Sensible Soccer Series Review and Retrospective (Long version) - Kim Justice
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The audio has been majorly screwed up (by TH-cam) on the Sensible Soccer videos for a long time. This should fix that! And instead of uploading all four parts individually, I've put them all together. Anyway, this is a review covering all the Sensible Soccer games, and then some - the original Sensible Soccer on Amiga, the games that led up to Sensible Soccer, Sensible World of Soccer, Sensible Soccer '98, Sensible Soccer 2006, and finally the updated/modern versions of SWOS. It's pretty hefty! Enjoy!
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You might get a sense of deja vu here, but the first long version that I uploaded was hit by a copyright claim, literally due to stock music from one of the adverts that I stuck in as a stop-gap between two of the parts. And so, here it is again with the offending music removed!
+Kim Justice Worst case scenario is when your video gets flagged for something that isn't even to do with your video, it was just some "filler" you added. Almost the same as when you're in a youtube debate with someone and you try to make all your points and then the guy only responds to something that you didn't even mean to say, that didn't even have anything to do with any of the points you were making lol!
+ChildOfTheSun32 like making a comment that has little to nothing to do with the video or what the original comment t was?
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Cory Goodman I was commenting on how he was saying his content got flagged for a copyright claim and I commented on that. Maybe re-read things before you comment, to make sure you're managing to keep up.
my friend did the music for this game! he loves your channel!
When you played England 1966 vs Germany 1966 in Sensible Soccer the game became black and white. Nice touch. I liked Sensible for those fun touches but loved Kick Off more for the realism / simulation it had. So much of my childhood was wasted playing Microprose, Subbuteo, Kick Off, Player Manager, Kick Off 2, and Sensible....oh and Wizball (I'd forgotten about that until this video - It came with my Amiga). Great days. Thanks for the video.
Great series. The effort you must put into these is phenomenal.
I think you're right with Doom, my brother was at university in '93. He bought a PC - Gateway, because back then, there were grants. As soon as I saw Doom, I was blown away, I was about 11 at the time. Could not believe the graphics, and at the same time arcade games like Ridge Racer, Virtua Fighter, even Starfox on the SNES were propagating. I had a Amiga 500 with the 512KB upgrade to 1MB. Sensible World of Soccer was amazing, couldn't get on with Kick Off, yet Premier Manager was my favourite management sim, all of the upgrades / ticket prices / sponsorship. Champ` Manager came along, but i don't have the same memories as taking Macclesfield up the table, then probably becoming a manager of another club.
Your bit on Sensible World of Soccer has just blown my mind. It will take the rest of the day for me to get my head around this.
In 1992, the headline "Sensible Soccer will last you as long as the Amiga does" was a rather unfortunate choice... :)
Though, in a kind of ironic double bluff, it was completely off the mark. Sensi still going strong!!
It seems that SWOS inspires the same kind of love for soccer that Tecmo Super Bowl created for american football. Fans updating rosters and creating customization and improvement options constantly. Sure is nice to see, even if I don't care for soccer one bit.
How have only just found this video, favourite game of all time, wish one of the bigger events like revival would organise a sensi tournament
Would love a Birmingham, villa match ..might see u one day at one steve ..KRO 💙 lol
That was liquid football! Thanks for another awesome review Kim!
Thank you this is brilliant, the hours I spent on this game, not a moment wasted. So many memories, in 10 seasons I took Barnet from the third division to 3 times European champions.
Ahhhhhhh curling in those long shots into the top corner from the halfway line the feels people the feels xD
Wish my Amiga still worked just so I can play World of Sensible soccer and Cannon fodder again. Class video by the way!
As someone who utterly detests association football, but always had a soft spot for the glorius Sensible Soccer series, I thank and salute thee for thy there luvly retrospective :-) .
Ive only just realised that "Striker" is NOT Sensible Soccer.
I had them mixed up in my mind for years.
Thanks Kim!
Fantastic video. Brings back great memories thank you
Been watching this over the past few days on my commute to work and was a real blast from the past. I literally grew up with this game and I still think it’s the best ever football game ever. A few years back I did have a blast on the pc emulation with updated teams and it was amazing. Thanks for an amazing video and gave me some memories especially with the coverdisks. My kids now playing PS5 will never appreciate the awesomeness of the C64 and Amiga back in the day. What a childhood 😊
SWOS was a remarkable idea, unthinkable today.
Very nice, love these long videos. It's like watching a documentary on TV, only that it's actually interesting.
I've been brought here by stumbling on the first in the four videos; have thoroughly enjoyed the lot. Affectionate and informative - this is ideal viewing for us old guard. Thank you!
I had all Sensi footy games on Amiga, incl all add-on discs, all magazine cover mounted add-on discs, hey still got all of those. First favourite football game for me was Commodore's International Soccer on cart, 1983, classic
Hey Kim, this video... or rather documentation is really awesome. Great work!
Sensible Soccer was the best soccer game of the computer 16 bits Age. It was great to see included Tehkan's World Cup, in 1985 it was the state of the art of Soccer games (Sport games for all that matter...). First game on the arcades that I spent money on, oh the memories... Best video ever on this topic! Congratulations :)
Thank you for this excellent reprise as always. Brilliant work. This game deserves its place in history. It really is the most fun on the Amiga and it was so addictive. The easiest single player goal method for me was running at one the posts then kicking the ball with a small swerve. This method enabled me to win many games. Well until my brother learned the same trick on two player. SWOS certainly fixed that to a certain extent with better goalkeepers. But it was still a good way to score. I'd love to play it again.
20:07 - this advert was the one that i saw just before i got my amiga...i'm so glad you've shown it, i haven't seen this since then...!!!
I broke both my joystciks on the first day I played Microprose Soccer. It was miles above anything else. And I am proud to say my kids started playing Sensible Soccer today. Great video Kim!
Damn, your dedication to, and love of, games is highly admirable.
I loved Sensible Soccer back in the day (not as much as you, clearly :P). I only had the Mega Drive version, but it was a hell of a lot of fun, especially with a friend. I remember massively pissing off my opponent once, actually, when I made it my aim to have as many of my players sent off as possible, just to see how many I could get my team down to. I was playing as Anderlecht; I still remember that for some reason.
Also, Sensible Soccer represents the first time I really became aware (and fond) of specifically British culture (I'm Australian). I didn't get many of the references in the 'joke' team and player names they had, and researching them really put me in touch with British slang and pop culture, and made me fall in love with it (I'm a huge Anglophile, it's one of the main reasons I've loved watching your videos so much).
I've just bought this for the 360 and holy fucking shit! It's as good as I remember
Outstanding documentary on the greatest footie game..!
Sensible Soccer was one of those games I always heard about as a kid but unfortunately didn't really get to play. I recall perhaps having a go with it around my Uncles house but thats it. We didn't get a computer at home till 2002 haha. There was a pretty great clone though done on the Net Yaroze which was included on that certain Playstation Magazine demo that I played quite abit of.
Superb video Kim!
This was a great video. Thanks, Kim. Being younger I had honestly never even heard of Sensible Soccer. May have to check out that updated version on PC.
Wow, as much as I loved SWOS as a kid, I never thought a video over the length of an hour on said topic could hold my interest. How wrong I was...
Great documentary Kim, an old classic. On the Spectrum the best footie game by a mile is Emlyn Hughes International Soccer, super game. Just downloaded SWOS for Xbox, haven't played any Sensi since 96 on Snes. should be fun.
+1 for Emlyn Hughes International Soccer. I easily put hundreds of hours into that game on my ZX +2
Oh, AC Milan's team, 51:08, so many memories.
I really enjoyed this one thanks Kim, I dont even like footbal but you made it intersting!
Kimble's first quote in this vid says it all, yes, the Amiga has been officially dead for fifteen plus years, but I also still am a massive fan! Although I use a laptop for most things (internet) and a PS3 for games, but I still have an ancient classic A1200 with some mod-cons, DVD and USB for memory sticks et al.. I use the Amiga to do cartoon animations, which I have uploaded to my own TH-cam channel
The research and effort that went into this video is great! Love it. Sensi is and always will be the goat.
Brilliant work. I loved all the games but SWOS 96/97 is superb. I hit the like button.
Amazing documentary....brings back so many good memories...swos is still the best
2021 swos crew
Thanks for doing this. Really hit my unexpected nostalgia buttons
This review sold me on buying SWOS 96/97 on Good Old Games. Still getting used to the player switching (since it's the PC version you can't always see where you're going to be next) but I'm sure I'll be at least mediocre if I keep at it.
copyrights with the music or with the game itself?
retrovideogamejunkie Just the music on one of those Amiga adverts.
My dad found an Amiga 600 and 1200. Broken but he managed to mix the parts together and it miraculously worked. Only for 600 games but it worked.
Gosh that Amiga advert brings back memories.
20:07..... oh god the cheese in that advertisement is strong.... but so epic.
Sensi does have hotspots, you could score from the halfway line in a certain spot everytime.
SWOS is still the best football game for me if Fifa would sort it's career mode that might change but they sure more interested in selling ultimate team packs now
For me it is one of two greatest games. sensi was awesome (and i was a master!!) but i also loved ISS on the N64. it was a class game.
Fifa isn't in the same league. They just can't replicate how good Sensi is, no matter how much realism and graphics they throw at it!
An average career mode in FIFA still makes it better than sensible
Sensible Soccer's style and gameplay are a genre by itself. It was perfect, only needed small progressive improvements to survive. But not changing how it works. They should have never gone 3D neither change the style at all. The style was the main thing making it adorable. The attempt to change was their demise. They should have looked for the kind of subtle improvement as it was done in the XBox Live version (too late). Modern enhancement without changing the style, was the right way. Keeping the style, all career/league features and updated players. Improve elsewhere. Being visually simple as it was, by now it could be playable even in the browser, could have become the standard to play soccer online, and make loads of cash in merchandising.
Loved your video by the way, thanks for it. I just was surprised how you managed to have any positive light to shed on the 2006 version. Are you sure it deserves it so much? For me the 1998 was just a shot in the foot, but the 2006 version, man that one was straight ridiculous with those big 3D heads. Sensi is about little pixel players... and the gameplay and control action was too different. Wish we could get a new version like the XBox version, but updated and if possible with good P2P, and for normal computers, PC & Mac. Using Emulators leaves us in the underworld.
International Superstar Soccer deluxe on the SNES was better
I reallty think Sensible Soccer 2006 is a pretty good game. Could never understand the hate it gets. It's not SWOS for sure, but it's a solid, fun game and even better with 2 players.
Btw Kim what kind of controller do you use to play sensi and Amiga games above all? I'm sorry but I cannot adapt to revered joysticks like the competition pro and zip stick AT ALL. Gotta be a mega drive pad if anything for me...
Wow Kim Justice - this is just ultimate :)
@7:40, I like how the wear on the printing gives a glance of the preferred usage!
2P more worn off than 1P, left Button more worn than right, and the pattern around the trackball leaves a field open to research :)
As for the 'Doom' thing, Dungeon Master on the Atari ST was the first real big thing. Hell, I knew people who owned Amigas go out and buy an Atari ST, just to play Dungeon Master!
Kimble, what are your feelings about the excellent soccer games SNK made for the NEO GEO? I had a tourney at my house recently with Super Sidekicks 3 and was shocked at how well it's held up.
Did you play (or even know of) a 1986 Imagine game called _Super Soccer_ (not to be confused with the SNES game of the same name)? Although its deadly slowness and tricky-to-get-used-to controls hampered its enjoyment, this game predated _Kick Off_ in that it had fouls, yellow/red cards (and the resultant sendings-off in the case of red cards, although in _Super Soccer_ the sent-off player simply disappeared instantly) and the ball did not stick to your feet in that game either. There was also something akin to after-touch in the game - another thing that would later become standard in acclaimed footie games.
Back in 1994-5 ( i was 14-15) i can remember myself as something of a God in Sensible Soccer !!
i had reached a point where i could win easily most of the opponents !!
Having that in mind , i faced a serious ... shock when i recently rebought this game from gog. I couldn't even control the ball !!! made me realise how much i have changed !!
Loved this game sooo much as a young kid , i still consider it perhaps the most timeless football game in history (*alongside Championship manager series ... perhaps )
--P.S. Clarification : I never used Amiga , i played the DOS version on PC ( *yes , i was on the ... enemy's side , lol* !! ) , that's why i'm somewhat disappointed for not mentioning the PC-DOS version in this video .
Still , great video for a great game.
For me, best two player game on the Amiga was.... SPEEDBALL 2.......but that's probably because I'm not into football, which is a shame. I'm sure Sensi would have been an amazing game if me and my bro were into footie, and I was fully aware of its pedigree as I was an avid Amiga Power reader (and occasionally other mags!). Alas, 'cos I've never been a fan of the beautiful game I guess I've missed out on something wonderful😔 (and some potentially great two player awesomeness)
SWOS is the only football game I'll play.
Epic documentary for this gem of a game. Watching it while trying to decide what transfers to make at 2023 update 😉. ✌️
DINO DINOS GOAL. The fist footy game to get the audio right. It felt like the crowd were actually watching the game. They had proper chants and they got more excited the closer you got to the opposition box. When you missed by an inch or hit the post they went..YEAHHHHH...OOOOHHHHHHH!! FIFA still cant get that right.
The ball doesn't stick to your feet on the Megadrive version if you set the difficulty to hard.
Can't watch this again so soon mate, but gotta give it a view and a like to support the channel.
Excellent job! Watching this in 2017, I wonder what is the recommended route to play SWOS today?
Still the best football game ever made. Such a pure football experience.
Great video! I only ever knew the SNES version, still playing it now and, for me, it's the best footie game ever. Now I need to seek out swos!
thank you :) we all gota love sensi
Mege lo mania wow forgot about that one great game
Tekhan World Cup really does highlight just how much of a ripoff World Cup Italia 90 on the MD was of it.
worth a follow up now that Sociable Soccer will be early access on steam in a few hours?
Great video Kimble. I wasted so many days playing Sensi and SWOS. I might have to download the version from the German website.
Awesome video! I'm not that much of a sports fan, but thanks to your video, I might have to try out SWAS sometime.
Nice Work! really impressive research! well done.
thats shit you got a copyright claim.
one of the best retro channels on here, top quality.
Whow hey now... Jaguar has more then just Tempest 2000!
Syndicate, Doom and Wolf 3D are all great ports, Alien vs Predator! Theme Park is pretty good slowdown aside... though... Alright fine the console is a junker.
But... Nostalgia man... I grew up with that thing! never had a N64 or Saturn when I was a kid, I was that one kid with the Jaguar.
Love the review though Kim, great stuff! Also gotta love the fans of the game, have a similar thing going with Warhammer: Dark Omen!
Ahh,,the good old days!
You were either Amiga or Atari ST. Atari all the way for me :D
Absolutely brilliant thank you Kim Justice
I have never liked football but thoroughly enjoyed this video! Three cheers for Kimble Justice! Hip Hip...HOORAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!
Amazing video. Brings back lots of memories of a great set of games and just shows no need for micro transaction shit. Again great video.
I know you're not a c64 fan Kim, but emlyn hughes international soccer is the greatest football game of all.
It's a pity it seems to be completely forgotten or ignored these days, although it definitely wasn't an influence on sensi.
I was a big fan of the too, Still got it in the attic. I remember printing off stats from it on the dot matrix printer at home 😄
Great video here, really enjoyed it. Kick Off 2 will always be my no1
Hi Kim, fantastic video, I'm surprised you didn't mention Total Soccer that was a tech demo developed on Net Yaroze on a Play demo disk. If you need anymore info, happy to help.
How did you record this...??
+Kim Justice
Have you ever thought about pitching your content at a British TV company? Your content is fucking outstanding.
Some might call a score of 75-0 to the Czechs some measure of revenge...
Brilliant work.
What is the name of the song that plays during the intros and outros in this vid? Something, something "superstar hero"?
Found it myself - Goal Scoring Superstar Hero: th-cam.com/video/8eBqIXjj4a8/w-d-xo.html
Microprose soccer was brilliant . KJ when will you do the story of Microprose. As you probably know it was a US company but had UK office in Tetbury Gloucestershire
Having played all the classic footie games at the time, my favourite was Goal. It was flawed by it's auto shooting, but we just used to play gentlemanly and not do it where possible. Other than that it was better in every respect than SS - more configurable, better views, passing was better, better aftertouch. I think it's a great combo of kick off 2 and SS, but you did have to tweak the options in terms of game speed and zoom level to suit.
Used to love Tekhan World Cup. Top down tabletop cabinet on Brighton Pier. Great game :)
Wrong. There is no pier in Brighton.
@@lucasoheyze4597 there are two. Granted, the West Pier burned down but the Palace Pier is still there.
@@SlackrUk Wrong
@@lucasoheyze4597 enjoy your day. Try reading a book some time.
what's the music at 13:40 ???
Turrican
what's the game at 1.48????? I remember it from when I was a kid but the name escapes me!
Dino Dini isn't Dutch! He's English and his parents are Italian
It's the ball control: Nothing since has quite revolutionised Football gaming like ball control in Sensi did and I'm not sure anything can. Games like Pro Evo picked this up and did some interesting stuff, but the cold truth is that there's just no way to compare a game that operated with eight directional inputs and two buttons to one that's operated with ten buttons and multiple, analogue directional controls.
By evolving the technology and giving players so much close control, we've actually lost what made Sensi above all else so fun: It's accessibility. Part of what made it fun was that anyone could pick it up and play, and whilst you could get good you were very much still at the mercy of your limited controls. This kept the barrier of entry appropriately low, and prevented the game from becoming stale - and of course, probably resulted in more than a few joysticks broken in frustration.
Was always Juvenes from San Marino. Would turn them into a more dominant European team than Real Madrid. Love SWOS!!!!!!!! Best. Game. Ever. p.s. it helped that one of the programmers was a big Norwich City fan.
I must have gone through 4 or 5 joysticks playing this game
Who do you support Kim?
I'm gonna make 2 guesses,
The orient are the most likely suspects or maybe West Ham! Surely not Southend?
why play the music from the last ninja during a footy game?
This might sound like a heresy to some people, but I think I've found my Sensi-game, and it is the MegaDrive version! (I've been playing the PAL International version.) The Amiga version might be better in every way, but I'm just totally and helplessly shit at it. I don't think I've ever managed to score a goal against the computer, and I've tried, hard. I played the MD version and it was surprised to realize that it was actually too easy on beginner, so I had to up the difficulty. After that I played the world cup, and that was the most fun I've had with a sport game like, ever (maybe topped by two-player Ice Hockey & Super Spike V'Ball on the Nes, couldn't say.) Been playing a bunch of matches after that too. I just tried SWOS on Amiga again, and I think (?) that I've improved a little. Still couldn't score a goal in Finland - San Marino match, but I didn't get oblitarated either, so maybe the MD one could be kind of a gateway drug to harder Sensi for me. Plus I can play the MD one on the go with my PSP, so that's awesome. I think it's a very enjoyable port for me.
I don't believe for a second that the zoomed out camera was a conscious design choice for the reasons you mentioned. It's just the same height as Mega lo Mania. One of those fateful strokes of luck that it worked so well.
What you believe is both irrelevant and wrong. When Sensi were developing the game they stated that they wanted to choose a view/height that didn't need the radar 'Kick Off' did. They wanted players to be able to see enough of the action on-screen without needless distractions.
Go to AMR (Amiga Magazine Rack), hunt for dev diaries and read. Knowledge is so much more fun than incorrect personal statements passed off as fact.
Jamie Williamson What you believe is equally as irrelevant and wrong. Now what? Also, which personal statement did I pass off as fact? I stated my opinion and did not even SUGGEST that it was divinely inspired.
I'm well aware of the history and the contradictory interviews. Yes, contradictory. They are also on record as saying that the concept first arose when they simply skinned the Mega lo Mania sprites in football kits and stuck them on a football field.
Not much deep thought and design about not wanting the radar, eh? Is it just a coincidence that after all that deep thought and consideration, they just happened to come up with EXACTLY the same camera height and perspective as was already ever so conveniently implemented in Mega lo Mania?
Don't make me laugh. Sounds more like a post-hoc rational to give the whole thing more meaning... You are, of course, free to simply believe as gospel what the devs have said in your cherry-picked interviews. Me, I prefer to be a little more discerning. I STILL believe it was just one of those strokes of luck. The Mega-lo-mania height and perspective just happened to work beautify for a football game.
So, logic and reason BASED on the available facts is so much more fun (and enlightening) than snarky insults.
Tata.
Wow, any more posts like that and you'll need chapter headings. Still, definitely better the the usual "you suck" crap that most TH-cam arguers come up with.
The fact that Mega-lo-Mania's height and perspective was perfect for what they wanted to achieve with Sensi doesn't - and this is the important bit - make it any less of a conscious design choice. I'm fully aware of how the concept first arose (Kim even mentioned it in this video) but again, how does this in any way change the "conscious design choice" bit I just mentioned?
As to "believing as gospel what the devs have said"...I don't even know where to start with this comment. What you seem to be saying is that I should disbelive what _the game's creators themselves_ have said and instead believe what you suspect to be the truth. Because of course, only you can know the devs' true intentions.
Frankly, 'arrogant' doesn't even begin to cover it. Tsk, eh?
PS. Snarky insults can be such fun and you bloody well know it.
Jamie Williamson
Chapter 1 - The Straw Man
I don't recall insisting that you believe the same things I do.
Chapter 2 - On The Dev's Gospel
I presented my sound logic and reasoning as to why I believe what I do, and as to why you might want to take the developers words with a grain of salt. You can't possibly imagine any temptation for them the bend the truth a little in order to make themselves sound better, even subconsciously?
Chapter 3 - Just an Opinion, but an Informed One
Well personally, and with quite some familiarity with the game, the developers and the game development process itself, it is simply more likely that they realised the touted benefits after the fact.
Chapter 4 - Common Ground
You are right: the fact that the sprites, height, camera angle, perspective etc etc. of mega-lo-mania just happened to match their design for a football game does not prove that the sprites, height, camera angle, perspective etc etc. for Sensi were not a conscious design choice.... just a coincidence is all. It's *possible.*
Chapter 5 - Snark
You suck.
I still feel you're doing the devs an injustice. Sensi Soccer's perfect balance of scale isn't just about the player sprites or camera height, it's about the scale of the environment. 'Kick Off's' sprites weren't much smaller than Sensi's but its pitch was a lot bigger, so the radar was necessary.
As to the forced-perspective viewpoint taken from Mega-lo-Mania, that's a purely cosmetic choice anyway. A standard overhead view wouldn't have affected Sensi's gameplay in any way, it just wouldn't have looked as cute.
By the way, congrats on a genuinely amusing post (especially the chapter headings). Have a well-deserved 9 out of 10, sir. I was initially thinking of giving you a 10, but I don't want you resting on your laurels. I understand they can give you a rash.
I hadn't actually realised just how badly Sensible Soccer had done on the Atari ST.
Sensible Software's Jon Hare didn't sound like the biggest ST fan out there, saying you could never fulfill a games potential due to the smaller screen size than the Amiga, sound always having to be downgraded..
Controls had been tweaked a bit for ST Sensible Soccer as it was done after the Amiga version.
But at the time, Autumn '92, Sensible Soccer had sold 41,000 copies, 36,000 on the Amiga, 5,000 on the ST.
as someone who grew up with International Superstar Soccer Deluxe on the SNES, i could never get used to Sensi's gameplay (doesn't help that the series pretty much flew under the radar this side of the pond).
i mean, the one-button play i actually find novel, but it's the whole ball control system that always gets me. if i try to cut inside to get into the box, i lose the ball. if i try to jink to one side to lose my marker coming from the other, i lose the ball. if i come at the keeper to try and dribble him, i lose the ball for an easy save. this is pretty tough for me to get used, although i do like the game (i have SWOS on my Xbox 360 and play every once in a while).
27:29 - what music is this game from!? Can anyone help me with this?
I think it is the menu music from Sensible Soccer Version 1.1 (Amiga)