everybody's talking about how kage did amazing with ganondorf which he did. but zamboni has potential with Lucina and this is coming from a fellow Lucina main
@@aIkaIi Not always, ties do influence placings. Do you think Zero could have gotten as far as he did with jiggs? Or if Captain Zac and Lima would have gone to evo grand finals without bayo? But skill comes before tiers, but tiers do influence things quite a bit.
@@AmongUs-no8my Couldn't have said it better myself. I understand tiers matter, but if you only follow tiers to find your main, you might never find your true main. Also, as you said, if your skillful enough with that low tier character, then they can be as good as a high tier. But, yeah, totally agree with what you said.
Zamboni's Lucina is pretty good tho. I think he has potential. Also I agree Marth is more scarier, since the tipper, but Lucina has some merits that makes her a dangerous as well.
+Chris Zamora Well, for one, Sour spot front smash kills pretty late but a Lucina one always kills at a 100, which is pretty good. It's all about player preference not skill.
Chris Zamora I agree, I am merely referring to when someone plays Lucina instead of Marth. Overall with all the fighters, it is about skill and preference.
Ok this is a real question not trying to start anything. I can understand why you would have a pocket or secondary lucaina but why the hell would you ever main her over marth?
I wouldn't say useless. Are you familiar with that untechable spiral that the Beefy Smash Doods covered somewhat recently? I've heard that apparently Lucina has more options for abusing that than Marth does (something about sourspots messing with Marth's options, and Lucina doesn't have sourspots). If that's true, then there's a chance that Lucina could actually see more use than Marth.
+Alex Barrera the damage on certain lengths of the sword are different. Marty has a strong tip and weak blade, and Lucina has same damage all the way through
Useless my ass. Not having the radical sour and sweet spots makes her more consistent and gives her more options for mix-ups during strings, so she's harder to read than Marth. Yes, his tipper is scary, but frankly, Lucina is better overall just for these reasons.
+Mike O'leary I think the rule set that they use says that whoever is on the winning screen is the winner, eg. bowsers suicide kill him first so he would loose but gannons choke slam kill the opponent first so he would win. I think that's the rule, but idk
The person who initiated the suicide first is USUALLY the victor in 1 stock to 1 stock situation. The only exception to this in basically all tournament's is Bowser's Side B, as you can grab the opponent anywhere and drag them off stage. A lot of tourney holders were happy that they changed Bowser's Side B to die first because of this. The others, such as Kirby, DDD, Wario, Rob, Ganondorf, Robin, etc.. the rule at the top makes them the winner of the round. The reason this rule applies to everyone who can do it except Bowser is because Bowser can do it from basically anywhere on stage, but everyone has to commit to an extremely punishable action while offstage/can be mashed out of.
Ganon with rage is nothing to sleep on. I once killed a marth with a single up air who was at 40%. I kept edgeguarding with reverse hit of up air and he just died at the second hit. Ganon is scary.
Lucina is very viable, but Marth's tipper hits reward more skillful players far more with their great knockback. Lucina is basically Marth with less pressure and less reward
If Zamboni used Marth a few of those forward airs would've killed Kage and took the set. The forward smash at 5:30 would've been a tipper and would've taken the stock. Shield Breaker would've done more shield damage. That's what happens when you use inferior characters.
+Distro Sacriligeos You should watch a match between pugwest's marth and a Bayonetta. He would of killed her if he used Lucina. Stop with the Marth bias.
+Nipah EveryDay It's not Marth bias if he stating a fact and/or giving advice. Marth is better than Lucina, and 9/10 matches you're handicapping yourself by using Lucina over Marth. I mean, Lucina's entire design revolves around weak, easy, less safe, less precise Marth.
***** Blunt and straight to the point. I don't see that very often. Apparently, I'm an idiot for contributing what I think to be true to a conversation. You speak in the imperfect subjunctive tense, implying we talked before. I don't remember talking to you at all. If you had, you'd see that I'm not some arrogant bigot that says things without any intention of backing it up. If you inquired of me to explain my positions, I would've done so. And I would've been open to hearing your assertion.
Kage? Using Smash 4 Ganondorf AND Cloud?! I need more of this!
*Loses game 1, switches from Cloud to Ganon and wins*
Something seems backwards here.
lmfao, I do the same with mario and Game And Watch
XxxxxJamesxxxX What an embarrassment for Lucina mains...
+Lucky Jero and matchup experience. Some people who do use high tiers probably have no idea how to approach or attack ganon and is why they lose
THIS GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR A YEAR AND PEOPLE ARE STILL FOLLOWING GANONDORF TO THE LEDGE
WHY
+Antifrost come here, i got some candy ;3
Not to mention Brawl as well... :)
Dam that 2nd match was like 25 seconds lol
So that they can edge guard
+Tyler Peterson its always dangerous edge guarding ganon, especially last stock.
there is no avoiding Kagedorf
no matter the game, if he picks dorf, consider your smash career dead
+ProjectAngelLuna Hell, you could play 64 and Kage will still find a way to play Ganon
+Bill Roger Unless if customs are accessible.
Imagine if he actually practiced and labbed with Smash 4 Ganon... oh man what a pipe dream but that would be BEASTLY.
+FinalFantisiac he is from Canada and so is Raykalm so it could potentially be a thing
+Sendo I know. Heck, Ray lives in the same city as me.
NO MAN CAN HAVE ALL THAT POWER
That's it I'm dropping the mic,
OH MY GOD DISRESPECT DISRESPECT EVERYONE
+Daniel Spahn wrong ganon player
+Illuminati I know. Just felt like saying it
+Mr Amingo OH MY GOODNESS... THE WARRIOR...
DESTRRRRRRRRRURRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUCTIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
+Mr Amingo *Triforce of power.
This layout is probably the best VGBC layout I've ever seen.
everybody's talking about how kage did amazing with ganondorf which he did. but zamboni has potential with Lucina and this is coming from a fellow Lucina main
+Chris Vollrath Dollar-bin Marth definitely has seen less usage but she's got a following.
Lucina sucks
lethalpenguin61 yeah your the one talking
Why do waiters hate lucina?
Because she never leaves a tip
I main Lucina as well, though I've only dabbled in competitive Sm4sh. I also love Robin and Sheik. Gonna experiment with Mario and Diddy Kong.
This is why I main Ganon
Ganon Ramen I main Ganon since Brawl
Lord Sairight/Denny me too! I love this badass character!
Oh my god! How does Kage have all that power? :O
+Andrew Onizuka No one man can have all that power.
+Andrew Onizuka Bizz bestowed the power. It was time.
+Andrew Onizuka The Triforce of power!
A reference to the super hype set between mattdotzeb and kage
That d1 and prof commentated
+Adrale4gotten ^
Excellent Lucina, don't let this put you off :)
I had a 16 second match with Ganon once, that boy's like Kanye West with all that power
I lost with a high tier character? Time to switch to Ganondorf!
Kage everybody.
tiers don't matter if you know how to use a character. If you follow tiers you're really bad at the game.
@@aIkaIi Not always, ties do influence placings. Do you think Zero could have gotten as far as he did with jiggs? Or if Captain Zac and Lima would have gone to evo grand finals without bayo? But skill comes before tiers, but tiers do influence things quite a bit.
@@AmongUs-no8my Couldn't have said it better myself. I understand tiers matter, but if you only follow tiers to find your main, you might never find your true main. Also, as you said, if your skillful enough with that low tier character, then they can be as good as a high tier. But, yeah, totally agree with what you said.
A skilled Ganon can beat any Lucina
Kage can do whatever he pleases against you lol.
Zamboni's Lucina is pretty good tho. I think he has potential. Also I agree Marth is more scarier, since the tipper, but Lucina has some merits that makes her a dangerous as well.
Can you please explain one?
+Chris Zamora Well, for one, Sour spot front smash kills pretty late but a Lucina one always kills at a 100, which is pretty good. It's all about player preference not skill.
+That One Amiibo Hoarder
I believe a combination of skill and preference make a player good.
Not judging RN. Just inserting my personal opinion.
Chris Zamora I agree, I am merely referring to when someone plays Lucina instead of Marth. Overall with all the fighters, it is about skill and preference.
+That One Amiibo Hoarder
Glad we came to this conclusion.
Bro, your the reason why I couldn't get a Robin and Lucina amiibo. Shame on you.
AS A GANON MAIN I AM PLEASED
Is there actually no commentators cam for the new xanadu layout?
huh
love seeing melee pros adapt, having fun and playing sm4sh.
The Gannon grab in mid air was some dbz business.
Facts
Kage, why would you stoop to use this Easter bunny version of Ganondorf?
Ok this is a real question not trying to start anything. I can understand why you would have a pocket or secondary lucaina but why the hell would you ever main her over marth?
+The Afrokid Because there's a new champion in town. AND HER NAME IS LU CENA! *The Time is Now starts playing*
WOW! INCREDIBLE !! Ganondorf dude.
Its all fun and games until someone busts out Ganon...
He won with a low tier god, he definitely deserves that win.
I felt that bair
what's the name of that kid in the red sweater at the end of the video again?
Puppeh, he won the arcadian therefore he is ranked. Now he has to play better players.
+Andy Granados nope that's BootyEKing
why does Lucina have the same move set as marth?
she's a clone. a useless one at that.
I wouldn't say useless. Are you familiar with that untechable spiral that the Beefy Smash Doods covered somewhat recently? I've heard that apparently Lucina has more options for abusing that than Marth does (something about sourspots messing with Marth's options, and Lucina doesn't have sourspots). If that's true, then there's a chance that Lucina could actually see more use than Marth.
+Alex Barrera the damage on certain lengths of the sword are different. Marty has a strong tip and weak blade, and Lucina has same damage all the way through
Useless my ass. Not having the radical sour and sweet spots makes her more consistent and gives her more options for mix-ups during strings, so she's harder to read than Marth. Yes, his tipper is scary, but frankly, Lucina is better overall just for these reasons.
Even if it didn't kill him first in a tournament the player who used the suicide move wins right? Both having the same stocks
+Mike O'leary I think the rule set that they use says that whoever is on the winning screen is the winner, eg. bowsers suicide kill him first so he would loose but gannons choke slam kill the opponent first so he would win. I think that's the rule, but idk
The person who initiated the suicide first is USUALLY the victor in 1 stock to 1 stock situation.
The only exception to this in basically all tournament's is Bowser's Side B, as you can grab the opponent anywhere and drag them off stage. A lot of tourney holders were happy that they changed Bowser's Side B to die first because of this.
The others, such as Kirby, DDD, Wario, Rob, Ganondorf, Robin, etc.. the rule at the top makes them the winner of the round.
The reason this rule applies to everyone who can do it except Bowser is because Bowser can do it from basically anywhere on stage, but everyone has to commit to an extremely punishable action while offstage/can be mashed out of.
+signerdragon thanks for the clarification
Does kage play smash 4?
3:41 LOL WOOOOOW SAW THAT COMING FROM A MILE AWAY
The Warrior cannot be held down!
Shield Breaker was never OP since MarCina haven't been good in Sm4sh 1:46
As soon as I saw Ganon double-jump fakeout, I was like "plz don't get up, Lucina...ah shit"
OOOOOUUCH VIVA GANONDORF! EL REY DEL MAL KING OF DISRESPECT!
Is this Low Tier City?
Well, Kage's playin' Smash 4...Ganon is no longer the third worst with Kage in the fray!
Come back of the year!
"Canada is known for 3 things"
- EEvisu
The spirit of Ganondorf had to go SOMEWHERE when Bizzaro left...
+Dr. Mel Eh, Kage always had the spirit of Technical Ganon. The spirit of Stylish Ganon, however, is still up for grabs.
Great Lucina Zamboni, keep it up :'D
Yeah, Shield Breaker nerf mattered, and a lot, i can't break shields, not even at mid charge and tipper with Marth.
it's booty now :/
it actually doesnt matter if its no charge or mid charge. shield breaker only gets extra shield damage if fully charged.
+ChillTerumi Didn't know that, makes a lot of sense
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense now, but this only makes it even worse.
+Blester They nerfed it because with the new shield mechanics, Shield Breaker would be disgusting unchanged.
*looks at video length*
Oh, there must be only two games in this set.
Ganon with rage is nothing to sleep on. I once killed a marth with a single up air who was at 40%. I kept edgeguarding with reverse hit of up air and he just died at the second hit. Ganon is scary.
As soon as he threw Ganon of stage I knew it was gonna be game.
Oh ty
Kage one of my favorite Ganons. good set, awesome Lucina too.
Let's go Kage! Show that worthless clone where she belongs!
With another clone..
+Da Ninja At least he has different properties. aside from the tipper, Lucina is 100% Marth
Totally belongs as #1 top tier. She's a beast
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The blast line?
+Fsaan Ness essentially
This is the OG Nairo vs Light
Know what's more deadly than a rage Ganon, a Kage Ganon!
Lol Kage and 1:45 tried taking ledge.
Kage looks like he could be a brother of the MMA fighter Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Wait... Lucina's not tournament viable?
Marth's better than Lucina?
But... but I love Lucina....
Every character is viable. you just gotta train.
Lucina is very viable, but Marth's tipper hits reward more skillful players far more with their great knockback. Lucina is basically Marth with less pressure and less reward
+RichardBlaziken Gotcha, gotcha. In any case, I'm starting to main Zero Suit Samus and Robin -- I'll probably start playing Lucina just for fun.
We all love our little Lucina.
KarmalApples Why's your profile picture Ness if you don't main him?
Lol i think he tried to wavedash at 5:44
Damnit Kermit broke the camera
Ganon styled so hard the camera died.
Kage came from Canada to rekt this kid with ganon let's go!
That's straight up fundamentals right there.
Kage using Ganondorf, I don't know why I laughed
WHY WOULD THEY NERF SHEILD BRAKER WHAT THE
Because of the increased shieldstun.
It WAS a little silly
+isaac Not really since it was by far their slowest attack and gets wrecked by spot dodge. People just shield too much.
Mew2King now Kage? Please Mango Smash 4 is waiting for you!
*sees thumbnail* me: is he real though
*clicks video and looks at face cam* me: omg he is real
If Zamboni used Marth a few of those forward airs would've killed Kage and took the set. The forward smash at 5:30 would've been a tipper and would've taken the stock. Shield Breaker would've done more shield damage.
That's what happens when you use inferior characters.
+Distro Sacriligeos : (
+Distro Sacriligeos You should watch a match between pugwest's marth and a Bayonetta. He would of killed her if he used Lucina. Stop with the Marth bias.
+Nipah EveryDay It's not Marth bias if he stating a fact and/or giving advice. Marth is better than Lucina, and 9/10 matches you're handicapping yourself by using Lucina over Marth.
I mean, Lucina's entire design revolves around weak, easy, less safe, less precise Marth.
Fred you're an idiot. It's honestly not worth arguing with you, which is why I don't try to try to convince you in google plus.
***** Blunt and straight to the point. I don't see that very often. Apparently, I'm an idiot for contributing what I think to be true to a conversation. You speak in the imperfect subjunctive tense, implying we talked before. I don't remember talking to you at all.
If you had, you'd see that I'm not some arrogant bigot that says things without any intention of backing it up. If you inquired of me to explain my positions, I would've done so. And I would've been open to hearing your assertion.
That cloud was so bad it hurt my soul
that lucina was getting too comfortable near the end
THE WARRIOR!
good lucina cherubi knight should take notes
2:41 omg he's so scared lmao
Dat comeback
Cloud lost, but... GANONDORF TO THE RESCUE!!!
Wait... WHAT??!!
Zamboni looks like that nerdy guy in lazy town
Kage thinking he's playing Melee when edgeguarding lel
But hey if he's willing to play Sm4sh, I'll totally watch it.
cloud should never lose a stock to any lucina unless you sd, superior character in everyway.
Lucina has a better recovery
ME AND KAGE USE THE SAME GANON COLOUR
That's my Ganon color as well.
top 2 mdva players commentating the match
Kage using someone other than Ganon? Blasphemy!
if youre here for ganon go to 2:40
this is hilarious because my friend and I use lucina and Ganondorf
now if I could only find games without commentating
Amazing
Kage smash4 hype
Great Lucina. But even ZeRo could lose to Ganondorf! :D
Kage's too good lol
Couldn't defend the house, boys
Lucina showed Ganon too much respect
the ganoncides are real
Why do these Lucinas not ever use their counter. Easy win
That Lucina Doe
Kage please
Tournaments need more Lucena players
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
all The needs and geeks I see in the background xD
Why praise Kage when he played the worst?
kage should've down B when he was tilting him
oh man, Im torn as a marth/lucina main cuz I know marth is better but lucina is soooooooo much cooler lol
do not underestimate the dorf!
This is a real fight. Not like Brokeneta ...
hello Mr Salt
c'mon, how you gonna hate on kage
Lucina caught a nasty fist in the mouth LMBO
Ganondorf is so freaking massive compared to Lucina...
Kage is the King of Disrespect!
LETS GO KAGE