Tbh, I've never liked Mileven, it seemed so forced and tbh a bit toxic at times. I only found out Byler existed THROUGH my extreme dislike for Mileven. Byler then just made sense to me in all the ways Mileven didn’t. It's so frustrating though bc when I tell ppl I don't like Mileven but love Byler, they assume I don't like Mileven BECAUSE of Byler when it's truly the other way around. I like Byler bc of Mileven. Also, I love El so much and she deserves the world, something Mike can't give her, she needs to find it for herself and Ik she can, just not with Mike. Idk if that makes sense tho lol
Just because YOU don't like the ship doesn't mean it's not cannon we all know mike loves el he doesn't love will ( romantically ) and toxic ? He loved el from the start they shared every moment with each other just because will loves mike doesn't mean mike has to love him as well because he doesn't. Byler is fanon. End of discussion
@janana4462 When El is with Mike, she lies and restricts who she really is. When Mike is with El, he neglects and ignores his friends. I'm sorry to say, but that makes it toxic. This genuinely has nothing to do with byler. If mileven is going to be a thing still in s5, they need a lot of help because it's not a healthy relationship at the moment. You can ship whatever you ship, but c'mon, even people who ship a particular ship should be able to see the ship's flaws. With the amount of people who don't see the major issues in their relationship I wonder if we even all watched the same show lol (I am also saying that they could genuinely become a healthy relationship in s5 but as of now we have no way of knowing the outcome). Also, no one was attacking you for what you ship, I was stating my personal opinion about the ship. I would recommend not attacking people for their ships no matter how much you dislike or disagree with said ship. I hope you have a great day and we'll see how things turn out in s5 :)
@@LexSteele_7 yeah you got a point but what I was trying to say was byler is fanon ( in my opinion ) ofc I'm not forcing anyone to like a certain ship all I'm saying was that mileven was/is canon we still know nothing about season 5 but maybe they change it up who knows, but yeah I was not trying to fight if it was received as rude I'm genuinely sorry I'm not usually rude but I think it was sent as a little rude, have a nice day tho
As a Mike defender, I can really see his actions as him being confused as to what ‘love’ even really means SO much. His parents aren’t in love, they never say “I love you” to each other, and therefore he thinks that behaviour is normal- so when he met El and she was interesting and nice to him, he confused his feelings of friendship for romance. He 100% realised this in season 3 when he experimented a lot with her (i.e. all of that kissing), but especially when they broke up, but knew that if they separated officially, he’d be left by himself and actually have to think out his repressed emotions and feelings. And I mean this so, SO lovingly- but Mike Wheeler is more than likely a gay man, and as a gay man myself, people saying he’s Bisexual all the time is super frustrating. This isn’t to say either is canon, but it just feels so much like a specifically gay experience to me that I cannot understand how people see his relationship with El as romantic… at any point! His only relationship with a girl his age is Eleven, and going off of that, I’d say he’s gay TLDR; Mike Wheeler is gay and has been in love with Will since season 2, but has been denying his own feelings and sexuality since. Again, this is my personal little character study, so you can disagree, but yeah! BOOM!
3:22 A lot of people misunderstood this scene I think she wasn't referring to the bullying part cuz she knows he was bullied she even saved him from his bullies 2 times she was referring to the fact that she grew up in a lab and was stripped away from her mom and how she will never be normal because of her powers and now that they were gone at that moment she doesn't know what to do and she was at her lowest at that time
yeah but in that moment her "no you don't" was him knowing what it's like to be bullied because that's what HE said, so it was actually really invalidating
I only ship mileven I’m sorry it’s because they have been together since the start and I don’t wanna see them break apart I mean so as byler but like I don’t ship them I’m sorry dont be mad at me😭
I think byler cute but I don’t think mike ready to be in a relationship like he with el and struggling with that but him and will ? A gay relationship that even harder
Tbh, I've never liked Mileven, it seemed so forced and tbh a bit toxic at times. I only found out Byler existed THROUGH my extreme dislike for Mileven. Byler then just made sense to me in all the ways Mileven didn’t. It's so frustrating though bc when I tell ppl I don't like Mileven but love Byler, they assume I don't like Mileven BECAUSE of Byler when it's truly the other way around. I like Byler bc of Mileven. Also, I love El so much and she deserves the world, something Mike can't give her, she needs to find it for herself and Ik she can, just not with Mike. Idk if that makes sense tho lol
Best comment I’ve seen in a while
Just because YOU don't like the ship doesn't mean it's not cannon we all know mike loves el he doesn't love will ( romantically ) and toxic ? He loved el from the start they shared every moment with each other just because will loves mike doesn't mean mike has to love him as well because he doesn't. Byler is fanon. End of discussion
@janana4462 When El is with Mike, she lies and restricts who she really is. When Mike is with El, he neglects and ignores his friends. I'm sorry to say, but that makes it toxic. This genuinely has nothing to do with byler. If mileven is going to be a thing still in s5, they need a lot of help because it's not a healthy relationship at the moment. You can ship whatever you ship, but c'mon, even people who ship a particular ship should be able to see the ship's flaws. With the amount of people who don't see the major issues in their relationship I wonder if we even all watched the same show lol (I am also saying that they could genuinely become a healthy relationship in s5 but as of now we have no way of knowing the outcome). Also, no one was attacking you for what you ship, I was stating my personal opinion about the ship. I would recommend not attacking people for their ships no matter how much you dislike or disagree with said ship. I hope you have a great day and we'll see how things turn out in s5 :)
THIS
@@LexSteele_7 yeah you got a point but what I was trying to say was byler is fanon ( in my opinion ) ofc I'm not forcing anyone to like a certain ship all I'm saying was that mileven was/is canon we still know nothing about season 5 but maybe they change it up who knows, but yeah I was not trying to fight if it was received as rude I'm genuinely sorry I'm not usually rude but I think it was sent as a little rude, have a nice day tho
Mike: we arent having relationships problems
El: Friends don't lie mike
I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣
The "friend don't lie Mike" And El and Max's faces help 💀
El: why do you lie will..?
Me: CAUSE. HE. DOESN'T. WANNA. BREAK. YOUR. HEART.
Nah but FR
As a Mike defender, I can really see his actions as him being confused as to what ‘love’ even really means SO much. His parents aren’t in love, they never say “I love you” to each other, and therefore he thinks that behaviour is normal- so when he met El and she was interesting and nice to him, he confused his feelings of friendship for romance. He 100% realised this in season 3 when he experimented a lot with her (i.e. all of that kissing), but especially when they broke up, but knew that if they separated officially, he’d be left by himself and actually have to think out his repressed emotions and feelings.
And I mean this so, SO lovingly- but Mike Wheeler is more than likely a gay man, and as a gay man myself, people saying he’s Bisexual all the time is super frustrating. This isn’t to say either is canon, but it just feels so much like a specifically gay experience to me that I cannot understand how people see his relationship with El as romantic… at any point! His only relationship with a girl his age is Eleven, and going off of that, I’d say he’s gay
TLDR; Mike Wheeler is gay and has been in love with Will since season 2, but has been denying his own feelings and sexuality since.
Again, this is my personal little character study, so you can disagree, but yeah! BOOM!
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3:22
A lot of people misunderstood this scene I think she wasn't referring to the bullying part cuz she knows he was bullied she even saved him from his bullies 2 times she was referring to the fact that she grew up in a lab and was stripped away from her mom and how she will never be normal because of her powers and now that they were gone at that moment she doesn't know what to do and she was at her lowest at that time
yeah but in that moment her "no you don't" was him knowing what it's like to be bullied because that's what HE said, so it was actually really invalidating
STOP I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS IF NANCY AND JONATHAN GET MARRIED THEN ELEVEN OR WILL WOULD BE BROTHER AND SISTER IN LAWS TO MIKE 😰😰😰
i ship mileven in the early seasons and byler in the last seasons
Same
Nah bro I shipped byler and elmax ever since I started watching
Same I knew about byler in season 2 but I thought Mileven was cute so I shipped it but then season 3 came so byler became the ship that I shipped
Bro same
@@srkfan142 even s1 ?max wasn’t in season 1 lol
Yes a fellow Mike protecter 😍💪💪
Mileven s1 all day Byler s2-4 All day
Max knew that he was gonna get outed before it even happened
I know nothing about that screaming yellow frog, but I don’t need to know about it to absolutely love it like I do-
Blinks in *please Will Byers Villain Arc*
This makes my heart happy 🫠
I’m a Mike defender too ❤
5:07 still waiting for one of the reaction videos, where everyone calls this mind flayer ugly.
I LOVE mileven and byler 😭😭Cute ships frfr
The multi shippers love it lol
Being a multi shipper is hard because YOU CANT CHOOSE ONE SHIP!
@@berryheartz6015 omg exactly I can’t choose literary a struggle
BYLER FOREVEEEEEEEEER!!!!!
No shi I'm freaking gonna click the notification bell and keep coming back
2:25 I adore Mike
Girl bye Mikes’ blushing 🤨
3/4!! Max
#WAP #BYLER #ADORABLE #DISLIKEMILEVEN #DROPITLIKECARDIB #MIKELOOKSATWILLSASS
The ladt one..😂
im also a mike defender
I hate mileven this season, have loved BYLER since season 1 tho, ROOTING FOR BYLER OMGGG 😍 #DOWNWITHMILEVEN😈
I am also a Mike Defender
I love byler so much and I love El and I want her to be her own person and not date Mike.
i ship mileven in the early seasons and byler in all seasons
Whoah so cool ! Byler is such a cool ship ! but Can they react to elmax next ?
are you ever going to continue this?
I have no words. Just 🙋
yes
PART 3??
Season 1: Mileven
Season 2: Byler and Mucas
Season 3: Elmax
Season 4: Elmax and Byler
3:27 I really love this edit but I cant find it, could you maybe send a link?
I prefer byler but this is good :)
7:18 I like platonic mileven
I LOVE THAT YOU SHIP BOTH!!!
No one :
My parents when we we're watching Stranger things and Mike and El we're together : "JUST KISS ALREADY!!!!"
MIKE DEFENDER GANG love u mike 😘 i’m single btw mike u can have me 🤪
I only ship mileven I’m sorry it’s because they have been together since the start and I don’t wanna see them break apart I mean so as byler but like I don’t ship them I’m sorry dont be mad at me😭
it's ok, it's ur opinion
Im inlove with Byler, i never really liked Mileven it was toixc.
Basically mileven own s1, s2, s3 but Lumax ate in s4
Btw can you use the stranger things backround music for ur stranger things reaction vids?
I think byler cute but I don’t think mike ready to be in a relationship like he with el and struggling with that but him and will ? A gay relationship that even harder
mike doesn't need defending bffr 🙄
Ss 1-2 mileven >>>> ss3+ byler >>>>
I’m a mileven shipper I also hate byler and will