I made a comment on my blacksmithing page, about how sawframes were so subjective to the user. I started with a Knew Concepts, which did teach me what the proper tension needed to be, especially as I was learning all on my lonesome in Afghanistan! It has been relegated to coping saw duty when cutting out dovetails which it really does very well. From there I graduated to the Grobet adjustable frame, which I used exclusively after I quickly got used to it. As you mentioned it does catch quite a bit of swarf though. Finally, I got the the Green Lion saw frame, which is my go to for everything now. The handle fits my hand nicely, and after easing all the edges on the frame, is the most comfortable one to use. Thank you as always sir, for your generous, never ending sharing of hard earned knowledge!
I do have an adjustable saw frame that I bought in 2001 after taking a jewelry class in high school. The adjustable helps when your learning to utilize the full amount on the blade and no waste. And for me when it adjusted down I place the bar to the inside of my wrist I fine it helpful to keep the saw straight. Hope this help someone. Keep up the good work ford
I’m so glad you said it-it needed saying. Tools are supposed to help you do your work better/more efficiently. When I watch masters producing gorgeous works of art with only basic tools, I’m reminded just how much capitalism drives us to acquire more junk. Great honest review, ty!
Absolutely wonderful, thank you for the knowledgeable share. As an aspiring metal worker, I'm finding your videos very practical and potent with gems of tried wisdom. Thank you, because ideas are strengthened by being shared.
I watched a very reasonable review, with my own thirty years old frame being the first one he showed (bought mine from Cookson I think) anyway it went on and then this strange space object appeared. I looked, I listened and then i nodded - aha it is of course April 1st video and ford is having fun. I check the date, it’s not ! I then realise that some human for unknown reasons decided to create the monstrosity. I literally could not believe that anyone would try and solve a tiny issue I haven’t thought about for thirty years with some craziness. I mean if you have an issue flexing a saw frame what possible business do you have being in a Workshop or using tools ?
Great content! I’ve been using a couple of the French saw frames which are nice. Probably over priced if compared to the ten quid ones but they are well made and I like the tension and how it’s weighted. Started with the vallorbe one which was a pain exactly as you said, constantly having to strip it out and clean it.
Great video. Thank you Ford. I've been a professional jeweller now for 12 years and teaching for 4. I agree that the knew concepts frame is overengineered and feels dead to use. My traditional frame is the one I still use every single day and I advise my students to use the same ones at home. I'd like to make one my self without the adjustable back part because as you say in reality it's not practical and I never use it.
I remember reading a description by one of the girls who worked in the piercing department of a badge and silversmith's factory in the 1860's. She decribed her first job every morning was to take a length of steel and a fine needle file or chisel and actualy either sharpen or make a new saw blade. Once you realise that, then it starts become significant why the saws were adjustable for blade length. You didn't want to stop and have to make a new one, when you still had two workable halves. I still use the very same german pattern I bought 35 years ago daily.
I only ever used a jeweler's saw one in high school and I thought that what you called the length adjustment was how one was supposed to set the tension.
I got this frame from India for 2$ and it does the job fine. It's a simple tool and people who try to make it more complicated than it needs to be really aggregate me
I made a comment on my blacksmithing page, about how sawframes were so subjective to the user. I started with a Knew Concepts, which did teach me what the proper tension needed to be, especially as I was learning all on my lonesome in Afghanistan! It has been relegated to coping saw duty when cutting out dovetails which it really does very well. From there I graduated to the Grobet adjustable frame, which I used exclusively after I quickly got used to it. As you mentioned it does catch quite a bit of swarf though. Finally, I got the the Green Lion saw frame, which is my go to for everything now. The handle fits my hand nicely, and after easing all the edges on the frame, is the most comfortable one to use. Thank you as always sir, for your generous, never ending sharing of hard earned knowledge!
I do have an adjustable saw frame that I bought in 2001 after taking a jewelry class in high school. The adjustable helps when your learning to utilize the full amount on the blade and no waste. And for me when it adjusted down I place the bar to the inside of my wrist I fine it helpful to keep the saw straight. Hope this help someone. Keep up the good work ford
I’m so glad you said it-it needed saying. Tools are supposed to help you do your work better/more efficiently. When I watch masters producing gorgeous works of art with only basic tools, I’m reminded just how much capitalism drives us to acquire more junk. Great honest review, ty!
Absolutely wonderful, thank you for the knowledgeable share. As an aspiring metal worker, I'm finding your videos very practical and potent with gems of tried wisdom.
Thank you, because ideas are strengthened by being shared.
You are very welcome
I' m hoping for the cordless model soon.
I watched a very reasonable review, with my own thirty years old frame being the first one he showed (bought mine from Cookson I think) anyway it went on and then this strange space object appeared. I looked, I listened and then i nodded - aha it is of course April 1st video and ford is having fun. I check the date, it’s not ! I then realise that some human for unknown reasons decided to create the monstrosity. I literally could not believe that anyone would try and solve a tiny issue I haven’t thought about for thirty years with some craziness. I mean if you have an issue flexing a saw frame what possible business do you have being in a Workshop or using tools ?
"I mean if you have an issue flexing a saw frame what possible business do you have being in a Workshop or using tools ?" Prezacty!
Awesome! Please keep them coming.
“Poor dears” :-)
Great content! I’ve been using a couple of the French saw frames which are nice. Probably over priced if compared to the ten quid ones but they are well made and I like the tension and how it’s weighted. Started with the vallorbe one which was a pain exactly as you said, constantly having to strip it out and clean it.
Great video. Thank you Ford. I've been a professional jeweller now for 12 years and teaching for 4. I agree that the knew concepts frame is overengineered and feels dead to use. My traditional frame is the one I still use every single day and I advise my students to use the same ones at home. I'd like to make one my self without the adjustable back part because as you say in reality it's not practical and I never use it.
I remember reading a description by one of the girls who worked in the piercing department of a badge and silversmith's factory in the 1860's. She decribed her first job every morning was to take a length of steel and a fine needle file or chisel and actualy either sharpen or make a new saw blade.
Once you realise that, then it starts become significant why the saws were adjustable for blade length. You didn't want to stop and have to make a new one, when you still had two workable halves.
I still use the very same german pattern I bought 35 years ago daily.
thanks for that, that sort of detail is really helpful in building a better picture of metalworking technology's history.
I only ever used a jeweler's saw one in high school and I thought that what you called the length adjustment was how one was supposed to set the tension.
thank you mr Ford
much like you i've used just about every new type of saw frame still go back to my german pattern one
I got this frame from India for 2$ and it does the job fine. It's a simple tool and people who try to make it more complicated than it needs to be really aggregate me
Curious if you've ever tried the Green Lion saw frame? www.greenlionstudios.com/shop-shop/sawframe
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