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- DISCLAIMER: I arranged these interactions in a way I thought would flow best. In other words, these are not the exact order of interactions when encountering Arachne. Reason being, after Arachne's spiral, she began talking about the monsters, which I thought was not appropriate after upsetting her, so I began organizing the quotes as coherent as possible to fit the current narrative.
These were all the unique dialogues I've encountered as of 4/26/24. The voice line regarding Charon appeared recently after a brief update, and I expect more voice lines to be missed as the game continues. Support Supergiant Games! smiles*
Fast Pass:
00:00 Early Encounter
09:26 Monsters
11:40 More on Arachne
15:07 Spirals Down
19:36 Hecate
21:05 Charon
22:22 Moros
23:10 Melinoë's Offer
23:40 Near Death
24:04 Nectar 1-3
#hades #hades2 - เกม
I do like how they gave her the personality of "Cheery 1920s flapper, who would also gladly strangle Athena to death with her silk if given the chance, but until then, she's fine with being a tailor."
Well put lol, and I'll be there the day she strangles Athena.
Yeah in her story she was transformed because Athena was a sore loser, arachne won fair and square and she couldn’t take it so she turned her into a spider and with that her only wish was to continue making silk and that where spiders came from, Zeus may get a lot of crap but Athena is just as bad, hell it worst for Medusa if you learn her story
@mrfirestar9604 didn't she got punished because her work had moving scenes mocking the gods, not that Athena got mad that she lost? This is Supergiant's game after all, so who knows what Arachne's story is.
@@mmyr8ado.360 I just read a comment addressing this. I actually like this interpretation because artists do make bold statements with their art. However, I doubt Supergiant would go this route.
@@mrfirestar9604 I grew up with believing Arachne was a sore loser, but there are so many interpretations:
1) Arachne was boastful of her superiority
2) Athena was humiliated
3) Arachne felt suicidal from the pressure, thus Athena turned her into a spider to save her.
Whichever is the "real" interpretation loses its meaning imo, because stories like these go through the greatest telephone game. There's definitely something you could take away out of each of these, and whichever resonates with you more. I prefer gods embracing their fallibility, so I prefer the second interpretation.
Arachne and Medusa were punished by goddess Athena in Greek mythology. But when they lived in the Underworld, Arachne served for Melinoe as her seamstress and Medusa served for Zagreus as his maid.
The parallels. I have my ambrosia ready for Arachne.
I don’t think the Medusa we see in Hades is Ovid’s version. I think she’s based off the three gorgon sisters concept as she stated growing up she thought everyone could turn others to stone.
@@hinka9391 I forget too, because Dusa specified not wanting to delve into her past life. She's a different person now.
You know, yeah, thinking about it, that could be a way to get Medusa into the Hades mythos. There's like 5 different Medusas I've seen through myth, the Greek one, the Smite one, the Dota 2 one, the Disney Hercules one (I believe I recall in one of those he encountered her), plus the Percy Jackson one from Lightning Thief, and they're all wildly all over the place; Dota 2 Medusa is basically an anti hero who chose to become a gorgon to save her sisters cause they were taken by bandits who left her for dead because she was mortal, so she gave up mortality and her beautiful looks to go and sabe them. I do personally like that Medusa.
@@Hamstir4 I hope Zagreus, his biological mother Persephone, adoptive mother Nyx, and the others are all okay?
I wonder what happened to them and where they are? I wonder where the villain took them?
The spiral down section is genuinely heartbreaking, you can really hear how hurt she is to see her only true friend work with the gods she hates so much but she doesnt want to hold it against you, she wants to help you. fuck man, game has good dialogue.
Despite her being terribly upset, she still provides you her silk dress to aid you. Her source of frustration isn't you, but you're the only one she can vent about. Reason being, the other gods would squish her on the spot. Supergiant writes compelling character dynamics once again.
Her ´laughs’ are so sad and melancholic. It hurts to listen to them at times.
I had to swallow her laughs too. I try to ease her by prioritizing her room every chance I could get.
It sounds as if she is on the verge of breaking down every single time.
Seriously, this game BETTER have a Side-Mission (of the Fated List kind) that allows Melinöe to give Arachne some therapy or comfort.
Maybe also a meet-up with Dusa, and the 2 Victims bonding thru trauma?
@@davidprogamer2703 But this Hades' Dusa is based on the version that was born a gorgon and has nothing to do with Athena, beyond the mirror shield that she gave to Perseus when he was tasked with killing Medusa
I only know Arachne from Hades 2 for 26 minutes, but if anything happens to her.... my heart would not take it...
Supergiant doesn't have the guts! (I will regret this later)
@@Hamstir4 pleaae don't let it be a jinx, pleaae don't let it be a jinx, please doN'T let iT bE A jInX- 🤞🤞🤞🙏🙏
@@diabloo-666sorry to say but she’s usually much more evil than this, but this interpretation we can both die on the hill for she’s precious.
@@chainsawboy2388 Much more evil in the real mythology or in the game?
@@diabloo-666 Neither. Arachne is an ally in the game, and doesn’t play an antagonist role in her only myth. My guess is that they were referring to adaptations of Greek Mythology, in which people very often write her as a giant spider monster with a vitriolic hate for the gods and anyone associated with them, which most often includes the protagonist. A notable example is Arachne from Rick Riordan’s “Heroes Of Olympus” series. There’s not much mythological evidence for this antagonistic behavior, but writers do love to have an evil spider monster…
I've never wanted to hug a spider more than in my life. She's such a delight! This video really makes want to see how her story goes in game! Also loving Mel being so nice to her, this princess is such a sweetheart!
Mel is just like Zag, who they're very much like their mother.
She's so sweet, so funny. I really do adore her already, seriously what a fantastic interpretation of Arachne and great addition to the cast
I thought exactly this too. Most interpretations have Arachne as a giant spider, going rawr rawr*. But Supergiant’s Arachne? She’s just an itty bitty spider! c:
I really like that it looks like they're tying Arachne's abilities together with the Fates, who are known as the _weavers_ of fate.
It's almost like there's an implication that, while it would still be terribly unfair, maybe there was more to Arachne's curse than just Athena being a sore loser.
^ I'm looking forward for further context. Despite Moros knowing the Fates best, even he does not provide a counter regarding Arachne's weaving skills rivaling the Fates. It's possible Moros does not care enough to object but very interesting nonetheless.
@@Hamstir4 Considering Moros's relationship with the Fates, I think he knew what was going to Arachne but since he's just an overseer, it's not his job to interfere. And if he did, he risked Athena's wrath. And he didn't sound particularly HAPPY about what happened to her with that "Perhaps..." Line.
@@kaylenvee8150 I'd agree it wouldn't have been in his place to step in. But at the same time, my read on Moros was that he did not really care about mortal life. If the Olympian gods served as a baseline for their detachment to mortals, I believe Moros is even more detached than the mainstream gods. Although with that last line, "Perhaps...", it appears even for Moros, he views the fate of Arachne as a tragedy.
A part of me hopes that the roster of gods will include Athena so that Melinoe can chew her out for doing this to Arachne- or that Melinoe using her powers as a witch might even be able to dispel the curse herself.
Comments have had me lean to be the latter, but def Mel may have a word with Athena I hope, doubtless of that. But I fear Athena is going to double down on her grudge against Arachne. But I'm excited to possibly hear this story from Athena's pov. Perhaps there was more to it, but still does not justify by any means.
And I'm certain she will be included in the roster, if not, I'll eat my hat.
Between Her and Dusa, I love how this series has cute npc characters you just wanna hug
Reasons why I was compelled to make an Arachne first. Arachne is often portrayed as a giant spider in media, but Supergiant made a teeny spider! c:
I had to make this first, because priorities.
There had better be a (gently!) hug Arachne option in the full game, SuperGiant!
I would abuse this option dearly.
thank you for these arachne interactions, she’s actually one of the first greek myths i read, so i’m glad supergiant did them justice! and to you, the hardwork in this video
Right, I also grew up learning about Arachne, and was pleased of Supergiant's choice. There's a lot of iconic Greek myths to choose from, and I'm glad they settled with Arachne. Melinoe telling the Wisdom goddess that she was a sore loser will be something to witness.
20:29 “Just like her brother” 😂
It's in the blood!~
She so depressed I love her so much
It's cool how your outfit actually changes based off the dress you pick
mhmm! Arachne wants Mel to look at her best during her night stroll in Erebus
Hoping it actually ends up as a feature! Be neat if she has a quest line where she actually _does_ open her clothing and dye shop and you can customize Melinöe's outfit using the dresses she offers you in-game (but w/o bonuses ofc)
@@jacobsiron6929 i can see it as a feature for cosmetics ^ unheard of in Hades 1, but Hades 2 has already expanded beyond what Hades 1 can do
With the way Arachne laughs, I'm surprised there's a line where she whispers very quietly 'please kill me'
Oh how I wish that in the full game we can resolve her curse
I wonder how Supergiant plans to write this as well. Undoing the curse would be crazy.
@@Hamstir4 Zag could reunite people in Hades, and it was hinted that this was because he was the god of blood. Blood ties and all that.
Mel's a goddess of witchcraft, though. So I imagine if she can help the people of the crossroads, it'll be in a different way than her brother did. I'd love to see her use her witchery to help Arachne.
But we'll see.
@@belindaluna2067 This is such a sound read, I buy this direction ^ Mel's journey starts with tremendous doubt in her skills, as expectations is too great. But if she could undo Athena's curse herself, it would prove her growth as a witch and Hecate's faith in her capabilities.
@@belindaluna2067and in the myths, zagreus is both the god of the hunt and rebirth ( making the blood ref. all the more ironic ) but i don't know HOW they would fix arachne's storyline in here though
@@belindaluna2067 well she is the goddess of nightmares and madness so maybe she could dispel the madness of the curse? or something like that. who knows?
Her laughs sound like "Hide the Pain Harold" pictures. It is not her core trait, but it is lovely nonetheless
LOL I can't unsee it now. I think its a nice touch. The laugh brings an interesting dillema where you have the best body to produce the best of what you love, but yet it's not quite what you wanted.
I just imagine Arachne and Dusa hanging out together, that would be adorable!
The two would easily be besties. So much in common. If anything, Dusa may help Arachne move on from her old life.
"You gods... I hate you too."
That's understandable
nods* Very fair Arachne.
Cool! I like that the clothing that you choose actually changes Melinoë's appearance!
Spider yuri
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I've been looking for a video like this ! These interactions are great. Very nice job !
Thank you! Glad the video came out great.
Anyone get the feeling that Arachne could become one of the many romance prospects in the game? at least until Chronos is defeated
Would you smooch a spider?
a) Heck yeah
b) Heck yeah
c) Heck yeah
d) Heck yeah
spider gf 👄👄🕷️
most likely another dusa moment... cant romance but will gladly lend her support ( kinda like in hades 1 ? )
@@daeity1 I could see that happen, but I feel like that it wouldn't result the same way it does for Zagreus and Dusa outside of the fact it is a relationship between god/goddess and someone cursed by a god or goddess. Arachne doesn't work for any gods or goddesses and does her own thing (without drawing unwanted attention to herself).
I feel like if they add athena there be a quest to uncurse her, thus making her datable
Yeah I believe Arachne is speaking of Phalanx when she mentions her mate.
SMASH, next question-
This is crazy.
Arachne got that dark souls npc laugh
She has it down.
She is so, so precious 🥺
I hope in the game we learn a way to turn her back to human or at least we can give Arachne the choice to turn back.
Right, I feel it would be up to Arachne at the end of the day. If we are following Hades 1, it was Time that helped resolve Sisyphus' conflict with Bouldy, and Arachne adjusted slightly better thanks to Time. There's a chance she may want to keep her spider form for her weaving talents but wants acknowledgements from the gods or some form of reparations.
When she said about "Gods being fine with you, until you are inferior to them" , it made resounding a theory I have.
Zeus freed the titans because he was afraid of zagreus. There isn't so much info about zagreus God except in some versions he is god in command because he is blessed /married to gea.
Remember, it is gea the one who give power/role as ruler to gods , when the god lost her approval, they lost their role. Zeus ate his first wife to avoid Athena took his place, in previous game Zagreus admits Zeus is impulsive and not thinking of consequences.
For that hecate hide Mel to olympus except few ones, she knows someone has betrayed the house of hades.
In while time zagreus and gea just shared a deep friendship nothing more.
You’re saying there’s an imposter among the House?! This is a sick theory. I trust Hecate but she is withholding lots of information from us and Mel.
@@Hamstir4 I remember there was implied in some runs, I don't remember which one, on tvtropes saying it is Sisyphus, but I think it is too banal, but demeter noticed hecate hide Mel to everyone like she didn't trust them
@@Sifya I will forever be in denial that it’s Sisyphus, only cause he was the first I fully friendshipped with. But you could be onto something of it being a special guest within the House. ^
There’s a dialogue I’ll post one day, Hecate says that she didn’t alert Demeter because she would’ve immediately have gone to war, which is the same concern she had with Nemesis’s impulse.
Which begs the question, how much does Hecate know to the point she knew the Olympians weren’t enough to brute force their way to victory.
@@Hamstir4 I will be in denial too about Sisyphus, it is too banal. But people who hates gods a lot. My idea, zagreus has become a powerful god, god of life and blood and met gea. Fates for punishing Zeus and hades house make a prophesy about zagreus become ruler. So Zeus used some souls who own him for free titans, he just wanted to messing up a bit and killed zagreus by accident, nothing too permanent.
But or course things went wrong, chronos ate zagreus and earn his power too, become too powerful for God's too, chronos imprisoned hades but not killing, because chronos doesn't want his curse, lucky he didn't know zagreus has same curse so he is stuck in hades too. Persephone lost her mind for losing of children again and imprisoned everyone enemies and allies, yes she is the pre boss.
But zagreus isn't completely dead and he can use chronos power too.
Melinoe can defend chrono because zagreus who never him let kill her, everytime you failed, zagreus would turn back the time, because his love for mel can across time and space
@@Sifya You mean Persephone being the pre-boss similar to Cerberus? That's crazy cool. She was stated to be well capable of defending herself, so I would be hyped to see her capabilities.
Zeus being afraid does seem to be in character and he was found out to be behind the dilemma in Hades 1. But I felt the game ended on an amicable note between the Olympians that I would be disappointed if Zeus was the one to sour the relationship again. However, it's very plausible its a familiar character that is to blame for this. I doubt Chronos could just free himself.
The fight against Chronos and explaining the nature of the roguelite is interesting. I like your idea of Zagreus being the one to send you back on your last moments. I just wonder how the story could progress if always at a stalemate.
I'm trying to avoid as many spoilers as I can, but I honestly didn't expect A each me to be as adorable as she is!😊 Truthfully, I'm half-expecting someone to make a cuddly plush of this version of her. She and Dusa both are cute enough to warrant it.
I pray for your limited spoilers, they're everywhere. I'm not helping with this video either haha. I would so buy an Arachne plush, she's the cutest!
Okay, so I'm still confused. How did Arachne actually have offspring when she was the first spider in existence?
This could get so cursed real fast.
It is implied that at some point in time she had a mate. Maybe after her transformation gods created another spider in order to further spread this spiecies.
@@2ley695 We love you Arachne, spiders are great.
To give some useful context in the myth of Arachne - Ovid, who wrote the Metamorphoses, really liked painting the gods as irrational, flawed and jealous of humanity, punishing humans by stripping them of their skill and their identtiy (probably because he was grumpy about being exiled by Augustus, and was projecting like crazy. For example; Medusa, Arachne, Io, etc)
All the myths he used already existed, but he re-wrote them to be more unfair- which is why, in the most common version of the myth, Athena spontaneously displays the shockingly out-of-character trait of ENVY, rather than destroying Arachne's work due to her lack of respect (in the original myths Arachne claimed herself to be a better weaver than Athena herself and that she would win a weaving competition against her, a classic Greek Hubris Tragedy where the hero thinks too highly of themselves and is reminded, painfully, that they are NOT gods, but Ovid's version doesn't make sense for the rest of the pantheon's canon).
Besides, Arachne's trapestry displayed *fifteen* separate occassions where Zeus and/or Poseidon dropped everything to bang women, more than half the time shaped as an animal while they did it (believe it or not there are even modern painting portraying the exact same thing Dx), imagine Athena's face when she saw a visual display of her dad and uncle banging everything that moves. (Plus, she never showed interest in sex in the myths). While she admites she admires Arachne's skill and execution, she is upset by the disrespectful choice and honest to god (haha) wacks Arachne on the head with her weaving shuttle 🤣Arachne feels devastated by the critique like any artist and considers taking her life, (in some version she even does take her life) and Athena saves her life by transforming her into a spider. Of course, Arachne may or may not have ben okay with that haha
I honestly hope the developers go with the original version of the myth, as I'm not a huge fan of Ovid works 😅
This was an interesting read thank you very much.! It's not in this video because for whatever reason, new Arachne dialogue was found (Probably an in-game update). But in Supergiant's version, Arachne provides more detail about the competition, claiming that Athena's final product did not even come close. Arachne's curse in exchange for Athena's humiliation.
Based on how you describe Ovid's work, I would enjoy these interpretations more because I find gods being fallible as a more compelling insight to human nature. Very fascinating that Arachne's work was depicting the gods this way, quite the statement to how the gods could easily have their way with anyone. Art has always been powerful and used to make a statement. Arachne viewed as an artist that challenge the gods, or the status quo with her tapestries sounds like a modern interpretation if you ask me. Now I do agree, the gods purposefully punishing humanity may be a stretch.
@@Hamstir4 I see! it could be that Supergiant wants to make Hades II with a different look towards the pantheon (I could swear I've read somewhere about Melinoë not being a fan of her family either) in contrast to Zagreus being close to other deities and the gods being more complex and the myths having more than what they originally seemed. To the point of wanting to just mess up with the mortals' beliefs a little
So maybe the gods are more flawed or even more evil leaning towards mortals, like Moros admits he and the Fates every now and then mess with mortals to spice up the prophecies even though he regrets it.
I feel with Arachne's work it could be a mix of her being ahead of her time, and a mix of her making fun of the gods and shoving NSFW at Athena's face xD plus... women in Greece weren't exactly well respected, and that was represented in the myths as well but it was the norm ^^U so maybe you could say Arachne showing gods that way was like the portraying of what we will see today as... idk, a woman in the modern day saying she doesn't want to have children, and a bunch of people going *gasps*. Of course, that treatment was bad back in the day and it's bad today, just thinking in the possible context for ovid's train of thought.
BTW, Athena's tapestry showed five different myths, four of them showing gods punishing fo people extreme hubris, with a central big one showing the origins of the city Athens. Maybe that's what Arachne meant XD
@@VI_VA. Arachne on nsfw had me howling LOL.
And right ^ if we put modern interpretations into these myths, for instance for Medusa’s story. It may have used to be, “Don’t sleep in front of Athena’s shrine since it’s disrespectful”. But now, with a modern lens, it’s a story about women were dammed either way. How could Medusa turn down a powerful god like Poseidon, this didn’t have a choice. And in the end, she’s punished either way from Athena or from Poseidon if she rejected him.
I received some information about Melinoe’s origin, partly about being the daughter of Zeus and Persephone? I’ll have to refer back to my amigo Tuan somewhere lmao.
A Wholesome thing that could be added : a "side quest" for returning arachnée to his old form ( or at least a more human form ) .
Athena could be busy on Olympus and forgot about Arachné. As the godess of wisdom she would apologize and maybe even learn a trick or two from her
Athena shoould apologize and undo the curse as the Goddess of Wisdom ^ but seeing how petty she was during the first game if you choose over her boon, it seems in character she may still be petty about Arachne. Because undoing the curse would mean Athena was in the wrong, and she probably would not admit that.
I'd be interested to see Arachne's human form! but will miss the cute spider.
Her laugh...xD
The poor weaver...
I hate that they made her so adorable lol she’s precious
Ps if you’re curious why I hate it, it’s because I’m too used to the heroes of Olympus version that was straight up just selfish and ‘evil’.
I think she's the cutest too, and yup ^ she's very humanized in this interpretation.
@@Hamstir4she’s also seemingly incredibly tiny since she usually appears the size of a Rhino
If you're doing requests for which interactions happen next, maybe Hephaestus or Hestia?
Sure, I had an amigo requesting for Moros in the works some time. For Olympian gods, I was thinking of putting them altogether, because I'm hand selecting dialogues where they are contextualizing the story. So, it may be less dialogue than people would be expecting heh. For example, dialogues where Poseidon flexes his power over the sea or how cool his boons are, I'm not including that.
I think I'll disappoint some people doing it this way, but I also feel it's a bit redundant otherwise. If that's alright with you, you can expect Hestia and Hephaestus within the same video! Unless you prefer them separate?
@@Hamstir4 Nah, that's fine. Keep the important stuff that others can see, save the interesting smaller bits for actually buying the game.
@@CamelofDestiny My thoughts exactly! You get me.
I would have liked a more spiderlike face, personally, but this is still very cute. Great writing nonetheless.
I get what you mean, Arachne goes about looking hideous, but that doesn't really work when she's the cutest crittle in the room. She needed that 8 eyes to be scary, but maybe Supergiants was trying to be considerate for people with arachnophobia.
Arachne’s an adorable, cute little spider girl
She absolutely is, she must be saved.
I came here to hear her songs that she stops *once* you interact with her... And I was painfully disappointed.
ya she does. I waited before on my technical run, I believe Run 2? But she loops after a quick verse. I hope she had more songs later down the line!
So are you team Melinoe / Dora or Melinoe / Arachne.
I know where my money is, ahuhuhuhu~
My heart goes to Arachne. Ahuhuhu (Think I’m doing it right)
She's so cute! 😍
It’s true, I fell for her immediately
(Edit) Slight question regarding my below insinuation: Is Hades and Hades 2 based from Greek Myth or Roman Myth? *Is Relevant
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Wasn't it Arachne's vanity that caused her situation in the myth? That she was so vain that she challenged the gods into a weaving contest which Athena accepted, stating that the judges would be the gods themselves? As a handycap, Athena stated that she would weave stories of the mortals and Arachne would weave stories of the gods themselves, and that Arachne herself had chosen to create a piece depicting all of the lowest of low points (Poseidon's assaults, Zues's infidelity, Hera's blind fury, ect) and that Athena herself admitted that Arachne's weaving was so pure and wonderous that if she hadn't been so vain and chosen to insult the gods that she would have won? That she hung herself from the shame of defeat, only to be saved by Athena and given the chance to do the one thing she loved in her life for the rest of her life?
I’m not sure which it’s based off, but comments below have also pointed out your concern too ^ in that depending on the version, it may have been Arachne’s own doing rather than Athena not handling the humiliation well.
I'm pretty sure hades 1 borrowed from both and lampshaded between the two on a few occasions (Zagreus and Dionysus being the same person or not for example). If I were to guess (idk the answer if there is one) that they'd probably go with the idea that she challenged the gods and did the humiliation piece for the gods, and athena punished her for it?
I'm also not finding a greek version of the myth, it looks like the hanging one is Ovid's according to the wiki page.
@@TeleportRush you’re right! They did kinda borrowed Zagreus’s other origin as a gag, it’s likely they’ll take other aspects of Arachne’s story to bring many nuances into conflict. And I’m seeing more Ovid’s too if we’re to look at Athena’s faults here.
It's my impression, but looks like Hades 2 had so much characters than the first game, that's amazing. I hope we can see Hades, Thanatos, Persephone too tho
I agree 100%. My take is that Supergiants realized how much they could do after Hades 1 and decided not to hold back. Characters and gameplay got crazier.
she is rarity idgaf
I can see that, tho maybe Arachne and Rarity could have some competition or something? Heheh