George Harrison - Concert For George: Drummer

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  • @straycat7247
    @straycat7247 5 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    "Leaving a hole is as important as filling it"
    Ringo.
    This should be taped and played 24/7 - even while sleeping - to the majority of drummers.
    That is precisely why Ringo is so different and so much better that most.

    • @mrfester42
      @mrfester42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      That's why people who don't know music don't think he's a good drummer. Like all the Beatles, Ringo was the consummate musician. That doesn't mean being wildly technical or flashy. It means that the music always comes first. ALL the Beatles always played to the song and they were always driven to play together to the point that none of them stood out. The song stood out, not the individuals.

    • @rtg1960
      @rtg1960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ringo’s sound is so unique. Very special.

    • @peterx1957
      @peterx1957 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ringo is/was a song drummer and an inspiration to me and my playing, especially in recent years. Sometimes less is more. Knowing when NOT to fill is just as important. Playing appropriately for the song. This is the most important thing I've learned as a drummer.

    • @greenfloyd9531
      @greenfloyd9531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nick Mason is another drummer who has proven that method.

    • @roseroserosierose
      @roseroserosierose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mrfester42 the beatles were never technically amazing at their instruments but they really knew how to drive a song with them

  • @swlabretwquint1311
    @swlabretwquint1311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Jim Keltner is amazing to watch. Just something about the way he moves. This Concert for George, Bob Dylan Anniversary, Concert for the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame, Neil Young live at Red Rocks - I never get tired of watching him play the drums.

    • @sgtpepper1138
      @sgtpepper1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally, watch him with Neil Youn at Red Rocks, 'words' is brilliant.

    • @gpeddino
      @gpeddino 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Something in the way he moves attracts me like no other drummer...

    • @timothy5874
      @timothy5874 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well stated !

  • @enricomenconi7015
    @enricomenconi7015 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That was the last time I saw Ringo playing drums like it was 1970. He played as good as he did in the concert for Bangladesh. What a great drummer he was in his youth

  • @deanbagdasarian5017
    @deanbagdasarian5017 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The side shots during WahWah are a trip.

  • @mindybroffmantakara8287
    @mindybroffmantakara8287 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Ringo was exceptionally exquisite on this concert as a tribute to George!🎶🎶🎶❤️❤️

  • @theslavesofhabit6403
    @theslavesofhabit6403 7 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Why doesn't have this video a million clicks? So great: Jim Keltner and Ringo! Sooo great! Thank you!

  • @garotadagavea
    @garotadagavea 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    "He is so fluid. The rhythm runs down the canvas." Ray Cooper "It is that sloppy, falling down the stairs kind of sound, it is the coolest thing." Abe Laboriel, Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame. Different words, same meaning.

  • @beatlejim64
    @beatlejim64 7 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    Ringo was...and is...the perfect rock 'n' roll drummer!!!

    • @rjo9113
      @rjo9113 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles!

    • @GeoZeppelin1979
      @GeoZeppelin1979 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      u heard of John Bonham aiii?

    • @EdSullivan101
      @EdSullivan101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@GeoZeppelin1979
      If it wasn't for Ringo, you would've never heard of John Bonham.

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GeoZeppelin1979 - Bonham is famous but as drummers go, he couldn't carry Carl Palmer's sticks. Then, again, nobody can.

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ringo is a more famous character than an accomplished drummer.

  • @davidrosen5174
    @davidrosen5174 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Ringo, like Levon Helm, understood that drummers play to the song, not for themselves or to show technical chops. He played drums like Stevie Wonder, not look at me drummers like Neal Pert or Ginger Bake or Buddy Rich. I love Bonham and Peace and Gadd, and Purdee, but Ringo created over 300 Beats that supported his band mates. It’s like comparing a shredder to B.B King. I’ll take BB

    • @mattmarkus4868
      @mattmarkus4868 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh god. it's just a matter of taste. all the drummers you mentioned were great and made great contributions.

  • @WHUFC71
    @WHUFC71 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    All the drummers are so frucking tight! Ringo is such an underrated drummer!!!

    • @markrae1317
      @markrae1317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What utter garbage! Ringo isn't underrated in the slightest! He is universally admired and appreciated.

  • @davidbrennan3613
    @davidbrennan3613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Truly gifted musicians I, god bless them all

  • @Jack-zb7cr
    @Jack-zb7cr ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Jim is in the to 5 all-time Great drummers hands down

  • @julieannejoolz
    @julieannejoolz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Jim Keltner is my all time favourite drummer (apart from Ringo and Ginger Baker) Jim is a melodic player, his drumming is emotional and has a depth that no other drummer...his work with Ry Cooder and John Hiatt is so beautiful..just amazing..

    • @nicklangmusic
      @nicklangmusic ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, he’s definitely in my “Mt. Rushmore” of my personal favorites! So freaking great, and he STILL sounds so freaking great!

  • @brucelamberton8819
    @brucelamberton8819 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Jim Keltner aka Buster Sidebury

  • @wildwoodandonyx
    @wildwoodandonyx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Concert for George is one of the finest musical performances ever caught on film. Any time that I need to calm my grandchildren (ages 2 & 3) I sit them on my lap in the rocking recliner and we watch Give Me Love, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, My Sweet Lord, Handle With Care, Something and Here Comes the Sun. They are true Beatlemaniacs and don’t even know it yet.

    • @iamjesper
      @iamjesper ปีที่แล้ว

      haha thats so funny to hear. so there is actually hope for future generations =) this concert has to be passed on so that we dont forget it

  • @windkraft0670
    @windkraft0670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You have to love Ray Cooper. He was such a funny and great Guy:)

  • @lovelygivan1442
    @lovelygivan1442 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I loved watching the drums on that Song WaWa!

  • @lindascarborough5551
    @lindascarborough5551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I get rhymn, lead, bass, etc., but multiple DRUM players WOW how do they do that? Magnificent ✌✌

  • @brucelamberton8819
    @brucelamberton8819 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The percussion line-up for 'Wah Wah' was incredible: Ringo, Jim Keltner, Ray Cooper, Jim Capaldi and Henry Spinetti (anyone I've forgotten?)

    • @bjr4567
      @bjr4567 ปีที่แล้ว

      Emil Richards 👈

  • @davidgraham8299
    @davidgraham8299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love Ringo so much.

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    George and Ringo were great friends and it's great that drummers can talk about drumming with Ringo.

  • @jimbray3812
    @jimbray3812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love these guys. And Ray Cooper, legend!

  • @DrummerKeithScott
    @DrummerKeithScott 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Whoa….I never knew what Jim Keltner looked like without sunglasses. It’s almost like being a kid and seeing KISS without their makeup for the first time.

  • @greteringgaard3528
    @greteringgaard3528 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Both Ringo and Jim playing to the singer

  • @carlomayr4494
    @carlomayr4494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ringo un ottimo batterista un grande personaggio

  • @julioaranton5223
    @julioaranton5223 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I KNOW HE'S WATCHING FROM WHEREVER HE IS/PEACE UNTO YOU DEAR SOUL. ♥

  • @mrsbluesky8415
    @mrsbluesky8415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love Ringo’s cool factor. Once a Beatle always a Beatle.

  • @tammyleederwhitaker649
    @tammyleederwhitaker649 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for sharing this. I love it!

  • @jessyleppert2
    @jessyleppert2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jim Keltner was in Ringo's first all star band in 1989

  • @stephenwilliams411
    @stephenwilliams411 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Jim Keltner, one of the best

  • @gustavoheberle6265
    @gustavoheberle6265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you guys !!!!

  • @nige-g
    @nige-g 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very enjoyable video, Ringo just being Ringo.
    Peace and Love.🥁

  • @jeffdoyle4703
    @jeffdoyle4703 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    And what a show it was!

  • @taekwanlew
    @taekwanlew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Henry Spinneti was the concert drummer, a damn fine one too, pure class

    • @bjr4567
      @bjr4567 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, along with Jim Keltner ... and RIngo Starr ... and Jim Capaldi for a bit.

  • @kyotocoversjimanderson782
    @kyotocoversjimanderson782 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great to see this.

  • @nige-g
    @nige-g 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ringo more than just a drummer. One quarter of the best band ever.

  • @Onehappyworlds
    @Onehappyworlds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool. Ringo & Jim Keltner. ♥️🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁

  • @lovelygivan1442
    @lovelygivan1442 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I could watch those drummers all day. Camera should've just focused on drummers!

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine how good it would be if you had the best drummers there instead of these guys? Carl Palmer, Ginger Baker, Ian Paice and Steve Gadd?

    • @lovelygivan1442
      @lovelygivan1442 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@justafanintexas7913 The best drummers were there.

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lovelygivan1442 - That ever played with George, yes; of all-time, not even close.

    • @lovelygivan1442
      @lovelygivan1442 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@justafanintexas7913 That's your opinion. So.. Ok

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lovelygivan1442 - Opinion? It's a fact.

  • @doctorrobert1339
    @doctorrobert1339 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It would be aweome to get the whole side shot video from Wah Wah

    • @lovelygivan1442
      @lovelygivan1442 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes it would. I could watch those drummers all day!

  • @randybolt1021
    @randybolt1021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jim Capaldi playing some drums/percussion here too.

  • @JohnNiemsMusic
    @JohnNiemsMusic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    KELTNER FAN CLUB MEMBER HERE! Send a self stamped ELEPHANT folks! GH'S joke way back when! hahaha

  • @MarcoAurelio-ze1un
    @MarcoAurelio-ze1un 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Um vídeo lindo. E ainda nos mostra de quebra o que acredito serem as últimas imagens em um show do Jim Capaldi e Michael Kamen.

    • @bjr4567
      @bjr4567 ปีที่แล้ว

      and Billy Preston.

  • @nickrobinson2833
    @nickrobinson2833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow this is the first time I've ever seen Jim Keltner's eyes. No shades?!

  • @casadistortion
    @casadistortion 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A video about drummers with no drums in the audio. Brilliant.

  • @toddswenson4915
    @toddswenson4915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    where was Henry Spinneti in this video? he was a killer in this concert.

  • @stevedrums1675
    @stevedrums1675 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Michael Kamen. Somehow missed that he was involved in this.

  • @javohr7482
    @javohr7482 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ringo es un tipaso

  • @jameshoran8
    @jameshoran8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keltner's greatest performance? Playing the judge in George Harrison's video, This Song. You know the one. Ronnie Woods is in drag.

  • @TheHuriah1
    @TheHuriah1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4 Baterista no concerto?? acho que houve um certo exagero, mas assisti e vi que ficou super legal.

  • @NVRAMboi
    @NVRAMboi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'll admit to my lack of sophistication, but I've never seen the benefit of more than one drummer (and a percussionist) at a time. I'm quite sure there is both an art and science to it, but it's redundant to me. I thought the same thing while watching the Allman Bros or Doobie Bros back in the '70's. Both Ringo and Jim are legendary for similar and yet very different reasons. Love'em both. Respect the playing of each.

    • @EdSullivan101
      @EdSullivan101 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Large orchestras have several percussionists. They all play different things, which adds to the fullness of sound.

    • @peterx1957
      @peterx1957 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 drummers playing together is a unique experience. I've done that myself. Basically both keep rhythm, but one does most of the 'heavy lifting' with the fills, depending on the respective skill levels of the drummers involved.

    • @wildwoodandonyx
      @wildwoodandonyx ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s how we learned in band. I started as 3rd chair and ended up 1st after a few years. We played a few pieces that required 3 drummers.

  • @Ben-Jamminalot
    @Ben-Jamminalot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was the dude that played with Eric Clapton on the MTV'S unplugged show.

  • @rddavies
    @rddavies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I get Al Pacino vibes from Jim Keltner here.

  • @despoinakappa9412
    @despoinakappa9412 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Why they cut the full concert from you tube??? I can't find it any more!!!!!

    • @despoinakappa9412
      @despoinakappa9412 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's also against the honor to George!!! He wouldn't like it for sure!!! This GREAT tribute belongs to the world who loved him so much!!!

    • @comanchio1976
      @comanchio1976 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because it's probably still for sale (the DVD) and the proceeds went to George's charity

    • @deanbagdasarian5017
      @deanbagdasarian5017 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      THe DVD is WELL WORTH IT

    • @jpaiva2000
      @jpaiva2000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I found this: ok.ru/video/333997478288

    • @victorywoo
      @victorywoo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      illegal uploads are the way to celebrte gerge herrison!!!!!!!!

  • @Miguel-iw3uh
    @Miguel-iw3uh ปีที่แล้ว

    2:00 Ringo Starr

  • @cuauhtemocrisueno
    @cuauhtemocrisueno 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Por favor una versión en español! Gracias.

  • @rongxiang812
    @rongxiang812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi it me the TH-camr have fun!!!!!!!

  • @lorenaot6066
    @lorenaot6066 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A alguien le gustan los héroes de cómic, k simplemente con su gallardía se convierten en esos personajes no necesitando ni disfraz... Luceros bien, k nos da gusto, yeah!

  • @williamblair9597
    @williamblair9597 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a group of percussionist

    • @CB-xr1eg
      @CB-xr1eg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And Ray Cooper is the greatest percussionist (not drummer) ever.

  • @drummingdog5706
    @drummingdog5706 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who was the drummer sitting between ringo and jim? He played great and i dont know who he is

    • @captainswoop8722
      @captainswoop8722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Henry Spinneti brother of the actor Victor Spinnetti

  • @lbell8510
    @lbell8510 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is the middle drummer, older man?

  • @manuelcubillos2006
    @manuelcubillos2006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this guy,Jim Keltner looks like Robert Downey Jr.or not?

    • @scotsnead8972
      @scotsnead8972 ปีที่แล้ว

      Without his glasses, he looks like Groucho Marx. Those eyebrows.

  • @justafanintexas7913
    @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Henry Spinetti was a complete and utter distraction at this show.

    • @romainlabaye
      @romainlabaye 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      THANKS for mentioning it because I was about to. I can't stand him. He's got Jim Keltner and motherf*cking Ringo on both sides but he still wants to be the loudest and the one people look at. What an egocentric jerk.

    • @foldinggreenstuff
      @foldinggreenstuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think he was there as he was part of Erics band at the time along with Chris Stainton who was at the back of beyond with no solo time at all, but Erics musical direction was fantastic.

  • @MrManosv
    @MrManosv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sorry but in this video i want all the others to disapear and Ringo play the drums

  • @joelbrady3282
    @joelbrady3282 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did Jim say the Beatles were beneath him.?

    • @MissBlennerhassett876
      @MissBlennerhassett876 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think he was alluding to his own arrogance as a young man.

  • @mariagraziaarchilletti1144
    @mariagraziaarchilletti1144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perche' Ringo e Paul fanno solo concerti su George? E mai su John? Invidia?

  • @SenorZorrozzz
    @SenorZorrozzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol four drummers!

  • @dankseyer3691
    @dankseyer3691 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, who is the guy that nobody is mentioning? Yep the oldest bald drummer, i found him to be the more energetic during the whole concert.

    • @captainswoop8722
      @captainswoop8722 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Henry Spinneti, brother of the actor Victor Spinneti.

    • @dankseyer3691
      @dankseyer3691 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@captainswoop8722 thank you

    • @MissBlennerhassett876
      @MissBlennerhassett876 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's actually the youngest drummer there. And perhaps the least talented. And definitely the most annoying.

    • @wildwoodandonyx
      @wildwoodandonyx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MissBlennerhassett876 o….k.

    • @MissBlennerhassett876
      @MissBlennerhassett876 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wildwoodandonyx ?

  • @eightinches6094
    @eightinches6094 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The best move the Beatles ever made was dismissing Pete Best and hiring Ringo.

    • @avlisk
      @avlisk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ringo certainly was the perfect drummer for the Beatles, both in style and in personality. He was great as the Conductor on Shining Time Station, too.

  • @pilsnrimgaard2507
    @pilsnrimgaard2507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait...Jim Keltner has eyes....WTF?

  • @johnwatts2232
    @johnwatts2232 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nobodydoesitbetter

  • @mitchellhughes5180
    @mitchellhughes5180 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jim Keltner kinda looks like a muppet.😆

  • @SuperQdaddy
    @SuperQdaddy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no mention of the drummer in the middle. of Ringo and jim.. .who was really doing most of the fills....what's his name ??

    • @kimh5566
      @kimh5566 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm guessing it's Henry Spinetti as the third drummer here. Two percussionists and three drummers on this track. You gotta love it. Other drummers also performed at Concert For George including Jim Capaldi, Phil Capaldi and Steve Ferrone.

    • @rix294
      @rix294 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep Henry Spinetti.Had the pleasure of meeting him a few weeks back at a Beatles drum night with Gary Astridge.Great player,lovely guy.

    • @billaden6401
      @billaden6401 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Henry Spinetti, he was the main drummer for the show.

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@billaden6401 - He was a murderous distraction.

  • @НиколайКамальдинов-р4и
    @НиколайКамальдинов-р4и 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    о ринго. я рад тебя видеть в здравии.но не корчи из себя музыканта.для начала послушай Джона БОНЕМА.

  • @ytnsanw
    @ytnsanw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too bad that Henry Spinetti was completely excluded from even a scant mention in this video...

  • @ikkenhisatsu7170
    @ikkenhisatsu7170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll take Ringo and Jim Keltner over guys like Portnoy all day long.

  • @tedkay_music
    @tedkay_music 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol

  • @Loomismusic
    @Loomismusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you play sloshy and haven't made a lot of money you suck, but if you play sloshy and make billions of dollars with it someone will describe your playing as "like water colors that run down the page" haha

  • @justafanintexas7913
    @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ringo can't swing a tambourine, either.

    • @haythamkenway1817
      @haythamkenway1817 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "So go away, leave me alone, don't bother me"

    • @mrfester42
      @mrfester42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you mean "either"? He's a great tambourine player just like his drum playing.

    • @johntudorhallelujah2976
      @johntudorhallelujah2976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@haythamkenway1817 Nice One....It's been a good good while since I heard that song

  • @GeoZeppelin1979
    @GeoZeppelin1979 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOL musical and fluid? sigh...i wish bonzo was alive so he could show how to REALLY play drums

    • @bobbycampbell3097
      @bobbycampbell3097 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      At first I thought down-voting was appropriate. I was wrong. You want to know what Bonham would've done? Check out his playing with Rockestra... That's the most similar to this situation, and shows that (the excellent!) JHB would have played for the song, just as these guys did. Bonham was fluid and masterful in his way. He would not have come into this concert and played all his licks. The main difference between Bonham and these guys, is Bonham locked into Page much more than Plant. Not better, not worse, just a different approach. Bonham is probably my favorite drummer of all time. Keltner is a monster. And Ringo gets better with every year I get older.

    • @tjkutsin
      @tjkutsin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, I think Bonham would've been floored

    • @EdSullivan101
      @EdSullivan101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apples and oranges. Bonham was his own instrument, and very good at holding down his individual corner of a very powerful trio. Every instrument in Zeppelin was front and center (equal) with the vocal, unlike The Beatles music. Ringo played WITH the others (mainly with the bass) to make an extremely subtle, but total, blend of backing instruments which fit behind the vocals.
      Anyway, Bill Bruford makes them all look like beginners.

    • @justafanintexas7913
      @justafanintexas7913 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bonham, by his own description, was a Neanderthal Slammer. He didn't play this style.

    • @MissBlennerhassett876
      @MissBlennerhassett876 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EdSullivan101 You had me until the Bruford nonsense.