SONY BRAVIA 9 Disappointment? All Hype? Or awesome!
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- Today's video is on the brand new Sony Bravia 9 mini led. The Bravia 9 just released and has been met with much praise and much criticism. We are here to address both and bring some balance to Mini-Led vs Oled conversation.
Special thanks to Value Electronics for supplying the Sony Bravia 9 for extended review. Please consider making your next AV purchase through them valueelectroni... or call them directly at 914 723 3344 and ask for Robert or Wendy and please mention Brian at BRIAN'S TECH THERAPY.
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Thanks for another excellent presentation that goes deep into Sony's new flagship BRAVIA 9 QD MiniLED TV! It was you and FOMO that persuaded me to come up with our exclusive launch promotion that gifts our clients with a 10% store credit with the BRAVIA 9 purchase. Our 85" BRAVIA 9 shipment arrived and very excited for Brian to visit us again and film Sony's 85" BRAVIA 9.
Great! My next TV 🤞
Perfect! Brian, please compare to 85X95L so everyone can see the difference. Thanks
@@serdaryilmaz3947 💯YES!
Today, Sony lowered the BRAVIA 9 QD MiniLED 75" to now be $3,499. and the 65" $2.999. We're still delivering Nationwide from 7 warehouses across America at no charge
Sir I am a big fan of you and what you have achieved!
No matter the verdict, it's gonna be an 85" Bravia 9 in my Caribbean living room (use case - 10000 natural nits 5am - 6pm/sunny). So far, its pic quality is top and deep blacks are very good. ....Bun G4 (Brian's beast).
I already know I am getting a Bravia 9 it's just a matter of 85" (preferably) or 75". I am coming from LCD FALD. It's nothing but a massive upgrade in everything. Couldn't care less what OLED lovers demand. I know what I want and need. This doesn't mean I don't like OLED. I would also contemplate one, but they have flaws that I don't want to deal with in MY use case scenario. I use my TV as PC monitor and I do NOT disable any ASBL to void warranties. I use my TV for everything including movies and games and PC stuff. It will burn in because of sheer amount of use. The YT logo is like a mini CNN logo as well. I use TH-cam a lot. I don't want my desktop dimming from ASBL.
I am fully aware that some blooming could be seen here and there. But I also don't treat my MiniLED like an OLED in FMM mode sitting in the dark. I sit in a dimly lit room. So already there the ambient bias lighting help with any downsides, even if not eliminating it. I prefer brightness and HDR impact. I also prefer shadow detail to the point I rather have lifted blacks at times to SEE everything than black crush.
I come from 34ms 4K 60 gaming. I think a 9ms 120hz with VRR will be a big upgrade. The black levels and colors and HDR brightness will 100% from what I have.
I love sony processing I tried the S95B and it was so BAD in TH-cam videos compared to an old Sony because X-reality creation upscaling and detail enhancement. The S95B looked like smear and blurry. Only good at 4K.
I won't have an OLED sitting next to my TV so any minute thing I am missing I won't even be aware of. The B9 will be the best image quality for me. It's not an OLED but as icing on the cake it does get closer than ever before. That is just a bonus. I don't expect any OLED out of it.
I don't want to go with QM851G even if I can save money. Because it will lack things I need. It's just not there yet as the Sony is. Hence I am willing to drop the cash. I am not going into debt doing it. I already have the money. I will keep it for many years until there is a new massive leap and maybe even Micro-LED or new tech has come out for consumers.
This TV needs to be reviewed showing it's abilities not being held as a "Why isn't it an OLED". That's the annoying part with some many testers and reviewers they treat it like it has to be an OLED. always dark room and always low nit content to enhance OLED black levels etc. It's disingenous at this point. Shoot it in a lit room and also use content it was designed for. But also some other content to show has it improved, is it even better with contrast than previous years etc. No one expects an OLED. At least not if you know anything about TVs.
What is this about? I have the G4 and Bravia 9 and the Bravia 9 is definitely not a disappointment. In my opinion it is the best lcd in existence. People, just wait for proper measurements by Vincent and also Rtings has the B9 in its lab. The B7 is almost equal as the X95L, and the X95L is still a beast. So believe me when i tell you that i'm really impressed by the B9. No real reviews and comparisons have been made. Set it against my G4, then they trade blows. Set it against any other LCD, then it is king
they are just looking for clicks.
I realize that, ever since they were invited to view this TV they have been pushing it, but the reality is always different, LCD TVs will always have big trade-offs with contrast lack of real blacks and blooming....
I have the 75 waiting for the 85 it’s a beast
No way a full array local dimming tv is even close to the X95L mini-led. I’m sure the 7 looks good but not x93 or x95 good.
clickbait as usually.
I haven't seen anyone expecting it to beat the OLEDs so I'm confused by the comment re. resetting the expectation. The expectations seem reasonable given the price and the initial Sony marketing around their local dimming.
Ive seen folks compare it to the G4 and A95L in mixed content, including high APL scenes, and most folks preferred the contrast of the OLED over the high APL of the Bravia 9.
Most folks don't feel a strong desire for anything brighter than these new OLEDs because there isn't much content graded above 1000 nits.
And the OLEDs are okay (not great) in high APL content too.
MiniLED in the living room. OLED in the bedroom.
That’s the way to go. That’s exactly what I have: 2017 Sony 75” Z9D LED in the living room and a 2020 Sony 55” A8H OLED in my small bedroom. Would love to upgrade to an 85” Mini LED for the living room though, just not sure which one yet. Bravia 7, Bravia 9, Hisense U8N, Hisense U9N or the new 2024 TCL QM8? 🤔 Any suggestions? I’m planning to wait until black friday to get the best deal.
Same! I have a s90c 55 in the bedroom and looking to get an 85 led for the living room!
I agree. Qdoled iin my bedroom.
I agree KEV😊
What if I do not want a TV in my bedroom.
Thanks Brian and FOMO for taking the time to bring us the best info possible. Forget about the trolls and malcontents. They are always around. The vast majority of us appreciate the hell out of you guys and I hope you know that. Keep on keeping on brothers.....
Reeling in the clicks😂
I can’t speak for everyone else - but my interest in comparing a Bravia 9 to an LG G4 is because I’m just tying to decide exactly which trade offs I want to live with:
- I love OLED!
- But my tv room gets a lot of sunlight - and even though I don’t let my kids watch too much tv, it’s brutal watching something with them when there is ambient light and the tv is washed out
- or sometimes I will play a Pokémon game with my son in the morning and there is a lot of sunlight in the room
In a perfect world, the LG G4 would work great for all hours. But I wonder if the Bravia 9 would be excellent for the sunlight hours - and yet still put on a mighty nice picture for when I am watching a movie at night in the near dark.
In short - I’m curious about the comparison because it’s important to know how good it’s strengths are and HOW MUCH worse it is in the dark.
I’m sure it’s worse - but if it’s still fantastic in the dark - and great in the light, that’s a pretty great option.
Although my heart wants the G4 - the Bravia 9 may be the better all arounder for my situation.
bought a g4 i love it
@@timothylock2043I think the G4 - or M4 when it comes out - is probably how I’m leaning - but I’m surprised at how how impressive the B9 sounds.
Fully appreciating the tradeoffs - which I think the guys made quite clear!
But it sounds like playing a little Switch with my son or watching hockey or basketball with son during the day - the B9 is going to be great.
Problem is - most people do not want nuance.
They want to hear “OLED Killer”
I'm comparing the bravia 9 to my 65" Sony Z9F and my first 4k tv the 55" Sony 930E. I post on AVS forum and follow a lot of the comments on TH-cam that have Bravia 9 videos. Majority of the comments attack the bravia 9 because it isn't a oled. I don't get this mind frame that if isn't a OLED it's garbage. I'm getting the 75" Bravia 9 later this year after I see it with my own eyes. No disrespect to Brian, Fomo, KG, and all the others but I don't agree with what they see. I have my own eyes. Also watching a video on TH-cam is not a true representation also. At the end of the day peole should buy what they want and not be persuaded by these influencers and TH-cam comments. If you can't stand blooming get an oled. If you don't mind some blooming and love high peak brightness then get a mini LED. If you have room and can afford it then get both. Be happy with your purchase and enjoy your display.
I just want to encourage you to follow your instincts when it comes to this stuff. If you have been around a while and know what you like don't second guess yourself. I can tell you first hand the 75" XR90 is a beast
Majority who want to buy new flagship is after main tv and wants to select either. B9 higher brightness doesn’t show in majority of scenes whereas OLEDs micro contrast that created 3D effect is. People hoped perhaps B9 brightness would add something extra that would create 3D. But it didn’t, fell short. So the usual over hype and disappointment. Now if Sony would price it better still many could pick it over OLED but they again didn’t. Dollar for dollar, pound for pound G4 is better choice for majority.
@@whitecrowuk575 like they said in the video the content has to be mastered to the higher peak brightness levels. Some TH-cam videos are but most stuff isn't yet. Keyword YET... This will change very shortly. If you don't care about that then that's fine but there are some great benefits now and there will be even more in future content.
@@Wizznilliam I mean doesn’t show even with dynamic tone mapping. I assume because it a) doesn’t go that high in small specular highlights due to blooming control / oled probably higher here b) scenes that it could go higher are very few and some movies don’t have any.
@whitecrowuk575 That's just not true. You are just saying things that you don't know. And my point doesn't even have anything to do with Dynamic Tone Mapping. The whole point of the higher peak brightness is that they don't have to do as much tone mappings. It can get bright enough to show the real color that is supposed to be displayed. And you don't have to believe me. FOMO already put out his video hours ago that he mentioned here showing this. He had the comparison against the OLEDs that could not display the full color ranges that went beyond their brightness capabilities.
Condolences and the good Lord's blessings to the Cosmo family.
I finally saw the S95D at my local Bestbuy. Not a fan of the screen. In my opinion it pulls dimensionality out of the picture. Not an epic fail by Samsung, but they should have offered customers the choice of screen coating (matte or glossy) on their flagship...and should have put their best processor in the television. Samsung, Give us your best processor in your 2025 QD OLEDs...the leadership team made a substantial decisioning error by reserving the best processor for the 900D. It's embarrassing. I know Samsung engineers have to be frustrated being handcuffed by their leadership team. It's a shame.
Yea, the ugly coating setting the 95D back of the G4 in contrast. And the G4 is near perfect out of the box 📦 and beats the Samsung in upscaling. The 95D may win on even more vibrant colors or gaming features.
Thing is, they always need something for next year and in all fairness, the s90d does get the glossy screen and have better abl, although not quite as bright.
Apparently watching the tv in the bright room that’s when you see the problems with the coating it’s better watched in a dark room
You’re going to say you love the B9!
Hey Leezah
and a good day to you sir! @michaelwyckoff7593
Many LCD lovers have/had unrealistic expectations that the Bravia 9 would equal or exceed the best OLED format whether WRGB or QD OLED. The Bravia 9 was not designed to that. Rob from Sony never made that claim. Rob only said that the new Sony 3110 mastering monitor and Bravia 9 share a similar backlight system and the focus was bringing cinema home. That's it. There were no claims that the Bravia 9's picture would equal the mastering monitor or an OLED. The Bravia 9 can get overall higher picture luminance and brighter HDR, but it's still an LCD panel with the same deficiencies albeit much improved. Sony never deemed the Bravia 9 to be a masters series for a reason. Only Sony self emissive OLEDs will receive that designation. The Bravia 9 is a fantastic and formidable television, but it's core technology is its limiting factor when compared to a self emissive OLED. Let's also not forget that as OLED advancement continues it will reach higher peak brightness levels.
U wrong the Z9L is a Máster Series..
Z9K would like a word, as well as the Z9F , Z9G, and Z9J.
It’s definitely a master series. Yes it’s not Oled wasn’t designed to beat Oled in blacks. It was designed to beat Oled in Terms of HDR while giving you the best local dimming of any mini led and it easily does. It’s the best hdr presentation I’ve ever witnessed. No ABL no burn in. I love my Oled but the B9 will be my go to for movies. They truly brought cinema home.
Tell that to actual QDOLED (A95L) and WOLED (G4) owners. They trade blows with B9 for 1K nit mastered content but the B9 display absolutely destroys any OLED to date for 4K nit mastered content.
@@NexGenTektrue cinema with all that blooming? B9 is great but not OLED level.
Here's my bottom line, I'm getting the 85' B9 for three reasons. 1) zero worry of burn in 2) size 3) shadow detail. I've literally seen clips from an a95l where parts of an image are completely black. However on the B9 there is content there. Why would i pay 5000 for a tv that literally blacks out details. I know most people say colors are more saturated on oled, bit i think its more from the fact they are just darker and not accurate. You take an 85" B9 and put a soft d65 white ambient light behind it, and not only will you see zero blooming, but the contrast and colors will blow oled away
You guys made an excellent point about OLED vs LED. if the the TVs are priced the same (65-77 inches), just get the OLED, but if you want a massive screen (83-100 inches), then LED is the clear choice, and Sony’s Bravia 9 LEDs are gonna get bigger, better and probably cheaper in the next few years. I wonder if Samsung Display is working on larger QD-OLEDs for 2025-26.
Hi Guys, love your work. I’ve seen FOMO say “this (Bravia 9) is a tv for the future” a number of times on a number of different videos. But, why would you buy a tv designed for 4000 nit content , now, when, by the time it (4000 nit content) becomes commonplace, you’d be thinking about buying a new tv?
I’m sorry, and I do love you guys show, but there is absolutely zero way I’m going back to a miniLED after going to OLED. I even said it on the main Sony site whenever they brought out the Bravia 9 out. MiniLED is basically a fancy backlight system. People just want cheaper OLED and brighter OLEDs. Apple with their tandem display has shown other TV manufacturers that the brightness is there for OLED. They just need to continue to innovate. Manufacturing the second layer of OLED is actually not that much more expensive, also why can’t there be a third tandem layer increasing the brightness even further? And I believe that if people are offered a 2000 fullscreen OLED screen.. I think they’ll be satisfied. 2000 full screen is amazingly bright. 4000 nits is amazing but at these bright levels, you only experienced them for a few seconds on Movies for explosions or sun shots. Our eyes are very much, tuned to or adjusted to the normal visual range of colors that OLED produces.
You can love OLED all you want but the tech is maxed out, LG muight be able to squeeze out a little bit more brightness over the next few years but it wont be nothing earth shaking, MiniLed on the other hand still have lots of improvement for brightness, and blooming control so it will continue to get better.
Suit yourself, I like the better technology myself, and mini LED is the better of the technology. OLED has reached it's peak. OLED pixels have a limited life span and get quite a bit dimmer over their life span. The heat the generate is basically their downside. My Bravia 9 has nearly the same contrast as an OLED, much brighter and impactful picture, panel technology that doesn't degrade over time, and much better shadow detail. The Bravia 9 looks much more life like than OLED. Why don't you check one out before limiting yourself!
@@vcam-g9hOLED is far from being maxed out. WRGB OLED with MLA will hit 4,000+ nits next year, the same as the Mastering Monitors and content produced. They can also get even brighter. QD-OLED has plenty of room for brightness and will easily hit 4,000 nits with room to spare. They haven’t even tapped into blue phosphorus OLED yet. All of this to match LCD brightness (content won’t be produced over 4,000 nits for many many years).
The Bravia 9 is awesome, but to say OLED is done is not correct. Many will see this in 2025.
Agree with you 100%. People have come to love oled and that's fine. I've owned oleds exclusively since 2021. Im so ready to go to mini led, especially one as capable as the B9. I'm over how dim oleds are. More specificly how they come out of black. People don't realize how much shadow detail is lost from scene to scene. And the colors are more saturated sure, but they are less accurate in my opinion.
@@vcam-g9h OLED is not maxed out.
Oled doesn't shine just in dark rooms 😂😂 go to best buy in its bright ambient light and it still smokes all the mini LEDs.contrast is a huge strength on any lighting condition.
Will the Bravia 9 be included in the VE shootout?
Yes. Some extra information: actual shootout is for 65" only. oled and minileds compete separately at first, then group winner vs winner. Also there will be 83 and above comparisons e.g. 83" G4 and 85" Bravia 9.
Dont underestimate brightness and Sony processing. STILL loving my Z9G after all these years
The moment I saw the title of the video I knew there will be bunch of Sony fanboys raging. Even Sony mentioned B9 wasn’t designed to beat A95L or OLED.
Have had my 75" Bravia 9 now for a week and half and I can't get enough of it!!! It's a BEAUTIFUL television. The best looking TV I have owned, even better than every OLED I have had (yes including the A95L). It's so much brighter with punchy colors and contrast that's on par with an OLED. Yes, it's true, it's all true!! Get one and see for yourself!! I haven also not seen any evidence of blooming!
Sony gets my vote.
I want see one with my eyes and knowing how I need it to perform due to my personal usage and lighting conditions it will need to be good to sway me from yet another Samsung 8k the reports from Brian and formo , Vincent does help but getting hands on will tell truth…will I be returning to Sony since 2015 who knows 😮😮😮
Oh my god this title and thumbnail. 👀🤣🤣killing me... I'm halfway in and both of you are being quite level headed and fair. respect!
I've had the 75" Bravia 9 for a week now and it's actually blown me away. The best I've seen so far when it comes to purely movie watching. If you like a cinematic/FILMIC look this TV is your baby. I can't say for certain but I think what makes it special is that it gets the scene APL right first and foremost. This is like the base level for everything. I can't wait to see how it holds up with others against a reference monitor
We need a comparison between Bravia 8 and Bravia 9, watching action HDR movies in dark room with motion settings turned off.
So its stutter free Bravia 9 vs the superior contrast of the Bravia 8. Watching the movie as 100% creator's intent.
I dont get it. Bravia 9 is the most overhyped tv on the market, by far. Every video you guys made on it had comments full of people preordering before they knew anything about it. Its up to us to tell them to slow down. Who else is going to call b/s on sony's marketing, and point to all the issues they have year after year? Your hype videos are whats not helping. Our caution is absolutely not the problem
You're right. You don't get it.
@@skye1212 because it's always smart to buy things based on hype oppose to actual reviews or measurements, right?
Reviewers drank the juice.
I didn't expect it to be 100% as good as OLED, but I think I we were over hyped. For mini LED, it's a flagship. While I love OLED, I haven't 100% written the Bravia 9 off. I thought about Bravia 8 but people keep saying WOLED is inferior to QD-OLED but Sony only has One QD-OLED and it's expensive AF at 77" and above. I need upscaling because I have Cable tv ( and some streaming too). I watch a lot of tv shows but also watch a lot of movies too. I need the TV that can do it ALL. Not just good at one thing or another.
The g4 also has amazing upscaling
I purchased the A95L 77-inch before the Bravia 9 series was announced and I am super happy with it. I mostly watch 4K Blu-Ray movies, stream online TV/movies, and play PS5 video games. However, the Bravia 9 improvements excite me with the promise of next level HDR brightness detail and for it being a part of Sony's new movie viewing reference technology. And I would not mind owning more than one TV, then I could put one in the living room and one in the bedroom. Say I purchase the Bravia 9 75-inch or even the 85-inch version, now I have both and life is good... OK, now the problem is which TV should I put in which room?! Note the ambient light is average and decently controlled in both rooms. So this scenario comes down to what exactly, the A95L's OLED pure black contrast, zero bloom, and other OLED goodness vs the new Bravia 9's superior HDR brightness technology, better bright scene highlights and details, ETC, and which would I prefer in the living room vs the bedroom? Which is Ultimately better for movies, TV, and video games... and I honestly do not know. Perhaps I should wait a few years for something even more spectacular over my A95L, a more advanced version of the Bravia 9, as Sony believes that OLED will plateau and the Bravia 9 tech will eventually surpass OLED, especially considering the new Sony movie reference monitor now in the field making movies, which is more akin to the Bravia 9 tech in ultimate HDR brightness and details than the A95L or any other OLED. No matter what happens, I intend to continue with Sony TVs as they have more than won me over with the quality of the A95L. Perhaps the Bravia 9 tech will eventually prove to outlast the lifespan of the OLED tech as well, with less chance of burn in, less organic light diodes to wear out, as I would imagine being the case. So at what point does the OLED specialness not matter anymore vs the new Bravia 9 tech? How much does the Bravia 9 backlight tech need to evolve to become the undisputed king? I also agree that size and price will play a big part of that answer. Going from 55-inch to 65-inch to 77-inch was transformative. And I don't think that I have hit my upper limit on TV size yet. I. could try the Bravia 9 85-inch next, then creep up to a 120-inch display easily. My conclusion for now is that the A95L was the right choice at the time of purchase. Two to five years from now, I think the Bravia 9 series will win overall with the better HDR brightness and with whatever improvements they can make to combat traditional OLED strengths.
You guys are sooooo entertaining! I love the honesty you guys bring in your reviews and analysis of all the different attributes of the various TV's out there you guys bring forth. Keep up the great work!
They are! BRIAN-FOMO saying "You can't pick up chicks talking about TV panel tech" LOL
These companies need to fix all this stuttering coming from OLEDs. Frame interpolation soap opera is not the way.
How come my phone oled has better motion than tv oleds?
Still get soap opera on Samsung S22U. Unfortunately. And OLED prone to overshooting a lot as well which is not good that makes the motion too artificial and unnatural. LCD has the least overshooting problem. Plasma still the best choice for motion though that can't be beaten. I know the motion on LCD is not good as OLED but less overshooting is much better and more smooth motion and less stuttering. I prefer LCD over OLED any days for this technology available nowadays. Most gaming monitor including LCD already hit at 540 mark well ahead of OLED. So LCD been around much longer than OLED and has mature well. Fyi I tried out A80K one time and it was the worst ever in motion, awful. I returned it as Sony supporter online declared defective on my panel after I show them sample of problems. Not good. Sony was happy to help return product if it is a problem they are really helpful. The older X900H I still have, no problem so far. And have LG QNED91 and is going well but with exception of DSE of course.
The soundbar took 1 port so only 1 open hdmi 2.1 port but I have both ps5 and Xbox. I am forced to buy Samsung LED now because I keep my TV you on all the time.
I want to make it clear that I am not critiquing FOMO or Brian here, but I am critiquing Sony.
The Bottom line is the Bravia 9 is marketing. I'm sure it's a good panel, but I'm also sure Sony makes more selling its own mini-LED tech then it will having to buy panels from LG. The expectation since Sony announced these panels was that the B9 would match or beat OLEDs. Further, if Sony really did say there would still be blooming, then it was in the fine print. I'm must respectfully disagree with your comments that Sony was always up front about the Bravia 9's capacities. They really were not, and the community is not a bunch of dunces. We were sold a narrative that the B9 was someting of a revolution - all the advantages of a mini-LED panel without the disadvantages. Precision control of dimming zones, virtually no blooming, 4000 nits. All the videos about these incredible lighting zones all but eliminating blooming - a narrative that was broadcast by every channel - turned out to be exactly that, marketing. What was meant by those videos that striped away all the colors and contrast and showed us the raw lighting zones and how much precision control the panel would have then? In the end, from what I've seen, there's still all the same blooming that you would expect on any LED panel.
Honestly, I strongly suspected that the B9 was all marketing and would not (and could not) be much of an improvement over the X95L, and that it certainly would not beat the A95L. My issue is that Sony is presenting this as its flagship model this year AND priced it accordingly. It's not better tech, it's just a better business deal for Sony. That's fine, but don't sell us like it isn't.
It depends on what tv people are coming from as well. If someone has a 2020 or older flagship TV, then certainly Bravia 9 will feel like a very rewarding upgrade, but if you're going from 2023 to 2024, it may not feel as ground-breaking. One area Sony really stands out is motion. I feel very annoyed watching fast-moving scenes from any top tier TV whether mini-led or OLED from any TV Maker other than Sony. It just doesn't feel as smooth on other tvs. This is where Bravia 9 definitely feels revolutionary (when compared to any competitor) even though Sony has always excelled in motion.
I had a Z9K and A95L and it’s better than both of them! I think So y did an amazing job, and it’s the best TV I’ve ever personally seen or owned. Have you seen one in person?
@vacguy77 Most of these reviews state that qd-oled is the way to go over w-oled. They state that the color vibrancy and luminance over the competition make it so they can't recommend them. Now, the contrast on oled tvs is better than mini-led. Brightness is better on mini-led over oled. The future is coming, but it's not here yet so for now we have to decide which technology does it for us as individuals. What floats your boat may make someone else's boat capsize. Just because we like something don't mean that everyone else will like it as well.
Sad to hear about the cosmos. May they both rest in peace
And per usual, great video. I am happy you all are covering how people have preferences! We need competition with different tech to keep breeding innovation. We all don't know each other's setups. 😊
Never understood why SONY hasn’t made the smaller 65in size BRAVIA 9 available for the European/UK market, when homes/rooms here on average tend to be smaller than in North America(?)
In our use case: room has large windows providing lots of ambient light; TV would be in use for 16 hours or more per day; watching SDR & HDR content; subtitles always on etc. and having had to replace OLED TV’s before their time owing to insurmountable burn-in & overheating problems, for our usage SONY X95L mini-LED(LED) was the way to go…for now at least.
Besides. The performance differential between the best mini-LED TV’s vs QD-OLED TV’s isn’t as clear-cut, at least for our room & our use case. Especially so once our X95L was pro. calibrated.
Hard to gauge either TV’s performance through a YT video, as we’re probably only seeing a fraction of their respective average/peak brightness levels, colour accuracy/gamut, contrast range, motion control etc. But i’m sure the SONY B9 is a definite step-up in performance over last year’s X95L, as far as mini-LED TV technology is concerned.
However. Even if it was available here in the 65in size, personally speaking, i don’t know whether i could have justified the considerable jump in price for the SONY B9. Unless perhaps there was a markedly better new eg. dual-cell/dual-layer mini-LED/micro-LED TV(?) technology, more HDR format support eg. Dolby Vision IQ, HDR10+, HD10+ Adaptive etc. & better connectivity eg. improved Bluetooth, Gigabit Ethernet port, 4 x HDMI 2.1@48Gb/s, 2 x eARC ports, USB-3 ports etc. involved(?)
Kudos on yet another detailed, insightful, fascinating & worthwhile discussion between yourself & FOMO.
Best regards.
Bob.
Wow. Excuses, excuses. The problem I have is Sony is charging flagship prices for updated “old” technology. The Bravia 9 is a tv Sony could have made 5 years ago. They tell us it’s their flagship tv and we can’t compare it to the competitor’s flagship tvs? Get real. Oled vs mini led is a real concern for consumers. We didn’t ask Sony to update an LCD and now present it as a flagship. The A95L was your tv of the year and qd oled is a valid upgrade on LCD. Why won’t Sony put their money into a 4k nit qd oled? Because it’s cheaper to make mini led. I understand the near future movies will have highlights at 4k nits and above, but don’t try reach that objective with a tv that can’t handle blooming, has issues with movement, local dimming and other issues we already conquered with oled. It seems Sony is going backwards and trying to sell it as something new and a flagship. The consumers deserve better. Don’t try to sell me something at a flagship price that can’t compare with what the industry already has available.
You people obviously haven’t seen these new miniLEDs in person. Even last years X95L kept up with these stagnant OLEDs. OLED has become boring honestly. Not much improvement. I just returned my 83” G4 for the 85” Bravia 9. All this OLED hype for low nit dim displays that can’t handle near black scene. Best OLED on the market is the A95L. Only one worth getting. This Bravia 9 is a breath of fresh air. I’m tired of dealing with all the annoyances of OLED these past few years.
@@IntotheFurther. I respect your opinion. The Bravia 9 is probably a good tv for what it is. My issue is with Sony calling it their flagship and charging the high price for it. Simple put: I’m not sure the Bravia9 can hang with their real flagship, the A95L. Bring on the comparisons. Sony would do best to lower the price of the Bravia9 and call it their mid-tier model. By calling it their flagship, they are inviting comparisons to other flagships from competitors. Fair or not, Sony brought this on themselves. The silver lining is that we consumers win. There are some great tvs out there. Buy what you want. It’s your money. Enjoy your tv.
Great for Sony providing another option that has its own strengths. Love that they are coming with technology innovation of their own rather than only using LG or Samsung panels. AND the cohesive strategy with their Company really works.
PS. I bought the Samsung S89C, as it works for my use case.
Take care guys! Love what you do!
Great discussion Brian, I like how you can appreciate all factors of tv performance and short falls with honest disclosure. I have an S90C, C3, plasma and several mini leds, all have thier strengths and weaknesses and like you can enjoy all for what they are. Panel tech is very close now so it's a good time for consumers.
The key is use case and versatility! Excellent to highlight that in the argument!
We're on to you Mole people. Mini LED will bring back Glorious shadows!!!!
No one expected the Bravia 9 to be better than OLED.
I don’t think that’s true. That’s the point of the videos title
@@Memo_323you gotta be new in the TV world to expect MiniLed to beat OLED…
Not exactly. Many hoped including myself that the bigger brightness would be more pronounced and give more depth to the picture. Reality is showing - between OLED hitting 1500 and B9 there is little difference but the micro contrast actually adds more to the depth than the increased brightness which doesn’t show in majority of scenes.
I get comments about it every day my friend. Hence why the video was made.
@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY For mass market consumer adoption, I fully expect mini-LED to be the future given the large price difference between it and OLED, but for now, if you want the very best and can afford it, that's still OLED, and that will be the case for at least the next few years.
Thank you Brian and FOMO for a very level headed discussion about the two leading tv technologies. You keep it fun and that is what matters!
Dolby Vision gaming is incredible on PC/Windows 11. It's a must have feature when buying a display in 2024. I hope the B9 supports it.
I would like to see these; Hisense U8N, Sony Bravia 9, TCL QM8 2024, Samsung QN90D, and LG QNED90T go up against one another without any oleds present.
I wish some of these videos/reviews would spend more time talking about the best TVs for sports watchers who also watch a lot of Ultra HD movies content. I'm debating whether to get the 77" G4, A95L, or even b9, but the lack of focus on sports in these videos makes it a much harder choice.
All these utubers are sponsored by China i think .
They dare not put such titles on China brand . I like SONY tv , in my eyes they are the best , the color is pleasing , the detail is the best .
Forget about the Computer software measurements , it is your own eyes to Measure it . And relaibilty too . It is SONY fullstop.
I don't trust the Chinese brands to last very long before replacing is required, say maybe 3-4 years if you're lucky. Who wants a 100" dead tv you need to get rid of, not me. I've had Sony TVs for decades and had no problems, had a Samsung plasma- died in 4 years.
Just my personal opinion and taste but I’ve never come across a LCD based TV that I’ve loved since their inception. Been installing TVs for 25 years and originally it was CRT and rear pro.
Used to install the early sharp LCDs.
Installed many Samsung, LG, Sony TVs in the last 20 years and OLED based TVs are still what I prefer. I currently use a Samsung 55QN95B as my computer monitor as it’s more suited to that for office use. OLED is what I use in my movie/TV viewing room.
Queston, is the B9 better than the Z9D? and the X95L?
I’m on the same exact boat than you. I have a 75” Z9D, but would love to upgrade to a 85” TV by the end of this year or by Black Friday
Yes, xr90 is a natural path for z9d owners
i think you guys are missing the point. Sony has this as its flagship. It should beat last years flagship. regardless of technology. The reason people are not happy about the blooming is because it was implied that the blooming would be unnoticeable due to the advanced mini led control where it is revolutionary technology. Turns out its not.
You obviously haven’t seen it in person
Who wants to sit in the dark all day? OLEDS look good in a cupboard and make a great mirror during the day.
I'll keep the OLED in the bedroom. I love it.
Brian, the one thing that keeps hitting me over the head is that even though it was “carried over”, the A95l has become invisible, rarely mentioned now. OLED comparisons almost always refer to LG and Samsung models. Last year’s top ranked 95L has been diminished by SONY itself - if SONY wants to play big again, it has to release some kind of updated model. It’s all about the G4, not SONY OLED. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Brian-how much wattage does the B9 use, and how hot does it get?
What are the words about stuttering on this TV? How bad is this issue?
Brian, is the Bravia 7 55" and 65" the same? Do they look the same?
Im not sure why people are getting confused about the bravia 9 trying to beat an oled. I have an s90c for my bedroom and am looking for an 85 inch led for my living room. I know the led wont beat my s90c for deep blacks and it will have some blooming, but it will work best for a bright room watching sports and movies. Every product has a use case!
Hey Bri/Fomo, thank you for everything you do for us. All information is useful. Guys, take the positive vibes the presenters give off and spread the love. Presentations like this take time and effort for which we should be grateful 🙏
You are watching a channel that is in the top 3 of cinema info, lucky us. Much love, Bri/Fomo ❤
I truly appreciate it my friend. Thank you so much
So, OLED is better for motion handling, and therefore better for sports, but my favorite sport is NHL, so would the brighter mini LED make it a better choice? Thanks!
I love my 65" A8H. Although, I need an LED TV for the living room. My wife is a teacher and likes to keep the tv on most of the day during summer break.
How is real-world off-angle viewing on the Bravia 9? Rtings scored the Bravia 7 and U8N as a 5.3 in off-angle viewing, and that will not work out well in my living room.
Love you guys. You guys are spot on with use case...buy a tv for what you want it to do.At 24.40 when you talk about Columbo..wow...I love Columbo, and if I can make it look better I'll spend anything!!
My QN95C makes Columbo look amazing!! But I'd love to see what oled does for Columbo.
I moved from lg b7 oled to the samsung q95b and couldn't be happier.
Got my 77inch c1 up for sale at the moment and my next tv will 💯 % be mini led ( probably sony) 1 thing that hardly gets mentioned is abl . Give me a bit blooming over abl ( asbl) any day.
Maybe people took this opportunity to buy discounted 2023 Sony models instead of purchasing the newer 2024 models. The Bravia 9 is an impressive TV for sure, but if someone can get a 2023 Sony higher end models for less I think most people will go that route. 🤨
Ive been hearing there are a lot of 2023 models from all TV brands that needed to be cleared out still at warehouses. I guess people didnt buy a lot of TV's last year compared to previous years 🤔
I bought a 85" Z9K still even after the 2024 lineup was announced. To me the carry over Z9K is still overall better than the Bravia 9 and has more features I wanted 😉
Not better than the Bravia 9 not even close when it comes to the backlight master drive and brightness. 8K is the only thing and there is no 8K content.
@@NexGenTekIm just talking about my personnal opinion based on what I need and early reviews I have read and seen.
Things I considered ...
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First and foremost I was already set on Sony's color science and Im glad I didnt compromise and get a Samsung QN900C. Im not really shooting for 8K, but it just tends that most best TV features are on the 8K models. In terms of brightness the Z9's already has been hitting 4000 nits peak brightness. The Bravia 9 is the brightest 4K TV yes and supposed to be 50% brighter then the X95L (which was rated 1500 nits)...The new Backlight Master Drive is impressive yes.
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The Z9K has a total of 85 Watt vs Bravia 9 that has 70 Watt power.
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* Z9K - 3 HDMI 2.1 vs Bravia 9 - 2 HDMI 2.1
* 8K upscaling...yes not a lot of 8K content but upscaling 4K to 8K is still impressive and I can sit closer to the TV.
* Bravia Cam included (But dont care much for it really)
@@AnythingGoesJoJo It’s the Backlight contrast is more than doubled on the Bravia 9. Z9 hit close to 4000 and that was the 85inch. Digital Trends found the A95L to be 2,000 nits.
Also tone mapping wasn’t like it is now it’s so well controlled highlights stand out like no other Sony tv before it. 8K upscaling is nice but a 4K picture can look better because it’s pixel matches 1:1 where on 8K the XR chip has to guess. Its new source based tone mapping is insane and much needed.
Z9K might still be what you prefer but the Bravia 9 is in a league of its own
@@NexGenTekI agree. Like I said based on my needs, I wanted the features that the Z9K has that the Bravia 9 does not, and that why its still better for me. The extra contrast and highlights I wont really be able to see that much difference unless I put a Z9K and Bravia 9 side by side if im being honest.
I own the Z9D and the oled A1E and to this day I easily prefer my Z9D over my A1E OLED despite not getting perfect blacks. I will buy the Bravia 9 because it’s the natural evolution of the Z9D.
Idk what ppl were expecting since the sony A95L launched late last year and Samung had little to show for 3rd gen QD Oled improvements. As an Oled fan i personally think this tv is very impressive it might not be oled but wow does it get close on many levels.
Will the b9 be compared to other mini LEDs cause this tech won't beat oled.
It was hyped by Sony themselves when the Sony PR guru went to various channels and boasting about their New backlighting system Also,mentioning their master monitor uses the same backlight technology as B9. Now people are saying it just another good mini LCD which is no different than other mini LCD TVs.
all marketing blah blah..sony is just trying to make us look at cheap, outdated technology again.. unfortunately sony is losing more and more market share
Bryan's intro's on last couple videos are absolute FIRE! 🔥
Thank you so much, my friend !
Guys Awesome video! love the reference to plasma TV's haha!! Here's my 2 cents, OLED will live on lower power applications and gaming displays until dual layer LCD becomes mainstream for large TV's! Cheers!
Man! I’m new to channel! And you guys are great with explaining everything
Thank you so much Christian! So glad you enjoyed! Welcome to the community and family
Bravia 9 vs X95L 🔥
More brightness is obviously better but at what point is a tv too bright? I picked up an LG G4 and Hisense U8N recently and even the G4, which maxes out at like 1600 nits is almost too bright in some games like NBA 2K24and the U8N is even worse. Both Tv's are in fairly bright rooms. 4000 nits just seems way too bright to me, IMO.
Bravia 9 sounds tempting. But for my needs it will always be a dark room, I just don't like bright rooms lol. So G4 it is
😂😂 Apologies accepted. Its funny, future proofing for 4000 nit content, that may or may not become common in commercial content at some distant future versus what common folks can watch and enjoy atm.
Anyone who has the 75" or access to the 75". Can you give me the measurements from the top screw vesa screw to the top of the tv? I am waiting on delivery and trying hard to get this to get my mount done ahead of time. Sanus does not have the new models in their system yet.
You should do a video on various use cases. I dont game . watch tv shows and movies by streaming. I am getting 2 high end tvs in the next six months. 75 and 98 inches. Cant get the darkness necessary for OLED.
I am in the market for a new TV. 85% of the TV's life will be for cartoons for the kids. However I want a good TV for when I actually get to watch it. I was looking at a 75+ size and was leaning to the Bravia 9. We are coming from a LG NanoCell 86 series 75". So all of these will be an upgrade. I do casually game on this TV with a PS5. We have a room with some light that is uncontrollable, but not extremely bright. I watch a lot of Netflix, but a little of everything. Would it be better to get a Bravia 9 75 or a Bravia 8 at 77 or even last years Sony OLED at 77. Thanks for the help.
With the announcement of the new Pentonic Soc we will have to wait until 2025 to access that.
Sony is my favorite and they always will be, but having said that, I’m buying 115 inches of TCL love when it comes out !!!!
the difference is that the oled is made for dark scenes and short lifespan(3-5years befor problem appears), B9 is made for bright scenes and long lifespan(over 10 years),almost opposite technology features, no existing TV can have both advantages.And they cannot replace each other.
i thought they fixed the OLED burn in problems?
I never knew oled had a short life of 5 years .
I guess I shouldn't buy one
@@46GarageUSA he is wrong. Not up to date on technology!
@@gosman949 he is not wrong. There may have been improvements, but OLED technology will inherently suffer from burn in over time due to aging of the organic materials in the OLED pixels. That is the reason why I'm switching from my LG OLED to B9. It had horrible burn in/color shifting in ~4 years.
Going to miss Cosmo... I couldn't believe the news... Condolences to the family.
Wait what happened to cosmo? I remember him commenting on the livestreams
Still waiting for that g4 vs b9 comparison before i pull the trigger!
I’m looking to buy a Sony tv I got sunlight coming in from the big windows what type of tv u guys suggest looking for a 70/80 s inch
You will need a mini LED bravia 7 , x95L if you can still get one or bravia 9
As always great analysis guys! Thank you!
So glad you enjoyed
When it comes to TVs, I always get the longest extended warranty that the company I’m buying it from offers.
G4 any day is way better than the bravia 9.... Is definitely not a flagship, no such thing as black and there's lots of blooming.... Sony should be ashamed of themselves this year...
Lot's of blooming on the B9 according to who - which sources or reviews are you refering to that mentions this?
Why would anyone say it isn’t better than an oled at being an oled?
Question is how oled like can the B9 be and Oled users want an OLED to be mini oled like
Sony is just offering more choice in my opinion, just choose what works for you, mini led or oled or Qdoled from their range.
Try sitting around the tv like your house guests and tell me the pq 😂 knowing you paid 5k 😅
hello brian how does the bravia 8 stack to the g4
Like a 90’s ford focus to a 2024 corvette 🤣
❤❤ Great conversation , Fomo n Brian are great !
I think average people compare TVs based on price, not technology. That's why you have people comparing the Bravia 9 to the G4. They are closer in price than the TCL and Hisense TVs.
Qm8 vs Bravia 9 which is better?
B9 but not thousands of dollars better
QM8 ans save money
What about U8N, still looking on it either between QM8. I had immpression, that U8N has better fast image processing.
Question is better than any other LCD screen
I have an lg oled and a 85"X90L. I prefer the Sony. Getting tired of the crushed Black's. Love the shadow detail and the HDR image of the X90L. I'm excited to be getting the Bravia 9 next year
When I buy a TV. I buy it really expensive one. And I expect to keep it for at least five years.
People keep comparing b9 to oled because it sells at the same price as oled if not higher.
My deep condolences to Cosmo family
I don't see the issue with people, Oleds Great but mini LED offers different things, I have 3 Oleds, Sony a80j, 48a9, Phillips 8000 series Oled, I have recently bought a 55x90L for gaming and I prefer the brightness of the full array TV then my Oleds, the point is buy what suits you,I am gearing towards mini LEDs like the bravia 7 it can show certain highlights on darker scenes that Oled can't.
I work in TV's And I have a setup with a 65x95L And 65a80L next to each other playing the same content,80 percent of the customers prefer the x95L mini LED,due to the brighter highlights,I always show a scene with a chandelier And black background the Oled black level is almost the same as the x95L but the chandelier is brighter on the mini LED but dull on the a80L, again customer prefer the x95L.
The bravia 7 and 9 are Evan better And it's the way forward,I personally dumping Oled for mini LEDs, so are a lot off my colleagues who already own Oleds , Sony XR processor And backlight control is what makes these models different
Yeah i agree with u. My family all into high tech, they think LED are more premium than WOLED.
U8N has 3X contrast ratio of Bravia 7, n 1.5X contrast ratio of x95L. N 2X native contrast of x95L. Color volume Matching Samsung S95C. This year will be interesting :)
B9 is for specific use case. But paying flagshi. Explain that.
Bravia 9 is best in brightness in Sony lineup