Come on I go to a spirit filled non domination church and I love POA. Because I do have a UPC background. But it's not just a movement happening in UPC..... God is on the move everywhere to who so ever will! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻❤~ listen put your ear out there trinity churches are starting to baptize in the name of Jesus! They are also saying that if you want the power to fight supernatural battles you have to be filled with the Holyghost- by speaking in tongues. They call that the Holyghost and fire... pray because God is moving His truth is being revealed! 🔥🔥🔥🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I'm full on Pentecostal. We have a Trinitarian baptism which has always been the faith going back to the reformers, and to the early church fathers. We have an apostolic link back to the church of Jesus Christ - acknowledging God 3 in 1. I'm praying oneness Pentecostals will fix this, and let it go........because its not orthodox and its not the churches testimony for 2000 years. The early church fathers, by the Holy Spirit, dealt with this against the heretics and the Reformers agreed with this. Come on our brothers and sister, you can do it. Join us. Jesus is indeed moving. Ancient but Future!
@@ntlearning I love you but man I get where you are coming from.... I go to one God -3 in one too- the apostolic is so similar yet so different... we don't deny the son ship we never have. It's all God. Who is Jesus? He's the word made flesh- God in human form. Who is the Holy Spirit- it's the power of God living inside you. Three manifestations of God. Don't you get it it's all God. Our God is so big that we dare to separate Him like that... if you look back the forefathers the word trinity is a paganistic term- to why are we even using a paganistic term to describe the creator of the universe? In addition the forefathers we're trying to figure out how to make the pagans happy so they merged Christianity and paganism this is why we even now have the trinity. God is too big for us to put in a box everyone everywhere has got to stop limiting the creator of the universe! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 he's all God.
@@nikaart5360 Oh no no no no my friend. Trinity is not even in the bible. Neither are many biblical doctrines rapture, incarnation etc It was first coined by Theophilus and Tertullian, who by the way, left the very early Catholic Church. I'm studying all the Church fathers now (within a reformed University) and this doctrine was always absolutely the correct one. Paganism and corruption did not touch this one. I'm reading Justin Martyr at the moment, and I can absolutely see the primitive church in action not yet corrupted and they already believed in the divine trinity. The Didache is one of the earliest documents (and completely Jewish) which shows they understood this within the first century - and yet they still have some legalism which is not surprising as the New Testament Church finds its way out of sacramental Jewish system. The Didache hurts Catholicism doctrinally but the Trinity was there in the earliest days of the NT church. The earliest - believed to be written (70 -110 AD). Go on to you google, you can download it. And I just point to history. The Catholic and Reformation churches "hated" each other, and yet this doctrine was maintained by ALL of the them even though they fought over many others. Catholics, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, Reformed, Methodist, Baptists and majority Pentecostals are all on agreement about this. Everything you mentioned above has been rebutted a thousand times by all these groups in unity. Modalism (which is oneness) was declared heretical in the early church which is correct. It's deficient. It was declared heretical at the same time as the JW's Arianism. Not everything in the early church is wrong. As Pentecostals we inherit a lot from Catholicism, Methodism (being the main one), Reformed, Baptist. They are all in our roots and DNA. Every group listed above has all had their theologians study it and come to the same conclusion. That's called a "magisterium". The reformational and Pentecostal magisterium provides "safety" for interpretation of the Bible. And even us Pentecostals and all the other groups - Baptists, Anglicans, etc all have fights over other doctrines - but not this one!! The magisterium shows a unity of agreement which Oneness is excluded from. That's a shame. I'm personally convinced this doctrine is simply rooted in anti-catholicism. Trinitarian Pentecostals are just more aligned with the magisterium and less anti-catholic on that doctrine. We are not deceived. The reformational fathers did not spill their blood in the fight with Catholicism but got this wrong. No way. I love you too. I want to be re-united with you again. My heart cries for you guys to be united again as separated brethren. We need each other in these last days. I absolutely believe you are all saved, and God is with you and the churches. I just know, the Trinity is the correct doctrine, and out of it flows so many more rivers of life than modalism. You are welcome to have the last say. I won't push back out of respect to you. And may God always bless you my friend.
@@susanspatz9501 Thanks for your reply. But you don't know me. So how can you say I'm missing out on so much more? I would argue you are the one missing out and we have a bigger table with richer graces. I get to enjoy rays of truth from Luther, all the Anglicans, the Methodists, the Baptists, and my own Pentecostal experience. And although we fight, we all agree on the essentials, and we also agree on many 2nd triage doctrines as well. Feeling is not how we determine what is truth. No one is saying your churches have to stop and you must join a Trinitarian church. And using scriptures to say I'm blind is not helpful to the discussion. Obviously I could say the same about you and would say your Christology is deficient. In fact, you are the ones who have brought back a novel doctrine that was decided heretical by the church universal on all sides of the aisle. You guys have betrayed the reformation, even walking in a direction further than the ana-baptists. Are you Oneness or SDA or something else? Even the SDA church is making changes around this doctrine. Here is something interesting from the SDA church: Quote: "However, some SDA leaders and theologians began to question and challenge this view in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, especially after the death of Ellen G. White, who is regarded as a prophetess by the SDA Church 143. They argued that the non-trinitarian view was based on faulty logic, selective use of Scripture, and misunderstanding of Ellen G. White’s writings 143. They also pointed out that the non-trinitarian view had serious implications for other SDA doctrines, such as the atonement, the sanctuary, and the remnant 143. They proposed a more trinitarian view that affirmed the eternal divinity and equality of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three distinct persons who share one essence143. This view gradually gained more acceptance and influence among SDA members and institutions, and was eventually incorporated into the official statement of fundamental beliefs in 1980 143 Of course, there are still SDA's that fight this. record.adventistchurch.com/2020/08/10/leaders-unpack-adventist-understanding-of-the-trinity/ adventistreview.org/news/adventist-anti-trinitarianism-and-alexandrian-theology/
There are NO denominations in Heaven. There are only those who had Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior in their earthly life. Those who lived by and was obedient to GOD'S Word. Denominations are man-made, not GOD made. No Baptist, Pentecostal or Methodist " line" in Eternity. I thank you, for such a powerful sermon. GOD bless.~ Debbie
Amen!!!! This is true!!! When I was 13 and in foster care, a preacher said to write down and say “ it is Finished” every day til it’s done. I did this for 1 year by the end, I was back home with my Mom👏🏾👏🏾
Please pray that God will provide for my daughter's last term school fees in University that needs to be paid until next week. In the name of Jesus!!!🙏🙏🙏
I remember, not even being able to give your testimony, until the pastor heard it and ok'd it, in "The Pentecostal church" i was raised up in. Now , perhaps , we Have concerts in church? And, i guess the flow of the (whatever it is) is dictated by The music?. Wow, how far we have strayed From the welch revival, and Azusa Street!
Ohh , wow! Just had to get a little further.... So, what part of the Bible has changed about The Gift of the Spirit(Ruach Hakodesh ) Of Tongues , AND .... seperate gift Of The Spirit(Ruach Hakodesh) of Interpretation? has the Pentecostals wrote a new version i haven't saw?
Repent of your worldly "clubbing" degradation of worship. The worship "team" - no leader - is NOT the focus... what's with the spotlights? Reminds me of one of the churches in Revelation.
Come on I go to a spirit filled non domination church and I love POA. Because I do have a UPC background. But it's not just a movement happening in UPC..... God is on the move everywhere to who so ever will! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻❤~ listen put your ear out there trinity churches are starting to baptize in the name of Jesus! They are also saying that if you want the power to fight supernatural battles you have to be filled with the Holyghost- by speaking in tongues. They call that the Holyghost and fire... pray because God is moving His truth is being revealed! 🔥🔥🔥🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I'm full on Pentecostal. We have a Trinitarian baptism which has always been the faith going back to the reformers, and to the early church fathers. We have an apostolic link back to the church of Jesus Christ - acknowledging God 3 in 1. I'm praying oneness Pentecostals will fix this, and let it go........because its not orthodox and its not the churches testimony for 2000 years. The early church fathers, by the Holy Spirit, dealt with this against the heretics and the Reformers agreed with this. Come on our brothers and sister, you can do it. Join us. Jesus is indeed moving.
Ancient but Future!
@@ntlearning I love you but man I get where you are coming from.... I go to one God -3 in one too- the apostolic is so similar yet so different... we don't deny the son ship we never have. It's all God. Who is Jesus? He's the word made flesh- God in human form. Who is the Holy Spirit- it's the power of God living inside you. Three manifestations of God. Don't you get it it's all God. Our God is so big that we dare to separate Him like that... if you look back the forefathers the word trinity is a paganistic term- to why are we even using a paganistic term to describe the creator of the universe? In addition the forefathers we're trying to figure out how to make the pagans happy so they merged Christianity and paganism this is why we even now have the trinity. God is too big for us to put in a box everyone everywhere has got to stop limiting the creator of the universe! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 he's all God.
@@nikaart5360 Oh no no no no my friend. Trinity is not even in the bible. Neither are many biblical doctrines rapture, incarnation etc It was first coined by Theophilus and Tertullian, who by the way, left the very early Catholic Church. I'm studying all the Church fathers now (within a reformed University) and this doctrine was always absolutely the correct one. Paganism and corruption did not touch this one. I'm reading Justin Martyr at the moment, and I can absolutely see the primitive church in action not yet corrupted and they already believed in the divine trinity. The Didache is one of the earliest documents (and completely Jewish) which shows they understood this within the first century - and yet they still have some legalism which is not surprising as the New Testament Church finds its way out of sacramental Jewish system. The Didache hurts Catholicism doctrinally but the Trinity was there in the earliest days of the NT church. The earliest - believed to be written (70 -110 AD). Go on to you google, you can download it.
And I just point to history. The Catholic and Reformation churches "hated" each other, and yet this doctrine was maintained by ALL of the them even though they fought over many others.
Catholics, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, Reformed, Methodist, Baptists and majority Pentecostals are all on agreement about this. Everything you mentioned above has been rebutted a thousand times by all these groups in unity.
Modalism (which is oneness) was declared heretical in the early church which is correct. It's deficient. It was declared heretical at the same time as the JW's Arianism.
Not everything in the early church is wrong. As Pentecostals we inherit a lot from Catholicism, Methodism (being the main one), Reformed, Baptist. They are all in our roots and DNA.
Every group listed above has all had their theologians study it and come to the same conclusion. That's called a "magisterium". The reformational and Pentecostal magisterium provides "safety" for interpretation of the Bible. And even us Pentecostals and all the other groups - Baptists, Anglicans, etc all have fights over other doctrines - but not this one!!
The magisterium shows a unity of agreement which Oneness is excluded from. That's a shame.
I'm personally convinced this doctrine is simply rooted in anti-catholicism. Trinitarian Pentecostals are just more aligned with the magisterium and less anti-catholic on that doctrine. We are not deceived. The reformational fathers did not spill their blood in the fight with Catholicism but got this wrong. No way.
I love you too. I want to be re-united with you again. My heart cries for you guys to be united again as separated brethren. We need each other in these last days. I absolutely believe you are all saved, and God is with you and the churches. I just know, the Trinity is the correct doctrine, and out of it flows so many more rivers of life than modalism. You are welcome to have the last say. I won't push back out of respect to you. And may God always bless you my friend.
@@susanspatz9501 Thanks for your reply. But you don't know me. So how can you say I'm missing out on so much more?
I would argue you are the one missing out and we have a bigger table with richer graces. I get to enjoy rays of truth from Luther, all the Anglicans, the Methodists, the Baptists, and my own Pentecostal experience. And although we fight, we all agree on the essentials, and we also agree on many 2nd triage doctrines as well.
Feeling is not how we determine what is truth. No one is saying your churches have to stop and you must join a Trinitarian church.
And using scriptures to say I'm blind is not helpful to the discussion. Obviously I could say the same about you and would say your Christology is deficient. In fact, you are the ones who have brought back a novel doctrine that was decided heretical by the church universal on all sides of the aisle. You guys have betrayed the reformation, even walking in a direction further than the ana-baptists.
Are you Oneness or SDA or something else?
Even the SDA church is making changes around this doctrine. Here is something interesting from the SDA church:
Quote: "However, some SDA leaders and theologians began to question and challenge this view in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, especially after the death of Ellen G. White, who is regarded as a prophetess by the SDA Church 143. They argued that the non-trinitarian view was based on faulty logic, selective use of Scripture, and misunderstanding of Ellen G. White’s writings 143. They also pointed out that the non-trinitarian view had serious implications for other SDA doctrines, such as the atonement, the sanctuary, and the remnant 143. They proposed a more trinitarian view that affirmed the eternal divinity and equality of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three distinct persons who share one essence143. This view gradually gained more acceptance and influence among SDA members and institutions, and was eventually incorporated into the official statement of fundamental beliefs in 1980 143
Of course, there are still SDA's that fight this.
record.adventistchurch.com/2020/08/10/leaders-unpack-adventist-understanding-of-the-trinity/
adventistreview.org/news/adventist-anti-trinitarianism-and-alexandrian-theology/
It is for whosever will!
There are NO denominations in Heaven. There are only those who had Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior in their earthly life. Those who lived by and was obedient to GOD'S Word. Denominations are man-made, not GOD made. No Baptist, Pentecostal or Methodist " line" in Eternity. I thank you, for such a powerful sermon. GOD bless.~ Debbie
What a service God told me to watch this service it's finished.
I need deliverance of strong hold! Please pray w me that the Lord will move
Watching
Jesus! Thank you, Jesus, for allowing me to be a part of You!
Ruler of everything! You are LORD of all! What a mighty God we serve! Hallelujah!!!!!❤❤❤
God need true worshiper God bless
IT IS FINISHED!! REPEAT IT 7 TIMES AND THE WALLS COME DOWN!! AMEN
Amen!!!! This is true!!! When I was 13 and in foster care, a preacher said to write down and say “ it is Finished” every day til it’s done. I did this for 1 year by the end, I was back home with my Mom👏🏾👏🏾
I don't think so
HalleluYaH 🎉 amazing Service HalleluYaH!! 🎉 I enjoyed so very very MUCH HALLELUYAH!! 🙌🏽⛪️ 🕊️ 🔥
Tremenda presencia de Dios, me traspasa el alma cada vez que miro las reuniones son de mucha bendición.
Un movimiento muy poderoso del Espíritu.
Amen and Amen. It is finished. Thankyou LORD Jesus Hallelujah.
I pray for this congregation every night.
Does Truth matter? I don't understand why anyone would want to pray that a lie continues.
Wow🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💯! Hosanna to the King🙌🏾👑💜!
It is finished HalleluYaH!! Thank you!! LORD YESHUA 👑 🇮🇱 ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Obrigada Jesus EU confio confio confio confio confio confio confio confio em você JESUSSSS MEU TESOURO Minha Rocha Minha Vida Aleluia AMÉM 🙌
Prayers for my colon and my family my dad has dementia.
He promised to heal all diseases🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾! Declaring and believing for you🙌🏾❤️!!
Please pray that God will provide for my daughter's last term school fees in University that needs to be paid until next week. In the name of Jesus!!!🙏🙏🙏
Praise the Lord!
Faith is a gift from God at rebirth, it can't be synthesized. Your looking at emotion through frequencies called 'worship'.
Glory to God❤
I remember, not even being able to give your testimony, until the pastor heard it and ok'd it, in "The Pentecostal church" i was raised up in. Now , perhaps , we Have concerts in church? And, i guess the flow of the (whatever it is) is dictated by The music?. Wow, how far we have strayed From the welch revival, and Azusa Street!
Praise God 😢
WHAT A WORD🙌
Need healing 😢
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Prayer for my mind I feel dementia symptoms and my father is already suffering severe dementia but I do not agree with this situation in Jesus name 🙏
Praying for you this morning.
@@shirleybuxton thank you so much mum; God bless you
😭😭😭😭😭
Who is leading, with the dotted tunic top? What’s her name, please?
Ohh , wow! Just had to get a little further.... So, what part of the Bible has changed about The Gift of the Spirit(Ruach Hakodesh ) Of Tongues , AND .... seperate gift Of The Spirit(Ruach Hakodesh) of Interpretation? has the Pentecostals wrote a new version i haven't saw?
Wow, does this guy even know how many Singing Artists , sang Worship in Church? Where are they now ? They are worshipping, just Not the Almighty.
Repent of your worldly "clubbing" degradation of worship. The worship "team" - no leader - is NOT the focus... what's with the spotlights? Reminds me of one of the churches in Revelation.