantern a lot because it's the only light item they have.
I wouldn't really consider PCT since this is an event item, which isn't obtainable anymore. And I kinda agree that lantern's just a bonus for beating Deep Darkness, but issue stays the same, once you obtain crystal, what's even the point in using the 1st one? And what's even the point of it's existence them? The fact, that it's a 'bonus' item doesn't mean it should be useless. Also, I just don't like using PCT, I don't like using droppable items, since you constantly have to move them, which is a bit annoying
@@DamN555 @DaN I mean in very rare circumstances, you can accidentally click while holding the crystal so the light will deactivate, lantern in this situation though, won't deactivate at all (besides floor 5+ of ToDD) so technically I think the lantern is just a bit more efficient, although it is a much weaker light source.
When you talked of the option between lantern and crystal, as a mobile player i'd still rather get the lantern as for the crystal it is very easy to accidentally click and use it (making it dark) whilst the lantern is permanent. However I dont actually use the lantern because of a christmas tree from an event which gives off more light than the crystal so that could be another reason why people dont use lantern. Edit: ive just realised everything ive said has already been said in the comments so bru
I agree with everything else in this video but there is no way arcane area is "way more bearable" than ToDD. Some of the steeples in arcane area are actually awful (SoWC and SoMC)
Ngl, while making this video I kinda forgot about this item. But the main topic of the video was how crystal *killed* lantern. Also I don't see the amount of lighting items as an issue due to most of them being exclusive for people that completed events, leaving: lantern, crystal and(which I forgot about) H to be the only permanent ones.
@@DamN555 Yeah, replaying the event now it is really easy, but when I originally did it I spent like 10 hours over days trying to beat all the steeples. I had only been playing a couple months at that time.
The key word here is 'was'. There's no way to get this item anymore, so I didn't included anything regarding it in this video at all since this wouldn't make much sence
Also if I were part of an jtoh team then I would buff al little lantern (0.5→0.65) and I would make lantern have animation and make it more valuable than crystal by making it slightly harder to obtain. But make it also more bearable by beating every steeple and a secret button in SoWC to Unlock 2nd Secret Button In Lobby Then To Unlock It In The Arcane area tower floor 2 somewhere. Which will make lantern slightly harder to get and slightly more bearable which also would make it more valuable and better.
What do you think should be done to Lantern in it's current state? Should devs go the Lite/Extreme way from this video? Something completely else? Or just ignore this issue? Let me know!
a few small disagreements i have with everything you said:
1: the general accessibility of both items
lantern:
- the lantern is generally more open to most players, as the requirements for ring 2 are quite low, and the towers you can do to gain access to ring 2 are practically some of the easiest towers in the game. (you also have forgotten ridge, which allows more players to get more tower points to access ring 2 by doing some of the more beginner-friendly towers there)
- you don't need to beat a specific tower to access ToDD, unlike the arcane area.
- ToDD is basically a beginner's best option if they want a light source, considering how you only have to complete a singular challenging tower, compared to 8+ steeples, 1 of which being placed at intense, a higher difficulty than that of ToDD.
crystal:
- world 2 towers are less straightforward, considering how they contain mechanics that beginners are most likely not used to. (take paradise atoll for example, the steeples/towers are a lot more gimmicky than what beginners are likely not used to)
- you need to complete ToUD in order to access the arcane area, which is where the crystal resides.
- the arcane area is much more expansive than ToDD, as it contains 8+ steeples. and you also have the steeple that is SoMC, being harder than ToDD due to ToDD being challenging and SoMC being intense.
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another thing you should've probably considered is the light consistency of both items. the lantern doesn't change colors at all, which makes its light consistency a constant, whereas the crystal on the other hand changes colors endlessly. and some light colors may be less effective depending on the color they're being reflected on, so its light consistency can be considered a variable.
TLDR: the lantern is more accessible to beginners due to the more straightforward and easy towers, while the crystal is less open to beginners due to the towers of the spatial system and the beginner-unfriendly nature of the arcane area, alongside the lantern's constant light consistency, compared to the crystal's varied light consistency.
i'm expecting to get a ton of replies with the nerd emoji
ok bye lol
@@shiftthegamr also not to mention how most steeples in Arcane Area is SO FUCKING SHIT making beating Arcane Area much more painful to beat than ToDD in general
@denilcos8665 Agree with you in pretty much everything stated above. I also used to still borrow lantern just because of it's light being consistent, but then, stopped seeing it as a problem, so just took it out of my inventory. You're likely not the last, to who I'm gonna reply with the following, but even though lantern is way easier to get, once you(if you end up so) get crystal, there's practically no point in using the 1st one(unless you really care about lighting consistency), so, if you don't use an item at all, what's even the point of it existence FOR YOU then?
@sus_noob428 For me personally, ToDD was actually way worse than the entire AA combined. Even though steeples there're mid, there was none actually bad ones for me/nor the annoying ones too, and all of them were pretty easy to sightread, so for me AA's actually better and less annoying than literally a single tower(I've had a rough experience with ToDD, if you can't tell by now)
i dont agree with beating ToDD being worse than arcane area but if they really wanted people to use the lantern they could add a soul crushing secret ending that upgrades your lantern into one that gives more light than the crystal
As an mobile player, i always use lantern even tho its forgotten. Crystals for me is painful to use. Like imagine accidentally used crystal before damaging to death (portable christmas tree was useful until i got the lantern btw)
I don't have Crystal and Lantern, but I'm still doing well because of the Portable Christmas tree. Its light is I'm pretty sure the best in the game and it's droppable so you don't have to hold it! About the lantern, I don't really think it matters if it's forgotten because ToDD is a tower most people beat because it's fun and the lantern is just an extra perk from beating the tower. By the way, most "beginners" still use the lantern a lot because it's the only light item they have.
I wouldn't really consider PCT since this is an event item, which isn't obtainable anymore. And I kinda agree that lantern's just a bonus for beating Deep Darkness, but issue stays the same, once you obtain crystal, what's even the point in using the 1st one? And what's even the point of it's existence them? The fact, that it's a 'bonus' item doesn't mean it should be useless. Also, I just don't like using PCT, I don't like using droppable items, since you constantly have to move them, which is a bit annoying
@@DamN555 @DaN I mean in very rare circumstances, you can accidentally click while holding the crystal so the light will deactivate, lantern in this situation though, won't deactivate at all (besides floor 5+ of ToDD) so technically I think the lantern is just a bit more efficient, although it is a much weaker light source.
On mobile moving activates crystal 💀
When you talked of the option between lantern and crystal, as a mobile player i'd still rather get the lantern as for the crystal it is very easy to accidentally click and use it (making it dark) whilst the lantern is permanent. However I dont actually use the lantern because of a christmas tree from an event which gives off more light than the crystal so that could be another reason why people dont use lantern.
Edit: ive just realised everything ive said has already been said in the comments so bru
only reason i would still use lantern is that if i accidentally click, it wont loose it's powers.
forgotten? nah i have been thinking of the lantern all day so i can use it for dark sections
lite way only and lanters light should be brighter too todd is just so trash i dont know if it is even possible to like this shit tower
I agree with everything else in this video but there is no way arcane area is "way more bearable" than ToDD. Some of the steeples in arcane area are actually awful (SoWC and SoMC)
ToDD reminds me of an win pad kick which happened to me due to skips
how to get lantern
You get it by completing ToDD
As a mobile player i still use the lantern because i can accidentally use the crystal
This video must be a joke
Depends on how you look at it
It depends on how much of a joke it is actually
I still only use Lantern because the Crystal lighting is not permanent
I used to do the same, but one day just stopped seeing that as an issue and fully switched to crystal
I think the main reason is just because theres kinda too many light items in the game.i think H is better than the lantern thought
Ngl, while making this video I kinda forgot about this item. But the main topic of the video was how crystal *killed* lantern. Also I don't see the amount of lighting items as an issue due to most of them being exclusive for people that completed events, leaving: lantern, crystal and(which I forgot about) H to be the only permanent ones.
grass:
Since when did grass counted as a lighting source?
@@DamN555 grass:
on mobile its kinda easy to accidentaly use crystal so umm yeah.
Yea, that sucks
Who needs the lantern when you have T and Y bro
Probably anyone who didn't played back then and doesn't have those?
i would argue about the bootleg speedcoil
Huh? I never bought this item since it's pretty much pointless, but it makes lighting point or what do you mean?
the lantern was quite popular back then for its speed glitch
Oh yea, I've forgot about those times. So, you can basically say, that lantern fell of twice, lol
how do you get lantern?
Beat the Tower of Deep Darkness. (Ring 2) It’s really confusing so watch a guide if you are gonna attempt it.
I don't use light items much, but if i do i use the slamo latern because it's really bright and makes you heal twice as fast.
So it actually doubles your regen speed, huh? Never knew much about the slamo lantern
@@DamN555 yeah, it's really cool. Apparently the slamo lantern is rare, idk why. I wonder exactly how many people have it.
Well, maybe it's because this thing is from freaking KToH era when the game's fanbase was much smaller and general players' skillcap was much lower?
@@DamN555 Yeah, replaying the event now it is really easy, but when I originally did it I spent like 10 hours over days trying to beat all the steeples. I had only been playing a couple months at that time.
I just use H
Fair enough
i honestly think portable christmas tree is way better than the lantern and the crystal
and the portable christmas tree was way easier to get lol
The key word here is 'was'. There's no way to get this item anymore, so I didn't included anything regarding it in this video at all since this wouldn't make much sence
yeah ik
srry abt that
@@crashb1ock hi
Also if I were part of an jtoh team then I would buff al little lantern (0.5→0.65) and I would make lantern have animation and make it more valuable than crystal by making it slightly harder to obtain. But make it also more bearable by beating every steeple and a secret button in SoWC to Unlock 2nd Secret Button In Lobby Then To Unlock It In The Arcane area tower floor 2 somewhere. Which will make lantern slightly harder to get and slightly more bearable which also would make it more valuable and better.