around 11:30 I said "I don't think we're going to crit on that" we had 100% crit rate because of the passive. :) I forgot about that at the time but remembered after and wanted to point that out.
@@yoelezequieldemedici2545 wanted to ask the same question, if they are still able to glance? there was some other monster that would glance with a hit that doesnt glance because of the passive of the other monsters or something.
@@Lp0tr33 Crit is determined before glancing effects. Dark martial cat counters with a crit whenever she is crit, but she still glances if she has a glancing debuff. So yes, you can still glance. Honestly that's what I assumed he meant when he said "I don't think we're going to crit on that." I figured he meant that he might glance.
There was a mistake, wind cat did 84k dmg with an atk buff on 5 debuffs, kro did 66k without an atk buff on 5 debuffs.... so yea.... (*edit on gb10 boss)
@@kainiakmaniac2254 i know, but when he used it without an atk buff 1st hit was 20k (without branding) and 2nd was 28k (with branding). It didn't come to my thought that i can use the 28k to count dmg without atk buff xd my brain froze
@@kainiakmaniac2254 Passive damage increase isn't always a benefit. The main place you want to use debuff scaling damage is in R5, and the R5 boss has oblivion so passive debuff scaling is very likely to get shut off before it goes off. Kro will do more damage because he's guaranteed to do debuff scaling on 2 of 3 skills, while Naomi only does debuff scaling when the boss doesn't land oblivion or when you get a cleanse off before she attacks. Even if you assume 2/3rds of Naomi's attacks in R5 are done _without_ oblivion on her (which IMO is a generous approximation) Kro would do more because his 3rd has 50% on s3 and 20% on S2 compared to Naomi's 20% all the time, and Kro's higher base multiplier thanks to his attacks being a 2nd and 3rd skill compared to Naomi's 1st and 2nd skills. In Rift beasts passive damage scaling is better, but Kro alone is more than enough debuff scaling for those dungeons. With just 1 debuff scaling nuker you can pretty consistently do enough damage to hit SSS, and after that debuff scaling damage is pretty bad because outside of groggy state you never have debuffs. It can help you get new high scores but if you want to maximize your efficiency you'd want to get a team that kills the boss faster but has a lower score, which would involve more straight damage and less debuff scaling.
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I love the video description :) also might build naomi where she doesnt need crit rate, she seems like shes a good damage dealer for a will/shield cleave turn 2 team.
i think you forget that you can rune naomi full cd and atk with zero crit rate. kro loses a lot of dps stats because of crit rate. and if you take her in to r5 i.e. (i know her passive can be disabled) everyone knows how often units like kro, xiao lin, fire/wind homi brandia use their multiplier skill in the wrong situation. naomi has it as a passive. so if you dont speed farm r5 she will do really really well there.
@@venomous9015 definitely let me know how it works. Does it only happen when his HP is higher, or is that an every attack thing? I assume it also still goes through acc/def. So I assume Spd/HP/HP with more accuracy subs and not worrying about crit, since his passive damage doesn't crit, even if it were good.
Imo shes better to use purely bc she needsless rune quality for the same performance, bc her 100% crit passive, you can just not build any cr and be fine, plus rather than being neutral she has elemental advantage
Why not just do 2 runs, one with a set of runes on Naomi and one run with same runes on Kro? You do several runs in the video anyway. Just use the same set of runes.
why not just calculate multipliers instead? 780x2=1560% for kitty on her "3 turn cd nuke" and 720x3.5=2520% for kro. you can even multiple that on their base atk to see who is better.. but
I know this is late, but jew if you truly want to compare something, use just one, then give the runes you used on that to the other. I also actually use Bernard and Chasun myself.
kro have 2 skills with dmg buff with debuffs. and if u really need high damage on elemental rifts, for sure u need mav or frigate in ur team, or maybe dark homie. so kro will outscale her by a lot
For everyone saying Kro is so much better, Kro isn’t a guaranteed crit on anything that has a debuff. Not only does Naomi do very good damage, she also basically gets element advantage on anything with any debuff. She’s kind of like Theo as long as any enemy has a red square over them. Very cool monster that can crit on any element with absolutely no crit rate.
kro still is much much better. defbrk vs stun(who really cares about stun on PVE mon), increased damage for kro+ally+cdr for ally vs 100% critrate, almost same multipliers on their nuke, but kro has 50% per debuff vs 20% per debuff also kro has 3 turn brand with 100% vs 75% brand for 2 turns. kro for sure is a lot better, he is element neutral and cant be oblivioned. ofc u can use both if u dun have brandia, but light and water rift are only usable places for her. imho even underrated water cat, mina is better by a lot, coz wind cat will do higher damage than mina only after 5 debuffs. and need to say 5 debuffs is really hard to achieve on auto
around 11:30 I said "I don't think we're going to crit on that" we had 100% crit rate because of the passive. :) I forgot about that at the time but remembered after and wanted to point that out.
funny to mention: that means she cannot glance on debuffed enemies? i dont think that is the case...
@@yoelezequieldemedici2545 wanted to ask the same question, if they are still able to glance? there was some other monster that would glance with a hit that doesnt glance because of the passive of the other monsters or something.
Good you pointed that out, or itd be all the comments would talk about. ;P
Kro didn't have attack buff when he did 66k on gb10 boss with same debuffs btw
@@Lp0tr33 Crit is determined before glancing effects. Dark martial cat counters with a crit whenever she is crit, but she still glances if she has a glancing debuff. So yes, you can still glance.
Honestly that's what I assumed he meant when he said "I don't think we're going to crit on that." I figured he meant that he might glance.
There was a mistake, wind cat did 84k dmg with an atk buff on 5 debuffs, kro did 66k without an atk buff on 5 debuffs.... so yea.... (*edit on gb10 boss)
Wind cat did 56k with no attack buff, kro did 66k with no attack buff
@@justanoob4802 true, didnt take it at count that you can take the dmg from 2nd attack and multiply it xD
@@IceSlash also its her passive so shes always gonna get that scaling
@@kainiakmaniac2254 i know, but when he used it without an atk buff 1st hit was 20k (without branding) and 2nd was 28k (with branding). It didn't come to my thought that i can use the 28k to count dmg without atk buff xd my brain froze
@@kainiakmaniac2254 Passive damage increase isn't always a benefit. The main place you want to use debuff scaling damage is in R5, and the R5 boss has oblivion so passive debuff scaling is very likely to get shut off before it goes off. Kro will do more damage because he's guaranteed to do debuff scaling on 2 of 3 skills, while Naomi only does debuff scaling when the boss doesn't land oblivion or when you get a cleanse off before she attacks. Even if you assume 2/3rds of Naomi's attacks in R5 are done _without_ oblivion on her (which IMO is a generous approximation) Kro would do more because his 3rd has 50% on s3 and 20% on S2 compared to Naomi's 20% all the time, and Kro's higher base multiplier thanks to his attacks being a 2nd and 3rd skill compared to Naomi's 1st and 2nd skills.
In Rift beasts passive damage scaling is better, but Kro alone is more than enough debuff scaling for those dungeons. With just 1 debuff scaling nuker you can pretty consistently do enough damage to hit SSS, and after that debuff scaling damage is pretty bad because outside of groggy state you never have debuffs. It can help you get new high scores but if you want to maximize your efficiency you'd want to get a team that kills the boss faster but has a lower score, which would involve more straight damage and less debuff scaling.
New Best GB10 on this F2W acct. Same team. 46 seconds.
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If she always crits can she nuke DB10?
@@smallheatshockproteinibpb8618 Her crit rate would become 85% since its wind vs fire i assume its passive then elemental
let's take a moment to appreciate the bonus damage from runes on naomi 00:15
"I've done a lot of weird stuff with these girls" Jewbagel 2019
That sounds wrong
YES.
Finally, i've found another cat poop lover. Time to start another project that i dont have runes for!
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Thank you for max skilling her, to see her full Potential. I like the skilled Showcases way more.
there are times that i laugh by my self just listening to you
"I've done some weird stuff with these girls..." 15:30 ish
Too easy. Have a nice Sunday.
4:10 did that golem just resist everything?
the middle boss on gb10 has 140% or 160% resistance thats something dataminers found in the files
Ben Dietzsch thats very high
She may put out more damage because of affinity advantage also. I'm building for just this reason! Love your vids btw keep it up!
If you want to compare, put them in seperate run and use the SAME RUNE SETs...
you did the comparaison between the cat with att buf and the kro without att buff : 6:22
I love the video description :) also might build naomi where she doesnt need crit rate, she seems like shes a good damage dealer for a will/shield cleave turn 2 team.
On your free to win name what do u do with tour nat 4s and 5s
Did kro, might do wind martial as well for something like water beast
I´ve been w8 to see this ;3
Eshir and Jultan might debut on f2w POGGERS
"so she beat it in a minute and 2 seconds" ~new best time~ lol yes i understand nobody farms that... i just thought it was funny XD
Bagel: I've done some weird stuff...
The kro didn’t have attack buff bagel
God damn i love free to win
i think you forget that you can rune naomi full cd and atk with zero crit rate. kro loses a lot of dps stats because of crit rate. and if you take her in to r5 i.e. (i know her passive can be disabled) everyone knows how often units like kro, xiao lin, fire/wind homi brandia use their multiplier skill in the wrong situation. naomi has it as a passive. so if you dont speed farm r5 she will do really really well there.
So which one is better? Wind or dark?
The next 2a is probably Living Armor and golem I think no?
Because they did beast and Fairies already.
Thnls for the video.
Dont believe if....Copper can be op already and with 2awakening would BE too op
I hope hellhound is the best 2a
@@duckoffupieceodsgut22 They already opened the beast dimensional, the inugami/bear place, so i believe they will do another one, maybe hahahha
Their doing a tanky/nuker and another "sexy" mon, since it's clear they went for that now
@@ierbutza21 makes sense
how can you resist so much beast's freezing ?
The immunity buff was up a lot of the time because of the wind epikion priest.
So Naomi may be a less powerful Kro, but she's a far more CONSISTENT Kro.
Have u seean anyone clearing 20 floors of time limit stage?
Now just hoping for fire cat next since I can't find any TH-cam videos on her 2a either
5:42
There is where she won: she can be more forgiving on gear, if ONE of his teammates put a debuff you are good to go.
The kro 66k without atk buff
nice video
does this passive scale with crit dammage?
Can you do shakans (wind werewolf) 2a with a vid thx
Good for R5 and no need CRI rate, only focus on ATK and CRI Dmg
Anyone do Shakan yet? Seems possible if you can make sure your HP is higher... but probably trash, assuming his multipliers never changed.
I'm doing shakan for rta because of passive increases cooldown every attack
@@venomous9015 definitely let me know how it works. Does it only happen when his HP is higher, or is that an every attack thing? I assume it also still goes through acc/def. So I assume Spd/HP/HP with more accuracy subs and not worrying about crit, since his passive damage doesn't crit, even if it were good.
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Ima need a FAT Naomi in this bih
250% cd and 2000 atk
No crit rate needed BECAUSE passive is op
BAGEL you forgot the ATK buff when kro hit Giant for 66k....
I want a 2a thrain
I prefer susano farmer faimon 30sec :) for Naomi , she is cool with a 2A , interesting .
I wish I had good rubes like u on FREE 2 WIN
I wonder if she can work as R5 dps unit her tanky stats are actually not trash ?
Lethal Feathers oblivion would fuck her up, Kro doesn’t rely on passive to do massive damage so he’s better
You let Att buff fall off before hitting with Kro 3rd on the crit attack.
Imo shes better to use purely bc she needsless rune quality for the same performance, bc her 100% crit passive, you can just not build any cr and be fine, plus rather than being neutral she has elemental advantage
I didnt know that you are playing channel 122 in Korean server lol
In Rift she is good.
Kro didnt have atk power buff
its just me or is stange that his Kro puts 3 turns branding?
max skills
is she good for raids?
u can run her on like 15% cr with a lot of other stats in r5 ;)
yeah, and just wait for 1st oblivion=)))
@@babooshka6321 yeah, kk, that sucks tbh :DD
Why did u sy to eat ct poop every day an yea i caught that
she still needs 70% crit rate for gb10 if galeone is the only debuffer because it's galeone.
"We'll take him into her"???
Why not just do 2 runs, one with a set of runes on Naomi and one run with same runes on Kro? You do several runs in the video anyway. Just use the same set of runes.
why not just calculate multipliers instead? 780x2=1560% for kitty on her "3 turn cd nuke" and 720x3.5=2520% for kro. you can even multiple that on their base atk to see who is better.. but
So Naomi Lyn and Kro? Somebody try this
Her Orion Fran or Chasun
Bro you shouldn’t of had cared about crit as much you should of went more dmg
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Same.
at least i got one ;D
I know this is late, but jew if you truly want to compare something, use just one, then give the runes you used on that to the other. I also actually use Bernard and Chasun myself.
I'm not that great at the game but I feel like she might be better on triple rage since she gets guaranteed crits pretty frequently anyway.
Rage is a 4 rune set.
try it with mellia :)
Kro is better at dmg but, naomi doesnt have cooldowns that she has to wait for
kro have 2 skills with dmg buff with debuffs. and if u really need high damage on elemental rifts, for sure u need mav or frigate in ur team, or maybe dark homie. so kro will outscale her by a lot
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Still waiting for fire cat review
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For everyone saying Kro is so much better, Kro isn’t a guaranteed crit on anything that has a debuff. Not only does Naomi do very good damage, she also basically gets element advantage on anything with any debuff. She’s kind of like Theo as long as any enemy has a red square over them. Very cool monster that can crit on any element with absolutely no crit rate.
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ok boomer. rewatch vid. y u not listen carefully?
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Much like the boomers.
@@whiteasian4990 whats a sarcasm?
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kro still is much much better. defbrk vs stun(who really cares about stun on PVE mon), increased damage for kro+ally+cdr for ally vs 100% critrate, almost same multipliers on their nuke, but kro has 50% per debuff vs 20% per debuff also kro has 3 turn brand with 100% vs 75% brand for 2 turns.
kro for sure is a lot better, he is element neutral and cant be oblivioned. ofc u can use both if u dun have brandia, but light and water rift are only usable places for her. imho even underrated water cat, mina is better by a lot, coz wind cat will do higher damage than mina only after 5 debuffs. and need to say 5 debuffs is really hard to achieve on auto
sometimes it bothers me when he shit talks other peoples scores or stats.... like they are probably free to play. You are CLEARLY not.
He is on that account though, and look at how strong he is. He can shit talk whoever he wants lol.
@@maellemasson2256 I mean, it's also his job lol. It's like Ronaldo talking shit to some kid that plays little league.
Did he forget about about her passive being 100% crit with debuffs like he was worried he wasn’t gonna crit I feel bagel has no brain sometimes
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