I don’t like the presumption in his voice but I respect that that’s who he is. I normally listen Mon am only but here’s hats off to a knowledgeable source.
Yo Joel! Big fan! I’m a Naval aviation search and rescue crewman. All aircraft must be under a certain gross weight for their landing gear so, burning fuel is the safest way to ensure your landing gear doesn’t collapse. I’ve seen jets dump fuel in emergencies to get back on deck of air craft carriers. Your pilots did a fine job during an in flight emergency and I’m happy you guys are safe. Any landing you can walk away from is a success. Have a great day man!
Why would the landing gear be at a greater risk of collapsing in a case where they didn't retract after takeoff? Is it because of the tires' exposure to high wind or something?
@@-Hesco I don't think you understand my point. When the plane took off, it had a certain amount of fuel. The landing gear were supposed to retract. Assume the landing gear had retracted. In that case, the pilot presumably would not have flown circles and would have just landed. But, in that scenario, no extra fuel would have been burned, and the landing gear would not have been damaged upon landing. Why was there a greater need to burn fuel simply because the landing gear didn't retract after takeoff?
@@jbjohnson4728if the landing gear had retracted they wouldn’t have had a issue and wouldn’t have landed back at Chicago. If they wanted to land at Chicago and the gear went up they would still have to burn fuel.
Speaking as a Michigan fan, I wasn't all that surprised. they have some serious issues. Giving up 34 points in the n4th quarter in the last two games is a huge red flag.
I’m a Buckeyes fan, but I just don’t understand how y’all dropped 14 spots but bama only dropped 6 and Tennessee only dropped 4. I understand Washington beat you guys, but your other loss is to Texas who is the current number 1 team in the country
@@Peekih24sec bias is STRONG. I remember 2 current big ten teams winning their playoff games and meeting in the the championship game? That happened right? When we had the all SEC championships everyone screamed about how every sec team is better then anyone else in the nation etc etc....
This is what happens when you lean towards spread offenses. You have to waste all kinds of time and scholarships on offensive players, and the defense takes a backseat. Who would’ve thought the SEC would want to leave the play style that made us dominate everyone in favor of following the crowd with the spread type offenses. Smh
Texas is the most complete team offense, defense, and special teams. I fully believe it will be #1 Texas vs #2 Ohio State in the natty. Regardless who wins rematch week 2 next year in Columbus. Epic story line 😎
but I thought the NIL, conference realignment, transfer portals, and the 12 team playoffs would RUIN the game? After a full day of football on Saturday, I'm incredibly bored on Sundays. College Football is now the supreme source of excitement for football...the NFL just can't match.
As a commercial aircraft mechanic for 37 years I believe I’m qualified to answer the overweight landing issue. Many of today’s large capacity aircraft carry all or the majority of their fuel in the wings and center of the structure. Most can carry the equivalent of the aircraft’s dry/empty weight in fuel load. All aircraft have a maximum weight limit for flight and landing. We’ve all seen wing flex when looking out a window. I’ve done plenty of inspections due to unusual conditions such as overweight landings. Some but not all aircraft can dump fuel overboard while flying. Most aviators use this as a last resort because of environmental concerns. Your crew handled it well. Apparently there were no emergency concerns they just had to get below the maximum fuel load for landing.
Why did they have to burn fuel simply because the landing gear didn't retract? They knew how long they had to fly before the flight and presumably knew how much fuel they would burn. Joel suggested that the flight was as long; I don't think they flew less. Did they fly slower because the landing gear were down? Did flying w/ the landing gear down make it more likely that the landing gear would fail upon landing?
Lifelong Bama fan. Let's not denigrate Vandy's win. The coaching staff prepared an excellent game plan. The players executed that plan to near perfection. Bama appeared to have a plan of let's score points and hope for some takeaways! THAT DOG AIN'T GOING TO HUNT ROUND HERE!
Haha, fair enough. Bama wins that game more times than not; that 4th and 1 Vandy TD was INSANE. That's not a thing Vandy could have counted on or that they can necessarily ever count on again. Fling it around is a best of times worst of times approach to playing football. :) To their credit though, Vandy and their QB went all out on winning that game.
@@brettrobertson2538 I mean do you know what denigrate means? He was asking for Joel to speak higher of Vanderbilt and that they put a whooping on our tide .
@@JoeKoors lol nah. Vandy just beat us. Forget hyping vandy. Of you watched the game they ran all over us. I've seen issues with Bama all year. Sucks it happened with Vandy but the writing was on the wall. I still think Vandy is an average team. I think Joel is right that bama has a high powered offense with a bad defense. My only other criticism is that our offense is not as dangerous if they can't get chunk plays. So no I'm not hyping vandy, but I will always respect how they won
@@Michigan_Spyglasses No genius I'm talking about the propaganda put out by ESPN manipulating narratives to make every think the SEC is "gauntlet" so u can get beat by anyone. The truth is Bama & UGA just aren't as good as propped up to be. But the narrative is Vandy & UK are just vry tough outs
Yeah goergia at 3 is only possible if your holding onto the antiquated "sec is best" argument. The current sec teams all lost in the playoffs last year and we saw a championship game played by 2 current big ten teams. It's pretty clear that the big ten is undersold and the sec is overpriced.
@@inflameswetrust2194one year doesn't meant much the last 25 years has been dominated by sec Big 12 acc and oac 12 have similar amount of championships with Big ten last 25 years
eh, now that we see Clemson can hit another gear as a top-10 team, that win looks good. Plus how many teams fall down 28-0 on the road to Alabama and make it a one score game. Kentucky's defense is also legit(giving up 13 ppg including a 31 point game to South Carolina)
Michigan are cheaters and late 3 years should be forfeits. Also, it’s too early to know whose the best team. All rankings are stupid until week 10. Remember BC beating FSU and being Ranked lol. Texas is good but got a bunch smog credit for beating an average UM team that could be 2-4 if it wasn’t for a blown call by refs and Lincoln Riley bad clock management.
@JoellKlatt pilot here: the landing weight and takeoff weights are different pretty often. Landing puts more stress on the aircraft than taking off so the weight for landing will usually be less than takeoff weight. Flying a holding pattern to burn fuel and get down to landing weight is pretty common in situations that the pilots have to land earlier than planned. Not a big deal at all hope that helps! Love the show!
@@jbjohnson4728 The original scheduled flight as Joel Klatt said was from Chicago to LA. Which is 1,700 miles at top cruising speed of approximately 450 mph for 4 1/2 hours. That burns a lot of fuel. Since the landing gear didn't retract they chose not to fly to LA and circled around the Chicago area to burn off some of the fuel. An airliner cannot fly at its full cruising speed with its landing gear down; doing so would significantly increase drag and put excessive stress on the landing gear, making it unsafe and significantly reducing the aircraft's speed due to the added aerodynamic resistance; pilots typically only lower the landing gear at much slower speeds during the final approach to landing
Yeah I was curious to see the impact of the portal on top of NIL. It changes motivations completely. It used to be that you were blessed to get the scholarship and have hope for the league. Now players are making more money than they know what to do with and have scholarships. It's hard to get players to buy in when you give them the world already. There's nothing to work for. Parity seems to be back in college football.
Something else is that the transfer portal is allowing 2nd and 3rd year former 4 star guys who aren’t playing yet at a place like Bama go somewhere they can be an immediate starter at. The transfer portal is dispersing talent throughout the country more becuase players are not locked into where they committed to with harsh penalties on their career if they leave.
Transfer portal has leveled the field and it's starting to show at places like Alabama. Also, If Nick Sabin went to Penn State in 2006 the big 10 would have 13 of the last 18 national championships. He made a difference in the SEC.
The SEC bias is real. The only conference when their teams lose, they win in the polls. If any other team would have lost to Vanderbilt or Arkansas they would have a free fall in the polls. The Canes win on the road and they get jumped by a one loss team that looked average against Florida state. Ok!!! 😬
@@Peekih24and I'm a buckeye fan who remembers ohio state beating Purdue on a last second touchdown 9-6, then went on to beat an unbeatable Miami team in 2003. Cam Ward is willing Miami to victories and we gotta respect that until it's proven he can lose. The guys a magician and it hurts that we almost had him transfer to us. Imagine cam ward with tosu's team around him Honestly i think miami would beat goergia and alabama on a nuetral feild.
Former aircraft mechanic. If there’s a landing gear issue as a precaution they want to reduce the amount of stress/weight on the aircraft during landing. They CAN dump fuel but that can be a hazmat issue and require a cleanup. Easier to just fly in circles to burn fuel. Doesn’t hurt anymore and it’s just an extra 20-30 minutes to do so.
Josh Pate mentioned your landing issue on his show...good friend! Two of the classiest men in the CFB industry. Glad you're safe! Love and blessings to you and yours Joel 🙏
Can't wait for Joel to come up with a dozen reasons why Alabama is actually the best team ever when the playoff comes around and acts like losing to Vandy didn't happen
SEC bias man. I’m an Ohio State fan and I hate TTUN with a passion, but I just don’t understand how they drop 14 spots to Washington. Especially since Washington was favored to win.
WA was the betting favorite over Michigan, so it wasn't as big as surprise to those that have been paying attention to onfield performance of both teams. Michigan's ranking was too high and WA wasn't ranked at all, due to losing a couple of games in which they outplayed opponents but lost on last play of the game due to self-inflicted mistakes (too many penalties and missed FG's).
Hi Joel. Love the show! Yes, an airplane has a max landing weight that may be less than the max takeoff weight. Landing overweight could cause the landing gear to snap do to the force from the touch down.
I feel better about this loss than the win vs Minnesota. Minnesota felt lucky, this UW game the offense found an identity and actually moved the ball. In the end UW just made some great defensive plays!
As a UW fan I hated seeing Orji get replaced because in the end I want each player to have their opportunity. Tuttle was in a tough position. Loved that it was a clean game for the most part. Go Dawgs. Go Big Blue
The landing weight for the landing gear was a good straight by the pilot. If there was a landing gear issue, that means there could be a hydraulic which means you want to take out as many variables as possible in order to make a safe landing. The less weight on the plane means the less pressure on that hydraulic landing gear which means less of a possibility of the gear bottoming out and causing a skid, or worse a crash.
Crazy how in the beginning of the season, Ohio State and Oregon were both getting questioned as tier 1 teams… Now it’s clear that they both are, and now they will meet in Eugene as the 2 and 3-seed respectively. What a game that’s going to be. O-H
Wife is a flight attendant and she echoed what bigtimber said. Basically no reason to risk a landing overweight (which is a risk), and you stay around the departing airport in case of an emergency. Plus if there are mechanical issues you don’t want to just try to continue the flight in case there are more. Love the show!
I hated losing Kalen DeBoer as a Washington fan but It was a BREATH of fresh air to get rid of the Defensive staff. Washington has less talent/experience on Defense this year but they still play more consistently. KD is going to have to make some coaching changes on that side of the ball.
Bama has a different defensive staff than Deboer at Washington. The issue I think was more complacency and youth on D. Wommack isn't a bad D coordinator and has had great defenses at both South Alabama and Indiana, just needs time to develop players.
@@drm2364 That's true, but it all depends on factors we really don't know. Things like team chemistry, youth, and underestimating your opponent can absolutely cause games like these. We'll have to see how they perform 4-5 games down the road.
We kind of knew Michigan offensively might be a mess this year given the QB situation and lack of talent at WR, but there is something fundamentally wrong with Michigan schematically and in terms of preparation on defense. Yes, we lost depth, but the fact we are playing as badly as we are when the defense was supposed to be the strength of this team points to a coaching issue. DC Martindale is failing, and the defensive secondary coach is as well. Both should be fired.
Sherrone Moore is mediocre at best. He got credit for babysitting in Harbaugh's absence last year and was given credit for the wins. He's not qualified to be head coach.
@@snapper_slapper harbaugh won 10 games his first year after michigan had won 10 games once in the previous 8 seasons. michigan is coming off a national championship and 3 straight playoff appearances - they should be more competitive
I’m a jet engine mechanic on the kc-135for the military, which is a Boeing 707 airframe, and the main concern is not a big explosion. The primary concern is landing gear failure because the aircraft is so heavy. When the aircraft is that heavy, the nose landing gear could collapse if the pilots don’t land perfectly because that gear isn’t made to take a bunch of weight. By far the easiest way to solve this is to just fly around and burn all of that extra weight. The other thing, and this is more of a guess, is that the extra weight in the wings, because that’s were most fuel tanks are stored in heavy aircraft, could cause structural failure if a hard landing occurred. That’s more speculation though as I have no experience with the structural integrity of an aircraft
One of the big differences that this year is going to have and going forward is that the goal for the top teams is always the national championship and in the past a week like this might have ended the dream for these teams but with a 12 team playoff it’s more like the NFL And you can lose one or maybe even two games and still get in and as you said if the failure is causing you to improve, there is still a future
And if Oregon wins, they should be 1. After seeing michigan and Washington beat up Texas and alabama last year I think the big tens earned some credit and should probably be favored until the facts tell us otherwise.
It’s more safety Joel because if you land overweight your brakes aren’t going to slow you down before the end of the runway. Or they might get too hot and be a safety hazard. If they desperately had to land they would but if nothing else is emergently happening then that’s standard procedure
Man, I absolutely love your analysis. Why do I now look forward to Mondays after a weekend of college football… Joel Klatt, that’s why. You are by far the best. No, don’t coach, although you would probably be great at it, but if you did that, there’d be a cavernous hole to fill by these other guys who aren’t as good as you. Stay with us here, please. 🙏🏾
It’s the Road Games, Roadies!?! ‘Lord I was born a traveling man!’ ‘ Homeless?’ ‘Away from home? ‘ As an architect of the Superconferences, increased number of games, and the expanded playoffs, Mr. Klatt dismissed right away the most salient factor in these ‘upsets.’ Travel and road games are tough on anyone, including 18-24 year old football players who attend university full time. Klatt may not want to admit the effect of travel on his life but any one who travels, especially cross-country with avlarge group, even if on Air Force One, knows that being away from home takes a significant emotional toll on health, relationships, and work.
Burning fuel: Im sure enough other people have said similar things but... First, there is a difference between what is possible versus what is safest... obviously, if a pilot HAS to put the plane on the ground with a full load of fuel, they can, but it will likely result in damage or just a very much higher risk than is needed for a situation like you were in where they could go the safer route. Second, just because they lower the overall weight of the aircraft, it is no where near empty, if you are in a situation where there could be a fire on landing, it wouldnt make that much of a difference, some, but it is NOT part of the consideration. Long story short, your United Airlines pilots followed procedure to remove as many risks as possible to safely and professionally get you and everyone else on the ground... Thats all.
In 2014, Ohio State lost their starting QB (Braxton Miller) in training camp. They lost to VT in week 2, then on to win the B1G, and beat Bama & Oregon to win the title as the 4 seed, in the first college football playoff. If that can happen a decade ago under the old format, 1-loss in a 12 team format is going to become the norm. Conference realignment turned the B1G and SEC into a gauntlet.
Joel, are you kidding? Tennessee had never beaten Nick Saban in his tenure at Bama. In 2022 that was 15 years. Vanderbilt hadn’t beaten Bama period in the modern era. And never beaten #1,2,3,4,or 5. And you wonder why goalposts end up in the river? You might want to check if there are other things that used to be in the stadium that are missing. lol. Good show today as usual.
Michigan has a lot of issues . A LOT. But the most unforgivable is fhe defensive coordinator . His schemin and play calling is literally atrocious. I can’t fathom why sherrone Moore, who should absolutely know better , has not sat down with wink and swatted him with a newspaper . This dog must learn new tricks or go back to the pound . There is literally jv teams that play more disciplined and schematically sound ball . Go blue 🤷♂️
Kirk Campbell is equally egregious. Both better be gone before next season. You live and learn, but hey, Jim Harbaugh sold out on Don Brown at one point in time.
Vandy outplayed and outcoached Bama. As a Sooner, our schedule is looking more optimistic just in one day. Rankings should shift massively early season bc they are based on nothing.
The lesser team getting an epic or otherwise unexpected win may be the best thing about CFB. The look on Diego Pavias’ face and his happiness Sat. was worth seeing number one go down to an historic basement dweller. Congrats. to Clark Lea and Vanderbilt. My team, Tennessee went down at Arkansas, and MIZZOU has struggled in several games. Not sure that was an upset. Alabama and Tennessee will overcome their losses, but doubtful Vandy will EVER duplicate what it did Saturday., Oct. 5, 2024.
Hey Joel, first, love your show! Air Force Pilot here, and yes, maximum recommended landing weight is a thing. Most large aircraft when fully fueled are too heavy to land after takeoff otherwise it could cause damage to the landing gear and airframe, so they wouldn't land right away unless there was some other issue more serious such as somebody in immediate need of medical attention or an engine fire. Hope that helps! Go Blue and Go Buffs!
How did michigan "cheat" against Penn state on the road, Maryland on the road, Ohio state, Iowa in the big ten championship, Bama in the rose bowl, or Washington in the title game last year? Please enlighten all of us, because rn it just sounds like major cope
Nd loses to niu. Community bashes us. But what abt vandy?What bout Arkansas, what about Minnesota? This is one of the worst losses in the sports history. And you drop them to 7??? And we get dropped to 16.
Nico should have started last year over milton, he looked like a deer in front of headlights. Our oline isn’t as good as it needs to be and playcalling is too conservative. Let nico play some ball, the talent is there! That play where he rolled to his left was immaculate! We gotta let him make some more mistakes this year to take the next step next season.
@@GoatedAtNFS i didnt overhype anything, he only played one game last season. I was very concerned with their offense and oline all year, and lack of wanting Nico to get some more snaps cuz seniority of joe milton
You said Jalen milroe was a heisman candidate…..he sucks……yes his stats are good on paper, but if you’d actually watch the game with unbiased eyes you’d see that he’s basically a repackaged black sims…..he can’t read a defense, he panics in the pocket, and he doesn’t know how to go through read progressions, if it wasn’t for number 2, this team would be unwatchable……but he sure can run…….you really get to see just how good a coach Nick saban was now
Hey Joel big fan man. I’ve been through flight school and yes you have a gross takeoff weight and a gross landing weight. They are different for each aircraft and are calculated prior to every flight using mathematical formulas. You calculate so that the landing weight will be within specification by the time you reach your destination due to fuel burn-off. Since your flight had an emergency and could not complete the flight, it did not have the time to burn off the fuel and get the plane within landing weight specification so the pilots had to fly around in the holding pattern to burn it off to shed the weight to get it within spec. Now if it had been a more serious emergency where they had to land immediately. You can do it it is just not ideal and raises the risk of a bad landing where the gear is damaged or even possibly collapses. Because the emergency was not that serious it made no sense for the pilots to risk that. So they made the correct decision and did a good job. It sucks as the passenger when things like that happen but it is for the safety of everyone on board that the pilots made that decision.
Hey Joel love watching your shows. I did 11 plus years in avionics and have been around numerous aircraft. Three reason they had to burn fuel is because when the plane is heavier it takes more runway to land. So they will burn the fuel on purpose to make the plane lighter for a shorter runway distance to land. It is standard procedure for this to happen. The pilots did a great job in this situation.
Yes planes need to be a certain weight or they will not be able to stop in time on the runway. They still have enough fuel for the landing and a go around after burning it. In cases of an emergency after takeoff when they are fully loaded they can straight up dump fuel out the plane onto the ground.
So, when the buckeyes lose and if they lose a game, are they going to get the same treatment as, bama and Georgia, and only drop one or spots??? I hope so, because look at how bama fell few spots to an un ranked opponent. If the buckeyes lose to a duck, and a top 5 ranked duck, they’d better only fall 2-3 spots
Hey Joel! As a Michigan fan, I can tell you what’s wrong with Michigans defense in the 4th quarter. Wink Martindale is just a horrible defensive coordinator and doesn’t know how to call a defense, especially in the 4th quarter. It’s embarrassing to watch my team play this horribly on defense, especially because it’s really not the players fault, bc our coordinator isn’t calling good plays
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The most anticipated episode in a while
I don’t like the presumption in his voice but I respect that that’s who he is. I normally listen Mon am only but here’s hats off to a knowledgeable source.
😂😂😂 I don't think I went to sleep waiting for this episode 😂😂
This and watching Colin cowherd in tears trying to spin the USC loss 😂
@@spencerspillman7904 I CAN’T WAIT FOR THAT
As everything was unfolding I got so excited knowing this episode was coming haha
Yo Joel! Big fan! I’m a Naval aviation search and rescue crewman. All aircraft must be under a certain gross weight for their landing gear so, burning fuel is the safest way to ensure your landing gear doesn’t collapse. I’ve seen jets dump fuel in emergencies to get back on deck of air craft carriers. Your pilots did a fine job during an in flight emergency and I’m happy you guys are safe. Any landing you can walk away from is a success. Have a great day man!
Dale yeah hooyah
Why would the landing gear be at a greater risk of collapsing in a case where they didn't retract after takeoff? Is it because of the tires' exposure to high wind or something?
@@jbjohnson4728 the weight of the fuel on landing would've damaged the landing gear.
@@-Hesco I don't think you understand my point. When the plane took off, it had a certain amount of fuel. The landing gear were supposed to retract. Assume the landing gear had retracted. In that case, the pilot presumably would not have flown circles and would have just landed. But, in that scenario, no extra fuel would have been burned, and the landing gear would not have been damaged upon landing. Why was there a greater need to burn fuel simply because the landing gear didn't retract after takeoff?
@@jbjohnson4728if the landing gear had retracted they wouldn’t have had a issue and wouldn’t have landed back at Chicago. If they wanted to land at Chicago and the gear went up they would still have to burn fuel.
This past weekend is what college football is all about.
"It was an epic day" ~Joel Klatt~
People overrated Missouri simply because they beat the 3rd string OSU team in the cotton bowl last year
not true, osu has so many returners.
@@JimothanyJohnson1 but those starters didn’t play in that game because that was before all of them decided to return
@@JimothanyJohnson1 ? 3rd string qb and best player sitting out.
Technically 5th string because Keinholz is behind Howard, sayin, Brown, and air noland now
@@samjensen9351last year he was 3rd string
Speaking as a Michigan fan, I wasn't all that surprised. they have some serious issues. Giving up 34 points in the n4th quarter in the last two games is a huge red flag.
I’m a Buckeyes fan, but I just don’t understand how y’all dropped 14 spots but bama only dropped 6 and Tennessee only dropped 4. I understand Washington beat you guys, but your other loss is to Texas who is the current number 1 team in the country
@@Peekih24same reason USC dropped 15 spots and TN dropped only 4
@@MarkyMark1221 Bro the SEC bias this year is even worse than it’s been
@@Peekih24sec bias is STRONG.
I remember 2 current big ten teams winning their playoff games and meeting in the the championship game? That happened right?
When we had the all SEC championships everyone screamed about how every sec team is better then anyone else in the nation etc etc....
@Peekih24 that's how you get like 6 SEC teams in the playoffs hahaha
Honestly SEC defenses hasn't been that strong for a few years now. There have been multiple 35 plus points scored
This
This is what happens when you lean towards spread offenses. You have to waste all kinds of time and scholarships on offensive players, and the defense takes a backseat. Who would’ve thought the SEC would want to leave the play style that made us dominate everyone in favor of following the crowd with the spread type offenses. Smh
@@Captain_Whiskey right on!
I feel the same way, when I see teams that are average, at best, easily moving the ball on the best teams in The SEC.
Texas is the most complete team offense, defense, and special teams. I fully believe it will be #1 Texas vs #2 Ohio State in the natty. Regardless who wins rematch week 2 next year in Columbus. Epic story line 😎
Last weekend is why we play the games…. Loved every second of it.
but I thought the NIL, conference realignment, transfer portals, and the 12 team playoffs would RUIN the game? After a full day of football on Saturday, I'm incredibly bored on Sundays.
College Football is now the supreme source of excitement for football...the NFL just can't match.
As a commercial aircraft mechanic for 37 years I believe I’m qualified to answer the overweight landing issue. Many of today’s large capacity aircraft carry all or the majority of their fuel in the wings and center of the structure. Most can carry the equivalent of the aircraft’s dry/empty weight in fuel load. All aircraft have a maximum weight limit for flight and landing. We’ve all seen wing flex when looking out a window. I’ve done plenty of inspections due to unusual conditions such as overweight landings. Some but not all aircraft can dump fuel overboard while flying. Most aviators use this as a last resort because of environmental concerns. Your crew handled it well. Apparently there were no emergency concerns they just had to get below the maximum fuel load for landing.
Why did they have to burn fuel simply because the landing gear didn't retract? They knew how long they had to fly before the flight and presumably knew how much fuel they would burn. Joel suggested that the flight was as long; I don't think they flew less. Did they fly slower because the landing gear were down? Did flying w/ the landing gear down make it more likely that the landing gear would fail upon landing?
Lifelong Bama fan. Let's not denigrate Vandy's win. The coaching staff prepared an excellent game plan. The players executed that plan to near perfection. Bama appeared to have a plan of let's score points and hope for some takeaways! THAT DOG AIN'T GOING TO HUNT ROUND HERE!
your defense looked terrible not sure you are talking about
Haha, fair enough. Bama wins that game more times than not; that 4th and 1 Vandy TD was INSANE. That's not a thing Vandy could have counted on or that they can necessarily ever count on again. Fling it around is a best of times worst of times approach to playing football. :) To their credit though, Vandy and their QB went all out on winning that game.
@@brettrobertson2538 I mean do you know what denigrate means? He was asking for Joel to speak higher of Vanderbilt and that they put a whooping on our tide .
always want to hype up the team that beats you because it makes you feel better about losing. but it doesnt work when its vandy
@@JoeKoors lol nah. Vandy just beat us. Forget hyping vandy. Of you watched the game they ran all over us. I've seen issues with Bama all year. Sucks it happened with Vandy but the writing was on the wall. I still think Vandy is an average team. I think Joel is right that bama has a high powered offense with a bad defense. My only other criticism is that our offense is not as dangerous if they can't get chunk plays. So no I'm not hyping vandy, but I will always respect how they won
God I wish this came out at 9, I go into work at 10 🤣
I’m sorry but stop overrating the SEC. SEC teams always get a pass when they lose to bad teams.
ESECPN tax
@@knothyselfknotruth Fox has an ESPN tax?
@@Michigan_Spyglasses No genius I'm talking about the propaganda put out by ESPN manipulating narratives to make every think the SEC is "gauntlet" so u can get beat by anyone. The truth is Bama & UGA just aren't as good as propped up to be. But the narrative is Vandy & UK are just vry tough outs
its tied into the high school recruit rating system.
Clearly Vanderbilt is now a top 10 team; that's how it works.
Georgia at 3 seems high. Lost to Alabama last week, which doesn't look as good. Almost lost to Kentucky.
Yeah goergia at 3 is only possible if your holding onto the antiquated "sec is best" argument.
The current sec teams all lost in the playoffs last year and we saw a championship game played by 2 current big ten teams.
It's pretty clear that the big ten is undersold and the sec is overpriced.
And GA still has road games at TX and Ole Miss
@@inflameswetrust2194one year doesn't meant much the last 25 years has been dominated by sec
Big 12 acc and oac 12 have similar amount of championships with Big ten last 25 years
eh, now that we see Clemson can hit another gear as a top-10 team, that win looks good. Plus how many teams fall down 28-0 on the road to Alabama and make it a one score game. Kentucky's defense is also legit(giving up 13 ppg including a 31 point game to South Carolina)
Michigan are cheaters and late 3 years should be forfeits. Also, it’s too early to know whose the best team. All rankings are stupid until week 10. Remember BC beating FSU and being Ranked lol. Texas is good but got a bunch smog credit for beating an average UM team that could be 2-4 if it wasn’t for a blown call by refs and Lincoln Riley bad clock management.
@JoellKlatt pilot here: the landing weight and takeoff weights are different pretty often. Landing puts more stress on the aircraft than taking off so the weight for landing will usually be less than takeoff weight. Flying a holding pattern to burn fuel and get down to landing weight is pretty common in situations that the pilots have to land earlier than planned. Not a big deal at all hope that helps! Love the show!
Why would they have to land earlier than planned? Didn't he fly the same distance (presumably at a similar speed)?
@@jbjohnson4728 The original scheduled flight as Joel Klatt said was from Chicago to LA. Which is 1,700 miles at top cruising speed of approximately 450 mph for 4 1/2 hours. That burns a lot of fuel. Since the landing gear didn't retract they chose not to fly to LA and circled around the Chicago area to burn off some of the fuel. An airliner cannot fly at its full cruising speed with its landing gear down; doing so would significantly increase drag and put excessive stress on the landing gear, making it unsafe and significantly reducing the aircraft's speed due to the added aerodynamic resistance; pilots typically only lower the landing gear at much slower speeds during the final approach to landing
Correction: The final score in that Michigan-Washington Game was 27-17 Washington, not 24-17.
Ooooooooooh big time detail there 😂
@@bobsmythe9783it is, some people see a team lose by 3 and say they got demolished so points mean something
@@bobsmythe9783 in vegas it is
I predicted at the onset of NIL that this would become increasingly common. NIL at the current financial level deprives coaches of hungry players.
Yeah I was curious to see the impact of the portal on top of NIL. It changes motivations completely. It used to be that you were blessed to get the scholarship and have hope for the league. Now players are making more money than they know what to do with and have scholarships. It's hard to get players to buy in when you give them the world already. There's nothing to work for. Parity seems to be back in college football.
Something else is that the transfer portal is allowing 2nd and 3rd year former 4 star guys who aren’t playing yet at a place like Bama go somewhere they can be an immediate starter at. The transfer portal is dispersing talent throughout the country more becuase players are not locked into where they committed to with harsh penalties on their career if they leave.
Joel Klatt's analysis is always fantastic. Man knows his stuff 🔥🔥🔥
As an ohio state fan, i cant overreact, even if we go beat Oregon in Eugene, in big games for some reason we forget how to play football
I'm very careful about the rat poison. However, I think that coach Day is on a mission this year. The Buckeyes will be ready for every challenge.
Keep those negative waves to yourself, Mr. Happy. Buckeyes gonna roll and move up to No. 1. Go Bucks!
@markgriffin5889 Would love to see a Buckeye-Longhorn matchup soon!
@@benavich8 The Ewers bowl
@@Pappagar Ha -yes! 😊
You said something drastic was going to happen and geeeez you were right!
The SEC hasn’t been playing great defense for several years now. The SEC has slowly become the big12. And it isn’t just Bama for Pete’s sake.
You Can Say That But No Difference From The Big 10 Bein All Defense Wit No Offense These Conferences Each Have There Own Weaknesses
@@MikeB-wx9mt uh…except the 42-47 games in the SEC are way more commonplace, than the 9-14 games in the Big10.
@@MikeB-wx9mt its just a bit of a flip from the 2000's and early 2010's where you'd have like 20-14 LSU/Bama games
Transfer portal has leveled the field and it's starting to show at places like Alabama. Also, If Nick Sabin went to Penn State in 2006 the big 10 would have 13 of the last 18 national championships. He made a difference in the SEC.
Loved this weekend. One of the best college football Saturdays I’ve ever experienced
The SEC bias is real. The only conference when their teams lose, they win in the polls. If any other team would have lost to Vanderbilt or Arkansas they would have a free fall in the polls. The Canes win on the road and they get jumped by a one loss team that looked average against Florida state. Ok!!! 😬
Miami should’ve lost 😂
@@Peekih24 But we didn't, you see how that works?
@@aaronlampkin284 You see the refs bailing you out in back to back weeks? Bro y’all are gonna get killed by Clemson and I’m an Ohio State fan 😂😂
@@Peekih24and I'm a buckeye fan who remembers ohio state beating Purdue on a last second touchdown 9-6, then went on to beat an unbeatable Miami team in 2003.
Cam Ward is willing Miami to victories and we gotta respect that until it's proven he can lose. The guys a magician and it hurts that we almost had him transfer to us. Imagine cam ward with tosu's team around him
Honestly i think miami would beat goergia and alabama on a nuetral feild.
BINGO
Alabama cannot continue to pray that a hail Mary will bail them out.
i said it last week...everyone was wowed by bama and Georgia game....they are not the teams of old. turn the page to this year.
Idk Georgia just started bad and bama started hot
Othe than that Georgia won most of the game
Former aircraft mechanic. If there’s a landing gear issue as a precaution they want to reduce the amount of stress/weight on the aircraft during landing. They CAN dump fuel but that can be a hazmat issue and require a cleanup. Easier to just fly in circles to burn fuel. Doesn’t hurt anymore and it’s just an extra 20-30 minutes to do so.
Josh Pate mentioned your landing issue on his show...good friend! Two of the classiest men in the CFB industry. Glad you're safe! Love and blessings to you and yours Joel 🙏
Can't wait for Joel to come up with a dozen reasons why Alabama is actually the best team ever when the playoff comes around and acts like losing to Vandy didn't happen
How is Bama ranked 7th? They lost to a 2-2 Vanderbilt!
SEC bias man. I’m an Ohio State fan and I hate TTUN with a passion, but I just don’t understand how they drop 14 spots to Washington. Especially since Washington was favored to win.
Because bama
Same way texass got into the final 4 Bias
The bigger question is how did Vanderbilt get votes for the Top 25? They lost to Georgia State!
@@ricksaunders8074 Texas beat Bama who beat Georgia last year. Sit down
Been waiting all weekend for the Joel Klattt show !!!
Alambama welcome to having Kalen DeBoer as your head coach. Only focuses on Offense
"Bama is still the kind of College Football" next week loses to Vandy haha 😂😂😂
Arkansas beating the Vols shocked me.
Not me. Anyone with eyes can see that, besides Texas, every SEC team is mid.
apparently they were banged up
Iowa is better than Arkansas. Vols, LSU, Missouri, and Ole Miss overrated massively.
WA was the betting favorite over Michigan, so it wasn't as big as surprise to those that have been paying attention to onfield performance of both teams. Michigan's ranking was too high and WA wasn't ranked at all, due to losing a couple of games in which they outplayed opponents but lost on last play of the game due to self-inflicted mistakes (too many penalties and missed FG's).
It certainly was Washington’s NC game. At least that the way they acted after the game.
You were cracking me up this episode. Pretending if you're a coach, the plane, trump hands. 😂
Hi Joel. Love the show!
Yes, an airplane has a max landing weight that may be less than the max takeoff weight. Landing overweight could cause the landing gear to snap do to the force from the touch down.
Losing to unranked teams and still ranked in top 10 is just crazy!!!!
Especially if after beating the #1 team they are still unranked
Props to Klatt calling out Bama's defensive woes early.
Don’t forget…No. 8 nearly lost to an unranked academic school.
I feel better about this loss than the win vs Minnesota. Minnesota felt lucky, this UW game the offense found an identity and actually moved the ball. In the end UW just made some great defensive plays!
As a UW fan I hated seeing Orji get replaced because in the end I want each player to have their opportunity. Tuttle was in a tough position. Loved that it was a clean game for the most part. Go Dawgs. Go Big Blue
The landing weight for the landing gear was a good straight by the pilot. If there was a landing gear issue, that means there could be a hydraulic which means you want to take out as many variables as possible in order to make a safe landing. The less weight on the plane means the less pressure on that hydraulic landing gear which means less of a possibility of the gear bottoming out and causing a skid, or worse a crash.
Love the show, thank you! I barely even have time to watch my Huskies, let alone all the other games going on so appreciate it!
It was 27-17 UW Michigan
Crazy how in the beginning of the season, Ohio State and Oregon were both getting questioned as tier 1 teams…
Now it’s clear that they both are, and now they will meet in Eugene as the 2 and 3-seed respectively.
What a game that’s going to be.
O-H
I-O! Go Bucks!
Oregon has Tier 1 speed, quickness and ball skills. But honestly everything else is like Tier 3 lol
Wife is a flight attendant and she echoed what bigtimber said. Basically no reason to risk a landing overweight (which is a risk), and you stay around the departing airport in case of an emergency. Plus if there are mechanical issues you don’t want to just try to continue the flight in case there are more. Love the show!
Miami should have lost. THAT WAS TARGETING!!!!!!!
The AP poll this week is absolutely ridiculous and i genuinely have no idea how they cane up with it
I hated losing Kalen DeBoer as a Washington fan but It was a BREATH of fresh air to get rid of the Defensive staff. Washington has less talent/experience on Defense this year but they still play more consistently. KD is going to have to make some coaching changes on that side of the ball.
Bama has a different defensive staff than Deboer at Washington. The issue I think was more complacency and youth on D. Wommack isn't a bad D coordinator and has had great defenses at both South Alabama and Indiana, just needs time to develop players.
@@Dextrostatthey have 4 and 5 stars on the defense. They shouldn't be near as bad as they are.
@@drm2364 That's true, but it all depends on factors we really don't know. Things like team chemistry, youth, and underestimating your opponent can absolutely cause games like these. We'll have to see how they perform 4-5 games down the road.
@@drm2364they are also extremely young. A lot of bamas defense is starting freshman. Freshman have peaks and valleys in their performances.
The refrigerator analogy blew my mind.
We kind of knew Michigan offensively might be a mess this year given the QB situation and lack of talent at WR, but there is something fundamentally wrong with Michigan schematically and in terms of preparation on defense. Yes, we lost depth, but the fact we are playing as badly as we are when the defense was supposed to be the strength of this team points to a coaching issue. DC Martindale is failing, and the defensive secondary coach is as well. Both should be fired.
Sherrone Moore is mediocre at best. He got credit for babysitting in Harbaugh's absence last year and was given credit for the wins. He's not qualified to be head coach.
Give the guy a chance yall. It's his first full year as HC. What was Harbaughs first year like?
@@snapper_slapper harbaugh won 10 games his first year after michigan had won 10 games once in the previous 8 seasons. michigan is coming off a national championship and 3 straight playoff appearances - they should be more competitive
I’m a jet engine mechanic on the kc-135for the military, which is a Boeing 707 airframe, and the main concern is not a big explosion. The primary concern is landing gear failure because the aircraft is so heavy. When the aircraft is that heavy, the nose landing gear could collapse if the pilots don’t land perfectly because that gear isn’t made to take a bunch of weight. By far the easiest way to solve this is to just fly around and burn all of that extra weight. The other thing, and this is more of a guess, is that the extra weight in the wings, because that’s were most fuel tanks are stored in heavy aircraft, could cause structural failure if a hard landing occurred. That’s more speculation though as I have no experience with the structural integrity of an aircraft
I bet it was a wild night in Tennessee. Congrats to Vandy, that's awesome
One of the big differences that this year is going to have and going forward is that the goal for the top teams is always the national championship and in the past a week like this might have ended the dream for these teams but with a 12 team playoff it’s more like the NFL And you can lose one or maybe even two games and still get in and as you said if the failure is causing you to improve, there is still a future
If the Buckeyes win at Oregon they'll be #1.
Agree !
And if Oregon wins, they should be 1.
After seeing michigan and Washington beat up Texas and alabama last year I think the big tens earned some credit and should probably be favored until the facts tell us otherwise.
If Texas wins they stay #1. SEC teams always gets the nod.
@@ohioproud The SEC clearly isn't that great anymore. They don't play defense period and anybody with functioning eyeballs can see this now
Everytime a SEC Team lose it’s a “Good Loss” or some sorta excuse😒🤌🏾
It’s more safety Joel because if you land overweight your brakes aren’t going to slow you down before the end of the runway. Or they might get too hot and be a safety hazard. If they desperately had to land they would but if nothing else is emergently happening then that’s standard procedure
Man, I absolutely love your analysis. Why do I now look forward to Mondays after a weekend of college football… Joel Klatt, that’s why. You are by far the best. No, don’t coach, although you would probably be great at it, but if you did that, there’d be a cavernous hole to fill by these other guys who aren’t as good as you. Stay with us here, please. 🙏🏾
It’s the Road Games, Roadies!?! ‘Lord I was born a traveling man!’ ‘ Homeless?’ ‘Away from home? ‘
As an architect of the Superconferences, increased number of games, and the expanded playoffs, Mr. Klatt dismissed right away the most salient factor in these ‘upsets.’ Travel and road games are tough on anyone, including 18-24 year old football players who attend university full time.
Klatt may not want to admit the effect of travel on his life but any one who travels, especially cross-country with avlarge group, even if on Air Force One, knows that being away from home takes a significant emotional toll on health, relationships, and work.
Alabama’s crooked referees missed the bus and that was a big mistake because they looked mortal without them.
Good One !!! LMAO 😂😂😂
Wild weekend for football.
Burning fuel: Im sure enough other people have said similar things but... First, there is a difference between what is possible versus what is safest... obviously, if a pilot HAS to put the plane on the ground with a full load of fuel, they can, but it will likely result in damage or just a very much higher risk than is needed for a situation like you were in where they could go the safer route. Second, just because they lower the overall weight of the aircraft, it is no where near empty, if you are in a situation where there could be a fire on landing, it wouldnt make that much of a difference, some, but it is NOT part of the consideration.
Long story short, your United Airlines pilots followed procedure to remove as many risks as possible to safely and professionally get you and everyone else on the ground... Thats all.
In 2014, Ohio State lost their starting QB (Braxton Miller) in training camp. They lost to VT in week 2, then on to win the B1G, and beat Bama & Oregon to win the title as the 4 seed, in the first college football playoff.
If that can happen a decade ago under the old format, 1-loss in a 12 team format is going to become the norm. Conference realignment turned the B1G and SEC into a gauntlet.
you could argue that 2 losses could be a norm for teams 7-11.
the weight lifting analogy was *perfect* well said! love joel klatt and gus johnson. the best duo in college football history.
Joel, are you kidding? Tennessee had never beaten Nick Saban in his tenure at Bama. In 2022 that was 15 years. Vanderbilt hadn’t beaten Bama period in the modern era. And never beaten #1,2,3,4,or 5. And you wonder why goalposts end up in the river? You might want to check if there are other things that used to be in the stadium that are missing. lol. Good show today as usual.
Penn State is a terrifying matchup for USC, we'll see what they are made of and if they can bounce back after the MN loss.
Love the Teddy KGB reference " hanging, hanging around...chek, chek, chek" LOL😂❤
Michigan has a lot of issues . A LOT. But the most unforgivable is fhe defensive coordinator . His schemin and play calling is literally atrocious. I can’t fathom why sherrone Moore, who should absolutely know better , has not sat down with wink and swatted him with a newspaper . This dog must learn new tricks or go back to the pound . There is literally jv teams that play more disciplined and schematically sound ball . Go blue 🤷♂️
Sark showed them that.
Kirk Campbell is equally egregious. Both better be gone before next season. You live and learn, but hey, Jim Harbaugh sold out on Don Brown at one point in time.
Show that Missouri energy to Michigan they can’t throw a football at all. They playing high school football
U called it last week, U said that unsuspecting weekends like this past one usually results in major upsets.
Joel giving a statistics review to describe this weekend, absolutely love it
Joel is on fire. Anytime you can pull off a Teddy KGB reference, it's pure gold. 🔥
Vandy outplayed and outcoached Bama. As a Sooner, our schedule is looking more optimistic just in one day. Rankings should shift massively early season bc they are based on nothing.
The lesser team getting an epic or otherwise unexpected win may be the best thing about CFB. The look on Diego Pavias’ face and his happiness Sat. was worth seeing number one go down to an historic basement dweller. Congrats. to Clark Lea and Vanderbilt. My team, Tennessee went down at Arkansas, and MIZZOU has struggled in several games. Not sure that was an upset. Alabama and Tennessee will overcome their losses, but doubtful Vandy will EVER duplicate what it did Saturday., Oct. 5, 2024.
27:12-27:30 😆😆😆 PURE. COMEDY!!!
Joel, you're the best 🙌🏿
Clemson’s loss doesn’t look so bad now Alabama lost a Vanderbilt
Hey Joel, first, love your show!
Air Force Pilot here, and yes, maximum recommended landing weight is a thing. Most large aircraft when fully fueled are too heavy to land after takeoff otherwise it could cause damage to the landing gear and airframe, so they wouldn't land right away unless there was some other issue more serious such as somebody in immediate need of medical attention or an engine fire. Hope that helps! Go Blue and Go Buffs!
Love your take on college football man! Appreciate all the hard work you put into your craft!
Joe Klatt is the best in the business. PAY THIS MAN.
"Kid's got alligator blood..."
Hanging around, hanging around.
@@pnut3844able "Can't git riid of heem....!"
This 4-2-5 sucks so bad Joel. We’re gonna get lit up against other dual threat QBs
Joel you got the Washington/Michigan score wrong. It was 27-17.
Didn't even watch 5 seconds of this upload before hitting the like button. Joel always giving that heat!
There not cheating now😅
How did michigan "cheat" against Penn state on the road, Maryland on the road, Ohio state, Iowa in the big ten championship, Bama in the rose bowl, or Washington in the title game last year? Please enlighten all of us, because rn it just sounds like major cope
@@343Films3-2
Nd loses to niu. Community bashes us. But what abt vandy?What bout Arkansas, what about Minnesota? This is one of the worst losses in the sports history. And you drop them to 7??? And we get dropped to 16.
Alabama fans shouldnt watch this lmao😂😂😂😂
Michigan's defense is out of position when they don't know what play is coming? Color me shocked!
They are not well coached now. Under Harbaugh, it was a different story.
Nico should have started last year over milton, he looked like a deer in front of headlights. Our oline isn’t as good as it needs to be and playcalling is too conservative. Let nico play some ball, the talent is there! That play where he rolled to his left was immaculate! We gotta let him make some more mistakes this year to take the next step next season.
y’all overhyped him in the offseason, eat your crow
@@GoatedAtNFS i didnt overhype anything, he only played one game last season. I was very concerned with their offense and oline all year, and lack of wanting Nico to get some more snaps cuz seniority of joe milton
I'm a buckeye fan and think Tennessee is a team with an upward trajectory. They learn from this and get better.
@@davehall6809 hopefully
The score was 27-17. They lost by 10pts Joel.
Iowa State is better than Tennessee. SEC bias
You said Jalen milroe was a heisman candidate…..he sucks……yes his stats are good on paper, but if you’d actually watch the game with unbiased eyes you’d see that he’s basically a repackaged black sims…..he can’t read a defense, he panics in the pocket, and he doesn’t know how to go through read progressions, if it wasn’t for number 2, this team would be unwatchable……but he sure can run…….you really get to see just how good a coach Nick saban was now
Hey Joel big fan man. I’ve been through flight school and yes you have a gross takeoff weight and a gross landing weight. They are different for each aircraft and are calculated prior to every flight using mathematical formulas. You calculate so that the landing weight will be within specification by the time you reach your destination due to fuel burn-off. Since your flight had an emergency and could not complete the flight, it did not have the time to burn off the fuel and get the plane within landing weight specification so the pilots had to fly around in the holding pattern to burn it off to shed the weight to get it within spec. Now if it had been a more serious emergency where they had to land immediately. You can do it it is just not ideal and raises the risk of a bad landing where the gear is damaged or even possibly collapses. Because the emergency was not that serious it made no sense for the pilots to risk that. So they made the correct decision and did a good job. It sucks as the passenger when things like that happen but it is for the safety of everyone on board that the pilots made that decision.
Targeting isn't targeting anymore
Hey Joel love watching your shows. I did 11 plus years in avionics and have been around numerous aircraft. Three reason they had to burn fuel is because when the plane is heavier it takes more runway to land. So they will burn the fuel on purpose to make the plane lighter for a shorter runway distance to land. It is standard procedure for this to happen. The pilots did a great job in this situation.
Amen, bingo on Miami and the Refs. Refs may be on Miami payroll. 2 weeks in a row, very questionable calls. Miami could easily have 2 defeats.
“Upsets” was stuck in my head all last weekend…it started with mizzou
Nice introduction to put things in perspective...but it s time to talk about thoses games 😀
Def was anticipating this episode
Yes planes need to be a certain weight or they will not be able to stop in time on the runway. They still have enough fuel for the landing and a go around after burning it. In cases of an emergency after takeoff when they are fully loaded they can straight up dump fuel out the plane onto the ground.
So, when the buckeyes lose and if they lose a game, are they going to get the same treatment as, bama and Georgia, and only drop one or spots??? I hope so, because look at how bama fell few spots to an un ranked opponent. If the buckeyes lose to a duck, and a top 5 ranked duck, they’d better only fall 2-3 spots
Hey Joel, I say do both!! Still give us these amazing videos and come coach QBs for the Maze n Bule!!! 👏🏽👏🏽〽️〽️
You we need it!! 👀
"I would be remiss if I didn't talk about the nightcap"
Proceeds to talk about landing gears.
Hey Joel! As a Michigan fan, I can tell you what’s wrong with Michigans defense in the 4th quarter. Wink Martindale is just a horrible defensive coordinator and doesn’t know how to call a defense, especially in the 4th quarter. It’s embarrassing to watch my team play this horribly on defense, especially because it’s really not the players fault, bc our coordinator isn’t calling good plays