Strange Failed MLB Relocations…
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- The MLB has had numerous teams relocate throughout its history. Today I wanted to share a brief history of some of the teams that relocated and some relocations that had failed.
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"Whitney" Ford? OK, youre done.
😂😂
Only a HOFer. Makes the rest of this content just sus.
Yep, immediate video stop.
Whitney Ford wtf lol 🤣
Don't call me "Whitney" AI!
Man, the history is interesting, but this guy has a way of absolutely mangling the pronunciation of every proper noun he’s ever encountered.
Yeah, it’s Puh-TOW-mick, not POH-tuh-mick
@@caldadextra2063 and it's not "ROO-ther-ford".
@@Kiddman32Raleigh he called Riley also.
Whitney Ford instead of Whitey Ford.
And who tf is whitney ford?
As a Northern Virginia native, it hurts so hard to hear the word Potomac pronounced as "Pot O Mack". It's pronounced "Puh Toe Mick"
Just before that we got the gem "East Rootherford"...
I'm pretty sure most people around the country know it's Puh toe mick, this guy just pronounced places wrong
What bothers me is that he spent so much time researching the facts about these moves but didn't take the few minutes necessary to make sure he was pronouncing these names correctly. It would be different if the three words were unusual, but any baseball fan should know it's Whitey, not Whitney, and anyone who knows anything about American history should know how to pronounce Potomac.
Had there been a team in Northern Virginia, they would have been called the Virginia Fury!
Whitney Ford
The Minnesota Twins almost relocated to North Carolina in 1998. There was a public referendum for a ballpark that failed, so the buyer backed out. They were also almost contracted in 2001.
What if??? What if they contract the Oakland A's??????????
It failed miserably tough luck Carolina
The MLB players union also stopped contraction of the Twins and Expos
I don't think the Twins were ever specifically picked for contraction. As I remember it, the idea of contracting two teams was considered, but the idea was dropped before any official discussion of which two teams they would be.
The Expos were an obvious choice, but there were a couple other options besides the Twins for the second choice. The Twins were just the most common second pick among the analysts.
@Compucles the Twins were picked because the little independent baseball team next door in St. Paul were drawing more fans to their games than the Twins.
Alternative title: history of the Chicago white sox
When the Giants were in danger of moving, fans brought signs urging the Giants to stay. There was a front page photo in the San Francisco Chronicle of a cute kid almost in tears, holding a sign at a game. That kid was aa 5 year old Brandon Crawford, who would go on to play for the Giants.
I remember going to what everyone thought was going to be the last Giants game in San Francisco that season. When the last out was made many of the players came out to wave goodbye. I still have the baseball card that Will Clark signed for me that day.
Ironically, the Athletics gave the Giants the market of San Jose to help convince them to stay, which has now come back to bite them hard and with no return help now being offered by the Giants.
Yeah, screw the Giants for not returning the favor for the A’s.
I remember the ads in a Tampa newspaper that said “Give Tampa Bay a Giant Thumbs up” with a baseball glove with a thumbs up. Then when it didn’t happen they had the glove with a middle finger up saying “Tampa Bay salutes Major League Baseball!”
@1:15 did you say "whitney" ford?
Whitey*
I heard Whitney. I ran it back, heard it again.
He said Whitney
I heard witty. I think he just doesn’t know how to pronounce Whitey. It’s white, like the color. It’s understandable that you might now know how to pronounce the name of a hall of fame pitcher, it’s not like you’re a baseball related channel….oh wait.
Reminds me of the famous singer, Whitey Houston...
In the 1960's, there was confirmed rumors about the Cleveland Indians moving to New Orleans.
The Giants almost moved to Minneapolis. Walter O'Malley, the Dodgers owner, called Giants owner Horace Stoneham and suggested he move to San Francisco to keep the rivalry alive.
Thanks for beating me to this, because I was about to post the same comment content on it. 👍
The Giants were already leaving regardless of what the Dodgers did. But I doubt MLB would have wanted only one team on the West Coast at a time when MLB ended at St. Louis and DC. (Atlanta was its first foray into the Southeast.)
@@AEMoreira81 You're correct on that point. MLB *only* agreed to let the Dodgers move to the west coast once O'Malley convinced Stoneham and the Giants to come with them.
I'm glad that the Giants didn't relocate to Toronto. We ended getting the expansion Blue Jays, and got a whole bunch of players that ingratiated themselves with Toronto, and ended up drafting well, and having a great farm system that served us very well for over a decade.
i wanted to please astros relocate to toronto instead of american league.
In 1977 or 78 the A’s nearly relocated to Denver. I remember having a baseball season preview magazine where they were referred to the “Denver A’s”.
They’ve had numerous planned relocations, enough for a full video
The oilman Marvin Davis was going to buy them. He was going to call them the Denver Orange Sox.
@@StrikeZoneMedia most unstable professional sports team in the US.
What if??? What if the A's relocated to Denver in 1978??????????
They nearly moved to New Orleans too.
You forgot the A's and White Sox also considered New Orleans, and the Indians seriously considered a plan to play 30 games a year in New Orleans when the Superdome opened.
In the early 90s the Seattle Mariners had a potential deal to play half their home games in Vancouver
You missed a couple of interesting ones:
-1941: the St Louis Browns were all set to have a vote and announce their relocation to LA for the 1942 season. Then Pearl Harbor happened and it was called off.
-1952: St Louis Browns ask to move to Milwaukee, but the Braves veto the deal
-Early 1960s: Reds considered moving to San Diego, but got a stadium in Cincy
-1985: Pittsburgh Pirates almost leave for Florida after the cocaine scandal
You missed one: the Padres tried to relocate to Washington in time for the 1974 season, but I think that was when Ray Kroc bought the team from the NL and kept the team in SD
@@farpointgamingdirect he covered that one. But that is a fascinating story. It was signed and sealed...then Kroc said no
Literally the day after.
Wait...so the Pirates had a Cocaine scandal in the 80's...and their solution was potentially to *go to Florida*??? Where cocaine flowed practically like water in those days???
@@farpointgamingdirect I had some of those "Washington / Nat'l Lea" baseball cards 😂
Your pronunciation is worse than my GPS! 😁
The Padres almost moved to DC in 1974, but Walter O'Malley recruited Ray Kroc to save the team for San Diego.
The proposed uniform for the Washington Stars is located on the club level at Nationals Park.
@@rockvilleraven- That could have caused an issue because at the time, the local ABC station (WMAL, now WJLA) was owned by the Washington Star newspaper. Riggs Bank bought the station two years later and the Star shut down in 1981 (the new owner changed the callsign to his initials).
@@AEMoreira81 Joseph L. Albritton. WUSA got the call letters from when Gannett owned the USA Today Newspaper. They spun off the broadcasting business into Tegna. Before that they were the original WDVM which stood for the District, Virginia and Maryland. There is a Hagerstown, MD station that has those call letters currently and has more local newscasts than any station, they also own WDCW 50 in DC.
Yes, I watched the video, too. Do you have any constructive comments to make?
@@Compucles It wouldn’t have happened anyway because they were 15 years left on the lease in San Diego and Mayor Pete Wilson would have sued prospective DC owner and Giant Food Supermarket CEO Joseph Danzansky for 3 times the purchase price for breaking the lease.
There have been more than 9 MLB teams who have relocated: The original AL Milwaukee Brewers relocated to become the St Louis Browns who relocated to become the Baltimore Orioles; The original AL Baltimore Orioles relocated to NYC to become the Highlanders/Yankees; The Indianapolis Hoosiers of the Federal League became the Newark Peppers; the Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee then Atlanta; the Philadelphia Athletics moved to KC then Oakland with an upcoming move to Las Vegas in progress; The part of the original NL Baltimore Orioles became the Brooklyn Dodgers who then moved to LA, and the rest merged with the NY Giants who then moved to SF; the original AL Senators moved and became the Twins, while the expansion era Senators became the Rangers after the move to Texas; the Seattle Pilots became the new AL Milwaukee Brewers in 1970; and the Expos moved to DC and became the Nationals. That makes 11 relocations
Current Yankees - 1
Braves - 2
Current Orioles - 2
Current Brewers - 1
Current A's - 2
NYC-->CA teams - 2
Both Senators - 2
Nationals - 1
That is 13.
I'm not sure Federal League counts.
I'm not sure the folding NL Orioles count either, if those players went to existing teams. The Cleveland Spiders folded too, right? (Side note - If the Indians had to be renamed, it should have been to the Spiders)
White Sox used to be the St Paul Saints
It is interesting that the White Sox have considered leaving Chicago many times due to the Cubs being so popular.
And that was before the Cubs got Harry Caray. He was with the White Sox before that. When the Cubs got bought by the Tribune with their national "superstation," Harry knew that if he stayed with Channel 32 on the South Side, he'd be "Harry Who?" The Cubs' growth was going to happen without him, but he made it much bigger that it would have been. Aside from actually moving, the Cubs having that 1984 Playoff season right after the White Sox' 1983 Playoff season was the worst thing that could have happened to the White Sox and their fans. The White Sox haven't had the higher attendance in any season since, not even after they beat the Cubs to the goal of winning the World Series.
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Solution to criticism: Nowadays it is super easy to find a pronunciation for something you are not positive about. If you Google the proper name and "pronunciation" you will get a video or audio clip demonstrating the proper way or ways to say it.
We ought not mispronounce names in a day and age where all it takes is less than a minute of typing and listening to learn forever.
I loved the content, B-roll, tone, structure, and storytelling approach. 😊
Who the fuck was Whitney Ford?
Whitey Ford's lesser known identical twin brother who sometimes filled in for him when he was too hungover.
@@felixmarvin1199😂😂
@@felixmarvin1199 also filled in with him after getting hit by pretzels!
Pot-o-mac? NO. Po-toe-mac.
Pot-O-Mac? McDonald's is selling a hemp burger?
Potato po taa toe
Nothing Whitney Ford loved more after a win was a cool glass of Pink Whitey.
Very informative. I had no idea about most of these. MLB could look very different if some of these relocations had happened. Check some of those pronunciations, though. Particularly Rutherford, Raleigh and Potomac.
Interesting presentation. Worth a subscription. Looking forward to seeing more of your content.
The Seattle lawsuit wasn't just because they lost their team. It was mainly because relocating the team after just a year in Seattle broke a promise MLB had made with the city if Seattle agreed to build a new stadium and expand the temporary stadium they were initially using (which Seattle did).
Also, Seattle did not "win" the lawsuit. They agreed to drop the lawsuit in exchange for an expansion team, which as you pointed out became the Seattle Mariners (but 1977 was their first season, not 1976).
Nice video, subscribed
Speaking of the White Sox, the current owner Jerry Reinsdorf, has said the team might move when the current lease with the stadium expires in 6 years. I guess history does repeat. I guess time will tell if they finally do move or not.
The loss of the mention of the St. Louis Browns moving to Los Angeles in 1942 , is perplexing. I believe it got the League’s approval? It almost went through, until a little thing happened. Pearl Harbor.
If that didn’t happen, in 1966, it could have been the Los Angeles Browns in the World Series against a Dodger team of possibly Baltimore? Or a Dodger team of somewhere else? Anyway we have the Baltimore Orioles & the Los Angeles Dodgers today.
just a reminder
Tampa Bay isn’t a city. It’s a region.
St. Petersburg and Tampa are two different cities.
Good video man. I could see the Tampa Bay Rays relocating and Charlotte getting a team.
There were lots of rumors in 1992 of the Seattle Mariners moving to Tampa as well. After an awful season, the team had an ad showing Ken Griffey Jr. wearing a “Tampa Bay” jersey with a tagline that “things could have been worse.”
This channel is underrated
My man, the Yankees’ “Chairman of the board” was not named WhitNey Ford.
You need to edit that BIG TIME.
Interesting stuff.
I like your voice with baseball keep working man
Kinda gay sounding tho
@@tigercap100 only on Tuesdays
White Sox also looked at Tampa Bay. Giants also looked at relocating to San Jose too. Expos also looked at relocation to San Juan Puerto Rico and played games there.
When the Expos played games in PR, they were owned by the league.. Basically used as a traveling circus to see where they could put the team..
I remember watching a Marlins-Expos game on TV that was played in PR. I guess the stadium was somewhere in San Juan, don't really recall
You should have included that the Expos were 'removed' from Montreal, after MLB took ownership of the franchise, and they played their home games in Puerto Rico for a season or two, before the official sale to the Lerner group and their relocation to DC.
They split between San Juan and Montreal
Featured throughout the video is St. Petersburg, Florida. Tampa Bay's of course not a city. In fact in 1980 Pinellas had a greater population than Hillsborough County. The Pinellas peninsula had just as rich of a minor league history as the eastern part of the bay. 730k vs 647k. Most of Sarasota County's 202k population was closer to St. Pete than downtown Tampa. Tampa could have drawn from the 322k in Polk County. Pinellas was the 3rd most populous county in the state. 4th was Tampa's Hillsborough. We are talking about THE coast where Spring Training had lived for decades.
This is during an age when the following metros now with at least 1 sports teams in the Deep South had none:
Charlotte, Nashville, Orlando, Jacksonville, Memphis, Raleigh.
You big old Atlanta with a whopping 3 teams. Then just New Orleans and Miami with 1 franchise each.
Duval with 571k was thinking this way too. They were also counting on the mere 51k in St. Johns and hefty 259k in Volusia County which had the Daytona 500 which was the marquee event in NASCAR, which was regional sport. Not national like baseball, football, and basketball.
You gotta give credit to the various metros in Florida who vied to be Florida's Second City after Miami was awarded the Dolphins in the 1960s. There was a race to acquire a pro franchise to announce your presence to America. At that point the main 2 teams in the state beyond the Dolphins were the Florida Gators and the Florida State Seminoles. This is true well into the 80s when the state only had the Dolphins and hapless Buccaneers. The Gators and Noles could not be relocated from their smaller home counties: Alachua (151k) and Leon (149k), respectively. Ain't that something, the state capital had fewer people than an orange topped blue cesspool off I-75.
please re record La Batts pronounced like baseball bat and Pa toe mak ( the river washington crossed
I live near where the Pilots played. Sicks Stadium is now a hardware store.
The St. Louis Cardinals almost moved to Houston in 1953, but then Gussie Busch bought the team instead to keep them in St. Louis, and the St. Louis Browns instead moved to Baltimore to become the Orioles later that same year.
The thought of Cardinals being in Houston is wild
Good video!
Need the anti trust act for the A’s
But MLB has long had an anti-trust exemption. That wasn't the real reason why Seattle had a case.
There was also a group in Southern California (Inland Empire) that tried to bring the Expos into the San Bernardino/Riverside area. I don’t think it ever got serious, but I read articles about it. Unfortunately I am not able to find the articles anymore…..
I gotta do it... Its Puh-toe-mic 10:21 .... My bad lol fire video 🔥👍
If you do a second one of these, you could add the second expansion Washington Senators looking to move to Buffalo in the early 70's before going to Arlington.
Seattle to Tampa Bay almost happened in 91-92.
Did you say “Riley” instead of Raleigh? I’ve never heard it like that and I cringed when I did hear it…
I will say though, apart from the mispronunciations, it was a very informative video, and I enjoyed it
Ironically, the Giants have the Dodgers to thank in large part for staying in San Francisco. O'Malley knew a move to Tampa would ruin their historic rivalry and used his sway with the owners to get the proposed move voted down.
The Giants also had talks about moving to Buffalo, NY in the early 90's and reviving the "NY Giants" moniker.
Actually, the relocation of the early 1900s Milwaukee Brewers to St. Louis was hardly "devastating", as the American League, self-proclaimed as a "major" league and not necessarily taken seriously by all, had yet to establish its credibility.
In the early 90s rightbas the Biggio-Bagwell era was starting in Houston, the Astros almost moved to Northern Virginia because the owner hated being in the Dome
A lot of teams flirted with Washington before the Expos finally moved in.
Hey bud
My comment, upon me rereading it, seems a bit harsh. You have good content there. Check your pronunciation on the next one! I will be looking forward to seeing it, as I enjoy baseball very much. New sub!
In 1957, the baseball Giants were set to leave New York and originally had eyes on the Twin Cities. They were leaving New York regardless of what the Dodgers did. When the Dodgers decided to move to LA though, the Giants moved further west to San Francisco. The Twin Cities wouldn’t have to wait too long though as Senators 1.0 relocated.
The Expos didn't have attendance problems...the fans refused to go to the games after the players strike...feeling the players and owners were greedy...the refused to support a new stadium build...and because the players and owners are greedy they left...Montreal always supported baseball major and minor
Having to sell off talent on the cheap is what started it…in 1995 spring training, Marquis Grissom, Ken Hill, Larry Walker, and John Wetteland were all traded). Their last major star, Pedro Martinez, was traded after the 1997 season.
Then why was their attendance at the ballpark they supposedly wanted to keep supporting so absolutely horrible and so much worse than any other team in the early 2000s? They were drawing similar attendance figures to what the Athletics draw now.
Besides, MLB attendance had recovered from the strike by that point.
@@Compucles it was a boycott...that's different than bad attendance...it was a protest against the owner and the players...the rest of the league may have gotten back to normal...but Quebec isn't the rest of the league...and as a result Montreal lost baseball...l don't know if it was a good thing or a bad thing but thats what happened
@@johndcornell6341 Then it was their own fault they lost the team if thousands of fans were stupid enough to make the Expos' financial situation even worse.
@@Compucles l never said no fans wasn't the reason the Expos moved...Montreal's not a run down dying city like Oakland...it was a fan boycott and they lost the team because of it...but also they didn't give away billions of tax dollars to a billionaire baseball owner...so was it stupid??? Ask them...I'm American lol
The Chicago White Sox stadium is a white elephant. Instead of building that thing they should have done a Fenway-style renovation of Comiskey. But all is not lost. Nowadays, they could build a 40,000 seat stadium adjacent to a cornfield in one of the far northwest suburbs of Chicago and give it a "Field of Dreams" vibe.
For the Expos you forgot San Juan, Puerto Rico as an option. They even played a third of their home games there their last 2 years
The NJ expos makes no sense, the state already had 3 fan bases, Yankees, mets and phillies
I wonder if the Mets and/or Yankees would have objected claiming territorial rights
Then again, the NHL has 3 teams in the NY metro area, so who knows?
The NYC market is large enough to theoretically support 3 MLB teams. It has 3 NHL teams.
Ray Lee, NC?
Sorry to add to the nitpicking, but it’s just “MLB”, not “The MLB”.
Wow I remember like 10 years ago the Rays wanted to move to New Jersey or Connecticut
That's right. They wanted to merge them with the Marlins and move them to NJ.
If the Braves had the attendance to prosper in Boston as the Aaron/Matthews/Spahn core was about to blossom. The Ted Williams less Red Sox would've moved to San Diego in 1961 to begin a rivalry with the Angels.
The urban legend is that when La Batts Breweries finally got the Blue Jays, they were hoping that everyone would shorten the team's name to "The Blues", reminding everyone of their most popular brand of beer, La Batts Blue. Unfortunately for them, everyone instead shortened the team's name to "The Jays".
Reinsdorf needs to sell, but I wouldnt be suprised if the team eventually relocates. Most people i know are Cubs fans, and white sox fans these days are mostly legacy fans, ie their family rooted for them.
Its a dying franchise. I could see them moving to NC or Salt Lake City, since Jerry isn't getting the brand new stadium he asked the city for.
Chicago is the number 3 market in the country. I can’t see MLB wanting to abandon Chicago AL.
These cities are going to have to get going on new ballparks right now if the White Sox are going to move there in 2029
It is pronounced East Rutherford, not East Rootherford.
I pronounce stuff oddly too so it didn't bother me.
And Raleigh is not Riley, its (Rah)-lee.
Angry about how someone talks😢😢
And it's Whitey Ford, not Whitney Ford.
And it's Labatt's, not Labott's.
When the A's move I'm switching. My dad won't.
Damn that Whitney Ford
The White Sox played home games in Milwaukee in 1968-1969. It wasn't four years, it was four months practically when the Pilots moved to Milwaukee
Alexandria is a part of Metro DC, and if the Expos had ended up at Potomac Yard instead of Navy Yard on the Anacostia River they still would have been the Washington Nationals and still likely would have spent time at RFK waiting for their own ballpark.
The Potomac Yards site was also eyed by Jack Kent Cooke for a new Redskins Stadium and recently by Caps/Wizards owner Ted Leonsis for a new Arena site. When Leonsis couldn’t get a deal done there, he came crawling back to Washington, DC and Mayor Bowsers $515 million dollars Capital One Arena renovation deal.
Actually, the first American league team to move was the Baltimore Orioles to New York to become the Yankees.
"Three way trade"- The Pilots moved in 1970. The Chicago A's; Seattle White Sox deal was 1975
Wow, the pronunciation in this video is something special
There’s talk now about an expansion team in Montreal.
St. Louis Cardnials almost moved to Houston Tx
You left out a Minnesota Twins to Virginia but Target Field was built. Angeles to Long Beach not a major but worth mentioning. The Cards to East St Louis in Illinois.
Cards to East St. Louis. Can you imagine what a disaster that would have been?
The Giants were originally going to move to Minneapolis, but Walter O'Malley talked them into moving to San Francisco instead, to keep the rivalry alive.
It's Whitey Ford. Whitney was a singer.
Also missed the Expos flirting with a move to San Juan - they actually split their time between Montreal’s Olympic Stadium and San Juan’ Hiram Bithorn Stadium in both the 2003 and 2004 seasons!
Tampa was willing to do anything, except build a decent stadium.
For the 3 way team swap, why didn’t the owners just swap teams instead of teams swapping cities? That happened in the NFL with Colts and Rams.
Where do you think the Oakland Athletic's are going to relocate too?
San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Nashville, Charlotte, Montreal, Salt Lake City, Vancouver, Orlando, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Austin, Buffalo, Louisville, Portland, etc. etc. etc.
(That's 14 options they can choose from lol)
You forgot the Twins almost moved to Greensboro, NC.
You need a metropolitan area of MINIMUM 4 million people to be able to support an MLB franchise. Otherwise you have no income from a thriving corporate sector or a worthwhile local tv deal.
The days of the RSN are slowly dying. That leaves the corporate base. If Salt Lake City gets an MLB team in expansion, it would likely be on free TV (Jazz and the upcoming Utah NHL team will be on over the air TV). Many of the former Bally Sports teams are now broadcast online only (free in the former broadcast area).
Wrong, there are quite a few teams with less than 4M or even less than 3M in their MSAs.
The original senators wanted to move to LA in the early 50's.
The Seattle Mariners nearly came close to relocating to Tampa Bay.
Chuck Finley, then owner of the Oakland Athletics, was condering moving his from Kansas City to Louisville, Kentucky to rename them the Kentucky Colonels. Je also considered moving to New Orleans, Dallas, and Srattle before settling in Oakland. Subsequently, he intended to sell the team to a businessman, Marvin Davis, whose intention was to move the team Denver, but the city of Oakland would not let him out of the lease of the coliseum after lising the Raiders.
You need to practice proofreading.
He also had a plan to move to Chicago if the White Sox had moved to Seattle.
Re; Kentucky Colonels, wonder if that was before the (short-lived) ABA team of the same name
There is no such thing as "the MLB."
😂😂😂 Whitney Ford huh? Oh man. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Whitey Ford, not Whitney.
Somehow the Potomac Yards site in Alexandria both gets butchered and a picture of Georgetown Waterfront Park, which is miles away and not even in Virginia, is used
There were 3 attempts to build stadiums and arenas on that site, in 1992 Jack Kent Cooke tried to bully a new Redskins Stadium which failed, then Bill Collin’s wanted it as part of Northern Virginia effort to get an expansion team MLB which Tampa Bay and Arizona got teams and recently Ted Leonsis tried to build a new arena there for the Wizards and Caps there and came crawling back DC and the renovation deal for Capital One Arena.
The padres to dc would’ve been crazy😂
Forgot about Puerto Rico for the Expos.
Toronto WOULD get their team the next year via expansion but it was all thanks to Ewing Kaufmanns wife who was a Toronto native
The Chicago White Sox are supposed to move to Mexico City Mexico if they are sold within a few years.
The central jersey metro would be a sick spot for an MLB team. Call them the "hub city punks" or something
The 1902 Milwaukee Brewers??? Did I hear that right?
I remember when the Pirates almost moved to Sacramento
Whitney Ford? Sheez
The Red Sox were about to leave Boston in the 1960s. Winning the pennant in 1967 put an end to that plan.
Raleigh is pronounced “Rah Lee.” Apart from the mispronunciations, overall great video!
Never should have moved the Dodgers