Shit 4 Brains 1 week ago (edited) @Useful Entertainment It's funny that on one of your videos you dissected a practically new 455 engine and said how many new 455s ya gonna find, well I know guy that bought a 66 Chevelle drag car that sat since 1971, it had a brand new 69 455 Toro engine swapped into it back in 1970, the original owner blew up the 396 Chevy engine, went looking for a bigblock engine to put back in it, turns out a train derailed and dumped a load of brand new 69 Toros everywhere. Several ended up in the local junkyard, so dude bought the 455 and swapped it into a Chevelle, started racing again after he added a Engle cam, Edelbrock O4B intake, 780 Holley and headers. Didn't run it long and damaged the engine, so it got pushed into a building and forgotten about for 30+yrs. A buddy of mine ended up buying the car to restore, just so happened I had a 66 396 block laying around, so dude swapped me that complete 455 for my 396 bare block. I took it apart and found a bent pushrod and that was it. That engine literally has less that 2000 miles on it since it was cast. Look brand new inside. I still have it tucked away, gonna build it for a 79 Cutlass I have. But I thought I was the only person with a practically new 69 455. Yours looked just like it except dude put the vintage speed parts on mine. Rare piece for sure. Makes me wonder if yours didn't come from one of the Toros that fell off the train car in Ohio. It's a small world.
It seems like low mileage Olds 455's are a common thing, I'm just reassembling one I took apart recently And It has 0 miles. (I'm not joking) the engine still had paint marks on the valve faces so I know it has never been fired and apart from the paint marks everywhere, there was a white grease on all the bearings. The story from the guy I bought it from is that His boss bought it from the dealer back in the day to put in his boat, but he never got around so it sat in a lot for 50 years and got very rusty looking, so I ended up buying it for $250 and it is Brand spanking new inside, no miles never been fired.
thats crazy but its not unheard of to purchase an engine off a dealer like that. does the motor have a vin number on it or is it just blank? the numbers should be on the block just below the head on the drivers front at the top of cylinder #1@@maxpowerta3183
@@UsefulEntertainment Yeah I've looked at all the numbers, Its has no "VIN" just the weird letter and number combo that you find on marine and industrial motors. literally every other casting number and stamp on this engine would make you think it's a 1972 W30 though including the carb.
My jet boat has a beautiful running high output 390 hp 455bbo. It wants to start as soon as you bump the key and halts to a stop when you turn it off, it’s fresh. It runs like a dream and spins to a max of 4400 rpm with the impeller setup so it’s not been over reved ever. I love the engine but it chugs gas like a cargo ship.
Wow, what a blast from the past - 455, Ratt, Great White, Dokken and all! My God that engine is perfection on the top end! My 79 Regal had 2 455's and none were so clean. What a treasure. Mine was a 69 Ninety-eight at 10.75:1 on dished pistons. 365 hp 510lb-ft torque. Best drivable setup! I love the pre-71 engines. Thanks for sharing such an awesome find.
glad you enjoyed the show, your not going to find another channel that plays with 455s and hair metal all in one package. yeah man, the 455 in this video has been running and driving since august last year. check it out if you like, its in our buick estate wagon.
A 1969 factory Olds 455 could have at MOST 10.25:1 compression. The most compression that could ever be had on a stock Olds big-block would be in a 1966 "Ultra High Compression" 425c.i. motor, and those had 10.5:1. Also, the actual compression of the engines was always lower than the advertised compression was.
Thanks man. It's been in our car running for about a month and a half now, daily driven. Nice the 70 is a good looking car, don't care for the 71-72 all that much.
Nice find! FYI you don’t have to mark the main caps. They have their position number cast into them down near where they meet the block. The Toro pan has a windage baffle in it and holds an extra quart - it’s a 6 quart system.
Thanks for the reply, I did like you said, no end rail gaskets and copious amount of ultra grey on all ports. Luckily it’s an original winters w30 aluminum intake (20 lbs maybe) torqued to specs, three hundred miles later, haven’t lost a drop of oil or coolant. Thanks for the reply and for taking the time for making that very helpful video
I've got one of these in a jet boat, Put a thermoquad on, bored 0.030 and balanced. Runs like a dream. I rarely spin it much past 4500 though, don't wanna blow it up.
Nice man. the one in this video has been rebuilt and thrown in my dads wagon back in august 2019, runs like a top and usually wind it out to about 5k but its been to 5500 a few times.
Nice 455 olds you asked if there was a nother one out there well I have an 1970 oldsmobile toronado all numbers matching car 130.000 miles on her blew valve guide seals pulled it apart was very impressed how clean it was I'm rebuild now. Good luck with yours yes very hard find the more I learn about my Escape Machine the more I love it
Things a real Oldsmobile fans dream of! We have a 455 that has a similar problem with stuck valves from sitting for ages. Thank you for posting the adventures with the Oldsmobiles!
That is factory defective motor. Gm had issues with bearing in the late 1960's to 1971... that is an motor pulled most likely at the old dealer and replaced with a new one from gm
Should have tried to find a 425 from a Toronado as well. Now would be a good time to get some NON dished pistons and a performance cam, ARP studs all the way around. Love the crosshatch pattern on the bores, WTF. Factory original W30 cam was at .050s @ 232 duration. Crane and Comp cams extreme cams are out there to replicate that performance.
The guy i got this from sold me this 69 and a 70 455 as a pacage deal. This one has been running and driving in our station wagon since August and the 70 is now in my 68 cutlass. He had a 425 but it i didnt have the cash to buy all his motors lol.
@@UsefulEntertainment been looking for a decent 425. BTW, you do know, you can take the internals out of the 455 and drop in the 425 internals which is regarded as a better engine. the 425 has larger lifter bores and different lifter angles. It is just better to use the 455 block. Thought I read some where a set of studs from a Ford Big Block can be used for the main (check that first).
@@w41duvernay NOT all 425's had the large lifters and 45° lifter bank angles. I've had several 425 blocks that had the common .842 lifter bores and the later 39° lifter bank angle.
I have a 73 455 marine in my jet boat. It’s a bad ass motor. Cruises about 35 at about 3500 rpm easily pushes the boat and 4 adults to 50+. And it’s all original
Great Video my man. All the original narkings ,delco plugs,timing chain, etc is a very clean motor for the year. Im shocked with how the cylinders looked. Myself i would use all new bearings,seals,gaskets, It's been sitting for 40+years and you dont know if everything was torqued down to spec. Anyone could have thrown clean oil in it. The bearings do have some wear. But it's impressive. Great Score my Man. I would save the intake and manifolds that way if you ever do want to sell the engine you have all the number matching parts👍.
You are going to like this channel lol. I strongly suggest subscribing, watching the most recent video or the 455 being built for the cutlass, and wait for the most current video coming out over the weekend. 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Those paint markings are probably witness marks. See them all the times on new cars when i worked at honda. Basiclly when the line worker is torquing down a bolt, after he torques it, him or a partner paints a line over it to show it has been torqued.
motor. Got the bad case of sitting around. I have the same motor not rebuild with the transmission. Not running. Thanks dude don't know what it was till now😎
GMC used these in their motorhomes from 73 to 77 when they switched to the 403. and ended production in 78.. They made almost 13000 of them.. I own a 78 Royale w/ the 403...
Yep, they are called GMC Cortez motor homes, they use the Toronado transmission, theres been one in our junkyard since the early 90s thats just been decaying. Nice, hope you get the chance to enjoy it often.
@@UsefulEntertainment The Cortez is a whole different model. and was not built by GMC... The GMC Motorhomes that were actually factory built are these.. th-cam.com/video/up8qwjMWCnM/w-d-xo.html Early commercial for the motorhomes.. Remember the movie Stripes? That was a GMC Motorhome...
Forged steel bottom end looks Excellent.. like totally tubular, dude. 425ci Olds engine owner. in a 1964 F85 Cutlass. Mtr was in a '66-67 Toro, engine built in mid 90's and runs like a raped ape.. starts first click of the key, factory HEI headers and a Performer RPM intake, Rochester Q-Jet 800cfm. basic, simple, PC Muscle car, 2dr post. sedan.
Good stuff man, that's a clean motor for sure. Those electric guns are great to have. I've got one of those Milwaukee guns like your using. Also have an electric ratchet. They really come in handy.
Great vid. Oh that be awesome in the wagon, can't wait to see that vid. I got to get working on my engine, and I buying another olds, 1964 with 394 rocket high compression
@@UsefulEntertainment lol it might, we still 4 feet of snow we melting. I got 66 olds 88 I told you about, but I bought another olds car to add to collection. 1964 olds 98, factory 394 rocket 350 hp. Power everything, ac. Cruise. I think I'm going to have to pull 394 and go thru it tho. Cuz previous owner never put lead addtive in fuel, and never put hardened Valve seats in the heads ☹️.
Im restoring a 68 W-34 Toronado. Has C heads number matching w-34. Recently the rocker links detonated in turn shoving the rockers out. I would like to keep the C heads and the engine number matching. Would you recommend a rebuild on the heads? If so what would you recommend? Also the previous owner was the grandson of the original owners he trashed it. He "rebuilt the engine." He clearly didnt know what he had. He backed up into a wall busting the rear carved bumper (tossed it.) One of those people who has money to send is cars to the shop I really dont trust the rebuild job. He didnt have gaskets on the carburetor he rebuilt. So after this rant im asking. Should i do a full rebuild?
Holy shit!!! I don't know what to say Bro! It is like brand new!!! Loved that shot of the chain with the brightness of the nylon still there! And the paint markings too, wow, that's the big mystery... I hope it is All original like this and not rebuilt.. Cause it's Super clean inside, hahaha!! Wow Brother! Wow!!
@@UsefulEntertainment Hahaha, Yeah Bro! I'm glad you were filming and caught your expressions as you went along and found out more and more how mind blowing this is, hahaha!!! Oh Bro, I don't know what happened. Then on top of that I've had bad Wi-Fi the last 2 weeks after a storm, it's finally back right. Just some things on my mind, I guess, now that I think about it haha. But this video made my day Bro, you've stumbled onto a gem, hahaha!
thanks man, not too common. i absolutely love the 68-69s and i do like the 70 also but unfortunately it seems the 71-72s are the most common and i dont care for them, dont like the front ends, the prissy looking tail lights and i also dont like the change of woodgrain in the interiors for 71 & 72s or the hand strap they put on the door panels. cool man, whats the story on your 68???
Great video ! Also have a 70 toro 455 in my 70 cs. I have to replace intake manifold (valley pan)gasket. Any tips on installing?do you use sealant around the all the ports or just the water. I’m losing a lot of oil through the intake and it’s not from the pcv system and not valve seals either
hey man, honestly ive done them with sealer around both the water jackets and intake ports and some with just the water jackets. it wont hurt to seal everything. get a good valley pan gasket and make sure you got a good friend to help put that thing on, the intake weighs about 80 pounds. another thing, dont use the gaskets they give you for the front and back of the motor / intake, use a thick bead of silicone. ive had problems with the rubber gasket pushing out from in between the intake and the block as soon as i start to tighten the bolts.
@@UsefulEntertainment you can have a problem when using silicone around the intake ports due to gasoline eats/dissolves silicone & can cause a vacuum leak! I always either just clean the surfaces & use nothing on the intake ports or use that copper sealant! I have reused a tin gasket & used copper sealant & never had a problem as long as the gasket isn't damaged removing it!
I don't use the expensive "turkey tray" gasket. I use the paper type intake gaskets, silicone around the water ports only, and toss the china rail gaskets in the garbage and use silicone there. Never had an issue that way.
Lucky find. Love the old school music in the vid. What's ur plan with the motor when u finish putting back together? Great vid bro. Can't wait to see more of this project u have here👍
Hope after you established what year this 455 was(for compression ratio), you swapped out the factory valve springs, and factory cam for something that had more performance.
It was not a turbo it is a heat riser to warm up the air that went into the air filter... I've had do many small and big block olds motor's from different cars and they never had a turbo on then unless it was early '60's it the push rod is bent it was wound up to high for the rpm's might have a bent connecting rod and damaged piston ... Have fun good luck ... The oil pan is 5 quart and has a sundae tray if you were smart you would use that pan and windage tray ad remember you need a tornado oil pump becouse the pick up is longer that extra quart of oil is well needed for Oldsmobile motor's.
Man bro, u r working on a Oldsmobile motor , a T A sitting there listening to Rat and Fast Way I think we might be related lol, Rite up my alley..🌽🍕lol, I have a 72 Oldsmobile my dad got in 77 , first car in high school graduated in 93
I would leave the bottom end alone and clean up the heads even the cam would be fine maybe an oil pump maybe . Slap the heads back on it and the intake rebuild the quadrajet and run the bastard it's new from the factory don't. Touch it it will never be the same as it is now there's no need to even loosen a rod bolt
Wow I jumped the gun the bearings must have had a thin layer of rust and when you were turning it over by hand did that it had to be what else could it be break In maybe although I've seen better bearings in a hundred thousand mile motor
@@UsefulEntertainment Good to know! On another note, Everything is so so clean but why is there so much carbon on the pistons and there seems to be a ridge on top of the bore walls.. Would the JB blaster swell up the little carbon it might of had to make it look alot more?
I'm a little over 3 minutes in. Bent pushrod. Let me guess the rest. Fix Get running. Rev to 5501 and eat main bearing and rebuild. Been there done that
@@davelowets ok. So? I saw a Ford Taurus on the internet with 980k miles on it. I haven't had an Oldsmobile in 20 years. I'm sure there are more 455s revving that high today but the engine is well known for being a low 5000 rpm range engine.
@@charlesnemes3373 I'm in Harrisburg. I was going to sit on them and possibly use them on my brothers 85 Riviera. Was thinking about swapping his 307 for a 350 but I may consider letting them go. What's your project?
I have a 1970 oldsmobile toronado gt all numbers matching car like to keep her all with true parts not an easy car to find parts for. They only made it one year for the body style only 5341 gt ever made
@@charlesnemes3373 Oww I like the 70 model year, i know exactly what they look like. being a GT does it have bucket seats??? Ill sell them to you if you want, hows $100 sound for the pair.
Luckily for you, never got that lucky. I've seen a mess, spun bearings, bent rods. Holes in the block. That would be a "fish story" yeah low miles, nearly broke in. But you have it in front of you.
yeah man, i posted the video to the olds forums and the guys on there went apeshit lol, the fact that its a 69 toro motor with all the best stuff from the factory is what makes this thing such a story too. it wouldnt be half as cool if it were say a 74 or 76 engine ya know
Those bearing scratches looked like they could have been from you turning the engine over dry after freeing the pistons. They look fresh and don't go all the way around the bearing. Replace em and put her back together with a modern cam and away you go. I'd even keep and rebuild the QuadraJet. Glad I got to watch this piece of Olds Archeology before it unfortunately gets taken down for a copyright strike on the awesome background music by the TH-cam dicks.
Yeah thats what I figured too. the motor is back up and running with a hotter cam, everything else is stock. even kept the quadrajet. Look up 455 buick estate wagon and youl see it in action, mine is the hammered looking dark blue one. dont worry about them taking down my video, they wont, they just dont let me get payed for this one.
actually, the early toros 60s- early 70s they painted them the same blue pontiac was using, this one has just been sitting so long it has no more paint
@@mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff hah, nope, 68 -69 hurst olds motors were red. Olds started painting their motors black when the 307 came out in 81, im not sure but the 260 and diesels could've been black as well.
Theres a 700r4, its a pretty common trans, you dont want that one so if you come across one dont get it, they are specific to chevys. The one you want is a 2004r they come in pretty much everything else thats rwd from the 80s, buick estate wagons, custom cruisers, cars like that. Where it gets tricky is the later montie carlos even had them because they started using universal bellhousings. When you look at them try to get a later one and what ever you do, dont buy one from a late 70s car, chances are its the metric version. They made 2 types of 2004r trans. The metric ones will blow up with a v6 let alone a 455. Its easy to spot them because they have the word metric stamped into the pan. Do some digging on Google and you should learn the basics of the 200 4r you need.
@@UsefulEntertainment thanks, much appreciated, I recently bought a 72 olds 98 2dr, plans are to lower it a bit, wire wheels, nice paint etc... i dont plan on beating on it, but with the price of gas, it would be nice to have overdrive. Btw, are all 72 455S the same? This one is painted blue and has a Q-jet crb. Someone told me that mine was a low hp version and the gold ones were better. I always thought the 350S were gold, any info would be appreciated thanks
hah any gold olds motor is a 330 or a 350, I do know starting in 71 they dropped the compression a bit but if yours is original to your 98, you got a pretty good motor 98s got top of the line motors.
@@UsefulEntertainmentThank you, I dont know a lot about olds motors, so any information is much appreciated. The only other olds I owned was a 70 cutlass 350 about 30 years ago, so any tips or info on this 72 455 I would welcome.... MK
301 turbo is pretty snappy with upped boost pressure and other adjustments, it breaks the tires loose and kicks out when you sift into second. that car handles like its on rails and im not going to sacrifice that.
@midnitesquirldog1 don't quote me but I believe the 301 is actually it's own motor separate from the classic Pontiac v8 design and visibly it is tiny compared to the Pontiac 455 in our other Trans am in the storage unit.
@@UsefulEntertainment that’s your rude comment, a mom joke? What are you, stuck in middle school? The engine you are opening up shows bearing wear, for you to claim it is a low mileage example is naive, uninformed, and not a mechanically sound observation.
@@paulvarrieur976 yes, I never left middle school. I believe the bearing wear is due to it being spun over by previous owners after the motor sat for years without pulling the distributor to pump up oil pressure. The bearings are the only thing that showed any wear, not only that, they had excessive wear opposed to anything else in the motor.
Better than Cadillac could have ever done? that's not facts Toronado it's a piece of crap compared to the caddy. Of that age Cadillac 472 and 500 cubic inch. We're great GM Motors. Buick made the better 455. But that's like comparing oranges to oranges
What I was saying is Toronado worked real hard to prove its self out of the gates to compete in the luxury market and make a name for it's self as where Cadillac was lazy in the late 60s. They built boring cars for old people and they relied on their reputation of greatness they once had. To be honest I think Cadillac peaked out in excellence in 1959. As for motors, yes the 472s and 500s were great motors. If you want to compare 455s, the buick 455 may have made excellent power and weighed the least out of the 3 but that doesn't change the fact that the aluminum timing covers would wear out and the engines would suffer critically low oil pressure. So for reliability id take an olds 455 over the buick any day. On another note the Toronados were so crappy compared to the Cadillacs, that caddy adopted the Toronados, goofy FWD set up.
@midnitesquirldog1 Yeah but, Pontiac had the only 4 bolt main 455 out of the 3. The HO and SD heads are far better than the other BOP 455`s. Buick and Olds oiling systems are marginal. Caddy also.
@midnitesquirldog1 I agree with you to a certain extent. But I still stand by my earlier statement. 1000hp? Better check for core shift. Most factory blocks, one is getting to unreliable territory after 650 to 750 hp. Including chevy, mopar and ford. I might not be an expert, but at 56 yrs. old and having turned wrenches for 30 yrs or so, I might have learned a little somethin. It`s all good.
Not sure how true that is, we had our share of big block cars of late 60s thru 70s. Chevy, Olds, pontiac, buick, caddys.fords and chryslers. The 455 Olds in our Deltas, 98s, cutlass, all got thrashed, we would beat em to death all nite, and always got us home. Cant say same for our Fleetwood, Electra, or Bonneville. Firebird. XCept 400 pontiac grand prix and f bird, they were tough. Our toro suffered from cv and trans problems but what a ride. BB olds outlasted them all , really hard to kill. Awesome exhaust note with factory cam and carb. Our bb fords were pretty durable in t-bird and ltd. Dodge and chrylers took a beating too but had crappy ride and interiors. Those were the days my friends.
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@Useful Entertainment It's funny that on one of your videos you dissected a practically new 455 engine and said how many new 455s ya gonna find, well I know guy that bought a 66 Chevelle drag car that sat since 1971, it had a brand new 69 455 Toro engine swapped into it back in 1970, the original owner blew up the 396 Chevy engine, went looking for a bigblock engine to put back in it, turns out a train derailed and dumped a load of brand new 69 Toros everywhere. Several ended up in the local junkyard, so dude bought the 455 and swapped it into a Chevelle, started racing again after he added a Engle cam, Edelbrock O4B intake, 780 Holley and headers. Didn't run it long and damaged the engine, so it got pushed into a building and forgotten about for 30+yrs. A buddy of mine ended up buying the car to restore, just so happened I had a 66 396 block laying around, so dude swapped me that complete 455 for my 396 bare block. I took it apart and found a bent pushrod and that was it. That engine literally has less that 2000 miles on it since it was cast. Look brand new inside. I still have it tucked away, gonna build it for a 79 Cutlass I have. But I thought I was the only person with a practically new 69 455. Yours looked just like it except dude put the vintage speed parts on mine. Rare piece for sure. Makes me wonder if yours didn't come from one of the Toros that fell off the train car in Ohio. It's a small world.
I can't tell if you are joking about the train car full of oldsmobile engines or not lmao
Go to Mondello Performance they may have the steel head gaskets. If that a late 60's 455, those are rated around 400HP+ in the Tornado.
It seems like low mileage Olds 455's are a common thing, I'm just reassembling one I took apart recently And It has 0 miles. (I'm not joking) the engine still had paint marks on the valve faces so I know it has never been fired and apart from the paint marks everywhere, there was a white grease on all the bearings. The story from the guy I bought it from is that His boss bought it from the dealer back in the day to put in his boat, but he never got around so it sat in a lot for 50 years and got very rusty looking, so I ended up buying it for $250 and it is Brand spanking new inside, no miles never been fired.
thats crazy but its not unheard of to purchase an engine off a dealer like that. does the motor have a vin number on it or is it just blank?
the numbers should be on the block just below the head on the drivers front at the top of cylinder #1@@maxpowerta3183
@@UsefulEntertainment Yeah I've looked at all the numbers, Its has no "VIN" just the weird letter and number combo that you find on marine and industrial motors. literally every other casting number and stamp on this engine would make you think it's a 1972 W30 though including the carb.
My jet boat has a beautiful running high output 390 hp 455bbo. It wants to start as soon as you bump the key and halts to a stop when you turn it off, it’s fresh. It runs like a dream and spins to a max of 4400 rpm with the impeller setup so it’s not been over reved ever. I love the engine but it chugs gas like a cargo ship.
Jet drives only about 50% as efficient as propellers so they will suck gas bad...
Wow, what a blast from the past - 455, Ratt, Great White, Dokken and all! My God that engine is perfection on the top end! My 79 Regal had 2 455's and none were so clean. What a treasure. Mine was a 69 Ninety-eight at 10.75:1 on dished pistons. 365 hp 510lb-ft torque. Best drivable setup! I love the pre-71 engines. Thanks for sharing such an awesome find.
glad you enjoyed the show, your not going to find another channel that plays with 455s and hair metal all in one package. yeah man, the 455 in this video has been running and driving since august last year. check it out if you like, its in our buick estate wagon.
A 1969 factory Olds 455 could have at MOST 10.25:1 compression. The most compression that could ever be had on a stock Olds big-block would be in a 1966 "Ultra High Compression" 425c.i. motor, and those had 10.5:1. Also, the actual compression of the engines was always lower than the advertised compression was.
@@UsefulEntertainment I don't have a 455, but I do have a 505" big block Olds, and I love hair metal.... 😁🤘
@@davelowets right on man
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As a long time Olds guy, Awesome score!!! 1970 Olds 442 here
Thanks man. It's been in our car running for about a month and a half now, daily driven. Nice the 70 is a good looking car, don't care for the 71-72 all that much.
@@UsefulEntertainment DAMN I got a olds 403 with 60 thousand and I thought I hit a score for my 79 trans am 😭
@@orlandodavidson6011 believe me, owning an 79-81 trans am IS a score.
Nice find! FYI you don’t have to mark the main caps. They have their position number cast into them down near where they meet the block.
The Toro pan has a windage baffle in it and holds an extra quart - it’s a 6 quart system.
Yup.
This motor has been in a daily driver since August 2019 and it's been pretty good.
Thanks for the reply, I did like you said, no end rail gaskets and copious amount of ultra grey on all ports. Luckily it’s an original winters w30 aluminum intake (20 lbs maybe) torqued to specs, three hundred miles later, haven’t lost a drop of oil or coolant. Thanks for the reply and for taking the time for making that very helpful video
Hey man im glad everything worked out well for you and thanks for the feedback.
I've got one of these in a jet boat, Put a thermoquad on, bored 0.030 and balanced. Runs like a dream. I rarely spin it much past 4500 though, don't wanna blow it up.
Nice man. the one in this video has been rebuilt and thrown in my dads wagon back in august 2019, runs like a top and usually wind it out to about 5k but its been to 5500 a few times.
That's wise to keep it under 5k in a boat.. 👌
Nice 455 olds you asked if there was a nother one out there well I have an 1970 oldsmobile toronado all numbers matching car 130.000 miles on her blew valve guide seals pulled it apart was very impressed how clean it was I'm rebuild now. Good luck with yours yes very hard find the more I learn about my Escape Machine the more I love it
Things a real Oldsmobile fans dream of! We have a 455 that has a similar problem with stuck valves from sitting for ages. Thank you for posting the adventures with the Oldsmobiles!
Yup, this one is the red one we dropped in the wagon.
That is factory defective motor. Gm had issues with bearing in the late 1960's to 1971... that is an motor pulled most likely at the old dealer and replaced with a new one from gm
Then why would it still have all the accessories on it 🤔
Like dist., pulleys, exhaust manifolds, etc????
I've been into Olds motors for 30 years, and I've never heard of such a thing.
The olds 455 was used in many applications. They were used for irrigation on farms to speed boats. So many of these engines were rebuilt and stored.
Should have tried to find a 425 from a Toronado as well. Now would be a good time to get some NON dished pistons and a performance cam, ARP studs all the way around. Love the crosshatch pattern on the bores, WTF. Factory original W30 cam was at .050s @ 232 duration. Crane and Comp cams extreme cams are out there to replicate that performance.
The guy i got this from sold me this 69 and a 70 455 as a pacage deal. This one has been running and driving in our station wagon since August and the 70 is now in my 68 cutlass. He had a 425 but it i didnt have the cash to buy all his motors lol.
@@UsefulEntertainment been looking for a decent 425. BTW, you do know, you can take the internals out of the 455 and drop in the 425 internals which is regarded as a better engine. the 425 has larger lifter bores and different lifter angles. It is just better to use the 455 block. Thought I read some where a set of studs from a Ford Big Block can be used for the main (check that first).
@@w41duvernay NOT all 425's had the large lifters and 45° lifter bank angles. I've had several 425 blocks that had the common .842 lifter bores and the later 39° lifter bank angle.
@@davelowetsI would still kill for that 425 crank. THANKS for the reminder that the lifter bores and angle were different than the 455.
Those rod bearings show that there not quite broke in afew more hours on the engine you wouldn’t see what you see on the bearing surface
I have a 73 455 marine in my jet boat. It’s a bad ass motor. Cruises about 35 at about 3500 rpm easily pushes the boat and 4 adults to 50+. And it’s all original
thats awesome. i boought a 350 olds someone rebuilt to W31 specs then totaled the car. got it and the trans 350 th for 300 bucks.
talk about a score
Great Video my man. All the original narkings ,delco plugs,timing chain, etc is a very clean motor for the year. Im shocked with how the cylinders looked. Myself i would use all new bearings,seals,gaskets, It's been sitting for 40+years and you dont know if everything was torqued down to spec. Anyone could have thrown clean oil in it. The bearings do have some wear. But it's impressive. Great Score my Man. I would save the intake and manifolds that way if you ever do want to sell the engine you have all the number matching parts👍.
you know that is a good idea keeping the intake and manifolds. its getting new bearings gaskets and rings too. thanks for stopping by man.
Anytime my man. Im HAPPY/PROUD OF YOU👍. Hell I want a bb 455.
@@stevie..d..pontiactransamm1215 thanks man. You should build a Pontiac 455.
Thats the goal my man. The cheapest one I found my way was $600 in pieces Ioffered $500 but he marked it as sold. Trust me I will buy one my man👍.
I love the Ratt and Great White in the background...
You are going to like this channel lol.
I strongly suggest subscribing, watching the most recent video or the 455 being built for the cutlass, and wait for the most current video coming out over the weekend.
🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Its beautiful I side I remember back in the day it was so odd to see a front wheel drive doing a burnout
Wow !!! Nice find I wish I could have found that before I broke the bank on my sb olds I love the 455 olds
I did sold it in 2016. Yes I have same spark plugs for. I had it done in 2004 it sit ran one time but not in a car.
Nice score! Background music was killer 🤘🤘🤘🤘
The amount of wow , brand new , and hype in the video propel it to greatness.
That Milwaukee looks like it made every thing alot easier and faster ;)
yeah the impact gun made life nice. i was hyped man you just dont find stuff like this.
Those paint markings are probably witness marks. See them all the times on new cars when i worked at honda. Basiclly when the line worker is torquing down a bolt, after he torques it, him or a partner paints a line over it to show it has been torqued.
motor. Got the bad case of sitting around. I have the same motor not rebuild with the transmission. Not running. Thanks dude don't know what it was till now😎
GMC used these in their motorhomes from 73 to 77 when they switched to the 403. and ended production in 78.. They made almost 13000 of them.. I own a 78 Royale w/ the 403...
Yep, they are called GMC Cortez motor homes, they use the Toronado transmission, theres been one in our junkyard since the early 90s thats just been decaying. Nice, hope you get the chance to enjoy it often.
@@UsefulEntertainment The Cortez is a whole different model. and was not built by GMC... The GMC Motorhomes that were actually factory built are these.. th-cam.com/video/up8qwjMWCnM/w-d-xo.html Early commercial for the motorhomes.. Remember the movie Stripes? That was a GMC Motorhome...
ahh ok i was only aware of the fwd motor homes, cool
@@UsefulEntertainment They ARE all fwd Toronado engines...
i see that now, i forgot the difference but i got ya
I have a Escalade that I think one of these would look fantastic in.
Currently has a 403hp 6.2 but like the simplicity of carbs is nice. These beasts have so much low end torque.
ITS GOT SOME MILES ON IT, RUST IN THE WATER PASSAGES, CARBON ON THE PISTONS, ITS FOR SURE NOT A ZERO MILE ENGINE
yeah, guessing between 5 and 10k
Forged steel bottom end looks Excellent.. like totally tubular, dude. 425ci Olds engine owner. in a 1964 F85 Cutlass. Mtr was in a '66-67 Toro, engine built in mid 90's and runs like a raped ape.. starts first click of the key, factory HEI headers and a Performer RPM intake, Rochester Q-Jet 800cfm. basic, simple, PC Muscle car, 2dr post. sedan.
Good find guys just got my sub,dig the music also ,thanks for the effort it took to make this
Cool man, got more olds videos coming shortly
Good stuff man, that's a clean motor for sure. Those electric guns are great to have. I've got one of those Milwaukee guns like your using. Also have an electric ratchet. They really come in handy.
im about to buy one, hate using my small air compressor.
That crank will clean up perfectly
I wonder if the bearings look like that from a lot of cold starts but not really driving it
Im not sure, could also be from being so dry all those years and then being spun over
Great vid. Oh that be awesome in the wagon, can't wait to see that vid. I got to get working on my engine, and I buying another olds, 1964 with 394 rocket high compression
hope this helps with motivation lol. cool, those didnt come factory with a 394 did they?
@@UsefulEntertainment lol it might, we still 4 feet of snow we melting. I got 66 olds 88 I told you about, but I bought another olds car to add to collection. 1964 olds 98, factory 394 rocket 350 hp. Power everything, ac. Cruise. I think I'm going to have to pull 394 and go thru it tho. Cuz previous owner never put lead addtive in fuel, and never put hardened Valve seats in the heads ☹️.
Im restoring a 68 W-34 Toronado. Has C heads number matching w-34. Recently the rocker links detonated in turn shoving the rockers out. I would like to keep the C heads and the engine number matching. Would you recommend a rebuild on the heads? If so what would you recommend? Also the previous owner was the grandson of the original owners he trashed it. He "rebuilt the engine." He clearly didnt know what he had. He backed up into a wall busting the rear carved bumper (tossed it.) One of those people who has money to send is cars to the shop I really dont trust the rebuild job. He didnt have gaskets on the carburetor he rebuilt. So after this rant im asking. Should i do a full rebuild?
awesome. that thing is a great find. very little wear. i wonder if it even made it pass the break in
my guess is it was wrecked immediately after purchase.
had to have been that thing is nice
Holy shit!!! I don't know what to say Bro! It is like brand new!!! Loved that shot of the chain with the brightness of the nylon still there! And the paint markings too, wow, that's the big mystery... I hope it is All original like this and not rebuilt.. Cause it's Super clean inside, hahaha!! Wow Brother! Wow!!
Yeah buddy, it's confirmed, it's never been opened up before. Really is a mystery. Where have you been hiding?
@@UsefulEntertainment Hahaha, Yeah Bro! I'm glad you were filming and caught your expressions as you went along and found out more and more how mind blowing this is, hahaha!!! Oh Bro, I don't know what happened. Then on top of that I've had bad Wi-Fi the last 2 weeks after a storm, it's finally back right. Just some things on my mind, I guess, now that I think about it haha. But this video made my day Bro, you've stumbled onto a gem, hahaha!
Nice 68 got one sitting in my garage to
thanks man, not too common. i absolutely love the 68-69s and i do like the 70 also but unfortunately it seems the 71-72s are the most common and i dont care for them, dont like the front ends, the prissy looking tail lights and i also dont like the change of woodgrain in the interiors for 71 & 72s or the hand strap they put on the door panels. cool man, whats the story on your 68???
Ratt and Roll, Baby!!!
Always Looking for Love and timing gear teeth in the oil pick up!
one of the best comments man!!!
I hope you Changed the Valves that was a Leaded Gas Engine, crap ob piston could be carbon lead deposits?
yeah valves were pitted so i canned tham. motor runs great in the wagon we put it in
Great video ! Also have a 70 toro 455 in my 70 cs. I have to replace intake manifold (valley pan)gasket. Any tips on installing?do you use sealant around the all the ports or just the water. I’m losing a lot of oil through the intake and it’s not from the pcv system and not valve seals either
hey man, honestly ive done them with sealer around both the water jackets and intake ports and some with just the water jackets. it wont hurt to seal everything. get a good valley pan gasket and make sure you got a good friend to help put that thing on, the intake weighs about 80 pounds. another thing, dont use the gaskets they give you for the front and back of the motor / intake, use a thick bead of silicone. ive had problems with the rubber gasket pushing out from in between the intake and the block as soon as i start to tighten the bolts.
@@UsefulEntertainment you can have a problem when using silicone around the intake ports due to gasoline eats/dissolves silicone & can cause a vacuum leak! I always either just clean the surfaces & use nothing on the intake ports or use that copper sealant! I have reused a tin gasket & used copper sealant & never had a problem as long as the gasket isn't damaged removing it!
I don't use the expensive "turkey tray" gasket. I use the paper type intake gaskets, silicone around the water ports only, and toss the china rail gaskets in the garbage and use silicone there. Never had an issue that way.
It would have been fine though I'm sure with the bearings it had in it w new good oil
Lucky find. Love the old school music in the vid. What's ur plan with the motor when u finish putting back together? Great vid bro. Can't wait to see more of this project u have here👍
I'm going to put the motor in my dad's station wagon. Thanks man stay tuned.
Hope after you established what year this 455 was(for compression ratio), you swapped out the factory valve springs, and factory cam for something that had more performance.
I did, had the heads redone and stuck a 496/520 cam in it. Motors been on the road since August last year, pulls strong
It was not a turbo it is a heat riser to warm up the air that went into the air filter... I've had do many small and big block olds motor's from different cars and they never had a turbo on then unless it was early '60's it the push rod is bent it was wound up to high for the rpm's might have a bent connecting rod and damaged piston ... Have fun good luck ... The oil pan is 5 quart and has a sundae tray if you were smart you would use that pan and windage tray ad remember you need a tornado oil pump becouse the pick up is longer that extra quart of oil is well needed for Oldsmobile motor's.
Yep, i was making a joke about the turbo. Ive actually had the motor back together and in a daily driver since August 2019. Thing runs pretty well.
The bigger Toronado pan and factory "windage tray" has been proven to suck, and actually rob some h.p. from the engine. Toss those things in the bin..
It very well be low mileage, i would take it apart put all new gaskets and whatever else it needs and run it.
That's exactly what I did, it's in our buick estate wagon we drive very day
Man bro, u r working on a Oldsmobile motor , a T A sitting there listening to Rat and Fast Way I think we might be related lol, Rite up my alley..🌽🍕lol, I have a 72 Oldsmobile my dad got in 77 , first car in high school graduated in 93
lol, yeah man, not many channels are going to offer that package. cool man, what kind of olds is it
Stupid question... what bolts did you use to mount the engine to the engine stand?? 🤦♂️
I used what came with the stand when I bought it from a guy. I'd talk to someone at the hardware store.
Tornados Have a look very low profile intake manifold.
The engine went to the right guy.
It's been on the road in my dad's daily for 3 years already. Runs good.
I would leave the bottom end alone and clean up the heads even the cam would be fine maybe an oil pump maybe . Slap the heads back on it and the intake rebuild the quadrajet and run the bastard it's new from the factory don't. Touch it it will never be the same as it is now there's no need to even loosen a rod bolt
Wow I jumped the gun the bearings must have had a thin layer of rust and when you were turning it over by hand did that it had to be what else could it be break In maybe although I've seen better bearings in a hundred thousand mile motor
Wait, turning it over seized hurt the crank with the valves stuck, NO WAY bro.
Doesnt matter, the motor has been rebuilt and has been on the road since August 2019
Hell yeah nos 455 sweet
Those can't be factory connecting rod bolts?? They look like ARP bolts don't they??
Nope lol their factory. Every olds motor I've ever had apart looks the same way
@@UsefulEntertainment Good to know! On another note, Everything is so so clean but why is there so much carbon on the pistons and there seems to be a ridge on top of the bore walls.. Would the JB blaster swell up the little carbon it might of had to make it look alot more?
You should be able to tell if it's low mileage when you see the head gaskets and pistons.
What's that going to tell you?? Nothing
Think that intakes heavy...try a factory ford 428 intake
How heavy are they?
@@UsefulEntertainment every bit of 75 pounds....remember 1/3 of the valve covers seal on it and pushrod go through it
@@johnhull6363 ohh shit
Useful Entertainment 429/460 manifold is 90 lbs...
I'm a little over 3 minutes in. Bent pushrod. Let me guess the rest. Fix
Get running.
Rev to 5501 and eat main bearing and rebuild.
Been there done that
I've never had an issue eating bearings at 6000 RPMs... 🤷🏻
@@davelowets ok. So? I saw a Ford Taurus on the internet with 980k miles on it. I haven't had an Oldsmobile in 20 years. I'm sure there are more 455s revving that high today but the engine is well known for being a low 5000 rpm range engine.
Love the music...w-30 rules
yeah man. put it in the car back in august and the thing rips
Tell us the last time you got some strange that made you this happy
Last time I spent the night at my uncle's...
@@UsefulEntertainment not sure unc counts as strange...lol. But ok
@@johnhull6363 it was a joke
@@UsefulEntertainment so was response Marty...real nice find....but i have a question...is there any problems using a fwd block in rwd car?
@@johnhull6363 the exhaust manifolds are not compatible and the oil filter adapter is fwd specific. I have the correct one I snagged off the olds 307.
If you still have the exhaust manifold and like to sale I'm interested in them
what state do you live it?
Pa near Pittsburgh
@@charlesnemes3373 I'm in Harrisburg. I was going to sit on them and possibly use them on my brothers 85 Riviera. Was thinking about swapping his 307 for a 350 but I may consider letting them go. What's your project?
I have a 1970 oldsmobile toronado gt all numbers matching car like to keep her all with true parts not an easy car to find parts for. They only made it one year for the body style only 5341 gt ever made
@@charlesnemes3373 Oww I like the 70 model year, i know exactly what they look like. being a GT does it have bucket seats??? Ill sell them to you if you want, hows $100 sound for the pair.
Luckily for you, never got that lucky. I've seen a mess, spun bearings, bent rods. Holes in the block. That would be a "fish story" yeah low miles, nearly broke in. But you have it in front of you.
yeah man, i posted the video to the olds forums and the guys on there went apeshit lol, the fact that its a 69 toro motor with all the best stuff from the factory is what makes this thing such a story too. it wouldnt be half as cool if it were say a 74 or 76 engine ya know
Those bearing scratches looked like they could have been from you turning the engine over dry after freeing the pistons. They look fresh and don't go all the way around the bearing.
Replace em and put her back together with a modern cam and away you go. I'd even keep and rebuild the QuadraJet.
Glad I got to watch this piece of Olds Archeology before it unfortunately gets taken down for a copyright strike on the awesome background music by the TH-cam dicks.
Yeah thats what I figured too. the motor is back up and running with a hotter cam, everything else is stock. even kept the quadrajet. Look up 455 buick estate wagon and youl see it in action, mine is the hammered looking dark blue one.
dont worry about them taking down my video, they wont, they just dont let me get payed for this one.
@@UsefulEntertainment cool! I'll go look for that right now.
2 years later, and the video is still here.. 🤷🏻
Nice so to be young again and In love.
I mean some people say im in love with my self but Im just a narcissist. Thanks for watching.
I don't think it's been messed with it's even the original black color they painted the toro motors
actually, the early toros 60s- early 70s they painted them the same blue pontiac was using, this one has just been sitting so long it has no more paint
@@UsefulEntertainment true..I must have been thinking about the 68-69 Hurst olds motors.
@@mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff hah, nope, 68 -69 hurst olds motors were red. Olds started painting their motors black when the 307 came out in 81, im not sure but the 260 and diesels could've been black as well.
Soon I’m buying a 72 olds 98 with a 455. Anybody know weak points of these motors and olds cars?
their pretty stout, keep the 455 under 55k rpms with a stock bottom end and watch for oil starvation under long length rpm also
Thank you! I definitely will thank you!
Gorgeous
thanks, stay tuned.
Can anyone tell me if there is an overdruve transmission that will bolt up to my 72 olds 455, and what cars I could find them in? Thanks
Theres a 700r4, its a pretty common trans, you dont want that one so if you come across one dont get it, they are specific to chevys. The one you want is a 2004r they come in pretty much everything else thats rwd from the 80s, buick estate wagons, custom cruisers, cars like that. Where it gets tricky is the later montie carlos even had them because they started using universal bellhousings. When you look at them try to get a later one and what ever you do, dont buy one from a late 70s car, chances are its the metric version. They made 2 types of 2004r trans. The metric ones will blow up with a v6 let alone a 455. Its easy to spot them because they have the word metric stamped into the pan. Do some digging on Google and you should learn the basics of the 200 4r you need.
@@UsefulEntertainment thanks, much appreciated, I recently bought a 72 olds 98 2dr, plans are to lower it a bit, wire wheels, nice paint etc... i dont plan on beating on it, but with the price of gas, it would be nice to have overdrive. Btw, are all 72 455S the same? This one is painted blue and has a Q-jet crb. Someone told me that mine was a low hp version and the gold ones were better. I always thought the 350S were gold, any info would be appreciated thanks
hah any gold olds motor is a 330 or a 350, I do know starting in 71 they dropped the compression a bit but if yours is original to your 98, you got a pretty good motor 98s got top of the line motors.
@@UsefulEntertainmentThank you, I dont know a lot about olds motors, so any information is much appreciated. The only other olds I owned was a 70 cutlass 350 about 30 years ago, so any tips or info on this 72 455 I would welcome.... MK
@@murraykennedy3577 cool man. My biggest advice is have the timing chane replaced asap if it has never been done. Other than that they are tank motors
That's the original water pump.
Id say 5-10 thousand miles
New as fuck....that not rebuild....those are oe production assembly markings
400hp 10:1 torque monster. Cross drill the crank. Olds oiling sucks. Pump to much to the valve train. oil restrictor's too
360h.p.
Very interesting
tell me about it.
In spanish that's what they call it spider "arana" spanish n.
I would have dropped it in the T/A 301 was Crap I had one!
301 turbo is pretty snappy with upped boost pressure and other adjustments, it breaks the tires loose and kicks out when you sift into second. that car handles like its on rails and im not going to sacrifice that.
@midnitesquirldog1 don't quote me but I believe the 301 is actually it's own motor separate from the classic Pontiac v8 design and visibly it is tiny compared to the Pontiac 455 in our other Trans am in the storage unit.
I bet it was stolen! The thief over reved it running from the cops bending the push rod then crashing it. Then gear head from the 70's pulled it.
thats a perfect theory
Not a low mileage engine.
Its got less miles than your mom
@@UsefulEntertainment that’s your rude comment, a mom joke? What are you, stuck in middle school? The engine you are opening up shows bearing wear, for you to claim it is a low mileage example is naive, uninformed, and not a mechanically sound observation.
@@paulvarrieur976 yes, I never left middle school. I believe the bearing wear is due to it being spun over by previous owners after the motor sat for years without pulling the distributor to pump up oil pressure. The bearings are the only thing that showed any wear, not only that, they had excessive wear opposed to anything else in the motor.
Better than Cadillac could have ever done? that's not facts Toronado it's a piece of crap compared to the caddy. Of that age Cadillac 472 and 500 cubic inch. We're great GM Motors. Buick made the better 455. But that's like comparing oranges to oranges
What I was saying is Toronado worked real hard to prove its self out of the gates to compete in the luxury market and make a name for it's self as where Cadillac was lazy in the late 60s. They built boring cars for old people and they relied on their reputation of greatness they once had. To be honest I think Cadillac peaked out in excellence in 1959. As for motors, yes the 472s and 500s were great motors. If you want to compare 455s, the buick 455 may have made excellent power and weighed the least out of the 3 but that doesn't change the fact that the aluminum timing covers would wear out and the engines would suffer critically low oil pressure. So for reliability id take an olds 455 over the buick any day. On another note the Toronados were so crappy compared to the Cadillacs, that caddy adopted the Toronados, goofy FWD set up.
And the Pontiac 455 was the best of em all.
@midnitesquirldog1 Yeah but, Pontiac had the only 4 bolt main 455 out of the 3. The HO and SD heads are far better than the other BOP 455`s. Buick and Olds oiling systems are marginal. Caddy also.
@midnitesquirldog1 I agree with you to a certain extent. But I still stand by my earlier statement. 1000hp? Better check for core shift. Most factory blocks, one is getting to unreliable territory after 650 to 750 hp. Including chevy, mopar and ford.
I might not be an expert, but at 56 yrs. old and having turned wrenches for 30 yrs or so, I might have learned a little somethin. It`s all good.
Not sure how true that is, we had our share of big block cars of late 60s thru 70s. Chevy, Olds, pontiac, buick, caddys.fords and chryslers. The 455 Olds in our Deltas, 98s, cutlass, all got thrashed, we would beat em to death all nite, and always got us home. Cant say same for our Fleetwood, Electra, or Bonneville. Firebird. XCept 400 pontiac grand prix and f bird, they were tough. Our toro suffered from cv and trans problems but what a ride. BB olds outlasted them all , really hard to kill. Awesome exhaust note with factory cam and carb. Our bb fords were pretty durable in t-bird and ltd. Dodge and chrylers took a beating too but had crappy ride and interiors. Those were the days my friends.
50-60 thousand miles with some oil changes done on time.