Scrapping the winter fuel allowance for pensioners, most of them on a standard pension, whilst not raising any taxes on the tax evading rich is disgusting !!!
I'm a pensioner and I'm not rich but I don't need a fuel allowance and neither do most of the pensioners living nearby - some of them get a new car every 3 years or so and only use it to go 1/2 mile down the road to get their newspaper! Giving money to people that clearly don't need it is ridiculous. By all means give a fuel allowance to those - including some pensioners - that are actually in need.
Bit judgie! Those who get a new car every 3 years, it could be a disability car which they have to pay for. They may have a disability and have to use their car just to pick up a paper. How do you know most of the pensioners in your area don't need a heating allowance?
It will still be paid to those whose need is the greatest. A tough decision but better than George Osborne's raising of the VAT rate at the beginning of the 1st. Cameron administration.
@@adrianwright8685 Absolutely. I am in the same boat, certainly not flushed but I do not need it. I refer you to a reply I have just posted here concerning George Osborne's 1st act a Chancellor. Thanks for introducing some sanity.
And then once they are finished with the house of lords they could stop giving illegal immigrants money for being here illegally. Just between us two look at the savings we have made.
I am not a rich pensioner, far, far, far from it. I am eighty one years old and I am in tears at being so cruelly treated. The elites in Westminster haven't got a clue about the daily lives of people like me! Knowledge and wisdom!!! Send her to speak to me PLEASE!
In the meantime Ed Miliband says Labour will honour pledge of £11.6bn in overseas climate aid. That is half the apparent black hole the Rachel Reeves is moaning about. Where is the logic in that?
So did the Tories for the past 14 Years, did you forget about that, let's ignore the fact that there's a 20 Billion Pound deficit shall we caused by Tories. ☹️
I have worked all my life and because of this I llose my winter fuel payment which i rely on , yet people who hardly worked or never worked get everything, I am not a rich pensioner so I rely on this .
@@stevenhull5025 many worked on the minimum wage and just got by. No extras. Illegals, cunningly arrive here, unwanted, like parasites and expect everything.
She may be forced to withdraw ? Everybody knew when labour got in the problems they doing everything the public don’t want they have gave Krause £billions and still continue billions to migrants a continuation and now this ? I don’t think she will last starmer knows this
@@MagnusMaximusinWalestheyve still paid in for over 60 years it's their right to be looked after in their later years.Unlike the freeloaders arriving on our shores daily who pay nothing yet get everything!
@@jacquelinepeters3575 A) Have they paid in for years? My parents are comfortably off, many of their friends are multi-millionaires, some of them company directors with good accountants who have spent their careers trying to pay as little in tax as possible. The British corporate tax system is very good at helping wealthy people avoid personal tax. B) Do British Billionaires James Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe or Richard Branson, (etc.) need this paltry sum? Of course they don't! The money for this is being BORROWED, we are saddling future generations with this debt. The less we borrow, the better for our great-great-great grandchildren. If 10 millionaires go without a freebie that they DON'T NEED and that means the NHS can carry out life-saving surgery on someone who needs it but would not otherwise get it, surely that's a better use of borrowed money? There are nearly 3 million people in the UK who are millionaires / billionaires, very many of these are elderly.
@@MagnusMaximusinWalesWRONG,There are thousands and thousands of OAPs who are right on the borderline,and cannot get pension credit,as is in our case,we are on full basic state pension,so cannot get any extra,get your fact right,
I'm a pensioner and I'm not rich but I don't need a fuel allowance and neither do most of the pensioners living nearby - some of them get a new car every 3 years or so and only use it to go 1/2 mile down the road to get their newspaper! Giving money to people that clearly don't need it is ridiculous. By all means give a fuel allowance to those - including some pensioners - that are actually in need.
She's not cutting it entirely, it's only for means tested pension credit, meaning, those that have another source of income other than just their pension. Some have LOADS of savings or even a job pension coming in also so, it's not as bad as its being made to sound. They're not taking winter fuel payments from those that are literally struggling to pay for energy.
@@nickdee24 They are cutting it from any pensioner with an income of over £11,500. Taking from pensioners to boost the salaries of some doctors earning over £96,000 annually. Disgraceful!
I receive the state pension but I also have a good pension from my former employment. I don't need the winter fuel payment and I'm perfectly happy to see the money redirected to people who actually depend on it.
@@nickdee24 Yes, some have savings as a result of self sacrifice and some have other pensions, as a result of years of employment and choosing not to opt out of their company schemes. It is regarded as an easy hit. Why not also look at productivity where appropriate and reducing the public sector, including the civil service. The then opposition were very vocal about the energy bills the elderly had to meet.
Not only have pensioners lost years of pensions compared to their parents, but now they lose the winter payment and because the tax threshold hasn't increased for years fall into a tax bracket. I suppose she's got to find money for the million immigrants she'll be funding over the next 12 months and the million the following year and the following year.
You do not seem to grasp that people on means tested benefit will still get the fuel allowance. I am going to lose my allowance but in truth it never went on fuel.
I think you will find the UK has shovelled sooo much money at pensioners in recent years the UK birthrate has tanked and so the UK is in desperate need of immigrants to supply the labour the economy needs. 1/5 of the UK population is over the age of retirement, and biggest bill to the treasury is the pensions bill. The NHS spends 1/3rd of its budget keeping over 80's alive for 3 years longer.
@@TW19567 Thank you. Someone with a brain. they not cutting the winter fuel for the needy elders. Lot's of elders are homeowners with no mortgage or rent to pay that don't need the extra cash. Upped the pay to people that care for them like doctors. Do you want a winter fuel bribe or a faster appointment with a Doctor when you really are in need? Looking to close tax loopholes for those that can afford to use them. That's why the press are on the attack!
@TW19567 These Pensioner's have paid into the systems all there lives,paid there tax! unlike the thousands coming into this Country who pay nothing and get everything free! How about looking after our own people first! Governments of this Country are Traitors to their own people.Abolish the bloated House of Lords!
@@TW19567 Yes - quite right. I'm sick of moaning pensioners featherbedded by the working young [of whom they have nothing good to say]. Before anyone accuses me of being ageist I should point out I'm 71. Pensioners have had substantial real rises in their income - including those who are billionaires, millionaires, those who own second homes and have investments, whilst those in work have had stagnant incomes for many years. The only pensioners who should get increases are those with only the state pensions to live on. The rest, including me, should take a hit.
@TW19567 I get you're yet to reach retirement age??? Totally disagree with your unlawful comments, and I'm sure others will too. I've worked and paid my fair share of taxes and paid my NI stamps for 51 years, NEVER been out of work, so feel your comments totally unjustified. Lets see how the situation transpires over the following months, when 'Random' Reeves and the rest of her party 'sort' things out.🤔
I'm a pensioner and I'm not rich but I don't need a fuel allowance and neither do most of the pensioners living nearby - some of them get a new car every 3 years or so and only use it to go 1/2 mile down the road to get their newspaper! Giving money to people that clearly don't need it is ridiculous. By all means give a fuel allowance to those - including some pensioners - that are actually in need.
@@markhorney7625 I am fairly comfortable - certainly not worried about enough money to pay fuel bill. That's my point ! - I don't need it - and nor do many others BUT there are plenty who do need extra cash. Why not give more to all of them and not to people like me?
a number of pensioners that really don’t need the winter fuel money donate it to age concern and various other charities so they too will be missing out. In the scheme of things that winter fuel payment can be a life saver for many compared to the illegal migrants it’s a drop in the ocean. Labour get out now.
Turn out of voters for labour was a lot lower compared last election. They only won because the public is divided and voted for other parties like green, lib dems, reform.... Me thinks next GE the labour turn out will be much lower and these other parties will gain some more seats putting the popularity of labour at risk. Reform might get another 4-8 seats, lib dems and greens will most definitely get more of the labour voters to get more seats. They aren't off on a good start 😂
Winter fuel payment gone, pension lump sum next, life time allowance to restrict how much one can put aside, then means testing to get state pension soon..People voted to give Labour a chance and this is what they will get in return.😮
Did you think Labour would increase welfare support and so benefit you? Do you think a slight improvement in your living standard eg winter fuel allowance, is a small price to pay on increased immigration and living in a leftist society? It's ok then to vote Labour for winter fuel allowance in exchange for destroying the country and your kids and grankids futures. Well done!
You can't say in general oap are Conservative voters it probably depends on where you are in the country I'm in the north-east Labour always had strong support here that includes pensioners......
@@MySimDied She is hitting the same people that Brown and Blair robbed when they were working. Absolute disgrace she knew the figures before the election, a government cannot hide the figures as they don't produce them the civil service does.
A lot us pensioners don't get a full state pension because we receive a small private pension which we pay tax on, either from previous works or from our late husbands works. Because of this private pension our state pension is reduced! we cant claim any benefits ie; pension credit, rent, council tax, because we get this private pension and now we are losing the heating allowance! Pensioners who are on benefits are better off than those of us who cant claim a penny! By stopping the heating allowance most pensioners will suffer in the winter months trying to keep warm and we will struggle to pay our fuel bills. The cold weather can cause a lot of issues for us pensioners over the winter months where many are taken into hospital or die alone from hypothermia in their homes! We already have no social care! how much more is going to be taken from us?! The winter fuel allowance should not be just for those who are claiming benefits but also those of us who are living below the bread line. I would like to mention Keir Starmers words " Pensioners have nothing to fear from me"! Really???!!!!
Yes sadly there will always be those who fall through the net and others who end up being entitled to everything. Its disgusting private pensions are taxed. The threshold on receiving the winter fuel allowance should be reduced. Anyone who receives less than 25k, defo should be entitled to the fuel allowance. Government has penalised anyone who took the initiative and took out private pensions, when this should not be the case.
Pensioners on means tested benefits will still qualify so what is your problem. I see you have used the opportunity to have a go at immigrant "bashing"- Reform supporter by any chance?
She is hammering pensioners. I know several with just over the basic pension and few savings and they will not get the fuel payment. As you know but won't admit starmer and reeves love WEF and Davos and dislike the uk and the taxpaying citizens. I research starmer and just didn't like what I saw
By 'your research' what you actually mean is that you believe all the unfounded conspiracy theory garbage you read on TikTok. I'm a pensioner & I definitely don't feel 'hammered'. What I need is a functioning NHS that is capable of looking after me in my advancing years, not the NHS the Tories bequeathed to us which simply lets us suffer in silence & in many cases, die!!
All pensioners who don't get the winter fuel allowance should simply just refuse to pay council tax, if there is millions of £s for illegals who have contributed nothing to this country then it's time for us pensioners to refuse to pay council tax.
@rachel-rb4bpI agree with both of you .....but it's outrageous that somebody that's just rocked up on the rubber dinghy gets money food clothes shelter is living in decent hotel in with heating, while someone who has worked all their life since leaving school and is still relatively poor will not get a bit of help to warm their home during the cold months......
The illegals get £40 a day to spend as they wish £280 per week £1000 per month every month tax free that’s more than I get and I eventually end up paying tax on mine when it is included with a small private pension,moral do not contribute to a private pension you will be punished by labour they hate anyone who has worked and provided for a bit security it’s not worth it unless you can hide it
Simple way to save money stop paying £8 million a day for migrants staying in hotels, then pensioners could still get their cold weather payments and many more good ways in supporting those in need in this country. Labour's going to make matters alot worse.
Had Labour not opposed the Rwanda deal we would have deported hundreds and put people off of paying the gangs that Labour says it will destroy. They are living if fairy land Interpol has beed arresting the gangs for years.
Labour AREN'T going to make it worse you silly man!! They are going to start processing asylum applications PROPERLY. That way failed asylum seekers can be lawfully sent back to whence they came, quite lawfully & with no interference from the courts. This is how the system last worked under Labour, when we DIDN'T have hotels jam-packed full of migrants!!! This was a problem exclusively created by the Tories. Blame them for your disappearing winter fuel allowance!
There's only 12million people over 65 in Britain. I would love to know how many own their own house and private pension pots. Because by me most pensioners are on state pensions only and live in social housing. Many people don't know that they add lower birthrates into the equations when they say Britain has an aging population. Though they always have billions for foreign aid, conflicts and green energy. I give Labour under 18 months before people want them out.
The real problem is the 2.6 trillion pension liabilities of public sector pensions that are subsidised by the U.K. taxpayer, this has been crippling the U.K. economy for many years now.
No! If you watched the report properly, it's pensioners who are on a better income and not on benefits who will lose it. I live in a favourite place for rich retirees, I am disabled and have to live on benefits. I don't get it anymore. The previous government changed the rules without any consultation and scrapped the winter fuel allowance for the most needy. I don't hear anyone talking about that!; she's trying to put it back and make it fairer. No-one was complaining about the total chaos of last years change. Where were you all to complain then..I have a heart condition,as well as others, and children. We had no heating all last year. But people like you don't care.
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tsSome pensioners don't get tax credits though they have a small pension that they have earned and it's they who will suffer.....they still are very low income but don't qualify for any help.... sometimes those who have tax credit pensions Have made very little contribution.... but they end up better off than people who have worked all their lives......
@@azillliasmith2734 there are always people left in a bad way when you change things. But last year's changes were just bizarre! The government took no advice,it was absolutely nothing to do with income,or health, age,factors that make a person vulnerable..it was postcode. Presumed age of house. And there was absolutely no publicity about the changes,so during record fuel prices we were simply left high &dry. My energy company couldn't explain why I, with multiple degenerative disabilities was left high and dry. Surely as a society it's the sick/disabled and little old ladies struggling to eke out their pensions that we want to help first? Isn't it?
The oldest pensioners are on an even lower state pension already . If you have a small private pension you miss out on pension credit anyway . Many are widowed/widower , live alone , have to pay council tax etc . ...... and council tax for a single household should get a 50% reduction. not a 25% reduction . We're nowhere near having a living wage !!! They've also kicked the Social Care Reform can down the road yet again ............absolutely disgraceful .
Billions to give other countries to help them..BUT NOTHING FOR OUR PENSIONERS IN THE WINTER MONTHS. WHEN THEY NEED HELP....NEVER TRUST LABOUR. EVER.!!!!!!!
I hope she is put into the state pension and she will be able to see how we live! She has no idea and needs to live like us! They have no idea and if they did, then they would be shocked! I challenge the labour government to live on a pension for two months!
@@paulbird3235 No, and we are still fighting this. I waited an additional six years to receive my state pension as did many other women who had received insufficient notice of the change of arrangements or no notice at all.
Well the more that die from the cold, that's less pension to pay out for the government! Yes I am a pensioner worked all my life in very low payed jobs paid my tax and national insurance like every hardworking person, just have to vote labour out in the future. They are already going back on promises from just a few weeks ago but what's new, all politicians are the same! You cannot trust one word that comes out of their mouths!!!
More people die of cold than they do of heat, mostly “moderate” cold, not extreme cold conditions. Anything either side of 18 degrees centigrade older people are especially at risk. In the U.K. this would include an increased risk of dying on days with a temperature of 10 degrees or 15 degrees. Sub optimal temperatures can lead to premature deaths from conditions such as cardiovascular, kidney disease, respiratory infections & diabetes. Older people sometimes don’t realise their temperature is dropping. The government are aware of this so it’s surprising the winter fuel payment was axed. The Mortality insight report came out in April 2023. More excess winter mortality as a result of cold, not freezing but cold. ONS research stated there were 13,000 excess winter deaths during Winter 2021-2022. Time & time again it is found that low temperatures affect the mortality of the elderly. Heat , flooding,air quality& food availability are also likely to affect mortality but by far the greatest cause of premature deaths in the U.K. is moderate cold.
How on earth will all those pensioners in the House Of Lords on £350 to go asleep in there ever manage without an extra £6 per week (equivalent). I do fear for them, #PrayForTheLords
You make a good point. I have State Pension but a private pensuion as well and in truth always regarded the winter fuel payment as a contribution to the Christmas dinner! Okay no one likes to lose money but people need to realise Tory croneyism and mismanagement have caused an immense amount of harm to this country. The budget in October will be interesting.
@@user-uv8bv4dm9fthat's good for you .......but others have a small pension after working all their their lives and receive no tax credits or housing benefit or money off the council tax....that winter fuel allowance was really important to them....... Think I'd rather get rid of all the illegals rather than the House of Lords even though I'm not madly in love with them.....
@@azillliasmith2734 If their pension is small they may qualify for a means tested benefit- universal credit as an example so the fuel allowance will still be paid. You use the term "illegals" incorrectly, they are asylum seekers. If their case is judged to be bogus then they become "illegal" and face deportation.
As an American I can sadly assure you that you're not alone. Here, even a LOT of working citizens are homeless. Seniors whose taxes supported the nation are homeless in effort to afford medication. MEANWHILE illegal aliens are well provided for AND a specific group of US-born citizens show up to welfare offices half an hour to closing In Their Pajamas Stinking Of Marijuana With Bloodshot Eyes. The ONLY topic I'm likely to agree with Trump on is the one having to do with the LACK of Quality of illegals in our country.
About time why should all the members of parliament that are of pension age get winter full payments,they can more than afford to pay their own bills ,the people that don't need it won't get it and the people that do will,it needs to be means tested ,it use to infuriate my late mother in law ,she never understood why she would get this benefit when she was very wealthy and able to pay her own bills with no difficulty.
When she looked over the figures she didn't notice the winter fuel payments were missing from the totals? But after just noticing it she is going to scrap them straight away and not even consider rolling back anything else she has planned!
I was mocked and ridiculed when I told you that tory keir scammer would knife you. First cut is the deepest . Around 10 million pensioners will lose their winter fuel payments under new plans announced by the chancellor.From this autumn, those not on pension credit or other means-tested benefits will no longer get the annual payments, worth between £100 and £300. Enjoy
So you have a lot of savings to blow on pointless and most likely inadmissible litigation? How about giving your mum some of your spare cash for her heating then?
She had 93 years to save and invest for her retirement. Maybe this is a wake up call for those who go through life without planning for their future. Why should others pay tax from their income to support those in society who didn't give a damn.
Children could get free school meals, pensioners higher pensions to match European countries, nurses could get higher pay rise to retain them, more money to open more hospitals, improved social housing. No, the priority is escorting in hundreds and thousands illegal immigrants into 4* hotels to reach annual quotas.
Matching European countries? European Countries have immigrants as well and as you say rightly a higher standard of living. Our problem has been 14 years of Tory mis management which now has to be corrected and quickly.
@@maryminty5876hope you get a bit of money from somewhere ....it's miserable to be cold especially if you've got arthritis or something like that....❤.....
@@alanwilkinson9487it will ....just been on a discussion on Mumsnet... some really nasty people on there ......seem to be under the impression that pensioners are absolutely rolling in it and going abroad for the winter months...... I absolutely don't know anybody like that....... most people that I know are counting the pennies and doing really well with the small amount of money they have......and one off fuel payment was a real life saver.....
@@maryminty5876I made a comment it seems to have got deleted I've just said that hope you get a little bit of money from somewhere to keep warm basically ❤
@@user-vt5yd4od8m I'm in my 70's myself, so I have to disagree. The biggest blow to pensioners was delivered quite recently by that horrible Truss woman and her fiscally incompetent chancellor Kwarteng. Pension investments were decimated by their ill conceived mini budget.
@@donnaspeer2760 No, they still won’t. There will be more Labour voting young people who will have seen policies enacted to help them, while 20% of current Tory voters will be dead. I’m afraid you’re not going to see another Tory government for a very long time.
I'm a pensioner and I will lose the winter fuel payment cos I'm not on benefits. Unfortunately I'm not one of the 27% of pensioners who are millionaires. I don't know what percentage will still get the allowance but i bet it's quite high. I will miss the allowance but accept it is necessary. Just remember the tories gave millionaires winter fuel allowance...totally inept
NOBODY Is against the Junior Doctors or any others in Employment who are entitled to overdue Rises that can be Afforded. But taking from Pensioners to Fund Others is not the way to show appreciation to those who put in the Long Slog when they were Needed. Labour are attacking those who have no way of hitting back until the Next Polling Day which come about.
Listen u wld not know what hit u if rusdia got into ujraine then moved into hungary without a battle. Wld not be long after that before u r under the rule of an autocrat. See what u think them.
Really ? I don't believe you. The payment will still go to pensioners on pension credit. If you will no longer receive it, you must be on a certain level above that.
@@BBBCP-564pawytThe minimum wage thing is irrelevant. But, within the mathematics you gave, you could well be on the full state pension. The state pension is calculated to provide slightly over the minimum necessary. Pension credits top up for those who don't get the full pension. Tending to confirm your pension is about the full rate. So why should you get more money ?
@@timg1246 My income is made up of the lower state pension and my small private pension. My income is just under £15,000 and I am not entitled to pension credit. I pay for my dental treatment and my glasses. But not to worry as long as we can fund 11.7 billion to other countries and 3 billion a year to keep the illegal immigrants in nice comfortable warm surroundings. As long as we can pay £330 a day for members of the House of Lords just for turning up or sleeping..
After Tony Blair's support of the war against Iraq many people stopped voting Labour. Anyone who has come back to Labour will be horrified that they are now picking on some of the weakest people in society.
They've made a huge mistake here. Yes, there are well off pensoners, who don't need it. My dad has a couple of work pensions and I know he doesn't need it. But, I really think they should have considered those who are just above the limit for claiming pension credit. They're effectively less well off than those on pension credit, who already get council tax reductions and any other things going, that are available to those on benefits. The govt need to be thinking of those on small works pensions, as they are actually poorer than those on pension credit.
If you are going to lose the payment, your total income must be above the level to be in reciept of pension credits. In other words, you don't need it. I am a pensioner. I don't need it either.
@KevinSmith-ki7yl You needed to listen with the ears and eyes. Anyone could see what they were going to do. Thanks to people like you, we are stuck with them for 5 years.
All pensioners out there let's protest.. I will not come 2nd class to immigrants who get more to live on than the state pension we as UK citizens get or free heating 5hat I should get. We have another parliament that is going to side with giving these immigrants freebies. While we the English get pushed further to the back.
@@francesjacques7118You mean the better off pensioners should protest. Because those on pension credits will still get the payment. What will your slogan be ? Perhaps 'Arise, people on a decent pension, you only have a small payment you don't really need to fight for". Not exactly catchy.
She sounds as if she doesn't wantbus to live through the winter. I so hurt at 92 that the gobernment doesnt link hyperthermia with excess deaths in winter. Looks like eexare paying for the doctors that we cant get appointments with to have a rise. When we die this year they get yo keep.our pensions too.
@@MySimDied what makes you think I did, you are making broad brush assumptions about my contemporaries born in the 1930s. We had our childhoods sacrificed for Europe. Learn about the 90 year olds, we are the last of the best, take your time to learn how tightly we manage our budgets and dont have credit cards. It is these Oldies she will hit, like me, just that smidgen over the figure required. I buy my own spectacles, pay my dentist policy....yes, I've kept my teeth, pay my social care, have to have a woman to keep my garden tidy and will now br selling my home of 50 years which my devoted husband built to pay his Nursing home fees.where will I go, no children and trying to work it out is killing me. Yes, and I am computer literate and pay for my internet connection and pendant alarm system . I get nothing. And I do without basics. So please, dont tar us with your ignorant brush.
No but I worked right up to becoming a pensioner. The taxes I paid helped pay the pensions of those older than me. Just as those younger than me pay taxes that help with my pension. That's how the system works
Why ìs she hammering pensioners i can solve problem 1stop paying for house of lords .2 stop giving millions to france .3 stop giving billions in foreign aid 4 stop paying millions out for ilegal migrants ,why dont they stop playing the blame game and get on with the job to help the people of this great country
Many thanks Rachel Reeves we the pensioners of this country will remember how you have treated us,you had other options to balance the books but you will in time regret your actions.
Yet she’ll have plenty of funds to give to Zelensky and Netanyahu while pensioners freeze. She’s even going to give junior doctors 22% pay rise. Maybe she’ll start taxing disability benefits like DLA and PIP to pay for that one. Most pensioners on the full state pension don’t and can’t get pension credit because it is a few pounds over the limit. If your weekly income to £218.15 if you’re single or your joint weekly income is £332.95 if you have a partner, anything over this you’re not entitled to pension credit. How can Reeves say, the figures are worse than anyone thought. Can no one count or read budgets? It was common knowledge in the UK, after all, new GDP figures are published by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) every month. However, quarterly figures - covering three months at a time - are considered more important. They had all these figures in front of them. They also had another set of figures from The Office for Budget Responsibility. Obviously she chose to ignore these statics and their warnings and feed the general public a diet of verbal diarrhoea and hope we’d swallow it hook, line and sinker, which we all did. Again it is the poorest in society that is being raided to pay the costs of Labours shenanigans. Can we ask for a refund or a rerun so that Labour can spout out some truths. Income tax rises are the fairest way to pay for these shortfalls and everyone pays their share from rich to poor. Put up the top tax bracket by 2p-5p, put up national insurance. But! Stop making the poorest in society even poorer and making them pay for wars we can’t afford, asylum seekers we can’t afford. Charity begins at home. Looks like Labour could be a one term government.
@@annemoncrieff3875 and now the poorest in society are suffering under Labour. People were warned not to give them their vote or give them enough votes that they could ride rough shot over anyone putting up an argument to bin this policy. Labour aren’t the same labour older adults would vote for, they’re more conservative and will basically follow Tory policies because big business and Friends of Israel will be dictating their policies, just like in America, though we’re just not as bad as that lot, yet. I’m convinced they’ll also either start taxing PIP or go down the Tory voucher route. Watch this space when it comes to hammering the poorest in society, they’ll know no bounds and spin it as all the fault of the Tories. Also, don’t forget she’s given the doctors a 22% pay rise that the poor will need to pay for and that’s only the beginning. She’ll have nurses, teachers, firefighters, police etc. looking for similar rises. Maybe they should stop falling America and their proxy wars. She found billions to give to Zelensky, how much will that corrupt nation take out of that money to fill their own pockets when they all decide to flee to their nice houses they built abroad. They’re also giving funds to Genocide Netanyahu and yet they’ll let poorer pensioners and the disabled freeze. As for having GB energy how many billions will that cost and who is really going to profit from it? The SNP tried that one but a black hole was swallowing up too much money and they soon ditched that plan.
What a pathetic attack,Thunderer radio obviously has little to talk about The winter fuel allowance should be focused, and I say that as a 71 year old pensioner. What should be universal is child credit and taxed at only the highest level. We should be thinking about supporting families more as they struggle to survive.
I was mocked and ridiculed when I told all that tory keir scammer would knife you. First cut is the deepest . Around 10 million pensioners will lose their winter fuel payments under new plans announced by the chancellor.From this autumn, those not on pension credit or other means-tested benefits will no longer get the annual payments, worth between £100 and £300. Enjoy
My wife and I are pensioners on a combined income of £1800 per month. We are not labour supporters but agree with Reeves. Why should taxpayers benefit those pensioners who clearly are nowhere near the poverty line. Means testing is the only fair way to determine if financial help is appropriate. While Reeves is about it, how about scrapping child benefit for those who clearly do not need it. In any case, why should the taxpayer have to pay for the upkeep of other peoples children. If you cannot support your own kids don't have any. Also, scrap unemployment benefit for those able bodied youth who refuse to look for work or at least make them "earn" benefits by putting them to work within their local communities.
The question is: which pensioners will get the payment and which will not. If those who need it, get it, and those who do not, do not, is this a problem? I reserve judgement until I see the outcome.
They are complaining because better off pensioners will not be getting an un-necessary benefit. Pensioners on pension credit will still get a winter fuel payment. I am a pensioner. I don't need it. It all seems rather disingenuous to me. The benefit system should assist the poorest, not be a free for all no matter what.
Wheres the backlash from the hundreds of Labour MP's on punishing pensioners.The party of the ordinary person is an absolute joke.More pain to follow & further misery to be heaped on people. 😂😂😂
If you're a pensioner on an income below the benefits threshold, you continue to get the winter fuel payments. Pensioners who need it will still get it. I'm a pensioner above the threshold so I will lose it. Do I feel "hammered"? Not even slightly.
And she has taken the sensible decision that she will not need the payment herself. Good. Lots of pensioners have a comfortable income. They don't need benefits.
Disgusting. Why not scrap Net Zero; then the books will easily be balanced and energy bills will fall. Millions of pensioners will be regretting having voted Labour.
The Labour party don't have too much concern for the Pensioners, they stopped the Rwanda flights. They seem more concerned supporting the illegal immigrants and we are getting the increased tax to pay for it all. They should be looking after their own Citizens!
Pensioner on pensions credits are the ones that were on benefits or could not be bothered to go the work, yet these people are better looked after many private sector workers on a modest state pensions.
We did work……… day and night , 24 hours on call . Nurse, taxi driver ,the maker and keeper of precious memories, teacher, comforter,story teller, chef , monster killer ,life coach and friend . We were mothers staying home to bring up a family . Wash your mouth out
I’m 76 a pensioner and I don’t blame Ms Reeves for taking away my fuel allowance. It’s the Tories trickle down policies that make such actions necessary. I’m not being hammered even though my pension is not large, amounting to much less than the minimum wage for a 40 hour week.
Thanks Rachel for causing the black hole deficit because its Labour who introduced the Winter Payment in 1997. Its always the pensioners that get the blame and will lose out.
It is a benefit. As is the winter fuel payment. Why should that payment go to well off pensioners ? Pensioners on pension credit will still get the payment.
State Pension is not means tested benefit- it is generated by national insurance contributions. People on means tested benefit such as universal credit will qualify.
@@timg1246 You cant claim pension credit if you have a full state pension regardless if you are in the fortunate position of having a private pension. That means people on pension credit who get top ups equivalent to the State pension get any full benefits and the person who only has the state pension to live on loses out.
Pensioners are an easy target. The idiots in the House of Lords, should not be allowed to claim over £200 per day just for turning up the6 should not receive any expenses.
The under-50s had a decade and a half of 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' ' get on your bike' 'better cut back your spending' 'should have saved more' whilst their services and conditions were gutted. Wonder where that went.
Im a pensioner and I get more then enough money each month from my occupational pension. I don't need the winter fuel allowance which remains available to poorer pensioners on benefits. Thats as it should be.
A lot of pensioners don’t need the fuel payment but I think it could have been targeted to the people who do need it rather than just stopped altogether. 😕
Scrapping the winter fuel allowance for pensioners, most of them on a standard pension, whilst not raising any taxes on the tax evading rich is disgusting !!!
I'm a pensioner and I'm not rich but I don't need a fuel allowance and neither do most of the pensioners living nearby - some of them get a new car every 3 years or so and only use it to go 1/2 mile down the road to get their newspaper! Giving money to people that clearly don't need it is ridiculous.
By all means give a fuel allowance to those - including some pensioners - that are actually in need.
@@adrianwright8685£221 pw is not a great amount of money, especially as everything is going up.Alot of Pensioners survive on the basic state pension.
Bit judgie! Those who get a new car every 3 years, it could be a disability car which they have to pay for. They may have a disability and have to use their car just to pick up a paper. How do you know most of the pensioners in your area don't need a heating allowance?
It will still be paid to those whose need is the greatest. A tough decision but better than George Osborne's raising of the VAT rate at the beginning of the 1st. Cameron administration.
@@adrianwright8685 Absolutely. I am in the same boat, certainly not flushed but I do not need it. I refer you to a reply I have just posted here concerning George Osborne's 1st act a Chancellor. Thanks for introducing some sanity.
Stop the obscene daily payments to the House of Lords just for showing up. These are the people who are more than able to do without.😊
💯 agreed
Well said ❤🇬🇧
That's too easy.
subsidised food and drinks too
And then once they are finished with the house of lords they could stop giving illegal immigrants money for being here illegally. Just between us two look at the savings we have made.
She has to go and labour should reintroduce the winter fuel payment now what a disgusting thing to do
I am not a rich pensioner, far, far, far from it. I am eighty one years old and I am in tears at being so cruelly treated. The elites in Westminster haven't got a clue about the daily lives of people like me! Knowledge and wisdom!!! Send her to speak to me PLEASE!
In the meantime Ed Miliband says Labour will honour pledge of £11.6bn in overseas climate aid. That is half the apparent black hole the Rachel Reeves is moaning about. Where is the logic in that?
So did the Tories for the past 14 Years, did you forget about that, let's ignore the fact that there's a 20 Billion Pound deficit shall we caused by Tories. ☹️
and aid to China who continue to burn coal for electricity.
It's also 10x the £1.5bn savings from cutting WFA
@@tradeladder146 A deficit they were well aware of, when they made all of the promises they knew they could not keep. Still, got you voting for them.
Because who needs a viable planet to live on?
I have worked all my life and because of this I llose my winter fuel payment which i rely on , yet people who hardly worked or never worked get everything, I am not a rich pensioner so I rely on this .
If you worked all your life how come you have no investments to supplement your state pension??
Exactly what I have been saying . So unfair
@@stevenhull5025 because we are a generation that stayed at home with our children then worked part time. In jobs that didn’t provide pensions
What ***t! @@stevenhull5025
@@stevenhull5025 many worked on the minimum wage and just got by. No extras. Illegals, cunningly arrive here, unwanted, like parasites and expect everything.
Everything for immigrants nothing for pensioners,is she going to veto MPs wage rises ?.
She may be forced to withdraw ? Everybody knew when labour got in the problems they doing everything the public don’t want they have gave Krause £billions and still continue billions to migrants a continuation and now this ? I don’t think she will last starmer knows this
Pensioners don't even receive minimum wage, and now this, it's disgusting...
The poor OAPs will be fine. It's only the wealthy OAPs that won't get this payment, because they don't actually need it.
@@MagnusMaximusinWalestheyve still paid in for over 60 years it's their right to be looked after in their later years.Unlike the freeloaders arriving on our shores daily who pay nothing yet get everything!
@@jacquelinepeters3575
A) Have they paid in for years? My parents are comfortably off, many of their friends are multi-millionaires, some of them company directors with good accountants who have spent their careers trying to pay as little in tax as possible. The British corporate tax system is very good at helping wealthy people avoid personal tax.
B) Do British Billionaires James Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe or Richard Branson, (etc.) need this paltry sum? Of course they don't!
The money for this is being BORROWED, we are saddling future generations with this debt.
The less we borrow, the better for our great-great-great grandchildren.
If 10 millionaires go without a freebie that they DON'T NEED and that means the NHS can carry out life-saving surgery on someone who needs it but would not otherwise get it, surely that's a better use of borrowed money?
There are nearly 3 million people in the UK who are millionaires / billionaires, very many of these are elderly.
@@MagnusMaximusinWalesWRONG,There are thousands and thousands of OAPs who are right on the borderline,and cannot get pension credit,as is in our case,we are on full basic state pension,so cannot get any extra,get your fact right,
I'm a pensioner and I'm not rich but I don't need a fuel allowance and neither do most of the pensioners living nearby - some of them get a new car every 3 years or so and only use it to go 1/2 mile down the road to get their newspaper! Giving money to people that clearly don't need it is ridiculous.
By all means give a fuel allowance to those - including some pensioners - that are actually in need.
I hope all pensioners remember this a vote reform next time.
Cutting the winter fuel allowance is a vindictive and spiteful move.
She's not cutting it entirely, it's only for means tested pension credit, meaning, those that have another source of income other than just their pension. Some have LOADS of savings or even a job pension coming in also so, it's not as bad as its being made to sound. They're not taking winter fuel payments from those that are literally struggling to pay for energy.
@@nickdee24 They are cutting it from any pensioner with an income of over £11,500. Taking from pensioners to boost the salaries of some doctors earning over £96,000 annually. Disgraceful!
Those who need it, will still receive it. But the likes of Alan Sugar and Bernie Ecclestone do not need a winter fuel allowance.
I receive the state pension but I also have a good pension from my former employment. I don't need the winter fuel payment and I'm perfectly happy to see the money redirected to people who actually depend on it.
@@nickdee24 Yes, some have savings as a result of self sacrifice and some have other pensions, as a result of years of employment and choosing not to opt out of their company schemes. It is regarded as an easy hit. Why not also look at productivity where appropriate and reducing the public sector, including the civil service. The then opposition were very vocal about the energy bills the elderly had to meet.
pensioners have worked hard all their lives and paid their dues so it disgusting that these ppl should even think of taking money away from them!
Not only have pensioners lost years of pensions compared to their parents, but now they lose the winter payment and because the tax threshold hasn't increased for years fall into a tax bracket. I suppose she's got to find money for the million immigrants she'll be funding over the next 12 months and the million the following year and the following year.
You do not seem to grasp that people on means tested benefit will still get the fuel allowance. I am going to lose my allowance but in truth it never went on fuel.
Perhaps you should have prepared for retirement better and live within your means.@@BBBCP-564pawyt
@@BBBCP-564pawyt Not a matter of luck, just making considered decisions. Try it - it works!
All of the above was the government doing over the last 14 years.... I think
@@BBBCP-564pawytWELL SAID 👍
She must bring energy prices down to below pre-covid levels, to balance this out!
Labour always screws the pensioner
What’s your actual evidence for that rather bizarre statement?
@robertgroom4406 Perhaps it's his personal experience along with other older people!
Where is your evidence for his comment being bizarre 🙄
Illegal immigrants will keep warm and have 3 meals a day, at the cost of our own pensioners. Makes sense.
I think you will find the UK has shovelled sooo much money at pensioners in recent years the UK birthrate has tanked and so the UK is in desperate need of immigrants to supply the labour the economy needs. 1/5 of the UK population is over the age of retirement, and biggest bill to the treasury is the pensions bill. The NHS spends 1/3rd of its budget keeping over 80's alive for 3 years longer.
@@TW19567 Thank you.
Someone with a brain. they not cutting the winter fuel for the needy elders.
Lot's of elders are homeowners with no mortgage or rent to pay that don't need the extra cash.
Upped the pay to people that care for them like doctors. Do you want a winter fuel bribe or a faster appointment with a Doctor when you really are in need?
Looking to close tax loopholes for those that can afford to use them. That's why the press are on the attack!
@TW19567 These Pensioner's have paid into the systems all there lives,paid there tax! unlike the thousands coming into this Country who pay nothing and get everything free! How about looking after our own people first! Governments of this Country are Traitors to their own people.Abolish the bloated House of Lords!
@@TW19567 Yes - quite right. I'm sick of moaning pensioners featherbedded by the working young [of whom they have nothing good to say]. Before anyone accuses me of being ageist I should point out I'm 71. Pensioners have had substantial real rises in their income - including those who are billionaires, millionaires, those who own second homes and have investments, whilst those in work have had stagnant incomes for many years. The only pensioners who should get increases are those with only the state pensions to live on. The rest, including me, should take a hit.
@TW19567
I get you're yet to reach retirement age???
Totally disagree with your unlawful comments, and I'm sure others will too.
I've worked and paid my fair share of taxes and paid my NI stamps for 51 years, NEVER been out of work, so feel your comments totally unjustified.
Lets see how the situation transpires over the following months, when 'Random' Reeves and the rest of her party 'sort' things out.🤔
Pensioners will be freezing cold this winter while migrants will be nice and toasty warm in their hotels Labour are disgusting.
I'm a pensioner and I'm not rich but I don't need a fuel allowance and neither do most of the pensioners living nearby - some of them get a new car every 3 years or so and only use it to go 1/2 mile down the road to get their newspaper! Giving money to people that clearly don't need it is ridiculous.
By all means give a fuel allowance to those - including some pensioners - that are actually in need.
@@adrianwright8685 NOT ALL pensioners get PIP Motability. so don't tar all with same brush, But sounds you are a little jealous of them
@@adrianwright8685 sounds to me you got it very easy, unlike many others.
@@markhorney7625 I am fairly comfortable - certainly not worried about enough money to pay fuel bill. That's my point ! - I don't need it - and nor do many others BUT there are plenty who do need extra cash. Why not give more to all of them and not to people like me?
a number of pensioners that really don’t need the winter fuel money donate it to age concern and various other charities so they too will be missing out. In the scheme of things that winter fuel payment can be a life saver for many compared to the illegal migrants it’s a drop in the ocean. Labour get out now.
Never trust labour...
Well at least they are trying to get us out of the dire economic mess .caused by, brexit, croneyism and mis spending on fantasy projects such as HS2.
Never trust a Brexitier!
@@user-uv8bv4dm9fNever trust Tory or Labour
What you saying,trust Reform,Tories 😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh ok 😂😂😂😂😂
@@user-uv8bv4dm9f What about the lockdowns during Convid. The economy should never have been locked down.
Well done Labour, took less than 4 weeks to show your true colour. Good luck to their 9 million voters, they need it soon enough.
Agree
@@nizviz Yes, the Evil party.
Pensioner were warned but GREED COVERS MORE
@@kevinbraley9143 what are you talking about?
Turn out of voters for labour was a lot lower compared last election. They only won because the public is divided and voted for other parties like green, lib dems, reform.... Me thinks next GE the labour turn out will be much lower and these other parties will gain some more seats putting the popularity of labour at risk. Reform might get another 4-8 seats, lib dems and greens will most definitely get more of the labour voters to get more seats.
They aren't off on a good start 😂
Winter fuel payment gone, pension lump sum next, life time allowance to restrict how much one can put aside, then means testing to get state pension soon..People voted to give Labour a chance and this is what they will get in return.😮
It makes me sick , I voted Labour but not again.
Serves you right. Too late now
Next the tories you never learn
Did you think Labour would increase welfare support and so benefit you? Do you think a slight improvement in your living standard eg winter fuel allowance, is a small price to pay on increased immigration and living in a leftist society? It's ok then to vote Labour for winter fuel allowance in exchange for destroying the country and your kids and grankids futures. Well done!
Hammer pensioners because in general they are not Labour voters. Give Civil Servants above inflation pay rises because they are.
@@markaluge They are up north where I live. They always vote them in.
And? Haven't tories been doing the exact opposite for 14 years? About time the people who don't vote tory got some love.
You can't say in general oap are Conservative voters it probably depends on where you are in the country I'm in the north-east Labour always had strong support here that includes pensioners......
@@MySimDied She is hitting the same people that Brown and Blair robbed when they were working. Absolute disgrace she knew the figures before the election, a government cannot hide the figures as they don't produce them the civil service does.
@@pam164 Point taken
This payment was once a Year,a similar amount is spent every single day on illegal immigrants
I know bas....tards.....
WELL why didn't the TORY'S SORT IT THEN!... 14yrs NOTHING DONE!.
You’re telling lies!
These savings will recoup about 1.5 billion, this country DOES NOT spend 1.5 billion per day on asylum seekers!
If we had a decent pension in the first place we would not need all these add ons ,it is two tier already, if you are older you get £45 pw less
A lot us pensioners don't get a full state pension because we receive a small private pension which we pay tax on, either from previous works or from our late husbands works. Because of this private pension our state pension is reduced! we cant claim any benefits ie; pension credit, rent, council tax, because we get this private pension and now we are losing the heating allowance! Pensioners who are on benefits are better off than those of us who cant claim a penny!
By stopping the heating allowance most pensioners will suffer in the winter months trying to keep warm and we will struggle to pay our fuel bills. The cold weather can cause a lot of issues for us pensioners over the winter months where many are taken into hospital or die alone from hypothermia in their homes! We already have no social care! how much more is going to be taken from us?!
The winter fuel allowance should not be just for those who are claiming benefits but also those of us who are living below the bread line.
I would like to mention Keir Starmers words " Pensioners have nothing to fear from me"! Really???!!!!
Yes sadly there will always be those who fall through the net and others who end up being entitled to everything. Its disgusting private pensions are taxed. The threshold on receiving the winter fuel allowance should be reduced. Anyone who receives less than 25k, defo should be entitled to the fuel allowance. Government has penalised anyone who took the initiative and took out private pensions, when this should not be the case.
Pensioners without heating.
Illegals get free heating.
Injustice!
Not only free heating free rents, free council tax , free water, free gas and free electric .
Not bad is it
And free knives @@maxhobby1701
benefit cheats like you will get it!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 dint care last 14 years 😂😂😂 whens the doc appointment
Pensioners on means tested benefits will still qualify so what is your problem. I see you have used the opportunity to have a go at immigrant "bashing"- Reform supporter by any chance?
She is hammering pensioners. I know several with just over the basic pension and few savings and they will not get the fuel payment.
As you know but won't admit starmer and reeves love WEF and Davos and dislike the uk and the taxpaying citizens. I research starmer and just didn't like what I saw
That applies to the whole of those just voted into Westminster with the exception of the 5 Reform MP's
By 'your research' what you actually mean is that you believe all the unfounded conspiracy theory garbage you read on TikTok. I'm a pensioner & I definitely don't feel 'hammered'. What I need is a functioning NHS that is capable of looking after me in my advancing years, not the NHS the Tories bequeathed to us which simply lets us suffer in silence & in many cases, die!!
Starmer was an apologist for Jimmy Saville. Nothing surprises me!
@@Ann65. Of course he wasn't. Everyone with more than two brain cells knows that's completely false!
All pensioners who don't get the winter fuel allowance should simply just refuse to pay council tax, if there is millions of £s for illegals who have contributed nothing to this country then it's time for us pensioners to refuse to pay council tax.
Can I just say it's illegal immigrants ,and they do get more than people who have worked for pensions ,
@rachel-rb4bpI agree with both of you .....but it's outrageous that somebody that's just rocked up on the rubber dinghy gets money food clothes shelter is living in decent hotel in with heating, while someone who has worked all their life since leaving school and is still relatively poor will not get a bit of help to warm their home during the cold months......
The illegals get £40 a day to spend as they wish £280 per week £1000 per month every month tax free that’s more than I get and I eventually end up paying tax on mine when it is included with a small private pension,moral do not contribute to a private pension you will be punished by labour they hate anyone who has worked and provided for a bit security it’s not worth it unless you can hide it
Well give us the FACTS then! 'DON'T MAKE WILD STATEMENTS'...
So true
Can you point out where you got this information?
Simple way to save money stop paying £8 million a day for migrants staying in hotels, then pensioners could still get their cold weather payments and many more good ways in supporting those in need in this country. Labour's going to make matters alot worse.
You can blame the torys for that gem as the tory donors own the hotels
@@philiphockey7996 I agree their all corrupt.
Had Labour not opposed the Rwanda deal we would have deported hundreds and put people off of paying the gangs that Labour says it will destroy. They are living if fairy land Interpol has beed arresting the gangs for years.
@@philiphockey7996Tory/ Labour both cheeks of the same backside
Labour AREN'T going to make it worse you silly man!! They are going to start processing asylum applications PROPERLY. That way failed asylum seekers can be lawfully sent back to whence they came, quite lawfully & with no interference from the courts. This is how the system last worked under Labour, when we DIDN'T have hotels jam-packed full of migrants!!! This was a problem exclusively created by the Tories. Blame them for your disappearing winter fuel allowance!
There's only 12million people over 65 in Britain. I would love to know how many own their own house and private pension pots. Because by me most pensioners are on state pensions only and live in social housing. Many people don't know that they add lower birthrates into the equations when they say Britain has an aging population. Though they always have billions for foreign aid, conflicts and green energy. I give Labour under 18 months before people want them out.
More like 3 months.
We never wanted them in, all parasitic crooks!
@@ianrobert6239Should never have got in in the first place.
Your generous id say 6 months
The real problem is the 2.6 trillion pension liabilities of public sector pensions that are subsidised by the U.K. taxpayer, this has been crippling the U.K. economy for many years now.
@@davidfoster2006 she has probably been told to do this I think starmer could stop her but no ?
Cold winter for pensioners.
WArm rooms for economic migrants.
No! If you watched the report properly, it's pensioners who are on a better income and not on benefits who will lose it. I live in a favourite place for rich retirees, I am disabled and have to live on benefits. I don't get it anymore. The previous government changed the rules without any consultation and scrapped the winter fuel allowance for the most needy. I don't hear anyone talking about that!; she's trying to put it back and make it fairer. No-one was complaining about the total chaos of last years change. Where were you all to complain then..I have a heart condition,as well as others, and children. We had no heating all last year. But people like you don't care.
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tsSome pensioners don't get tax credits though they have a small pension that they have earned and it's they who will suffer.....they still are very low income but don't qualify for any help.... sometimes those who have tax credit pensions Have made very little contribution.... but they end up better off than people who have worked all their lives......
@@azillliasmith2734 there are always people left in a bad way when you change things. But last year's changes were just bizarre! The government took no advice,it was absolutely nothing to do with income,or health, age,factors that make a person vulnerable..it was postcode. Presumed age of house. And there was absolutely no publicity about the changes,so during record fuel prices we were simply left high &dry. My energy company couldn't explain why I, with multiple degenerative disabilities was left high and dry. Surely as a society it's the sick/disabled and little old ladies struggling to eke out their pensions that we want to help first? Isn't it?
Don't forget we is suffering for England's cousins in Ukraine 😢
That is NOT what she said,the pensioners on pension credits WILL still get it,do your homework or better still just LISTEN.
This useless woman needs to go. And I am being polite...
Liz Truss has already gone. Do try to keep up.
@@robertgroom4406 A disgruntled Conservative voter don't you just feel so sorry for them?
Look after the illegal immigrants the pensioners don't matter in this country
Why are you somehow twisting this to include immigrants?
No they don't,they are a burden on the hard working tax payer aswell as the state and it's services
@@user-uv8bv4dm9f are you for real 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly, why did the Tory's waste so many £bn on the Rwanda failed project.
And plenty of money for illegal migrants killers and Terrorists.
The oldest pensioners are on an even lower state pension already . If you have a small private pension you miss out on pension credit anyway . Many are widowed/widower , live alone , have to pay council tax etc . ...... and council tax for a single household should get a 50% reduction. not a 25% reduction . We're nowhere near having a living wage !!!
They've also kicked the Social Care Reform can down the road yet again ............absolutely disgraceful .
Why anyone let this cabbage to be in charge of finance bewilders me.
Learn to read then you will realize your the cabbage
The Labour voters did
Cabbage??? No, POS!!!!
@@terryloftus8626 Learn how to use the English language, did you mean to say you're or your? Perhaps it is clear who the cabbage is and it isn't me.
@@terryloftus8626YOU'RE a cabbage learn to spell.
Billions to give other countries to help them..BUT NOTHING FOR OUR PENSIONERS IN THE WINTER MONTHS. WHEN THEY NEED HELP....NEVER TRUST LABOUR. EVER.!!!!!!!
Pathetic comment.
I hope she is put into the state pension and she will be able to see how we live! She has no idea and needs to live like us! They have no idea and if they did, then they would be shocked! I challenge the labour government to live on a pension for two months!
Is she going to give compensation to the Waspi women who lost up to 6 years of state pension due to Maladministration! Disgusting this has dragged on!
DID THE TORY'S COMPENSATE THE WASPI WOMEN BY ANY CHANCE, NO THEY DIDN'T.
@@paulbird3235 No, and we are still fighting this. I waited an additional six years to receive my state pension as did many other women who had received insufficient notice of the change of arrangements or no notice at all.
@@SuperRosie123 My wife also lost six years!. But don't expect any compensation any time soon, but Jeremy Corbyn did say he would get this sorted!..
Did this guy say Reeves the robber is an intelligent person. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This country is now run by starmer and his bunch of clowns.
Its to pay for the immigration they are still allowing to enter county and the British people will loose more than money.
I predict that the poorer pensioners will hammer Labour at the next election.
They would have all died off from hypothermia by then
They probably want that! .
Oh yes they will pay dearly for this, Starmer and Co. will go down in history the worst Government the UK has ever had
Well the more that die from the cold, that's less pension to pay out for the government! Yes I am a pensioner worked all my life in very low payed jobs paid my tax and national insurance like every hardworking person, just have to vote labour out in the future. They are already going back on promises from just a few weeks ago but what's new, all politicians are the same! You cannot trust one word that comes out of their mouths!!!
Well that’s a really good start Rachel isn’t it. Go for the so called ‘rich’ pensioners. So much for the compassionate Labour Party
Her parents should disown her
She had parents? 😂😂
@@sylviawilkinson6874 unfortunately we got the one with the glitch. 😂😂😂
More people die of cold than they do of heat, mostly “moderate” cold, not extreme cold conditions. Anything either side of 18 degrees centigrade older people are especially at risk. In the U.K. this would include an increased risk of dying on days with a temperature of 10 degrees or 15 degrees. Sub optimal temperatures can lead to premature deaths from conditions such as cardiovascular, kidney disease, respiratory infections & diabetes. Older people sometimes don’t realise their temperature is dropping.
The government are aware of this so it’s surprising the winter fuel payment was axed. The Mortality insight report came out in April 2023. More excess winter mortality as a result of cold, not freezing but cold. ONS research stated there were 13,000 excess winter deaths during Winter 2021-2022. Time & time again it is found that low temperatures affect the mortality of the elderly. Heat , flooding,air quality& food availability are also likely to affect mortality but by far the greatest cause of premature deaths in the U.K. is moderate cold.
We are not living in Alaska for God's sake. Toughen up like our forefathers instead of being a bunch of wimps.
How on earth will all those pensioners in the House Of Lords on £350 to go asleep in there ever manage without an extra £6 per week (equivalent). I do fear for them, #PrayForTheLords
You make a good point. I have State Pension but a private pensuion as well and in truth always regarded the winter fuel payment as a contribution to the Christmas dinner! Okay no one likes to lose money but people need to realise Tory croneyism and mismanagement have caused an immense amount of harm to this country. The budget in October will be interesting.
@@user-uv8bv4dm9fthat's good for you .......but others have a small pension after working all their their lives and receive no tax credits or housing benefit or money off the council tax....that winter fuel allowance was really important to them....... Think I'd rather get rid of all the illegals rather than the House of Lords even though I'm not madly in love with them.....
@@azillliasmith2734 If their pension is small they may qualify for a means tested benefit- universal credit as an example so the fuel allowance will still be paid. You use the term "illegals" incorrectly, they are asylum seekers. If their case is judged to be bogus then they become "illegal" and face deportation.
@@user-uv8bv4dm9f Pensioners are not allowed to claim Universal credit.
As an American I can sadly assure you that you're not alone. Here, even a LOT of working citizens are homeless. Seniors whose taxes supported the nation are homeless in effort to afford medication.
MEANWHILE illegal aliens are well provided for AND a specific group of US-born citizens show up to welfare offices half an hour to closing In Their Pajamas Stinking Of Marijuana With Bloodshot Eyes.
The ONLY topic I'm likely to agree with Trump on is the one having to do with the LACK of Quality of illegals in our country.
Ok Boomer.
Your so correct my friend
About time why should all the members of parliament that are of pension age get winter full payments,they can more than afford to pay their own bills ,the people that don't need it won't get it and the people that do will,it needs to be means tested ,it use to infuriate my late mother in law ,she never understood why she would get this benefit when she was very wealthy and able to pay her own bills with no difficulty.
Good day to be a junior doctor......not so good if you are a pensioner! Gp's will be next out on strike for more money. What a disgusting bunch
The disgusting bunch are the CORRUPT PLOT TICIANS on all sides. 90k per year plus expenses for doing nowt putting it politely.
When she looked over the figures she didn't notice the winter fuel payments were missing from the totals? But after just noticing it she is going to scrap them straight away and not even consider rolling back anything else she has planned!
I was mocked and ridiculed when I told you that tory keir scammer would knife you. First cut is the deepest .
Around 10 million pensioners will lose their winter fuel payments under new plans announced by the chancellor.From this autumn, those not on pension credit or other means-tested benefits will no longer get the annual payments, worth between £100 and £300. Enjoy
They are not scrapping the payment.
They are restricting it to people on pension credit. That seens eminently sensible to me.
I will Sue this woman if my 93 year old Mother dies from cold this Winter 😡
So you have a lot of savings to blow on pointless and most likely inadmissible litigation? How about giving your mum some of your spare cash for her heating then?
@@brianeke2586 How about families of all the Covid victims suing Johnson and his cronies?
@@peterm7548 Perhaps she is thinking of the other pensioners too.
She had 93 years to save and invest for her retirement. Maybe this is a wake up call for those who go through life without planning for their future. Why should others pay tax from their income to support those in society who didn't give a damn.
I hope you do and wish you well, I am sure you would get crowd funding, this creature needs to be taken to court of human rights
Well done, Labour voters, I hope your grandparents don't freeze this winter, eh...
She has to fund the care and housing of Illegal Economic arrivals somehow, make the old people pay ….
Children could get free school meals, pensioners higher pensions to match European countries, nurses could get higher pay rise to retain them, more money to open more hospitals, improved social housing. No, the priority is escorting in hundreds and thousands illegal immigrants into 4* hotels to reach annual quotas.
Matching European countries? European Countries have immigrants as well and as you say rightly a higher standard of living. Our problem has been 14 years of Tory mis management which now has to be corrected and quickly.
£6.4 billion overspend and £700 on the Rwanda deal......14 years of shambles, give someone else a shot
@@user-uv8bv4dm9f "a higher standard of living" than the natives? Unbelievable.
Pensioners will choose heating or eating.
I'm one, aged 92, Parkinsons, paying for my own personal care. And I've just come I to tax. I must be warm or I dont move safely.
They are doing it already... This will tip millions over the edge, I'm afraid
@@maryminty5876hope you get a bit of money from somewhere ....it's miserable to be cold especially if you've got arthritis or something like that....❤.....
@@alanwilkinson9487it will ....just been on a discussion on Mumsnet... some really nasty people on there ......seem to be under the impression that pensioners are absolutely rolling in it and going abroad for the winter months...... I absolutely don't know anybody like that....... most people that I know are counting the pennies and doing really well with the small amount of money they have......and one off fuel payment was a real life saver.....
@@maryminty5876I made a comment it seems to have got deleted I've just said that hope you get a little bit of money from somewhere to keep warm basically ❤
Evil woman.
And you honestly believe that Hunt and his ilk had anyone but themselves in mind with their budgets? C'mon, get real!
@@BerniePottrell I’m now 76 and I know who has hammered pensioners most in my lifetime and the winner is --------- LABOUR 😂😂😂
@@user-vt5yd4od8m I'm in my 70's myself, so I have to disagree. The biggest blow to pensioners was delivered quite recently by that horrible Truss woman and her fiscally incompetent chancellor Kwarteng. Pension investments were decimated by their ill conceived mini budget.
Evil Brexitiers! Thats what you voted for!
@@MrOliver1444 Lol! That must be the most ridiculous case of blaming Brexit I've ever read.
We have to look after the illegal immigrants first 5 star hotel will not have the heating turned off.
you mean the tory hotels?
This is why I would never vote Labour.
They don’t need your vote.
@@robertgroom4406 They will in 4 years time.
@@donnaspeer2760 No, they still won’t. There will be more Labour voting young people who will have seen policies enacted to help them, while 20% of current Tory voters will be dead. I’m afraid you’re not going to see another Tory government for a very long time.
I'm a pensioner and I will lose the winter fuel payment cos I'm not on benefits. Unfortunately I'm not one of the 27% of pensioners who are millionaires. I don't know what percentage will still get the allowance but i bet it's quite high. I will miss the allowance but accept it is necessary. Just remember the tories gave millionaires winter fuel allowance...totally inept
so your saying like if a millionaire puts a pound in a slot machine and drops the jackpot he cant have it because he's a millionaire?
On another point you put "your" when you should have put "you're". A little grammar goes a long way
What little the pensioners have been given she is now taking away...............
NOBODY
Is against the Junior Doctors or any others in Employment who are entitled to overdue Rises that can be Afforded.
But taking from Pensioners to Fund Others is not the way to show appreciation to those who put in the Long Slog when they were Needed.
Labour are attacking those who have no way of hitting back until the Next Polling Day which come about.
most wont be around after this winter. so next election thy are safe
Imagrints and billions for Ukraine. Disgusting
Back in the 1930s people like you were complaining about Britain rearming.
Listen u wld not know what hit u if rusdia got into ujraine then moved into hungary without a battle. Wld not be long after that before u r under the rule of an autocrat. See what u think them.
And plenty of cash for mps on all sides.
Absolutely disgusting what is happening to our country, this is Absolutely criminal
If this is implemented it will mean I will be very cold this coming winter. 😢😡
Incidentally I voted Labour all my life, but will never again be voting for them.
Really ?
I don't believe you. The payment will still go to pensioners on pension credit. If you will no longer receive it, you must be on a certain level above that.
@@BBBCP-564pawytThe minimum wage thing is irrelevant. But, within the mathematics you gave, you could well be on the full state pension. The state pension is calculated to provide slightly over the minimum necessary. Pension credits top up for those who don't get the full pension. Tending to confirm your pension is about the full rate.
So why should you get more money ?
@@timg1246 My income is made up of the lower state pension and my small private pension. My income is just under £15,000 and I am not entitled to pension credit. I pay for my dental treatment and my glasses. But not to worry as long as we can fund 11.7 billion to other countries and 3 billion a year to keep the illegal immigrants in nice comfortable warm surroundings. As long as we can pay £330 a day for members of the House of Lords just for turning up or sleeping..
Get yourself some thick blankets and a large flask for tea.
Doctors get richer and pensioners get poorer.
Back to the bad old days of Blairism.
After Tony Blair's support of the war against Iraq many people stopped voting Labour. Anyone who has come back to Labour will be horrified that they are now picking on some of the weakest people in society.
One day she'll be a pensioner but she'll be alright jack. No one will even remember who she was.
All PLOT TICIANS are and will be ok ,we will suffer as usual.
All PLOT TICIANS are and will be ok,we will the ones who will continue to suffer.
They've made a huge mistake here. Yes, there are well off pensoners, who don't need it. My dad has a couple of work pensions and I know he doesn't need it. But, I really think they should have considered those who are just above the limit for claiming pension credit. They're effectively less well off than those on pension credit, who already get council tax reductions and any other things going, that are available to those on benefits. The govt need to be thinking of those on small works pensions, as they are actually poorer than those on pension credit.
She has taken money from pensioners to help house Migrants. I voted Labour, and now already I'm regretting it.
As a pensioner who voted for Labour have i made the biggest mistake of my life, I actually thought they were going to protect us.
I saw through them years ago. Voge Nigel next time always assuming we survive.
If you are going to lose the payment, your total income must be above the level to be in reciept of pension credits. In other words, you don't need it.
I am a pensioner. I don't need it either.
@KevinSmith-ki7yl You needed to listen with the ears and eyes. Anyone could see what they were going to do. Thanks to people like you, we are stuck with them for 5 years.
All pensioners out there let's protest.. I will not come 2nd class to immigrants who get more to live on than the state pension we as UK citizens get or free heating 5hat I should get. We have another parliament that is going to side with giving these immigrants freebies. While we the English get pushed further to the back.
@@francesjacques7118You mean the better off pensioners should protest. Because those on pension credits will still get the payment.
What will your slogan be ?
Perhaps 'Arise, people on a decent pension, you only have a small payment you don't really need to fight for".
Not exactly catchy.
She sounds as if she doesn't wantbus to live through the winter. I so hurt at 92 that the gobernment doesnt link hyperthermia with excess deaths in winter. Looks like eexare paying for the doctors that we cant get appointments with to have a rise. When we die this year they get yo keep.our pensions too.
You mean HYPOthermia
What you old people deserve for voting for Brexit.
@@keithbaxby6556 sorry
@@MySimDied what makes you think I did, you are making broad brush assumptions about my contemporaries born in the 1930s. We had our childhoods sacrificed for Europe. Learn about the 90 year olds, we are the last of the best, take your time to learn how tightly we manage our budgets and dont have credit cards. It is these Oldies she will hit, like me, just that smidgen over the figure required. I buy my own spectacles, pay my dentist policy....yes, I've kept my teeth, pay my social care, have to have a woman to keep my garden tidy and will now br selling my home of 50 years which my devoted husband built to pay his Nursing home fees.where will I go, no children and trying to work it out is killing me. Yes, and I am computer literate and pay for my internet connection and pendant alarm system . I get nothing. And I do without basics. So please, dont tar us with your ignorant brush.
@@MySimDied Not all pensioners voted for Brexit.
Here we go, pensioners are not 'working people'!
Nor are the layabouts living on the dole
No but I worked right up to becoming a pensioner. The taxes I paid helped pay the pensions of those older than me. Just as those younger than me pay taxes that help with my pension. That's how the system works
Last time they were in power I lost part of my pension. After all according to various radio programmes it is very popular to hammer pensioners.
Why ìs she hammering pensioners i can solve problem 1stop paying for house of lords .2 stop giving millions to france .3 stop giving billions in foreign aid 4 stop paying millions out for ilegal migrants ,why dont they stop playing the blame game and get on with the job to help the people of this great country
Many thanks Rachel Reeves we the pensioners of this country will remember how you have treated us,you had other options to balance the books but you will in time regret your actions.
Yet she’ll have plenty of funds to give to Zelensky and Netanyahu while pensioners freeze. She’s even going to give junior doctors 22% pay rise. Maybe she’ll start taxing disability benefits like DLA and PIP to pay for that one. Most pensioners on the full state pension don’t and can’t get pension credit because it is a few pounds over the limit. If your weekly income to £218.15 if you’re single or your joint weekly income is £332.95 if you have a partner, anything over this you’re not entitled to pension credit.
How can Reeves say, the figures are worse than anyone thought. Can no one count or read budgets? It was common knowledge in the UK, after all, new GDP figures are published by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) every month. However, quarterly figures - covering three months at a time - are considered more important. They had all these figures in front of them. They also had another set of figures from The Office for Budget Responsibility. Obviously she chose to ignore these statics and their warnings and feed the general public a diet of verbal diarrhoea and hope we’d swallow it hook, line and sinker, which we all did.
Again it is the poorest in society that is being raided to pay the costs of Labours shenanigans. Can we ask for a refund or a rerun so that Labour can spout out some truths.
Income tax rises are the fairest way to pay for these shortfalls and everyone pays their share from rich to poor. Put up the top tax bracket by 2p-5p, put up national insurance. But! Stop making the poorest in society even poorer and making them pay for wars we can’t afford, asylum seekers we can’t afford. Charity begins at home. Looks like Labour could be a one term government.
They are not even asylum seekers, they just like to call them that to justify the billions they are costing us.
The poorest in society were also suffering under the tories.
@@annemoncrieff3875 and now the poorest in society are suffering under Labour. People were warned not to give them their vote or give them enough votes that they could ride rough shot over anyone putting up an argument to bin this policy. Labour aren’t the same labour older adults would vote for, they’re more conservative and will basically follow Tory policies because big business and Friends of Israel will be dictating their policies, just like in America, though we’re just not as bad as that lot, yet.
I’m convinced they’ll also either start taxing PIP or go down the Tory voucher route. Watch this space when it comes to hammering the poorest in society, they’ll know no bounds and spin it as all the fault of the Tories. Also, don’t forget she’s given the doctors a 22% pay rise that the poor will need to pay for and that’s only the beginning. She’ll have nurses, teachers, firefighters, police etc. looking for similar rises. Maybe they should stop falling America and their proxy wars. She found billions to give to Zelensky, how much will that corrupt nation take out of that money to fill their own pockets when they all decide to flee to their nice houses they built abroad. They’re also giving funds to Genocide Netanyahu and yet they’ll let poorer pensioners and the disabled freeze. As for having GB energy how many billions will that cost and who is really going to profit from it? The SNP tried that one but a black hole was swallowing up too much money and they soon ditched that plan.
What a pathetic attack,Thunderer radio obviously has little to talk about
The winter fuel allowance should be focused, and I say that as a 71 year old pensioner. What should be universal is child credit and taxed at only the highest level. We should be thinking about supporting families more as they struggle to survive.
"The Labour Cuts" begin.
I was mocked and ridiculed when I told all that tory keir scammer would knife you. First cut is the deepest .
Around 10 million pensioners will lose their winter fuel payments under new plans announced by the chancellor.From this autumn, those not on pension credit or other means-tested benefits will no longer get the annual payments, worth between £100 and £300. Enjoy
The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch, Nuff said.
And that makes what Rachel Reeve said in parliament a complete myth?
I do hope Rupert won't lose his winter fuel payment, that would be tragic.
Typical of any goverment make the wealthy wealthier, and the poor poorer
My wife and I are pensioners on a combined income of £1800 per month. We are not labour supporters but agree with Reeves. Why should taxpayers benefit those pensioners who clearly are nowhere near the poverty line. Means testing is the only fair way to determine if financial help is appropriate. While Reeves is about it, how about scrapping child benefit for those who clearly do not need it. In any case, why should the taxpayer have to pay for the upkeep of other peoples children. If you cannot support your own kids don't have any. Also, scrap unemployment benefit for those able bodied youth who refuse to look for work or at least make them "earn" benefits by putting them to work within their local communities.
Halve that income if you are a single pensioner receiving no top up. It doesn't look so pretty
Someone needs jailing for corruption
The question is: which pensioners will get the payment and which will not. If those who need it, get it, and those who do not, do not, is this a problem? I reserve judgement until I see the outcome.
They are complaining because better off pensioners will not be getting an un-necessary benefit. Pensioners on pension credit will still get a winter fuel payment. I am a pensioner. I don't need it.
It all seems rather disingenuous to me.
The benefit system should assist the poorest, not be a free for all no matter what.
@timg1246 absolutely, agree with your statement.
@@timg1246 Correct- I have enjoyed the end of year financial top up, but did I need or depend on it? Well in all honesty no.
If pensioners get more than £218 per week can not get pension credits so will lose fuel allowance
How about stopping funding of the Ukraine war. Why isn't that spend coming under scrutiny?
Wheres the backlash from the hundreds of Labour MP's on punishing pensioners.The party of the ordinary person is an absolute joke.More pain to follow & further misery to be heaped on people. 😂😂😂
Just think Rachel Reeves, one day you will be a pensioner?
If you're a pensioner on an income below the benefits threshold, you continue to get the winter fuel payments. Pensioners who need it will still get it. I'm a pensioner above the threshold so I will lose it. Do I feel "hammered"? Not even slightly.
She will be OK for the time that she becomes a pensioner she will have had enough experience payed to her to live the high life.
And she has taken the sensible decision that she will not need the payment herself. Good. Lots of pensioners have a comfortable income. They don't need benefits.
Are you joking? Her nest's already feathered for the future!
They all have their snouts in the trough.
Like to see her live on what some pensioners get. Stop giving money to other Countrys.
Disgusting. Why not scrap Net Zero; then the books will easily be balanced and energy bills will fall. Millions of pensioners will be regretting having voted Labour.
I hope you haven't got any kids - they're the ones that will suffer from climate change.
Why not have net zero gimmegrants?😊
You obviously have no children as you don't care about their future.
The Labour party don't have too much concern for the Pensioners, they stopped the Rwanda flights. They seem more concerned supporting the illegal immigrants and we are getting the increased tax to pay for it all. They should be looking after their own Citizens!
Pensioner on pensions credits are the ones that were on benefits or could not be bothered to go the work, yet these people are better looked after many private sector workers on a modest state pensions.
We did work……… day and night , 24 hours on call . Nurse, taxi driver ,the maker and keeper of precious memories, teacher, comforter,story teller, chef , monster killer ,life coach and friend . We were mothers staying home to bring up a family . Wash your mouth out
Oh and cleaner
@@JillGalloway-lg7wh I'm gen x, I did all that also as well as working full time nights and pay into a private pension!
I’m 76 a pensioner and I don’t blame Ms Reeves for taking away my fuel allowance. It’s the Tories trickle down policies that make such actions necessary. I’m not being hammered even though my pension is not large, amounting to much less than the minimum wage for a 40 hour week.
Yet the gave £45 million to your king😂😂😂😂
😠
The monarchy won't be there when it's becomes a Islamic state
Thanks Rachel for causing the black hole deficit because its Labour who introduced the Winter Payment in 1997. Its always the pensioners that get the blame and will lose out.
Was we expecting anything else, but they keep telling pensioners the pension is a benefit surely this means they are still entitled to it. 🤔
It is a benefit. As is the winter fuel payment. Why should that payment go to well off pensioners ?
Pensioners on pension credit will still get the payment.
State Pension is not means tested benefit- it is generated by national insurance contributions. People on means tested benefit such as universal credit will qualify.
@@timg1246 You cant claim pension credit if you have a full state pension regardless if you are in the fortunate position of having a private pension. That means people on pension credit who get top ups equivalent to the State pension get any full benefits and the person who only has the state pension to live on loses out.
Pensioners are an easy target. The idiots in the House of Lords, should not be allowed to claim over £200 per day just for turning up the6 should not receive any expenses.
Migrants in hotels wont go cold this winter, AREN'T THEY LUCKY
Labour to introduce 8% National Insurance Tax on Private Pensions of Pensioners, why is no one taking about this ??
The public sector pay rise will cost over 10 billion along with the foreign aid budget this is a self inflicted blackhole.
The under-50s had a decade and a half of 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' ' get on your bike' 'better cut back your spending' 'should have saved more' whilst their services and conditions were gutted. Wonder where that went.
Im a pensioner and I get more then enough money each month from my occupational pension. I don't need the winter fuel allowance which remains available to poorer pensioners on benefits. Thats as it should be.
Absolutely. My wife and I don’t need the winter fuel allowance either. It should be given only to the pensioners that need it.
A lot of pensioners don’t need the fuel payment but I think it could have been targeted to the people who do need it rather than just stopped altogether. 😕