I LOVE that Chris Rose wasn't on this episode.... because it really opens the door for content on this. Maybe Rose gets shown the two list but isn't told who is who and has to guess? Maybe Rose gets the list, but doesn't watch the ep and builds and entire episode off of questions he has about them? You really opened the door for Football Today to get more content out of this episode with Rose not being here that I'd love to be explored. BTW, I ALWAYS listen until the end.
I might be biased because I’m a giants fan, but I can’t be the only one who thinks Hurts is a product of the system?! Goff is definitely better than him even though he can’t run & is just a pocket passer. Rather have Goff than Hurts every of the week
He is to an extent but he executes the system very very well. And his athleticism is borderline elite as well. He doesn’t have the strongest arm or the prettiest ball but he generally makes the right reads and gets the ball where it needs to go. It might look different but it’s very effective. And let’s not forget how long it took Goff to become a high quality qb. Hurts is very good. Not elite but very good
@@j.r.3945it didn’t take Goff that long to become a good starter his second season as a starter he threw for 3900 yards 28 touchdowns and 7 ints. That’s statistically better PASSING stats than any season jalen hurts as ever had. His team had a 11-5 record that season and won there division. Goff followed that up with 4600 yards 32 tds to 12 ints. His team went 13-3 that season and had a superbowl appearance. Again hurts has never had passing stats that looked that good. People just overhype hurts 1 yard rushing tds where he’s pushed into the endzone. If you take half of those tds away and give them to the running back hurts numbers are very pedestrian.
Trevor Lawrence has more Total Turnovers than Touchdowns so how he is considered Good or better than Goff is insane...Goff doesn't look Flashy or Dynamic when he plays but all he does is Win and give his teams Elite Play and Production.... Last 2 seasons all 34 games played 67%_ 9,013Yards 59Touchdowns_ 19INTs A Division Title 2 Consecutive playoff Wins
Exactly and putting Caleb over him is insane. If he plays well this season then sure but that’s like putting Bryce young over Goff without playing the season.
I mean Caleb is significantly more talented than Goff and clearly this is a projection for next year. Goff at 17 is definitely too low for me but he’s not top 10. I’d say 12 is fair
No QB is complete & works in every system. But yeah, I'd prefer anyone put Any Thought into anything they said & didn't go on personal preference. How can Bo Nix & Jayden Daniels honestly be expected to fail? Based on being the best at certain things? The sad fact is people base their talent assessments on things not connected to talent. I would _LOVE_ to see an Honest Video "showing" Tom Brady's élite passing ability. The problem is he doesn't have much. Every great QB has footage of them making passes most other QBs can't. Brady's? A ton of easy passes to wide-open receivers & almost every pass to covered ones being INTs with a _MASSIVE AMOUNT of them_ being overturned for penalties. But this th-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/w-d-xo.html *_really_** shows* how none of these guys can assess anything, ever, just regurgitate what others say. It's a spliced video showing the college highlights of Caleb Williams & one other QB. The other QB isn't only a better rusher. If you count the # of times each QB misses by inches or miles you'll realize the other QB is also a *_WAY_*_ more accurate passer!_ But wait: isn't Caleb supposedly 'Generational?' Yeah, according to empty media rhetoric. Someone threw that label around & no one questioned it. & listen to this pointless discussion about Fields. "I think the situation in Chicago was bad, but (he) it should have been better." Isn't it amazing how people talk about how great Andy Reid & Kyle Shanahan are but they 100% ignore when play-callers are bad? Aren't those factors? Otherwise why do people excuse "having Urban Meyer" for T-Law's failings? (Yes, sometimes people will say a coach was bad. But even there, after he's gone & because of something not coaching-related). Fields publicly called out his coaches after week 7 of '22. After being unable to avoid reporters' questions _about_ his play-calling for weeks, Eberflus panicked & FINALLY allowed Getsy to call the offense with either less or no interference from himself. & remember what happened? Fields led the pre-D.J. Moore Bears to being the #1 offense 3 weeks straight. He did with Mooney & Claypool what Allen couldn't do with Diggs & Kincaid, what Burrow couldn't do with his élite WR trio, with what Mahomes never did with Tyreek Hill. & these guys just shrugged that off along with how Eberflus reinsteated the failed plays after that streak as if they never saw any streak. Like, *what* are these guys basing their assessments off of? Because it's as if they're just tweaking PFF grades. Every time I come back to this channel after a few weeks they disappoint me all over again. They know nothing.
The issue with Bobby's "Would you pay Kyler the same contract" question is...that is just how much QBs are getting paid. Like people freaked out when we paid DJ, but his deal is now on the low end of what people are getting, especially when you look at Trevor Lawrence. If you sign a QB its going to be $45m+ at minimum and anyone "decent" will be 50-55+. Its that or start over, those are really the only two options now sadly.
You people kill me josh and Lamar are not better than burrow . Man is it like a full time job in the football commentary community to give us less credit than we deserve . Neither of them have anything over joe other than running which let’s be honest isn’t a qb fucking job anyway so why are you counting it so much . They aren’t smarter , they don’t read defenses as good they are not as accurate, they’re not better leaders and they aren’t as good in the playoffs and neither have consistently beaten the consensus best qb but he has . They are not better , why is this even a conversation. He’s only finished 2 seasons to their like 5 or 6 and has been to back to back afc championships and a superbowl and they have made it to 1 afc championship each and got beat by the chiefs . Cut it out
Jared Goff has been elite the last two years and he won two playoff games last year. It makes no sense to have him at 16 or 17 or whatever Justin has him. Goff at a minimum will have 4500 yards and 30 TD’s each season over the next 3 years. These are minimums and I expect him to go even higher with more playoff wins. How can you not rank that as elite? I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, sure it’s nice if your QB is mobile or good at scrambling and throwing on the run, but not at the expense of accuracy, throwing interceptions, being a leader, winning playoff games etc…
Dude Justin is sooo cringe with his takes , Caleb Williams who hasn’t even touch a field is better than Goff?! If goffs WRs could catch a ball and our defense didn’t suck we would be in a Super Bowl , and beating a chiefs team we beat already that year , holy shit this guy shouldn’t be allowed to talk football
If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. There is no guarantee you would have beat the Chiefs even if you did make the SB. I do agree no rookies should be above any QB that have played in the league. They shouldn't even be ranked
Penek with a beard making me feeel some type of way
No Chris Rose 😢
Rose is the goat but Skinner ain't half bad himself. These two are good together.
20:32 “Detroy-Et”? 🤔
I LOVE that Chris Rose wasn't on this episode.... because it really opens the door for content on this. Maybe Rose gets shown the two list but isn't told who is who and has to guess? Maybe Rose gets the list, but doesn't watch the ep and builds and entire episode off of questions he has about them? You really opened the door for Football Today to get more content out of this episode with Rose not being here that I'd love to be explored.
BTW, I ALWAYS listen until the end.
Fun episode! It sucks Chris couldn't be here, but I thought you two made the best of it!!
I might be biased because I’m a giants fan, but I can’t be the only one who thinks Hurts is a product of the system?! Goff is definitely better than him even though he can’t run & is just a pocket passer. Rather have Goff than Hurts every of the week
He is to an extent but he executes the system very very well. And his athleticism is borderline elite as well. He doesn’t have the strongest arm or the prettiest ball but he generally makes the right reads and gets the ball where it needs to go. It might look different but it’s very effective. And let’s not forget how long it took Goff to become a high quality qb. Hurts is very good. Not elite but very good
@@j.r.3945it didn’t take Goff that long to become a good starter his second season as a starter he threw for 3900 yards 28 touchdowns and 7 ints. That’s statistically better PASSING stats than any season jalen hurts as ever had. His team had a 11-5 record that season and won there division. Goff followed that up with 4600 yards 32 tds to 12 ints. His team went 13-3 that season and had a superbowl appearance. Again hurts has never had passing stats that looked that good. People just overhype hurts 1 yard rushing tds where he’s pushed into the endzone. If you take half of those tds away and give them to the running back hurts numbers are very pedestrian.
Always love the show
Goff should be higher Justin. I Caleb is great, but Goff needs more respect
Trevor Lawrence has more Total Turnovers than Touchdowns so how he is considered Good or better than Goff is insane...Goff doesn't look Flashy or Dynamic when he plays but all he does is Win and give his teams Elite Play and Production.... Last 2 seasons all 34 games played 67%_ 9,013Yards 59Touchdowns_ 19INTs A Division Title 2 Consecutive playoff Wins
TALKIN GIANTS VS THE WORLD
Goff 17 is INSANE and I have 0 Detroit fandom
Exactly and putting Caleb over him is insane. If he plays well this season then sure but that’s like putting Bryce young over Goff without playing the season.
@@visionstealth7827this makes no sense considering Bryce isn’t even the prospect Caleb was.
I mean Caleb is significantly more talented than Goff and clearly this is a projection for next year. Goff at 17 is definitely too low for me but he’s not top 10. I’d say 12 is fair
No QB is complete & works in every system. But yeah, I'd prefer anyone put Any Thought into anything they said & didn't go on personal preference. How can Bo Nix & Jayden Daniels honestly be expected to fail? Based on being the best at certain things?
The sad fact is people base their talent assessments on things not connected to talent. I would _LOVE_ to see an Honest Video "showing" Tom Brady's élite passing ability. The problem is he doesn't have much. Every great QB has footage of them making passes most other QBs can't. Brady's? A ton of easy passes to wide-open receivers & almost every pass to covered ones being INTs with a _MASSIVE AMOUNT of them_ being overturned for penalties.
But this th-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/w-d-xo.html *_really_** shows* how none of these guys can assess anything, ever, just regurgitate what others say. It's a spliced video showing the college highlights of Caleb Williams & one other QB.
The other QB isn't only a better rusher. If you count the # of times each QB misses by inches or miles you'll realize the other QB is also a *_WAY_*_ more accurate passer!_
But wait: isn't Caleb supposedly 'Generational?' Yeah, according to empty media rhetoric. Someone threw that label around & no one questioned it.
& listen to this pointless discussion about Fields. "I think the situation in Chicago was bad, but (he) it should have been better." Isn't it amazing how people talk about how great Andy Reid & Kyle Shanahan are but they 100% ignore when play-callers are bad?
Aren't those factors? Otherwise why do people excuse "having Urban Meyer" for T-Law's failings? (Yes, sometimes people will say a coach was bad. But even there, after he's gone & because of something not coaching-related).
Fields publicly called out his coaches after week 7 of '22. After being unable to avoid reporters' questions _about_ his play-calling for weeks, Eberflus panicked & FINALLY allowed Getsy to call the offense with either less or no interference from himself.
& remember what happened? Fields led the pre-D.J. Moore Bears to being the #1 offense 3 weeks straight. He did with Mooney & Claypool what Allen couldn't do with Diggs & Kincaid, what Burrow couldn't do with his élite WR trio, with what Mahomes never did with Tyreek Hill.
& these guys just shrugged that off along with how Eberflus reinsteated the failed plays after that streak as if they never saw any streak.
Like, *what* are these guys basing their assessments off of? Because it's as if they're just tweaking PFF grades. Every time I come back to this channel after a few weeks they disappoint me all over again. They know nothing.
Caleb Williams above Jared Goff is a joke.
As a Texans fan I agree. In Detroit he’s been amazing
The issue with Bobby's "Would you pay Kyler the same contract" question is...that is just how much QBs are getting paid. Like people freaked out when we paid DJ, but his deal is now on the low end of what people are getting, especially when you look at Trevor Lawrence. If you sign a QB its going to be $45m+ at minimum and anyone "decent" will be 50-55+. Its that or start over, those are really the only two options now sadly.
Are you guys going to do a NFC South breakdown?
This would be fascinating to know what Rose thinks.
You people kill me josh and Lamar are not better than burrow . Man is it like a full time job in the football commentary community to give us less credit than we deserve . Neither of them have anything over joe other than running which let’s be honest isn’t a qb fucking job anyway so why are you counting it so much . They aren’t smarter , they don’t read defenses as good they are not as accurate, they’re not better leaders and they aren’t as good in the playoffs and neither have consistently beaten the consensus best qb but he has . They are not better , why is this even a conversation. He’s only finished 2 seasons to their like 5 or 6 and has been to back to back afc championships and a superbowl and they have made it to 1 afc championship each and got beat by the chiefs . Cut it out
Jared Goff has been elite the last two years and he won two playoff games last year. It makes no sense to have him at 16 or 17 or whatever Justin has him.
Goff at a minimum will have 4500 yards and 30 TD’s each season over the next 3 years. These are minimums and I expect him to go even higher with more playoff wins. How can you not rank that as elite?
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, sure it’s nice if your QB is mobile or good at scrambling and throwing on the run, but not at the expense of accuracy, throwing interceptions, being a leader, winning playoff games etc…
the baker disrespect is crazy
Love lists
In coming Rookies should not be higher than current starters. They could be great but you won’t know till they actually play the game.
Goff was bad but the rest was decent
Burrow does not avoid any pressure we watch his body leave his soul every year
Goff at 17 is wild and and AOC ain’t even close to being the worst qb in the nfl let alone starter
Baker Mayfield being the only player not on both lists is insane. The one list he is on he is below Daniel Jones. Why do you guys HATE Baker so much?
Dude Justin is sooo cringe with his takes , Caleb Williams who hasn’t even touch a field is better than Goff?! If goffs WRs could catch a ball and our defense didn’t suck we would be in a Super Bowl , and beating a chiefs team we beat already that year , holy shit this guy shouldn’t be allowed to talk football
If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. There is no guarantee you would have beat the Chiefs even if you did make the SB.
I do agree no rookies should be above any QB that have played in the league. They shouldn't even be ranked
Get justin off the fuckin show , Goff that low!!!!
Having tlaw over dak love and Brock is CRIMINAL
Daniel jones over Russell Wilson lol
I swear Justin knows very little about football
Pissed off a minute and 30 seconds in geez
Justin isn’t a football guy, the other dude is smart but holy shit who let this guy on a show…
Having Daniel jones almost top 20 gotta be the most biased ranking I’ve seen
If you give him decent oline play (like in 2022 when he played well) I feel like having him in the 20 range is fair