I wish Jane wasn’t so dead set on showing how mentally unstable Kenny was. She seemed like a great survivalist and interesting character overall. I liked Jane, just wish she didn’t do the things she did near the end :/
@@678fireplacesuicide is very fitting for her character. She abandoned every character first chance she got in S2. For what little we know about her, it’s canon that: 1. She abandons her sister 2. She manipulated and abandoned Troy (likely to earn favors in carvers camp but point still stands) 3. She abandons Sarah and tries to convince Clem to do so 4. asks Rebecca “what are you gonna do with it?” (In context of AJ, implying she wants her to abort AJ) 5. After the guilt of Luke sex, abandons the entire group 6. Realized she was depressed and comes back, only to want to not only abandon Kenny; but manipulate Clem into killing him, because Clem reminds her of her sister.
@@shadesonbroadway I feel like using the word abandoned into some of these scenarios is quite harsh. Her philosophy and a lot of these situations is not incorrect. Was she supposed to just continue on dragging her sister along when she didn't want to live anymore. It's honestly selfish to do that, her sister was suffering. So was she supposed to keep dragging her and let her suffer more or supposed to just sit there and die with her? Sing she manipulated in abandoned Troy as if it's something wrong that she did is weird to me knowing who Troy is. That's one of the things that shows how good of a character she is. I don't know if you're using the words manipulated and abandoned in a negative way to insinuate that she's a bad person for it but typically those words insinuate that the person is bad for it. Been a lot of situations for survival you need to manipulate people, especially the bad ones like Troy. And clearly abandoning people sometimes is what you need to do to continue on living. I will never blame her for what she did with her sister because it clearly eats her up every single day but she could not change the trajectory her sister wanted to go. I hate the way it's almost as if people believe she should have done more with her sister. She couldn't give her sister a will to live so what more did you want her to do
Kenny didn't sacrifice himself, he made a dumb decision that winter was the best time to teach a preteen to drive and then got Darwined for not wearing a seatbelt.
@@pantarhei8457 that’s not the point. Even in his crippled state he still worried about Clem and aj and decided to not point fingers at Clem and choose to sacrifice himself by distracting the zombie so they could escape. Meanwhile, Jane is hanging around.
@@cerbus6597 Another point is that AJ was a toddler in Kenny's scene, while he was still clearly a baby in Jane's, so that means that with Kenny, Clem was happy for at least a year and some change (the longest she's been with someone during the apocalypse, period) while with Jane she only lasted a few months.
@@pathetic2399 Yeah. The best part is Clementine starts S4 driving a car, which for those that took the Kenny route makes it all the more meaningful, because otherwise she likely would've just taught herself (or someone from Prescott taught her)
If Kenny represents family and loyalty, Jane represents individuality and survival. Her ending shows how far surviving on your own can only go so far, and that you can't reject those connections you build. A lot of people see Jane as selfish, but she is also on par with Lee on how much Clem repeats her lessons, hiding with walkers and hitting the knees to attack. Personally, Kenny is the better option of the two because Clem needs the family and stability after losing the group, and Jane's actions at the end were the one time she did it out of selfishness rather than survival.
That’s absolutely stupid. She makes some of the worst decisions in the series. First she gets caught slacking with Luke, then she helps Arvo and even defends him from Kenny, she also wasnt aware that Bonnie and Mike betrayal. Finally she comes up with a ridiculous plan to take Kenny out by fighting him physically. Also where did all their guns go? She is no survivor but then again most of the season 2 characters arent either
@@kingcamelot1395Clem learned nothing. She already knew covering with guts strategy. The only reason she wasnt as capable as someone like kenny or luke is because she was a kid and was surrounded by idiots.
Dont you ever compare Lee with Jane. Lee would not abbandon people like Jane does. in season 1 ep 1 he did not abbandon the woman who was crying inside a room at Motor inn, in ep 5 Lee risked everything to find Clem.
@@Batx0123LOLXD agreed and you also can do the knee trick TWICE with the walkers even before meeting jane in episode 2, when 1.) You choose to attack the bigger walker with luke and 2.) Another walker on the bridge lol. Oh and you can search the walker's pockets that was tied to the tree in episode 1 as well. Ya jane didn't teach Clem shite 😂
@ well she could also throw herself down a set of stairs. If she was really all about herself, she could've abandoned the baby after too. Just saying it's a bummer she felt she had to off herself
@@nickando1734 Pregnancy in the zombie apocalypse is basically a death sentence. It sucks, yeah. But unfortunately they weren’t a part of a group so there was no way in hell Jane would’ve survived it
Jane seemed like a decent character up until the whole on the road bickering with Kenny. She knew he wasn't in a good headpsace but decided to keep poking and prodding at him, then faking AJ's death, a baby Kenny put so much help into making sure he would survive past childbirth, real genus move, lady. 🙄 Kenny ending all the way.
She saw him for what he is, a complete narcissist. By the end of the first game, Kenny should have grown up even a little and learned from the mistakes that took the lives of his family. Instead he just... finds a new one, gets them killed, and shows a side that borders on complete rage against anything that stands against what he wants. Kenny is only good if the world is good to Kenny, if one person is not good to Kenny, he will get them killed directly or not. That's what Jane saw and what she needed Clem to see. It's not fucking rocket science lol.
@@noxlunesiaImagine saying that Kenny is the narcissist in a situation where someone made it out that they killed a baby so to get a rise out of them to prove a point lmao.
@@noxlunesia Narcissist? Kenny? How the hell did you reach that conclusion? Are we forgetting the fact that him being angry is literally justified because the group Clem with is the cause of his complete breakdown? If anything, Kenny not going completely nuclear against the group that cause him so much grief is a miracle in of itself. Especially when THEY kept sniding the man behind his back even though THEY are the ones that brought Carver to his lodge.
Neither were in a good headspace, they'd both suffered terrible losses and now fate has you riding shotgun to a ticking nuke and a little girl you love who refuses to get away from it. How would you handle it? How would you save her? I'd like to think if Lee was there he would have worked hard to get Kenny back to his best whereas Jane wanted to scare you by showing you his worst. Then Lee would have taught Jane that the people we love all have value and you can't spend your life terrified of what their worst day looks like.
I love Jane personally. Simply put, she was mischaracterized and changed at the end of the season because Luke was supposed to be the one to bump heads with Kenny. For some reason, they klled Luke off early so they had to use Jane and Jane didn't have any big issues with Kenny. Putting that baby in danger is out of character for her, she wouldn't put people in danger to prove a point, she would've did something else.
I think more accurately she wouldn't put HERSELF in danger, or cheapen her life with suicide (I'm not judging those who have taken their lives, just wording it in a way a character that fights tooth and nail to live would maybe aay)
@@stuffwithsoph8264 the sewer slide thing imo was in character. She saw herself as a liability and took herself out instead of allowing anyone else to. It's sad, but that was in character
@@0BlaydeX they would not do that for such an odd reason, and another thing is that its a well known fact a lot of stuff already programmed like scenes and storylines for season 2 was removed late in development for no good reason
I hated the way they ended Jane's story. She was a great character. Definitely having abandonment issues, but her and Luke were my favorites. Jane being pregnant and killing herself sucks so much. They ruined her after her betrayal to Clem to prove Kenny was a liability. Kenny would have never hurt Clem.
Jane is basically afraid of an abandonment. She abandons people before they can abandon her. The problem is it drags you and other people down. The pattern is destructive beacause Jane is not aware of its consequences. And I think that is the main difference between Jane and Kenny. They are both very flawed and unstable, but Kenny can admit his mistakes without racionalizing and wants to move forward. He is open to change. Jane on the other hand wants to “go back south” even though in episode 4 she is the one who says “When everything goes south don’t let them drag you down with them.”She always thinks the problem is someone else and not her. She projects her own insecurities on others and masks it with her “I already know how it’s gonna be.”If you don’t shoot Kenny and Clem says to him that he is dangerous after discovering AJ is alive he’ll respond “I know Clem, but I’m trying to change, I’m workin’ on it.”If you save Jane and Clem says to her that she is crazy and dangerous Jane will respond “I had to do it”. And there it is, crazy people don’t know they’re crazy.
I don't know if it's THAT simple. A lot of people think they can rationalize these situations having over a decade to think about it now about a scenario that's happening in the freaking apocalypse, but the reality is you're trying to rationalize something in a irrational situation. I am by no means defending Jane or her actions and don't have a dog in the fight about who should be picked, but the with the world they now find themselves in, both characters can be justified. "crazy people don’t know they’re crazy" is also categorically false, the wording just sugar coats Kenny's behavior: "I'm going to work on my murderous thoughts and intentions" is a crazy thing to say because Kenny IS crazy. Saying "i know" after is just painting a turd white and expecting it not to smell bad. This isn't the normal world anymore where go: "oh poor thing, you can't keep your emotions in check, let's get you to a therapist so you can work on yourself". If you can't control your emotions, you are a detriment to those around you. Jane, meanwhile, is more calculated and knows how people act. It's cold, and many people like to think that makes her a bad person, and maybe it does, but you cannot make that decision knowing the type of world they're in now. I think because many people sympathizing with people having a mental health crisis detracts from what Jane was trying to prove; that if Kenny is dead set on something, he will act on it whether he thinks the information is right or wrong. Imagine if he thought Clem did something to AJ, he would outright kill her without a second thought. Semantics I know, but you can't know how those people are going to act. Who's to say Kenny wouldn't have changed if he didn't have that encounter with Jane? We'll never know, but saying "I'm trying to change" does not justify that. Jane isn't going to kill someone just because she THINKS something happened. Kenny would, regardless if it's true. In the end, you get to decide who to kill. I like both options as it's an interesting dynamic.
@@Horible4Sorry for only responding now. First of all, I didn’t say Kenny is okay. He definitly has lots of anger problems but he doesn’t have murderous intentions. He broke in a situtation that was purposly and impulsivly created by another person (Jane) who desperetly wanted to gain Clem for herself because she had no one. I’m not saying she is an evil person don’t get me wrong. She is just as broken as Kenny is. I would argue even more but like you said that is for everyone’s interpretation. There was nothing to prove about Kenny. The whole season was about him getting depper and depper to the bottom losing everyone. The point is Jane is already at the bottom. There is a saying’ only a blind person envies an one eyed man. And Jane saw everything in dark. Everyone was going to leave you, you can’t trust anyone, always think in the worst case scenario. Now of course you can interpret it to the situation of apocalypse but the same you can do with Kenny’s flaws. I think Jane ended up in the lower position in the fight with Kenny because she attacked him from the lower, more desperate position. It’s just my own interpretation. They are both kinda two sides of the same coin. Kenny is unstable and impulsive because he lost everything. Jane lost everything because she’s unstable and impulsive.
@@belzebubko_666 Nah you're good. It sounds like we both have the same conclusion on the matter that both of them have problems. It's honestly pretty impressive clementine is so level headed for her age at this point while everyone else is slowly losing their sanity. All of my favorite characters died by this point in the story so I wasn't really invested in either of these two.
I will forever hold the opinion that Lilly should've been in season 2. She doesnt really do much in Season 4 that cant be replaced by any generic "Fascists Survivalist" carver type that we've seen atleast one of in EVERY season. The only reason it took so long for them to use Lilly again was because Telltale was trying to tie her lore into the Comics, but Robert Kirkman told them flatout "NO."
@@moon7shinev150 Oh that would have been so much better! Especially considering how embittered Christa was towards Clem after losing Omid and their baby, could've even tried projecting that loss on to AJ. Kenny confronting Lilly and Clem confronting Christa could have been amazing resolutions to their arcs.
Nah. Molly should of died and CHUCK should of taken her place. Way more believable survivalist, way more used to living on scraps and scavenger, used to giving up the luxuries of life before the apocalypse even hit. Aged and wise, cares about people but ultimately also fair weather and has low standards. He died so molly can screen time, which makes molly worthy of death for that alone. Chuck is a way better character to come back, he's also a much better character to have as someone who is able to get up and go from any group, as he is by nature a drifter. Making the unreliability and individualistic aspect make more sense. He also is the person who directly told Lee to guide clementine and more or less forwarned Lee that treating Clem like how Sarah was treated will slowly make her unprepared both pragmatically and psychologically. Which would give a good perspective on what happened sarah and a good reason to butt heads. It makes sense why he might see Sarah as a lost cause because of that, than Jane did. But he's also in a position enough to be convinced to try anyway.
I actually like Jane for the most part. She’s a solo survivor and was forced to leave her sister behind who had given up and just wanted to die. One of the most interesting things about post apocalyptic stories like TWD is how much will to live the protagonists have. I would probably off myself right away as there’s no way I’d survive long and I’d probably become so defeated by the end of the world mentally. Not everyone wants to survive that. But it definitely “jaded” Jade as keeping her sister safe was the one thing she had to keep going to do. Now she doesn’t really have anyone and everyone else always eventually dies so it’s difficult to let yourself get close to anyone. She recognises that Clem is unusually strong willed and clever and only really sticks around to teach her more skills. The whole game was trying to push for a “Kenny is going insane” narrative and the original plan for season 2 was for it to be Luke vs Kenny but they killed Luke off early because of the weird Clem/Luke shipping going on. So Jane ended up shoehorned into Luke’s anti-Kenny sentiment despite Luke having more history with Kenny than her. Her decision to abandon AJ in the cold and antagonise Kenny into trying to kill her was so brain dead though. And even worse if you side with her and go back to the warehouse with her she hangs herself in S3 - abandoning Clem with an infant and forcing Clem to also have to kill her in zombie form. At least Kenny does take care of Clem and AJ either by sticking with them until he has to sacrifice himself for them or letting them get into Wellington alone. That’s where I always end up siding against her but she is an interesting character and don’t hate her.
I don’t get why people told Jane what she did was right when she hid AJ? She put AJ in danger and got Kenny killed just to prove a point. She could’ve stopped it at anytime but she chose not to.
@@spencerbowden2979 It really didn't. Anyone would snap if they lost a child, especially after having already lost his family before. If anything, it proved the length Kenny was willing to go to protect the people he loved, and kill those that threaten them. What Jane's action did to me was solidify that I needed to keep Kenny by my side. He may be cruel and blood thirsty, but this guy will go through hell and back to keep Clem safe
@@bugcatcherjacky1334 usually people don’t just accuse people of murder without valid proof from a mere implication something happened. Kenny is not protecting anyone trying to kill Jane.
Ah yes, the great plan to show how evil Kenny is by making him think you killed a baby and then him getting mad you killed said baby. Truly a great way to make yourself seem like the moral person in that situation
Yeah I get jane but she really shouldve left kenny alone knowing how he is and it was STUPID!! Then if you decide to roll with her she just ends it like what was the point smh
Yea her fighting kenny was completely out of nowhere and insane. I think they actually would've made a good team if they had more time to learn about each other but noooo she just has to prove kenny is insane
@@JamesHigh-ji8wfShe profited off the fact She knowed how muc Kenny had his Anger issues but She was straight manipulație by doing that plus her gaslighting You into leaving sarah or the group or to leave kennyh kenny cared about aj and that he was broken after sărită died once again plus his Anger. Y putting a kid in danger that Alone makes her way worse than him plus even post this fight and how they fie in season 1 IT shows again why kenny îs better i mean at the end of the day he s been the family Man and in both seasons he s losing what he loved clem enduring way worse since he lost like everyone from Lee kenny and people around her
It's really interesting. Jane is one of those characters that confuses players. I always looked at Larry and Lilly with better eyes because of how well written there characters are. Just because they do bad things doesn't make them bad characters because we see there flaws. Emotions. For Jane I think it can be similar but since her personality does strike against Kenny's. The background od understanding her is lost in translation and is instantly written off as a dumb character. Sorta fair but at the same time, am glad there is some clarity. Really enjoying these deep dives into characters. I agree alot with what you have to say. And I do like studying characters. Lilly for example, while complicated. Is a very amazing character in her own right.
Lilly is a children kidnapper and uses children as sacrificial pawns in a war against another community. And before season 4, she backstabbed Lee if you had taken her into the van in S1. She was already becoming a darker character since ep 3 of season 1. The only reedeemable thing about her is that she could not kill Clem and tried to make Clem see things her way and join her group.
Jane is like a more tamed quiet version of Selena from 28 Days Later, Selena also didn't like people slowing her down and even threatened to kill or abandon Jim if he slowed her down or put her in a position where she might get killed. She also killed partner Mark after he got scratched / cut by the infected despite him showing no signs of turning into an infected.
The worst part about what Jane did is thay she put AJ at risk. Like, she didn't take into consideration what would happen if Clem sided with Kenny. If that happened and Jane ended up dying in that situation withour revealing where AJ was, Kenny and Clem could've ended up unknowingly leaving AJ to die in that car to freeze to death. Regardless of whether Jane was right about Kenny, she still deliberately put the life of baby in jeopardy just to prove a point. I honestly think she's just as bad as she believed Kenny was. Maybe she wasn't a direct threat to Clem, but she was clearly just as big a threat to everyone else, including AJ.
The thing about Jane is that she’s technically right but because the game is based around the emotional bonds between the player and the characters if you played the first game you are most likely to be emotionally invested in Kenny rather than Jane but she’s right in fact not only is she right but her plan was more logical and safer than Kenny’s but that doesn’t mean that we as players want to follow her because she pushes Kenny into being wrong which again she’s technically right about but that doesn’t mean that her actions were justified, if only Jane was introduced earlier in the game or even being changed for Molly since they both have very similar backstories and motivations just Jane is colder and less emphatic than Molly I also think that this would’ve helped Sarah’s character as well since Jane if introduced earlier could’ve developed a relationship with her even seeing her as her and clementine being parallels to Jane and her sister and forming stronger bonds for her eventual rescue to be even stronger when it comes to the emotional attachment of both Jane and Sarah
Holy God, finally someone with 2 brain cells that bring that out! Kenny wanted to roam "To that direction" without even a bag with food for the baby and without proper refugee, until by some miracle they stumble upon their promised land, which being this an apocalypse and in their experience, not only didn't they know whether it existed or not, but there was a huge chance it could be a trap from slavers or cannibals, or be already desolated after a raid or zombies as it ended happening 1 years later anyway. Jane, provide a reasonable and more down to earth solution that focused on the baby over her own desires and feelings (She hated being trapped in Carver's), she taking her own life selfish may it be, but it doesn't take away she was right.
I feel like understanding Jane isn’t a hard decision at all as long as you don’t have a extremely strong emotional bias towards Kenny, Something notable about her suicide It was the only safe 100% option she had If she left with Clem to try and find others she’d have to find a group of people safe enough to trust before she got too pregnant to keep going, in which case her Clem and Aj would surely perish to natural causes, that’s ignoring the concept of them running into NOT safe people If she stayed there with the baby Clem and Aj, Clem would have to become the sole source of food water ect, due to Jane being heavily pregnant, but Clem can’t do that AND take care of Aj, considering his age he would get into all sorts of trouble once it’s time to have the baby she would have to deliver it herself, which is near impossible. characters like Rebecca get lucky, most pregnancies aren’t easy enough to survive in apocalypse conditions, especially if you are alone with one pre-teen girl, and a noisy loud toddler, even if the baby survived the delivery Jane likely wouldn’t, meaning Clem would be stranded alone with a newborn baby and Aj, Clem can’t leave the baby and it can’t eat or drink regular foods, it needs milk, it’s loud, it’s a lot more responsibility than Aj, Clem can’t take care of two babies, she’s 12, Jane’s baby would likely die of starvation or worse and Clem would be left traumatized, a newborn baby? Especially one she’s likely been taking care of for at least a few days? if clems unstable then how in the world would she take care of Aj enough to survive Then the last resort, an at home abortion, it doesn’t take a genius to understand that doing a abortion without any medical tools, any form of sterilization or any doctor on standby is just a disaster, her chances of infection due to the wounds that would likely be left are insanely high and it’s not like Clem and her were swimming in antibiotics in case of that By killing herself she was leaving Clem and Aj in the least messy way possible, if she just left she would die a horrible slow death in the wild and Clem would be left wondering why she was left behind, it doesn’t take a genius to understand how abandoning a kid you’ve been raising for almost a year would fuck with them, if she stayed and kept the baby her and the baby would die, the order doesn’t matter what matters is that everyone would’ve suffered 9 long months because of it, if she tried to terminate the pregnancy she would also die a horribly slow and incredibly painful (and disgusting) death, If Jane is pregnant, Clem has to be the main provider and support system for the entire group, and she couldn’t do that, she was a kid, I think Jane was struggling already mentally due to her immense trauma and now faced with pregnancy she knew that her days were numbered and her chances of survival, her suicide was the only way she could leave Aj and Clem fast and easy, like ripping a bandaid off Jane clearly expressed and showed how much she believed in not dragging others down or letting others drag you down, and she knew clementine was too empathetic, too compassionate, clementine couldn’t leave a pregnant woman, a FRIEND behind if they were running from a herd, she knew no matter what she was going to drag clementine down and potentially cause Clem and/or Aj to be killed and she knew she couldn’t just run away from them like she did with previous groups So she offed herself It was the easiest way to spare them the suffering In a way her ending is Tragic yet Poetic when you think about it, and not selfish I’m so tired of hearing people call her suicide selfish Suicide is never selfish She did it, again, because Aj and Clem could not survive with her any longer
An amazing ploy of trolling for her to just off herself without warning nor thinking about what Clem would feel about her making that call. Funniest moment in the series.
Tbh I think ppl would actually like Jane if she had her own story and wasn't (narratively) tied to the group. I think ppl would better like her and understand her if they got to see her being alone and completely true to herself Like a side story where you play as her that eventually or occasionally ties into Clem's story. I'm not saying they should have done this, just that she probably wouldn't be as hated
Also, I do think she offed herself to not be a liability and leave Clem with two babies. Jane was selfish, but at the end of the day, she did care about Clem and saw that Clem had the capability to survive. I also think it was her knowing what happened to Rebecca as well, suspecting that she was going to die regardless and wanting to go out on her own terms I don't particularly like Jane myself, but I think assuming the worst of her decision is a very bad faith reading of her character imo My only issue with what she did is that she didn't try to at least stick around a bit longer to find a safe place for Clem and AJ or leave a note apologizing for leaving them alone the way she did
@@user-ye6fp7kl1o She offed herself because her living philosohy sucks. She could find a group to rely on but nooooooo she wants to be a lone wolf and guess what? You will die when your pregnant or sick or heavily injured and have no one to take care of you
I have always been passionate about the writers getting the characters endings for season 2 wrong. I always felt the right “ending” for Jane was her to be the leader of the betrayal after the frozen lake incident and not Bonnie. It’s very much in her character despite her coming back. I also thought Luke should have never died at the lake but instead been the one to fight Kenny at the end. He was the only character the player would have thought about choosing over Kenny. They had set it up all season and then killed him right before the climax they gave us.
I loved Jane but the truth is , she was better alone, staying alone would’ve prob saved her life , and alone was when she felt good , you know she’s not the type of person who felt good with groups , I think keeping her around before the end was wrong but I love the fact that she gave advices to Clem on how to be a baddass even tho Clem already was.
Jane makes 0 sense for most of her interactions, she tells you the plan to steal the medicine but doesn't like it when you do steal it, helps you at the beginning but sabotages you at the end for no reason at all besides the devs wanting to create drama 💀
Jane took an already unstable person whose entire purpose was caring for that infant, directly disregarded the reality of needing fuel, directly endangered the infant by placing it in an unknown location, then antagonized the guy when he's very extremely understandably upset that the infant is presumed dead and it to be all her fault. She constantly gassed on about how weak people drag the group down etc. and expects that people WOULDN"T think she killed the baby on purpose?!?!?!?!!? Sorry but there is NO UNIVERSE in which Jane ever comes out looking reasonable at all. I will always hate Jane, and she will always be a bad character. Als yes, she absolutely took the easy way out. all that survival of the fittest garbage, she didn't want to face the reality of actually caring about anything that couldn't help itself.
what a sincere and great analysis, I see the character that way too, like... a lot of people want to accuse some pure evil in Jane and Kenny and assume that it haves a correct side when in fact they both have their mistakes and neither of them is completely right , it's so sad that things ended that way in the snow, but Kenny and Jane are complete opposites and would never understand each other, for me in that final choice both options are valid, and I get a little hope when I remember that both Kenny or Jane could be alive out there depending on the choices, I hope Telltale works with this one day if they makes a next game
Jane values her independence more than anything. Even when she allows herself to become attached to Clem and adopts her as her sister she never fully relies on her. This is why she manipulates Clementine and forces the inevitable conflict with Kenny to a head on her own terms. She knows it is impossible to go through childbirth on her own and she's unlikely to be able to terminate the pregnancy without injuring herself, so she commits suicide. Relying on others to get her through it and help her take care of a baby was never something she could do. She's really a fascinating character.
Tbh i don't know why anyone trusts jane. Kenny had every reason to be distrusting of her since she'd leave and then come back just like ben did in season 1 when he giving stuff to bandits which indirectly got kenny's family killed. Kenny has already had experience with someone who's done that before so i don't blame him one bit. Then jane starts purposely provoking kenny, and that's where her character is at its worst. Doing that on purpose is just wrong. If she would've just convinced clem to leave kenny behind and take AJ with them, that would've 100% okay cause yes kenny has a lot problems (some of it gets made out to be worse than it actually is but he definitely has an emotional problem). Instead, she set up a situation where kenny thinks AJ is dead to fight kenny to the death. She couldn't even win on her own. I honestly don't think clementine should even be obligated to help jane. She made a bad and immature decision and imo i think its best to let kenny kill her. Cause remember in the wellington, he cares more about clem and AJ more than jane does and is fine with not being in wellington with clem and AJ. Need i mention what jane does in season 3? Yeah......i don't think she was thinking about clem and AJ at that time. It came off as kinda selfish in a way. In a way i kinda get it but kinda not cause she just ends up dead right then and there and basically leaves clem and AJ on their own. Kenny doesn't do that purpose at all after the fight with jane. He either dies to walkers in season 3 or disappears after the wellington ending in season 2. Tbh jane was a byproduct of the bad and terrible writing of season 2. There's been multiple different story drafts and the one we got was very mid. The story originally was supposed to involve the 400 days characters instead of having arvo in episodes 4 and 5. Arvo was also a byproduct of that as well. I think one of the drafts involved kenny vs luke which got scrapped to kill luke off for no good reason and instead had kenny vs jane which is exactly why jane's character falls off hard after clem wakes up after getting shot by arvo. She was only there to substitute for luke and i guess the situation was supposed to play out differently but that changed cause luke died.
@onlycows726 He'd run off and give supplies to bandits. Jane could've done the exact same thing for potentially dangerous bandits. If it happened once, it could happen again. Ik jane and ben don't have much corelation, but they share a slight correlation if you make an assumption cause kenny doesn't know much about jane, nor does he think she's trustworthy. Kenny only really trusts people he shares a bond with (which knowing how things were in season 1, its understandable). This is why he's such a flawed character.
THE GOAT DROPS ANOTHER VIDEO!!! i think jane is a very interesting character. like you said her sisters death heavily affected her, i perceive it as the fact that jane shut herself off from others so that she wouldnt feel the pain. she traded her morality for will to survive and shes an example of a character with absolutely no moral compass. she shut herself off to never have to lose anyone like that again and considered people liabilities so that losing them wouldnt hurt her i feel like a big part of her character is not critically thinking things through (she comments how she didnt know kenny would 'react like that' trying to kill her, doing something horrible and being surprised it provoked him. doing what she did with luke and then not processing it could get her pregnant.) she doesnt think things through and most of the time someone has to suffer for it (clem has to take care of aj alone after jane puts herself down, clem has to either kill kenny or let jane die) and it feels like shes not only reckless but also careless for the safety of people around her i think her death was a mix of not wanting to burden clem and not wanting to be a liability either but she did it in such an irresponsible way that would traumatise clem regardless. she didnt even let clem say goodbye, she left her corpse for clem to find (imagine what this would do to a teenager whos lost everyone except jane) instead of going somewhere else to do it, she left clem to take care of herself and aj alone. she didnt try to find anyone that could care for clem even, and it seemed she thought clem could take care of herself alone (which she could) but leaving a teenager and a baby alone is horrible and reckless behavior. she promised to never abandon clem again and broke it in the most hurtful way imaginable
I like Jane, I've always liked her. Yes she goes too far at the end of S2 but Kenny has moments of going too far in both s1 and s2 that many fans forgive him for, I don't understand why Jane wasn't looked at in a similar light.
I think what makes Jane interesting is how her view of other people as liabilities can be correct.... in the short term. People go through trial in their lives where living not only is not their priority but even desirable, and almost all who make it through can gain newfound perspective and appreciation of it. Jane however thinks that she failed her sister in getting her through, so as a coping mechanism has removed such possibilities from her mind, that only the strong live as a way to lessen the impact of loss she feels.
@@stucked_up-gregThis is clearly a joke. An old one at that, shrek is love shrek is life? You’re old enough to know TWD, this was only a few years prior.
Not really as she is willing to be close to people that Crawford view as liabilities what is more telling is that she can choose to save Sarah without Clementine's intervention when the balcony dropped. Jane even let in the family at Howe's without Clementine intervening. Not only that she dragged Jaime through some states to keep her alive despite Jaime not being ready for apocalypse like Sarah. Jane even came back for Clementine, despite screwing up at the end. Crawford would not allow her to make those choices if she was part of that group.
i could neve have empathty for jane she left AJ in danger which made kenny go crazy. any parent would react the same way. even if you go with her in the end of season 2, she kills herself in season 3 cause she was pregnant leaving clem and AJ alone to fend for themselves. she took a coward way out because she is a coward. kenny was always the right person to go with.
I'll have to go with "theory" 2 (16:18) since she could have killed AJ since then. Also as the second theory was immediately the one I have thought of when she did it, they were in snow, running out of supplies and there are only three of them and one of them is a huge liability. She couldn't bring the child into the world even if she wanted to, not because she might die, but both of them are another mouths to feed since she needs to nurse it and all. Also, as seen in their situation it looks like they couldn't get to another location due to her situation. TLDR she knew she was holding Clementine back , she didn't want for Clementine to choose like what she did to her sister that's why she didn't let her know, she's a character who treated Clementine like a sister and Jane is someone with strong convictions so she did what she did.
Jane was a character you could really resonate with, especially in episode 4. The time they devoted to her in episode 4 was very good at developing her character and making her sympathetic. I think she would've gone down as one of my favorite characters if she wasn't completely and totally derailed by her sick, twisted plan to oust Kenny. Could've been a good character, her legacy was ruined. She had a lot of promise. It's clear they pulled this out of her ass, too. Kenny's endings are fully fleshed out, and Jane's endings feel very rushed. Jane's legacy is further tarnished by her god awful fate in season 3, if you chose her ending. Kenny spends the next few years (in his ending) protecting/thriving with Clem & Aj, and ends up sacrificing herself. In JANE's ending, they only stay together for a few months and she immediately offs herself after finding out she's pregnant with Luke's baby. Such a shame.
I like Jane, my first playthrough it was an easy choice for me - Kill Kenny. I can tell you from experience, you don't want to have to live with someone like Kenny, someone who's emotionally unstable and can fly into violent fits of rage at any moment. Especially when you're a child half his size. Clementine would learn to constantly walk on eggshells, her nervous system constantly on high alert scanning for signs that the Scary Kenny is about to come out. She'd have to babysit and nurture this grown man's feelings and temper on top of surviving in a zombie apocalypse and raising a newborn baby - when she herself is still a CHILD. Nope, not putting my girl Clem through that. Ofc I didn't have the hindsight that Jane just goes and offs herself in the end, leaving Clem to raise AJ on her own. If I did, I'd just go with the ending where Kenny leaves Clem and AJ at Wellington, the best ending imo (and one of the saddest scenes in the whole series).
The Best Thing Jane taught Clem was the knee then Knife to the head technique. Jane teaching Clementine different survival skills helped keep her alive. Which she then taught to AJ. Jane was trying to prepare Clem for surviving on her own if necessary as groups eventually fall apart. She's was wrong for hiding AJ and trying to kill Kenny.
I remember playing this for the first time. When I saw what Jane did my mouth actually dropped, as I could not believe anyone would be that petty. And yes, she was petty. She endangered a newborn just to prove a point. I understand Jane, but Jane fails to realize her thought process is just as dangerous as Kenny’s.
Personally I hated Jane from the moment she talked about her actions. I’m someone who focuses on what’s morally right and while that will probably get em killed in an apocalypse it made me hate Jane. When I saved Sarah in my playthrough, Jane actively said that I made a stupid decision and should have let her die. Then when she died later in the episode I told Jane to help her and she didn’t even try. In my experience, the two endings of the Kenny/Jane conflict can be summarized by the thing Clem tells Luke in episode 2. He asks Clem what the most important thing is with the answers being Safety, Food, and Family. Kenny represents Family, he is the shining example of doing what you can to save who you care about. Jane represents Food, she believes in An Everyman for himself belief and survival. Anyway those are just my thoughts.
Not that i disagree with anything you said but if i remember right you can actually get Jane to help Sarah when Clem asks her too, Sarah still dies however because a piece of wood hits Jane stunning her for enough time allowing the walkers to get Sarah but its still kinda neat detail even if it doesn't end up mattering Now i dont know how you get Jane to try and help Sarah but its still kinda a neat detail
I don't mind Jane's personality especially when she's in a good group but once the group became smaller and weaker she became more self-serving and manipulative. It is the moral duty of good people to pick up and fix broken people, not leave them behind or goad them into a blind rage like she did to Kenny and on top of that destroying Luke's unborn child when it's the only piece of him left is wrong.
For me, i chose jane she was a big sister to clem teaching defence, resilience, and self presentation, as well as knowing when to give up. The things that made me side with her was 1. She new how to walk with the dead 2. She a like a big sister 3. Taught clem the kick and stab technique of killing walkers 4. She kept her hair short 5. She kept her head down 6. Saving sarah only ended with her death 7. She saved clem from the ice 8. She seemed way more stable than kenny And kenny well he was dangerous trying to control clem who was half the time treated as an adult. He beet the Russian kid and made the remaining group split. i also accidently killed his girlfriend so he was mad at clem. However the best choice is kenny as we see in s3 flash backs
Her statement about Kenny being a liability in his current state is an interesting statement to me considering anyone who lost their family would be in a very similar state. I mean look at Rick after the death of Lori and Carl. He did a lot of irrational things that could have and in some cases made it very difficult on the whole group. Eventually he came back around and was the leader they needed him be. He just had to grieve and come back to himself. I’m not trying to hate on Jane or anything it’s just an interesting thing I noticed.
Loving the content so far big dog. You gotta invest in an outro though, I be listening to these at work and they just end. Great videos though man can’t wait for more❤
I will never like Jane, what she did to AJ and Kenny is unforgivable, Kenny had problems sure but he needed support, he wasnt evil devil like she wanted to potray him, she provoked him and gave him very undertable reason to attack her.
Jane was not completely wrong. Kenny was tired of losing his loved ones and becomes more easily agitated more violent. But her idea of going solo just sucks while Kenny's idea of finding a community was better.
i personally think that theres to much bias when it comes to kennys charchter esspecially after you factor in that jane was right about kenny and thats before knowing about season 1 kenny. which is something i think alot of people forget about when talking about jane and kennys final moments. exp in season 1 kenny was a coward and hypocrite who made terrible rash decisions who was also more two faced than a peny and after his son and wife died it got worse. while jane said she was selfish there were times were kenny was genially selfish and it costed lees life WHICH PEOPLE ALSO FAIL TO MENTION(basically if you dont suck up to kenny the whole game he dosent help lee find clem even if you do a pacifist like run) in terms of not only selfishness and manipulative KENNY IS A 100% worse than jane its not even close. and fyi killing someone over an assumption (that she is selfish enough to leave aj even thou she made sure he was perfectly safe) isnt a valid reason to end someone and justifying that because of kennys past isnt even a morally right thing to do.
Jane's living phylosophy sucks. oh look at me im competent than others i need no one until well you are pregnant and have to rely on others. i have to off myself now so that i wont become a liability to Clem. Being in a group or a community are always better than just being a lone wolf.
I see Jane as basically a human version of Crawford,as you and many others pointed out,not only was what she did in episode 5 manipulative,but also out of character,Jane wasn’t the type to instigate situations,she was the type to leave situations if she feels uncomfortable,and considering how she acted throughout the game,it doesn’t feel unrealistic that she’d leave Aj behind to die to save her own life
As someone who got a crappy version of Kenny (because apparently not siding with him when killing Lily's dad taints a lot of interactions with Kenny from then on), I never understood why everyone loved him. Also I didn't like the idea of going north to the bitter cold where hunger and the elements would be just as if not more likely to kill you than the zombies. So between the two, I preferred Jane, especially when Kenny only ever criticized everyone unless they just went along with whatever plan he had in mind. But I really did not like what Jane did just to prove a point... Then she ends her own life anyway which left an awful taste in my mouth...
@@onlycows726 Kenny made the right call mind you. Larry was not gonna leave that meatlocker and you have to do CPR on him to keep his blood flowing until you have a eletrical device that deliever shocks to his heart or meds that can be injected into his veins. Kenny views you as not backing up his hard decision and almost foolishly getting everyone in meatlocker including Kenny killed. Even in season 2 when Kenny becomes tired of losing his loved ones and becomes more easily agitated more violent, his idea of finding a community is still better than Jane's idea of going solo.
I hate Jane. My reasoning is that when I first played through, I saved her from Kenny and when she revealed that it was all a rouse, I was furious with her so I left her. She’s an interesting character but the fact that she’d go that far is just ridiculous. Yes, Kenny was dangerous but too far gone to be redeemed? No. And to deliberately traumatise the man and break him just to prove a point is evil. If I play through all the TWD games again, I’d let Kenny kill her knowing what I know now.
there's no way to understand or explain jane she witnessed entire group die and fall apart and she has set her sights on kenny for some reason and she decides TO HIDE THE BABY and pretend that she left the baby to die anyone would murder jane in this situation and kenny's 100% normal reaction to those events is supposed to prove that he's insane and what does she do when you kill kenny and stay with her? she kills herself after she finds out she's pregnant with luke's child
The thing people have to understand about Jane, is that, despite her compentence, Jane is actually a very broken person. She's basically given up on life. She's surviving, yes, but, she's given up on actually living. She starts actually caring about Clementine, but, Clem's got somebody she already cares about, Kenny. Jane pushes Kenny to create a rift between Kenny and Clem. Not for Clementine's benefit, but, for her own.
i absolutely agree with this and that's why when people say that what jane did was out of character makes no sense because while i hated it all it was completely in line with how much of shattered person jane is. she's willing to risk and suggest abandoning a literal new born child because she has no life inside her left. i have mixed feelings about kenny, but jane saw anything that clem cared for as an interference
Jane had potential since she taught Clem to fight more easily a walker without struggling like she did before. She was more focused to antagonizing Kenny, even if she had a point, she didn’t tried to appease the situation, she made it worse, even by hiding AJ in a car and not telling them where he was.
I hate to say it but i feel they just made jane do that so we could have a final choice but the whole jane kenny thing just feels fabricated from nothing
A lot of things people really misunderstand about Jane. 1 she is not an evil character. It’s easy to just call Jane the villain and call it a day but the case isn’t as simple as that because all of her actions toward clementine come from good intentions. She heard the fighting between your group and the Russians and came back and even saved Kenny’s life when Vitali almost had him. She could’ve just let him do the work for her then take him down. Hiding the baby while it was wrong to deliberately set Kenny off also came from good intentions because Jane believed Kenny was dangerous which her point is quickly proven. 2 her death in season 3 is not as selfish as people say it is. There are many factors people don’t include that in accordance with her death. The first being that Rebecca died giving birth to Aj. If the same thing happens again clementine is left alone caring for two baby’s which we all saw she just struggled taking care of 1. She never would’ve managed 2 at her age. And second abortion would not be an option because killing it would just make it a walker and Jane would die anyway but much more slowly. The last major reason people keep siding with Kenny is out of personal bias. We’ve only known Jane for three episodes and we’ve known Kenny for two entire seasons. You got to witness Kenny’s story, got to know his family but you are only told Janes story you didn’t get to see it unfold. I promise reverse Jane and Kenny’s places in the timeline you’d just as easily be siding with Jane as you are Kenny.
She isn’t evil true, but selfish. She left 2 children to fend for themselves, when she could’ve lived, maybe they would’ve found a settlement to help her with the pregnancy
@@dannyhernandez265 she couldn’t have lived. She would have either died like Rebecca or tried to abort it turning the baby into a walker resulting in her dying anyway.
@@DeadX2 I just explained she would die no matter what she did. Giving birth to it would kill her Aborting it would kill her. Unaliving at least doesn’t burden Clem with another baby
Honestly I thought this is the writers bad writting, by the end you can tell they needed all the characthers off for the final fight (k1lling a bunch of characters near the end) and they likely planned the final fight to be between Luke and Kenny, but Luke would have never, so they had to changue it to Jane because it seemed more fitting lol
The devs thought the majority would pick Jane, which shows frankly how out of touch with reality they are. You take a good family man that has lost 2 wives in tragic circumstances, that has done everything to protect a little girl in an apocalypse that he has no blood relation to, put him through all the events of S1 and S2 and he gets them a working car, just for Jane to intentionally prod him about his family taking advantage of his anger issues (which frankly are useful in an apocalypse lets be frank, killing Carver and bandits is an objectively good thing) and then implying she's let a baby die? Of course Kenny is justified in killing Jane, she deserved to be eaten by walkers like her sister.
I mean when the game first came out, a lot of people sided with Jane. Almost all of the big TH-cam channels that did playthroughs chose Jane. Only one big channel sided with Kenny.
Jane is interesting, and one of the better Walking Dead VILLAINS. Selfish and driven to make self centered decisions that divide the group and get people killed multiple times. Then actively picking the fight with Kenny, pre-meditated, in hopes to kill him. Kenny is unhinged and needs some therapy but he was there for the crew and Clem. #teamKenny
I think jane was well written but i would never stick with her, in the end she risked an infants life to provoke a fight to prove a point to clementine, then if we chose to go on with her she ends up c0mmiting when shit hits the fan, unlike kenny (who is also extremely flawed) goes to the end of his road (either to wellington or at the carcrash) to ensure clementines & AJs survival. Well written, but i think shes a shit person, she has her points but she’s selfish, and thats her downfall.
I like and understand Jane, but when she does the whole stunt with AJ is where I just lose all respect. As someone els said Luke was supposed to be in Jane’s place and since they had Jane instead they didn’t really have a solid reason to have her fight Kenny so they kinda rushed together this “Jane tryna probe Kenny is crazy” stuff. I honestly think Jane and Clem could have been a awesome duo if AJ, Kenny and Jane’s pregnancy wasn’t in the picture. The ending Iv always gone with is to leave Jane when she does the stunt with AJ, I like her character but all that was crossing a line.
I dont hate jane as much as other people. Although she is definaitly not in my top 5. Kenny and jane are more similar then they realize. Both of them are troubled by truama and they feel like they need to correct it through clementine. Their truama reveals flaws to the people around them. For kenny its his stoborn anger issues for jane its through distancing herself and looking down on others and viewing liabilities over anything. One problem Truama cuases is it makes people to have trouble authoring new memories because they are reliving the pain of the reminder of old The point jane beleived is that if kenny can be pushed over the edge than he would be a danger to clementine, but the thing that would push him over the edge is if he lost clementine or AJ. in season 3 if you go with kenny clementine doesnt seem afraid of kenny in any sort of way kenny is trying to correct hie failure to save duck. Clementines reintroduction to his life brings a fear he cant save duck again. And his story always ends in season 3 with him comming to terms with it by letting her go or being able to be a family again. For jane clementine is what jamie couodnt be a survivor and its guilt that drives her back. Guilt: is a mentality that I did bad Shame: is the mentality i am bad (often its a social emotion) Shame is often a more self destructive emotion but, jane in a way kind of is an example of a person who's lack of shame leaves her unable to see anybody weak as worth saving and when she is questioned by the group she still lacks any shame for her actions. However, her sense of shame does exist and the reason she chooses to save clementine is the sliver of shame she has for not saving jamie. But, the way i think of jane is she is molly if she stayed in crawford. Both molly and jane have a fear of attatchment but, Jane adopted the mentality of crawdord. Molly's truama left her unable to stand people who only care for themselves. Molly while she never stayed with lee she is able to not totally cut off her ability to form new relationships. Jane is so afraid of attachment the only new cinnections she makes are based on old ones. She does try to rectify this but, in the end she beleives people eventually fall victim to themselves. She proved that herself. Anywaysvthat was a deap dive into a charater i dont even put in ky top 5
Never liked Jane personally i always thought she was selfish and never truly cared for Clem, near the end of S2 simply putting AJ's life in danger to prove a point that clem already knew wasn't practically at all, her actions showed she'll put herself first no matter who's at risk.. Kenny was always loyal and caring hes a troubled character who lost everything twice.. in the end he did the most unselfish thing by asking clem to stay at wellington and he can leave, providing where his mortals are at
I still think shooting Kenny is a better end for him rather than him flying out of a windshield and getting eaten by walkers, Clementine gives him closure before he dies and he goes out less painfully
@@onlycows726 yeah I do agree with that, cause when he dies like that Clementine can say he’ll see Katja and Duck again. Going with Jane is a no-go however
Jane only cared about replacing her Sister Clementine was the perfect target. Kenny was just trying to do what’s best for the group even though Wellington was a bad choice he was willing to give up AJ and Clementine for them to have a better life.
Many people defend Jane, and others wonder why there’s so much hate for her. A large part of it stems from the ending of Season 2. She manipulates both Kenny and Clementine, triggers a fight with Kenny thinking she’ll win, but when he gains the upper hand, she drags Clementine into it, forcing her to shoot someone she cares about to save Jane. Then it turns out AJ is alive, and Kenny died for absolutely nothing because Jane was so convinced she would take better care of Clementine than Kenny would. Then, just a few months later, she dies the way she does, leaving Clementine, who’s maybe 12 years old, completely alone with AJ in the world, trying to survive. She could have had someone like Kenny there to help her. Sure, Kenny has his dark sides, but as we see in the version where you choose to stay with him, he does everything in his power to take care of both AJ and Clementine until the car accident. The tragedy lies in traumatizing a little girl into killing a father figure, only to abandon her not long after.
Lmao the Jane hate is crazy. An individualistic survivor, KENNY represents family and loyalty. Lee represented something more. Yes he loved Clem like a father just like Kenny but Lee was also a fantastic leader people gravitated around. Jane - individualist Kenny - US v them familial loyalty Lee - a community leader who will fight tooth and nail to get the best out of everyone. It would have been interesting to see Lee found or takeover a settlement. Sometimes the cards just don't fall right.
ok i see people justifying her decision to take herself out and honestly the arguments ive seen i can kinda agree with them honestly... i mean she would either die from child birth, or die trying to abort it, and would leave clem in a bad situation if she had the kid and died. but it doesnt change the fact that she started shit with kenny knowing full well he would try to kill her for what she did knowing she would like have to try and kill him or clem would have to step in, THAT was selfish of her as kenny had the best interest of the kids in mind, and as you see he either agrees with you killing him, agrees that you should get away from him, or agrees you should stay in welington, and if you stay with him he sacrifices himself to save clem and aj. so yeah understandable why she did what she did in season three, still complete bullshit way to end season 2. honestly alot of shit with season two annoys me simply because so many people seem to lack common sense and a basic understanding of people. yeah kennys kinda loseing it, man lost 2 friends and a lover and an eye in the span of like 5 days. hell not to mention all of that can kinda be blamed on the group hes now traveling with. the fact everyone trusted arvo was completely stupid as he literally helped try to rob you. not to mention when he ran across the lake everyone was more concerned kenny would hurt him then what might be in the fucking house, seriously that fucking rifle arvo had wasnt something anyone in the group had last i checked so that means it was in the house which he likely knew about since it was his groups stash house so yeah if kenny didnt chase him down and he got to the house he could have killed any of them, so yeah lukes death was absolutely arvos fault and kenny was completely justified in giving arvo that beat down. and then mike and bonnie fucking run off with arvo after everything ready to leave clem and aj behind with someone they think is deranged and planned on stealing all the food at the same time, and they still run off with him even after he shoots clem? yeah no should have had them show up in one of the later season to be put down for that shit. i wont say kenny was perfect but he at least was makeing the most sense out of everyone in the group in my opinion, not all his choices were right but he knew what was most important and did what he thought would ensure the survival of the group. will say now though i do think they should have gone back to howes to see if they cant get a bunch of supplys and a truck to make getting to wellington easier, probably could have saved rebecca if they cleared it out and rested for a few days, odds are arvos group wouldnt have found them, and with a truck and all those supplies wellington would have had no reason to turn them all away
Ive always seen Kenny as more of a tragic figure than an abuser, similar to Guts from Berserk. He tries to do what's best for who he loves but always ends up hurting them by mistake. Jane on the other hand is a snake
Things Jane did was fucked for sure, however the fact she had to keep dragging her sister and refusing to listen making Jane deciding to leave her sister to die I understand especially now as getting older I've realised no matter how much you try to help someone who don't help themselves will just end up dragging you down.
I wish Jane wasn’t so dead set on showing how mentally unstable Kenny was. She seemed like a great survivalist and interesting character overall. I liked Jane, just wish she didn’t do the things she did near the end :/
@@678fireplacesuicide is very fitting for her character. She abandoned every character first chance she got in S2.
For what little we know about her, it’s canon that:
1. She abandons her sister
2. She manipulated and abandoned Troy (likely to earn favors in carvers camp but point still stands)
3. She abandons Sarah and tries to convince Clem to do so
4. asks Rebecca “what are you gonna do with it?” (In context of AJ, implying she wants her to abort AJ)
5. After the guilt of Luke sex, abandons the entire group
6. Realized she was depressed and comes back, only to want to not only abandon Kenny; but manipulate Clem into killing him, because Clem reminds her of her sister.
@@shadesonbroadwayye clem only likes clem cause She was capable like her and If You became a liability to her She would. Ce done the same with you
@@shadesonbroadway I feel like using the word abandoned into some of these scenarios is quite harsh. Her philosophy and a lot of these situations is not incorrect. Was she supposed to just continue on dragging her sister along when she didn't want to live anymore. It's honestly selfish to do that, her sister was suffering. So was she supposed to keep dragging her and let her suffer more or supposed to just sit there and die with her? Sing she manipulated in abandoned Troy as if it's something wrong that she did is weird to me knowing who Troy is. That's one of the things that shows how good of a character she is. I don't know if you're using the words manipulated and abandoned in a negative way to insinuate that she's a bad person for it but typically those words insinuate that the person is bad for it. Been a lot of situations for survival you need to manipulate people, especially the bad ones like Troy. And clearly abandoning people sometimes is what you need to do to continue on living. I will never blame her for what she did with her sister because it clearly eats her up every single day but she could not change the trajectory her sister wanted to go. I hate the way it's almost as if people believe she should have done more with her sister. She couldn't give her sister a will to live so what more did you want her to do
jane sucked lol she cared about no one but herself and her point made no sense
@@678fireplace she doesnt lol
In the end choosing Jane is a bad move since she kills herself. While Kenny died by sacrificing himself to save AJ and Clem.
Kenny didn't sacrifice himself, he made a dumb decision that winter was the best time to teach a preteen to drive and then got Darwined for not wearing a seatbelt.
@@pantarhei8457 that’s not the point. Even in his crippled state he still worried about Clem and aj and decided to not point fingers at Clem and choose to sacrifice himself by distracting the zombie so they could escape. Meanwhile, Jane is hanging around.
@@cerbus6597 Another point is that AJ was a toddler in Kenny's scene, while he was still clearly a baby in Jane's, so that means that with Kenny, Clem was happy for at least a year and some change (the longest she's been with someone during the apocalypse, period) while with Jane she only lasted a few months.
@@daynial2240 Kenny also taught Clementine how to drive, which is obviously useful information in an apocalypse
@@pathetic2399 Yeah. The best part is Clementine starts S4 driving a car, which for those that took the Kenny route makes it all the more meaningful, because otherwise she likely would've just taught herself (or someone from Prescott taught her)
If Kenny represents family and loyalty, Jane represents individuality and survival. Her ending shows how far surviving on your own can only go so far, and that you can't reject those connections you build. A lot of people see Jane as selfish, but she is also on par with Lee on how much Clem repeats her lessons, hiding with walkers and hitting the knees to attack. Personally, Kenny is the better option of the two because Clem needs the family and stability after losing the group, and Jane's actions at the end were the one time she did it out of selfishness rather than survival.
It's good to see someone that acknowledges that, one way or another, Clem learned from Jane.
That’s absolutely stupid. She makes some of the worst decisions in the series. First she gets caught slacking with Luke, then she helps Arvo and even defends him from Kenny, she also wasnt aware that Bonnie and Mike betrayal. Finally she comes up with a ridiculous plan to take Kenny out by fighting him physically. Also where did all their guns go? She is no survivor but then again most of the season 2 characters arent either
@@kingcamelot1395Clem learned nothing. She already knew covering with guts strategy. The only reason she wasnt as capable as someone like kenny or luke is because she was a kid and was surrounded by idiots.
Dont you ever compare Lee with Jane. Lee would not abbandon people like Jane does. in season 1 ep 1 he did not abbandon the woman who was crying inside a room at Motor inn, in ep 5 Lee risked everything to find Clem.
@@Batx0123LOLXD agreed and you also can do the knee trick TWICE with the walkers even before meeting jane in episode 2, when 1.) You choose to attack the bigger walker with luke and 2.) Another walker on the bridge lol. Oh and you can search the walker's pockets that was tied to the tree in episode 1 as well. Ya jane didn't teach Clem shite 😂
"I'll never leave you Clementine." kills herself
She was pregnant. She would have become a liability eventually, especially if the baby came to term. She kind of did Clem a massive favour
@@cocob0l0i mean she could've done an abortion, find a coat hanger wire and still live for clem
@@nickando1734 Do you have any idea how dangerous and painful that would be? She’d probably end up dying of infection anyways.
@ well she could also throw herself down a set of stairs. If she was really all about herself, she could've abandoned the baby after too. Just saying it's a bummer she felt she had to off herself
@@nickando1734 Pregnancy in the zombie apocalypse is basically a death sentence. It sucks, yeah. But unfortunately they weren’t a part of a group so there was no way in hell Jane would’ve survived it
Jane seemed like a decent character up until the whole on the road bickering with Kenny. She knew he wasn't in a good headpsace but decided to keep poking and prodding at him, then faking AJ's death, a baby Kenny put so much help into making sure he would survive past childbirth, real genus move, lady. 🙄
Kenny ending all the way.
She saw him for what he is, a complete narcissist. By the end of the first game, Kenny should have grown up even a little and learned from the mistakes that took the lives of his family. Instead he just... finds a new one, gets them killed, and shows a side that borders on complete rage against anything that stands against what he wants. Kenny is only good if the world is good to Kenny, if one person is not good to Kenny, he will get them killed directly or not. That's what Jane saw and what she needed Clem to see.
It's not fucking rocket science lol.
@@noxlunesiaImagine saying that Kenny is the narcissist in a situation where someone made it out that they killed a baby so to get a rise out of them to prove a point lmao.
@@noxlunesia Narcissist? Kenny? How the hell did you reach that conclusion? Are we forgetting the fact that him being angry is literally justified because the group Clem with is the cause of his complete breakdown? If anything, Kenny not going completely nuclear against the group that cause him so much grief is a miracle in of itself. Especially when THEY kept sniding the man behind his back even though THEY are the ones that brought Carver to his lodge.
@@noxlunesia Kenny isnt the one who put a baby in danger and at risk of dying just to have a "gotcha" moment.
Kenny is broken, not a narcissist.
Neither were in a good headspace, they'd both suffered terrible losses and now fate has you riding shotgun to a ticking nuke and a little girl you love who refuses to get away from it.
How would you handle it? How would you save her?
I'd like to think if Lee was there he would have worked hard to get Kenny back to his best whereas Jane wanted to scare you by showing you his worst. Then Lee would have taught Jane that the people we love all have value and you can't spend your life terrified of what their worst day looks like.
I love Jane personally. Simply put, she was mischaracterized and changed at the end of the season because Luke was supposed to be the one to bump heads with Kenny.
For some reason, they klled Luke off early so they had to use Jane and Jane didn't have any big issues with Kenny. Putting that baby in danger is out of character for her, she wouldn't put people in danger to prove a point, she would've did something else.
I think more accurately she wouldn't put HERSELF in danger, or cheapen her life with suicide (I'm not judging those who have taken their lives, just wording it in a way a character that fights tooth and nail to live would maybe aay)
@@stuffwithsoph8264 the sewer slide thing imo was in character. She saw herself as a liability and took herself out instead of allowing anyone else to. It's sad, but that was in character
I heard it was because people shipped Luke and Clem but I’m not sure how true that is
@@0BlaydeX they would not do that for such an odd reason, and another thing is that its a well known fact a lot of stuff already programmed like scenes and storylines for season 2 was removed late in development for no good reason
@@0BlaydeXYou gotta not believe everything you see online 💀
“I’m gonna show you how mentally unstable Kenny is by doing something extremely mentally unstable.”
"I'm going to show you this guy is a raging lunatic by crafting a situation where the only one who loses if I fuck this up, is me."
I hated the way they ended Jane's story. She was a great character. Definitely having abandonment issues, but her and Luke were my favorites. Jane being pregnant and killing herself sucks so much. They ruined her after her betrayal to Clem to prove Kenny was a liability. Kenny would have never hurt Clem.
i think her sisters death broke her a lot more than she ever realized
Jane is basically afraid of an abandonment. She abandons people before they can abandon her. The problem is it drags you and other people down. The pattern is destructive beacause Jane is not aware of its consequences. And I think that is the main difference between Jane and Kenny. They are both very flawed and unstable, but Kenny can admit his mistakes without racionalizing and wants to move forward. He is open to change. Jane on the other hand wants to “go back south” even though in episode 4 she is the one who says “When everything goes south don’t let them drag you down with them.”She always thinks the problem is someone else and not her. She projects her own insecurities on others and masks it with her “I already know how it’s gonna be.”If you don’t shoot Kenny and Clem says to him that he is dangerous after discovering AJ is alive he’ll respond “I know Clem, but I’m trying to change, I’m workin’ on it.”If you save Jane and Clem says to her that she is crazy and dangerous Jane will respond “I had to do it”. And there it is, crazy people don’t know they’re crazy.
I don't know if it's THAT simple. A lot of people think they can rationalize these situations having over a decade to think about it now about a scenario that's happening in the freaking apocalypse, but the reality is you're trying to rationalize something in a irrational situation. I am by no means defending Jane or her actions and don't have a dog in the fight about who should be picked, but the with the world they now find themselves in, both characters can be justified. "crazy people don’t know they’re crazy" is also categorically false, the wording just sugar coats Kenny's behavior: "I'm going to work on my murderous thoughts and intentions" is a crazy thing to say because Kenny IS crazy. Saying "i know" after is just painting a turd white and expecting it not to smell bad. This isn't the normal world anymore where go: "oh poor thing, you can't keep your emotions in check, let's get you to a therapist so you can work on yourself". If you can't control your emotions, you are a detriment to those around you. Jane, meanwhile, is more calculated and knows how people act. It's cold, and many people like to think that makes her a bad person, and maybe it does, but you cannot make that decision knowing the type of world they're in now. I think because many people sympathizing with people having a mental health crisis detracts from what Jane was trying to prove; that if Kenny is dead set on something, he will act on it whether he thinks the information is right or wrong. Imagine if he thought Clem did something to AJ, he would outright kill her without a second thought. Semantics I know, but you can't know how those people are going to act. Who's to say Kenny wouldn't have changed if he didn't have that encounter with Jane? We'll never know, but saying "I'm trying to change" does not justify that.
Jane isn't going to kill someone just because she THINKS something happened. Kenny would, regardless if it's true. In the end, you get to decide who to kill. I like both options as it's an interesting dynamic.
@@Horible4Sorry for only responding now. First of all, I didn’t say Kenny is okay. He definitly has lots of anger problems but he doesn’t have murderous intentions. He broke in a situtation that was purposly and impulsivly created by another person (Jane) who desperetly wanted to gain Clem for herself because she had no one. I’m not saying she is an evil person don’t get me wrong. She is just as broken as Kenny is. I would argue even more but like you said that is for everyone’s interpretation. There was nothing to prove about Kenny. The whole season was about him getting depper and depper to the bottom losing everyone. The point is Jane is already at the bottom. There is a saying’ only a blind person envies an one eyed man. And Jane saw everything in dark. Everyone was going to leave you, you can’t trust anyone, always think in the worst case scenario. Now of course you can interpret it to the situation of apocalypse but the same you can do with Kenny’s flaws. I think Jane ended up in the lower position in the fight with Kenny because she attacked him from the lower, more desperate position. It’s just my own interpretation. They are both kinda two sides of the same coin. Kenny is unstable and impulsive because he lost everything. Jane lost everything because she’s unstable and impulsive.
@@belzebubko_666 Nah you're good. It sounds like we both have the same conclusion on the matter that both of them have problems. It's honestly pretty impressive clementine is so level headed for her age at this point while everyone else is slowly losing their sanity. All of my favorite characters died by this point in the story so I wasn't really invested in either of these two.
I will forever hold the opinion that Molly should've been in season 2 and taken Jane's role
I will forever hold the opinion that Lilly should've been in season 2.
She doesnt really do much in Season 4 that cant be replaced by any generic "Fascists Survivalist" carver type that we've seen atleast one of in EVERY season.
The only reason it took so long for them to use Lilly again was because Telltale was trying to tie her lore into the Comics, but Robert Kirkman told them flatout "NO."
@@sasaki999pro not to mention apparently they also considered using Christa for Lily's role in season 4. We could've had closure there
@@moon7shinev150 Oh that would have been so much better! Especially considering how embittered Christa was towards Clem after losing Omid and their baby, could've even tried projecting that loss on to AJ.
Kenny confronting Lilly and Clem confronting Christa could have been amazing resolutions to their arcs.
Nah.
Molly should of died and CHUCK should of taken her place. Way more believable survivalist, way more used to living on scraps and scavenger, used to giving up the luxuries of life before the apocalypse even hit. Aged and wise, cares about people but ultimately also fair weather and has low standards.
He died so molly can screen time, which makes molly worthy of death for that alone. Chuck is a way better character to come back, he's also a much better character to have as someone who is able to get up and go from any group, as he is by nature a drifter. Making the unreliability and individualistic aspect make more sense. He also is the person who directly told Lee to guide clementine and more or less forwarned Lee that treating Clem like how Sarah was treated will slowly make her unprepared both pragmatically and psychologically. Which would give a good perspective on what happened sarah and a good reason to butt heads. It makes sense why he might see Sarah as a lost cause because of that, than Jane did. But he's also in a position enough to be convinced to try anyway.
I actually like Jane for the most part. She’s a solo survivor and was forced to leave her sister behind who had given up and just wanted to die. One of the most interesting things about post apocalyptic stories like TWD is how much will to live the protagonists have. I would probably off myself right away as there’s no way I’d survive long and I’d probably become so defeated by the end of the world mentally. Not everyone wants to survive that. But it definitely “jaded” Jade as keeping her sister safe was the one thing she had to keep going to do. Now she doesn’t really have anyone and everyone else always eventually dies so it’s difficult to let yourself get close to anyone. She recognises that Clem is unusually strong willed and clever and only really sticks around to teach her more skills. The whole game was trying to push for a “Kenny is going insane” narrative and the original plan for season 2 was for it to be Luke vs Kenny but they killed Luke off early because of the weird Clem/Luke shipping going on. So Jane ended up shoehorned into Luke’s anti-Kenny sentiment despite Luke having more history with Kenny than her. Her decision to abandon AJ in the cold and antagonise Kenny into trying to kill her was so brain dead though. And even worse if you side with her and go back to the warehouse with her she hangs herself in S3 - abandoning Clem with an infant and forcing Clem to also have to kill her in zombie form. At least Kenny does take care of Clem and AJ either by sticking with them until he has to sacrifice himself for them or letting them get into Wellington alone. That’s where I always end up siding against her but she is an interesting character and don’t hate her.
I don’t get why people told Jane what she did was right when she hid AJ? She put AJ in danger and got Kenny killed just to prove a point. She could’ve stopped it at anytime but she chose not to.
Exactly. She's far more dangerous than she claims Kenny is
@@bugcatcherjacky1334 Yup
What she did was wrong but it proved her point Kenny was as unstable as she said.
@@spencerbowden2979 It really didn't. Anyone would snap if they lost a child, especially after having already lost his family before.
If anything, it proved the length Kenny was willing to go to protect the people he loved, and kill those that threaten them. What Jane's action did to me was solidify that I needed to keep Kenny by my side. He may be cruel and blood thirsty, but this guy will go through hell and back to keep Clem safe
@@bugcatcherjacky1334 usually people don’t just accuse people of murder without valid proof from a mere implication something happened.
Kenny is not protecting anyone trying to kill Jane.
Ah yes, the great plan to show how evil Kenny is by making him think you killed a baby and then him getting mad you killed said baby. Truly a great way to make yourself seem like the moral person in that situation
Yeah I get jane but she really shouldve left kenny alone knowing how he is and it was STUPID!! Then if you decide to roll with her she just ends it like what was the point smh
Yea her fighting kenny was completely out of nowhere and insane. I think they actually would've made a good team if they had more time to learn about each other but noooo she just has to prove kenny is insane
@@JamesHigh-ji8wfShe profited off the fact She knowed how muc
Kenny had his Anger issues but She was straight manipulație by doing that plus her gaslighting You into leaving sarah or the group or to leave kennyh kenny cared about aj and that he was broken after sărită died once again plus his Anger. Y putting a kid in danger that Alone makes her way worse than him plus even post this fight and how they fie in season 1 IT shows again why kenny îs better i mean at the end of the day he s been the family Man and in both seasons he s losing what he loved clem enduring way worse since he lost like everyone from Lee kenny and people around her
@@JamesHigh-ji8wf1v1 my schnoople ya fekkkegobller
Just how she left Clem TWICE 😭😭😭
@@Thenoble1j i never chose her for a reason ,kenny was a day 1 after all..
It's really interesting. Jane is one of those characters that confuses players. I always looked at Larry and Lilly with better eyes because of how well written there characters are. Just because they do bad things doesn't make them bad characters because we see there flaws. Emotions. For Jane I think it can be similar but since her personality does strike against Kenny's. The background od understanding her is lost in translation and is instantly written off as a dumb character. Sorta fair but at the same time, am glad there is some clarity. Really enjoying these deep dives into characters. I agree alot with what you have to say. And I do like studying characters. Lilly for example, while complicated. Is a very amazing character in her own right.
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Lilly is a children kidnapper and uses children as sacrificial pawns in a war against another community. And before season 4, she backstabbed Lee if you had taken her into the van in S1. She was already becoming a darker character since ep 3 of season 1. The only reedeemable thing about her is that she could not kill Clem and tried to make Clem see things her way and join her group.
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Jane is like a more tamed quiet version of Selena from 28 Days Later, Selena also didn't like people slowing her down and even threatened to kill or abandon Jim if he slowed her down or put her in a position where she might get killed. She also killed partner Mark after he got scratched / cut by the infected despite him showing no signs of turning into an infected.
She told me to stay out of it, so I did.
She did ask for my help at the end when Kenny was about to stab her "Clem…Help!" that’s when I stepped in and took the shot.
The worst part about what Jane did is thay she put AJ at risk. Like, she didn't take into consideration what would happen if Clem sided with Kenny. If that happened and Jane ended up dying in that situation withour revealing where AJ was, Kenny and Clem could've ended up unknowingly leaving AJ to die in that car to freeze to death. Regardless of whether Jane was right about Kenny, she still deliberately put the life of baby in jeopardy just to prove a point. I honestly think she's just as bad as she believed Kenny was. Maybe she wasn't a direct threat to Clem, but she was clearly just as big a threat to everyone else, including AJ.
The thing about Jane is that she’s technically right but because the game is based around the emotional bonds between the player and the characters if you played the first game you are most likely to be emotionally invested in Kenny rather than Jane but she’s right in fact not only is she right but her plan was more logical and safer than Kenny’s but that doesn’t mean that we as players want to follow her because she pushes Kenny into being wrong which again she’s technically right about but that doesn’t mean that her actions were justified, if only Jane was introduced earlier in the game or even being changed for Molly since they both have very similar backstories and motivations just Jane is colder and less emphatic than Molly I also think that this would’ve helped Sarah’s character as well since Jane if introduced earlier could’ve developed a relationship with her even seeing her as her and clementine being parallels to Jane and her sister and forming stronger bonds for her eventual rescue to be even stronger when it comes to the emotional attachment of both Jane and Sarah
Holy God, finally someone with 2 brain cells that bring that out! Kenny wanted to roam "To that direction" without even a bag with food for the baby and without proper refugee, until by some miracle they stumble upon their promised land, which being this an apocalypse and in their experience, not only didn't they know whether it existed or not, but there was a huge chance it could be a trap from slavers or cannibals, or be already desolated after a raid or zombies as it ended happening 1 years later anyway.
Jane, provide a reasonable and more down to earth solution that focused on the baby over her own desires and feelings (She hated being trapped in Carver's), she taking her own life selfish may it be, but it doesn't take away she was right.
I feel like understanding Jane isn’t a hard decision at all as long as you don’t have a extremely strong emotional bias towards Kenny,
Something notable about her suicide
It was the only safe 100% option she had
If she left with Clem to try and find others she’d have to find a group of people safe enough to trust before she got too pregnant to keep going, in which case her Clem and Aj would surely perish to natural causes, that’s ignoring the concept of them running into NOT safe people
If she stayed there with the baby Clem and Aj, Clem would have to become the sole source of food water ect, due to Jane being heavily pregnant, but Clem can’t do that AND take care of Aj, considering his age he would get into all sorts of trouble
once it’s time to have the baby she would have to deliver it herself, which is near impossible. characters like Rebecca get lucky, most pregnancies aren’t easy enough to survive in apocalypse conditions, especially if you are alone with one pre-teen girl, and a noisy loud toddler, even if the baby survived the delivery Jane likely wouldn’t,
meaning Clem would be stranded alone with a newborn baby and Aj, Clem can’t leave the baby and it can’t eat or drink regular foods, it needs milk, it’s loud, it’s a lot more responsibility than Aj, Clem can’t take care of two babies, she’s 12, Jane’s baby would likely die of starvation or worse and Clem would be left traumatized, a newborn baby? Especially one she’s likely been taking care of for at least a few days? if clems unstable then how in the world would she take care of Aj enough to survive
Then the last resort, an at home abortion, it doesn’t take a genius to understand that doing a abortion without any medical tools, any form of sterilization or any doctor on standby is just a disaster, her chances of infection due to the wounds that would likely be left are insanely high and it’s not like Clem and her were swimming in antibiotics in case of that
By killing herself she was leaving Clem and Aj in the least messy way possible, if she just left she would die a horrible slow death in the wild and Clem would be left wondering why she was left behind, it doesn’t take a genius to understand how abandoning a kid you’ve been raising for almost a year would fuck with them, if she stayed and kept the baby her and the baby would die, the order doesn’t matter what matters is that everyone would’ve suffered 9 long months because of it, if she tried to terminate the pregnancy she would also die a horribly slow and incredibly painful (and disgusting) death,
If Jane is pregnant, Clem has to be the main provider and support system for the entire group, and she couldn’t do that, she was a kid, I think Jane was struggling already mentally due to her immense trauma and now faced with pregnancy she knew that her days were numbered and her chances of survival, her suicide was the only way she could leave Aj and Clem fast and easy, like ripping a bandaid off
Jane clearly expressed and showed how much she believed in not dragging others down or letting others drag you down, and she knew clementine was too empathetic, too compassionate, clementine couldn’t leave a pregnant woman, a FRIEND behind if they were running from a herd, she knew no matter what she was going to drag clementine down and potentially cause Clem and/or Aj to be killed and she knew she couldn’t just run away from them like she did with previous groups
So she offed herself
It was the easiest way to spare them the suffering
In a way her ending is Tragic yet Poetic when you think about it, and not selfish
I’m so tired of hearing people call her suicide selfish
Suicide is never selfish
She did it, again, because Aj and Clem could not survive with her any longer
the brainstorm i was looking for, i agree with everything stated. well done👌
An amazing ploy of trolling for her to just off herself without warning nor thinking about what Clem would feel about her making that call.
Funniest moment in the series.
Thank you for this take. I actually like Jane and I didn’t understand why ppl disliked her so much.
I never saw it like that. :0
Nice Breakdown And Explanation But TL;DR She's A HORRIBLE Babysitter
THANK YOU! i really enjoy janes character and your video sums up my exact thoughts
Tbh I think ppl would actually like Jane if she had her own story and wasn't (narratively) tied to the group. I think ppl would better like her and understand her if they got to see her being alone and completely true to herself
Like a side story where you play as her that eventually or occasionally ties into Clem's story. I'm not saying they should have done this, just that she probably wouldn't be as hated
Also, I do think she offed herself to not be a liability and leave Clem with two babies. Jane was selfish, but at the end of the day, she did care about Clem and saw that Clem had the capability to survive. I also think it was her knowing what happened to Rebecca as well, suspecting that she was going to die regardless and wanting to go out on her own terms
I don't particularly like Jane myself, but I think assuming the worst of her decision is a very bad faith reading of her character imo
My only issue with what she did is that she didn't try to at least stick around a bit longer to find a safe place for Clem and AJ or leave a note apologizing for leaving them alone the way she did
@@user-ye6fp7kl1o She offed herself because her living philosohy sucks. She could find a group to rely on but nooooooo she wants to be a lone wolf and guess what? You will die when your pregnant or sick or heavily injured and have no one to take care of you
Imagine if she was the protagonist of the Michonne spinoff instead of well... Michinne. She honestly woulda fit the role well.
I have always been passionate about the writers getting the characters endings for season 2 wrong. I always felt the right “ending” for Jane was her to be the leader of the betrayal after the frozen lake incident and not Bonnie. It’s very much in her character despite her coming back.
I also thought Luke should have never died at the lake but instead been the one to fight Kenny at the end. He was the only character the player would have thought about choosing over Kenny. They had set it up all season and then killed him right before the climax they gave us.
I loved Jane but the truth is , she was better alone, staying alone would’ve prob saved her life , and alone was when she felt good , you know she’s not the type of person who felt good with groups , I think keeping her around before the end was wrong but I love the fact that she gave advices to Clem on how to be a baddass even tho Clem already was.
Jane makes 0 sense for most of her interactions, she tells you the plan to steal the medicine but doesn't like it when you do steal it, helps you at the beginning but sabotages you at the end for no reason at all besides the devs wanting to create drama 💀
Jane took an already unstable person whose entire purpose was caring for that infant, directly disregarded the reality of needing fuel, directly endangered the infant by placing it in an unknown location, then antagonized the guy when he's very extremely understandably upset that the infant is presumed dead and it to be all her fault. She constantly gassed on about how weak people drag the group down etc. and expects that people WOULDN"T think she killed the baby on purpose?!?!?!?!!? Sorry but there is NO UNIVERSE in which Jane ever comes out looking reasonable at all. I will always hate Jane, and she will always be a bad character. Als yes, she absolutely took the easy way out. all that survival of the fittest garbage, she didn't want to face the reality of actually caring about anything that couldn't help itself.
what a sincere and great analysis, I see the character that way too, like... a lot of people want to accuse some pure evil in Jane and Kenny and assume that it haves a correct side when in fact they both have their mistakes and neither of them is completely right , it's so sad that things ended that way in the snow, but Kenny and Jane are complete opposites and would never understand each other, for me in that final choice both options are valid, and I get a little hope when I remember that both Kenny or Jane could be alive out there depending on the choices, I hope Telltale works with this one day if they makes a next game
Jane values her independence more than anything. Even when she allows herself to become attached to Clem and adopts her as her sister she never fully relies on her. This is why she manipulates Clementine and forces the inevitable conflict with Kenny to a head on her own terms. She knows it is impossible to go through childbirth on her own and she's unlikely to be able to terminate the pregnancy without injuring herself, so she commits suicide. Relying on others to get her through it and help her take care of a baby was never something she could do. She's really a fascinating character.
Keep the videos coming man! 🔥
Should do a Bonnie one considering how full of it she is
Tbh i don't know why anyone trusts jane. Kenny had every reason to be distrusting of her since she'd leave and then come back just like ben did in season 1 when he giving stuff to bandits which indirectly got kenny's family killed. Kenny has already had experience with someone who's done that before so i don't blame him one bit.
Then jane starts purposely provoking kenny, and that's where her character is at its worst. Doing that on purpose is just wrong. If she would've just convinced clem to leave kenny behind and take AJ with them, that would've 100% okay cause yes kenny has a lot problems (some of it gets made out to be worse than it actually is but he definitely has an emotional problem). Instead, she set up a situation where kenny thinks AJ is dead to fight kenny to the death. She couldn't even win on her own. I honestly don't think clementine should even be obligated to help jane. She made a bad and immature decision and imo i think its best to let kenny kill her. Cause remember in the wellington, he cares more about clem and AJ more than jane does and is fine with not being in wellington with clem and AJ. Need i mention what jane does in season 3? Yeah......i don't think she was thinking about clem and AJ at that time. It came off as kinda selfish in a way. In a way i kinda get it but kinda not cause she just ends up dead right then and there and basically leaves clem and AJ on their own. Kenny doesn't do that purpose at all after the fight with jane. He either dies to walkers in season 3 or disappears after the wellington ending in season 2.
Tbh jane was a byproduct of the bad and terrible writing of season 2. There's been multiple different story drafts and the one we got was very mid. The story originally was supposed to involve the 400 days characters instead of having arvo in episodes 4 and 5. Arvo was also a byproduct of that as well. I think one of the drafts involved kenny vs luke which got scrapped to kill luke off for no good reason and instead had kenny vs jane which is exactly why jane's character falls off hard after clem wakes up after getting shot by arvo. She was only there to substitute for luke and i guess the situation was supposed to play out differently but that changed cause luke died.
Ben and Jane have little to no correlation, their situations are completely different. Ben never left and came back lol
@onlycows726 He'd run off and give supplies to bandits. Jane could've done the exact same thing for potentially dangerous bandits. If it happened once, it could happen again. Ik jane and ben don't have much corelation, but they share a slight correlation if you make an assumption cause kenny doesn't know much about jane, nor does he think she's trustworthy. Kenny only really trusts people he shares a bond with (which knowing how things were in season 1, its understandable). This is why he's such a flawed character.
she had potential fr
The Megumi of TWD
I remember in my first playthrou, I shot Kenny to save Jane, but left alone with AJ after I found out that I was manipulated to kill Kenny.
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i think jane is a very interesting character. like you said her sisters death heavily affected her, i perceive it as the fact that jane shut herself off from others so that she wouldnt feel the pain. she traded her morality for will to survive and shes an example of a character with absolutely no moral compass. she shut herself off to never have to lose anyone like that again and considered people liabilities so that losing them wouldnt hurt her
i feel like a big part of her character is not critically thinking things through (she comments how she didnt know kenny would 'react like that' trying to kill her, doing something horrible and being surprised it provoked him. doing what she did with luke and then not processing it could get her pregnant.) she doesnt think things through and most of the time someone has to suffer for it (clem has to take care of aj alone after jane puts herself down, clem has to either kill kenny or let jane die) and it feels like shes not only reckless but also careless for the safety of people around her
i think her death was a mix of not wanting to burden clem and not wanting to be a liability either but she did it in such an irresponsible way that would traumatise clem regardless. she didnt even let clem say goodbye, she left her corpse for clem to find (imagine what this would do to a teenager whos lost everyone except jane) instead of going somewhere else to do it, she left clem to take care of herself and aj alone. she didnt try to find anyone that could care for clem even, and it seemed she thought clem could take care of herself alone (which she could) but leaving a teenager and a baby alone is horrible and reckless behavior. she promised to never abandon clem again and broke it in the most hurtful way imaginable
I like Jane, I've always liked her. Yes she goes too far at the end of S2 but Kenny has moments of going too far in both s1 and s2 that many fans forgive him for, I don't understand why Jane wasn't looked at in a similar light.
I think what makes Jane interesting is how her view of other people as liabilities can be correct.... in the short term.
People go through trial in their lives where living not only is not their priority but even desirable, and almost all who make it through can gain newfound perspective and appreciation of it.
Jane however thinks that she failed her sister in getting her through, so as a coping mechanism has removed such possibilities from her mind, that only the strong live as a way to lessen the impact of loss she feels.
I liked Jane until she tried to brainwash me against my Boat God. She failed because Kenny is love and Kenny is life
then it became idolatry
Oh God
ew now this is a whole obsession, hate when people obsess so much over character that they see them as their literal God.
@@stucked_up-gregThis is clearly a joke. An old one at that, shrek is love shrek is life? You’re old enough to know TWD, this was only a few years prior.
Kenny is love kenny is LIFE
I think Jane should've been in Season one as a survivor from Crawford because her ideals matches with Crawford's
Not really as she is willing to be close to people that Crawford view as liabilities what is more telling is that she can choose to save Sarah without Clementine's intervention when the balcony dropped. Jane even let in the family at Howe's without Clementine intervening. Not only that she dragged Jaime through some states to keep her alive despite Jaime not being ready for apocalypse like Sarah. Jane even came back for Clementine, despite screwing up at the end. Crawford would not allow her to make those choices if she was part of that group.
Nah. Crawford was wayyyy worse than Jane. The leader was basically The Walking Dead’s Hitler before he died (at least the stuff we heard about him)
I thought Jane WAS the girl from Crawford with the claw blade thing
@@Ticklemehooha Nope, that was Molly, who was a completely different character
even if i am not a fan of jane i genuinely wish they handled jane a little better at the end because she was a great antagonist honestly
i could neve have empathty for jane she left AJ in danger which made kenny go crazy. any parent would react the same way. even if you go with her in the end of season 2, she kills herself in season 3 cause she was pregnant leaving clem and AJ alone to fend for themselves. she took a coward way out because she is a coward. kenny was always the right person to go with.
To prove how unstable Kenny was she became unstable, hell if she didnt choose to delete herself how meny groups has she done this to with clem?
Like I totally get why we get Hermit Clem later on just cuz of Jane's actions
I'll have to go with "theory" 2 (16:18) since she could have killed AJ since then. Also as the second theory was immediately the one I have thought of when she did it, they were in snow, running out of supplies and there are only three of them and one of them is a huge liability. She couldn't bring the child into the world even if she wanted to, not because she might die, but both of them are another mouths to feed since she needs to nurse it and all. Also, as seen in their situation it looks like they couldn't get to another location due to her situation. TLDR she knew she was holding Clementine back , she didn't want for Clementine to choose like what she did to her sister that's why she didn't let her know, she's a character who treated Clementine like a sister and Jane is someone with strong convictions so she did what she did.
my mommy issues won and i chose her lmao
yo i saw ur lis edit in my recommended like 6 months ago that’s crazy
Jane was a character you could really resonate with, especially in episode 4. The time they devoted to her in episode 4 was very good at developing her character and making her sympathetic. I think she would've gone down as one of my favorite characters if she wasn't completely and totally derailed by her sick, twisted plan to oust Kenny. Could've been a good character, her legacy was ruined. She had a lot of promise. It's clear they pulled this out of her ass, too. Kenny's endings are fully fleshed out, and Jane's endings feel very rushed.
Jane's legacy is further tarnished by her god awful fate in season 3, if you chose her ending. Kenny spends the next few years (in his ending) protecting/thriving with Clem & Aj, and ends up sacrificing herself. In JANE's ending, they only stay together for a few months and she immediately offs herself after finding out she's pregnant with Luke's baby. Such a shame.
I stood with Jane against Kenny only for her to abandon Clem and the baby because she took herself out. Incredibly selfish character.
Jane is so unlikeable that killing herself only made her MORE hateable lmao
I like Jane, my first playthrough it was an easy choice for me - Kill Kenny. I can tell you from experience, you don't want to have to live with someone like Kenny, someone who's emotionally unstable and can fly into violent fits of rage at any moment. Especially when you're a child half his size. Clementine would learn to constantly walk on eggshells, her nervous system constantly on high alert scanning for signs that the Scary Kenny is about to come out. She'd have to babysit and nurture this grown man's feelings and temper on top of surviving in a zombie apocalypse and raising a newborn baby - when she herself is still a CHILD. Nope, not putting my girl Clem through that.
Ofc I didn't have the hindsight that Jane just goes and offs herself in the end, leaving Clem to raise AJ on her own. If I did, I'd just go with the ending where Kenny leaves Clem and AJ at Wellington, the best ending imo (and one of the saddest scenes in the whole series).
The Best Thing Jane taught Clem was the knee then Knife to the head technique. Jane teaching Clementine different survival skills helped keep her alive. Which she then taught to AJ. Jane was trying to prepare Clem for surviving on her own if necessary as groups eventually fall apart. She's was wrong for hiding AJ and trying to kill Kenny.
I remember playing this for the first time. When I saw what Jane did my mouth actually dropped, as I could not believe anyone would be that petty. And yes, she was petty. She endangered a newborn just to prove a point.
I understand Jane, but Jane fails to realize her thought process is just as dangerous as Kenny’s.
Personally I hated Jane from the moment she talked about her actions. I’m someone who focuses on what’s morally right and while that will probably get em killed in an apocalypse it made me hate Jane. When I saved Sarah in my playthrough, Jane actively said that I made a stupid decision and should have let her die. Then when she died later in the episode I told Jane to help her and she didn’t even try. In my experience, the two endings of the Kenny/Jane conflict can be summarized by the thing Clem tells Luke in episode 2. He asks Clem what the most important thing is with the answers being Safety, Food, and Family. Kenny represents Family, he is the shining example of doing what you can to save who you care about. Jane represents Food, she believes in An Everyman for himself belief and survival. Anyway those are just my thoughts.
Morality can often be void when a life threatening situation like the apocalypse occurs where you may have to drop those morals in order to survive
Not that i disagree with anything you said but if i remember right you can actually get Jane to help Sarah when Clem asks her too, Sarah still dies however because a piece of wood hits Jane stunning her for enough time allowing the walkers to get Sarah but its still kinda neat detail even if it doesn't end up mattering
Now i dont know how you get Jane to try and help Sarah but its still kinda a neat detail
@@setech4441 still, when watching it it looks like Jane is purposely downplaying her strength. Then again you could be right.
@@Jay-mx6bg and what's the point of surviving if you're dead inside?
@@deiovSo that one day there will be those who live and won‘t be.
I’ve always wanted Kenny and Jane to be best friends :(
Idk the last of the part story was very dumb and made her look very dumb unfortunately. She’s still one of the best character of the group.
I don't mind Jane's personality especially when she's in a good group but once the group became smaller and weaker she became more self-serving and manipulative. It is the moral duty of good people to pick up and fix broken people, not leave them behind or goad them into a blind rage like she did to Kenny and on top of that destroying Luke's unborn child when it's the only piece of him left is wrong.
Jane story about eating the glass honestly traumatized me as a kid. I still think of that sometimes. Extremely wild.
For me, i chose jane she was a big sister to clem teaching defence, resilience, and self presentation, as well as knowing when to give up.
The things that made me side with her was
1. She new how to walk with the dead
2. She a like a big sister
3. Taught clem the kick and stab technique of killing walkers
4. She kept her hair short
5. She kept her head down
6. Saving sarah only ended with her death
7. She saved clem from the ice
8. She seemed way more stable than kenny
And kenny well he was dangerous trying to control clem who was half the time treated as an adult. He beet the Russian kid and made the remaining group split. i also accidently killed his girlfriend so he was mad at clem.
However the best choice is kenny as we see in s3 flash backs
Her statement about Kenny being a liability in his current state is an interesting statement to me considering anyone who lost their family would be in a very similar state. I mean look at Rick after the death of Lori and Carl. He did a lot of irrational things that could have and in some cases made it very difficult on the whole group. Eventually he came back around and was the leader they needed him be. He just had to grieve and come back to himself. I’m not trying to hate on Jane or anything it’s just an interesting thing I noticed.
Loving the content so far big dog. You gotta invest in an outro though, I be listening to these at work and they just end. Great videos though man can’t wait for more❤
I will never like Jane, what she did to AJ and Kenny is unforgivable, Kenny had problems sure but he needed support, he wasnt evil devil like she wanted to potray him, she provoked him and gave him very undertable reason to attack her.
Jane was not completely wrong. Kenny was tired of losing his loved ones and becomes more easily agitated more violent. But her idea of going solo just sucks while Kenny's idea of finding a community was better.
i personally think that theres to much bias when it comes to kennys charchter esspecially after you factor in that jane was right about kenny and thats before knowing about season 1 kenny.
which is something i think alot of people forget about when talking about jane and kennys final moments. exp in season 1 kenny was a coward and hypocrite who made terrible rash decisions who was also more two faced than a peny and after his son and wife died it got worse. while jane said she was selfish there were times were kenny was genially selfish and it costed lees life WHICH PEOPLE ALSO FAIL TO MENTION(basically if you dont suck up to kenny the whole game he dosent help lee find clem even if you do a pacifist like run)
in terms of not only selfishness and manipulative KENNY IS A 100% worse than jane its not even close.
and fyi killing someone over an assumption (that she is selfish enough to leave aj even thou she made sure he was perfectly safe) isnt a valid reason to end someone and justifying that because of kennys past isnt even a morally right thing to do.
Jane's living phylosophy sucks. oh look at me im competent than others i need no one until well you are pregnant and have to rely on others. i have to off myself now so that i wont become a liability to Clem.
Being in a group or a community are always better than just being a lone wolf.
you’re the only thing i’ve been watching lately lols
I understand Jane with a passion and I think I know why but I’m keeping it to myself.
At the beginning I thought she was a cool character but later on she actually shows who she really is.
I think the main problem with jane was the writers lol
I see Jane as basically a human version of Crawford,as you and many others pointed out,not only was what she did in episode 5 manipulative,but also out of character,Jane wasn’t the type to instigate situations,she was the type to leave situations if she feels uncomfortable,and considering how she acted throughout the game,it doesn’t feel unrealistic that she’d leave Aj behind to die to save her own life
As someone who got a crappy version of Kenny (because apparently not siding with him when killing Lily's dad taints a lot of interactions with Kenny from then on), I never understood why everyone loved him. Also I didn't like the idea of going north to the bitter cold where hunger and the elements would be just as if not more likely to kill you than the zombies. So between the two, I preferred Jane, especially when Kenny only ever criticized everyone unless they just went along with whatever plan he had in mind. But I really did not like what Jane did just to prove a point... Then she ends her own life anyway which left an awful taste in my mouth...
Thats what you get for choosing a lone wolf over a family man.
@@vinhbao9738 The same family man who nearly let Lee get killed multiple times just because of the meat locker incident
@@onlycows726 Kenny made the right call mind you. Larry was not gonna leave that meatlocker and you have to do CPR on him to keep his blood flowing until you have a eletrical device that deliever shocks to his heart or meds that can be injected into his veins. Kenny views you as not backing up his hard decision and almost foolishly getting everyone in meatlocker including Kenny killed. Even in season 2 when Kenny becomes tired of losing his loved ones and becomes more easily agitated more violent, his idea of finding a community is still better than Jane's idea of going solo.
I hate Jane. My reasoning is that when I first played through, I saved her from Kenny and when she revealed that it was all a rouse, I was furious with her so I left her. She’s an interesting character but the fact that she’d go that far is just ridiculous. Yes, Kenny was dangerous but too far gone to be redeemed? No. And to deliberately traumatise the man and break him just to prove a point is evil. If I play through all the TWD games again, I’d let Kenny kill her knowing what I know now.
Jane doing what she did always made no sense to me. I feel like that wasn’t supposed to happen.
Luke suppose survive, but devs get scary becasue of some fan or fans and rip him.
there's no way to understand or explain jane
she witnessed entire group die and fall apart
and she has set her sights on kenny for some reason
and she decides TO HIDE THE BABY and pretend that she left the baby to die
anyone would murder jane in this situation
and kenny's 100% normal reaction to those events is supposed to prove that he's insane
and what does she do when you kill kenny and stay with her?
she kills herself after she finds out she's pregnant with luke's child
Jane they can never make me like you
The thing people have to understand about Jane, is that, despite her compentence, Jane is actually a very broken person. She's basically given up on life. She's surviving, yes, but, she's given up on actually living. She starts actually caring about Clementine, but, Clem's got somebody she already cares about, Kenny. Jane pushes Kenny to create a rift between Kenny and Clem. Not for Clementine's benefit, but, for her own.
i absolutely agree with this and that's why when people say that what jane did was out of character makes no sense because while i hated it all it was completely in line with how much of shattered person jane is. she's willing to risk and suggest abandoning a literal new born child because she has no life inside her left. i have mixed feelings about kenny, but jane saw anything that clem cared for as an interference
Jane had potential since she taught Clem to fight
more easily a walker without struggling like she did before.
She was more focused to antagonizing Kenny, even if she had a point, she didn’t tried to appease the situation, she made it worse, even by hiding AJ in a car and not telling them where he was.
I hate to say it but i feel they just made jane do that so we could have a final choice but the whole jane kenny thing just feels fabricated from nothing
A lot of things people really misunderstand about Jane.
1 she is not an evil character.
It’s easy to just call Jane the villain and call it a day but the case isn’t as simple as that because all of her actions toward clementine come from good intentions.
She heard the fighting between your group and the Russians and came back and even saved Kenny’s life when Vitali almost had him. She could’ve just let him do the work for her then take him down.
Hiding the baby while it was wrong to deliberately set Kenny off also came from good intentions because Jane believed Kenny was dangerous which her point is quickly proven.
2 her death in season 3 is not as selfish as people say it is.
There are many factors people don’t include that in accordance with her death.
The first being that Rebecca died giving birth to Aj. If the same thing happens again clementine is left alone caring for two baby’s which we all saw she just struggled taking care of 1. She never would’ve managed 2 at her age.
And second abortion would not be an option because killing it would just make it a walker and Jane would die anyway but much more slowly.
The last major reason people keep siding with Kenny is out of personal bias.
We’ve only known Jane for three episodes and we’ve known Kenny for two entire seasons.
You got to witness Kenny’s story, got to know his family but you are only told Janes story you didn’t get to see it unfold.
I promise reverse Jane and Kenny’s places in the timeline you’d just as easily be siding with Jane as you are Kenny.
She isn’t evil true, but selfish. She left 2 children to fend for themselves, when she could’ve lived, maybe they would’ve found a settlement to help her with the pregnancy
@@dannyhernandez265 she couldn’t have lived.
She would have either died like Rebecca or tried to abort it turning the baby into a walker resulting in her dying anyway.
jane kinda is evil lol
@@spencerbowden2979 she could lol
@@DeadX2 I just explained she would die no matter what she did.
Giving birth to it would kill her
Aborting it would kill her.
Unaliving at least doesn’t burden Clem with another baby
Jane is just the Virgin version of the Chad Molly.
I really like Molly but let's be real she was a mary sue, I mean unless she took parkour and karate classes pre-outbreak
@@onlycows726 I think Jane is supposed to be the Molly of Season 2, but Molly is a good character.
Honestly I thought this is the writers bad writting, by the end you can tell they needed all the characthers off for the final fight (k1lling a bunch of characters near the end) and they likely planned the final fight to be between Luke and Kenny, but Luke would have never, so they had to changue it to Jane because it seemed more fitting lol
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The devs thought the majority would pick Jane, which shows frankly how out of touch with reality they are. You take a good family man that has lost 2 wives in tragic circumstances, that has done everything to protect a little girl in an apocalypse that he has no blood relation to, put him through all the events of S1 and S2 and he gets them a working car, just for Jane to intentionally prod him about his family taking advantage of his anger issues (which frankly are useful in an apocalypse lets be frank, killing Carver and bandits is an objectively good thing) and then implying she's let a baby die? Of course Kenny is justified in killing Jane, she deserved to be eaten by walkers like her sister.
I mean when the game first came out, a lot of people sided with Jane. Almost all of the big TH-cam channels that did playthroughs chose Jane. Only one big channel sided with Kenny.
Jane is interesting, and one of the better Walking Dead VILLAINS. Selfish and driven to make self centered decisions that divide the group and get people killed multiple times. Then actively picking the fight with Kenny, pre-meditated, in hopes to kill him.
Kenny is unhinged and needs some therapy but he was there for the crew and Clem. #teamKenny
I chose Jane because I couldnt stand Kenny any more😂
I think jane was well written but i would never stick with her, in the end she risked an infants life to provoke a fight to prove a point to clementine, then if we chose to go on with her she ends up c0mmiting when shit hits the fan, unlike kenny (who is also extremely flawed) goes to the end of his road (either to wellington or at the carcrash) to ensure clementines & AJs survival. Well written, but i think shes a shit person, she has her points but she’s selfish, and thats her downfall.
I like and understand Jane, but when she does the whole stunt with AJ is where I just lose all respect.
As someone els said Luke was supposed to be in Jane’s place and since they had Jane instead they didn’t really have a solid reason to have her fight Kenny so they kinda rushed together this “Jane tryna probe Kenny is crazy” stuff.
I honestly think Jane and Clem could have been a awesome duo if AJ, Kenny and Jane’s pregnancy wasn’t in the picture.
The ending Iv always gone with is to leave Jane when she does the stunt with AJ, I like her character but all that was crossing a line.
big emphasis on TRYING
I dont hate jane as much as other people. Although she is definaitly not in my top 5.
Kenny and jane are more similar then they realize. Both of them are troubled by truama and they feel like they need to correct it through clementine.
Their truama reveals flaws to the people around them.
For kenny its his stoborn anger issues for jane its through distancing herself and looking down on others and viewing liabilities over anything.
One problem Truama cuases is it makes people to have trouble authoring new memories because they are reliving the pain of the reminder of old
The point jane beleived is that if kenny can be pushed over the edge than he would be a danger to clementine, but the thing that would push him over the edge is if he lost clementine or AJ.
in season 3 if you go with kenny clementine doesnt seem afraid of kenny in any sort of way kenny is trying to correct hie failure to save duck. Clementines reintroduction to his life brings a fear he cant save duck again. And his story always ends in season 3 with him comming to terms with it by letting her go or being able to be a family again.
For jane clementine is what jamie couodnt be a survivor and its guilt that drives her back.
Guilt: is a mentality that I did bad
Shame: is the mentality i am bad (often its a social emotion)
Shame is often a more self destructive emotion but, jane in a way kind of is an example of a person who's lack of shame leaves her unable to see anybody weak as worth saving and when she is questioned by the group she still lacks any shame for her actions. However, her sense of shame does exist and the reason she chooses to save clementine is the sliver of shame she has for not saving jamie.
But, the way i think of jane is she is molly if she stayed in crawford.
Both molly and jane have a fear of attatchment but, Jane adopted the mentality of crawdord. Molly's truama left her unable to stand people who only care for themselves. Molly while she never stayed with lee she is able to not totally cut off her ability to form new relationships. Jane is so afraid of attachment the only new cinnections she makes are based on old ones. She does try to rectify this but, in the end she beleives people eventually fall victim to themselves.
She proved that herself.
Anywaysvthat was a deap dive into a charater i dont even put in ky top 5
Never liked Jane personally i always thought she was selfish and never truly cared for Clem, near the end of S2 simply putting AJ's life in danger to prove a point that clem already knew wasn't practically at all, her actions showed she'll put herself first no matter who's at risk.. Kenny was always loyal and caring hes a troubled character who lost everything twice.. in the end he did the most unselfish thing by asking clem to stay at wellington and he can leave, providing where his mortals are at
There’s no way people actually think Jane is a better option than Kenny 🤦 mother of god
I still think shooting Kenny is a better end for him rather than him flying out of a windshield and getting eaten by walkers, Clementine gives him closure before he dies and he goes out less painfully
@@onlycows726 yeah I do agree with that, cause when he dies like that Clementine can say he’ll see Katja and Duck again. Going with Jane is a no-go however
Shoot Kenny - Abandon Jane is the best ending for all 3 characters imo
@@SalBadman Nah. Let Kenny kill Jane, go to wellington and leave Kenny as he wants you to stay. Kenny being alive or dead stays unknown
@@JoshR842 him dying peacefully is way more satisfying than him just vanishing imo
Jane only cared about replacing her Sister Clementine was the perfect target.
Kenny was just trying to do what’s best for the group even though Wellington was a bad choice he was willing to give up AJ and Clementine for them to have a better life.
You say that like Kenny wasn't tryna replace Duck. He literally calls Clem Duck by accident in episode 2
@@SalBadman
Yes Kenny was still grieving his loss but he still left Clem and AJ if you don’t argue about staying at Wellington.
She’s still my favorite character in the entire franchise, to this day.
Jane deserved better.
No she did not.
She has too many issues and is not reliable, not someone a little girl should be with. She in the end leaves clem alone
I like Jane minus the ending. Like she gets Kenny murked and then commits suicide, leaving Clem with a baby alone
Stop showing me Luke man I am still mad over that
#KennyAllTheWay
Many people defend Jane, and others wonder why there’s so much hate for her. A large part of it stems from the ending of Season 2. She manipulates both Kenny and Clementine, triggers a fight with Kenny thinking she’ll win, but when he gains the upper hand, she drags Clementine into it, forcing her to shoot someone she cares about to save Jane. Then it turns out AJ is alive, and Kenny died for absolutely nothing because Jane was so convinced she would take better care of Clementine than Kenny would.
Then, just a few months later, she dies the way she does, leaving Clementine, who’s maybe 12 years old, completely alone with AJ in the world, trying to survive. She could have had someone like Kenny there to help her. Sure, Kenny has his dark sides, but as we see in the version where you choose to stay with him, he does everything in his power to take care of both AJ and Clementine until the car accident. The tragedy lies in traumatizing a little girl into killing a father figure, only to abandon her not long after.
Only thing i hate about Season 2 is the final choice.. i dont want Kenny dead, but Jane still doesnt really deserve to die over what she did
Lmao the Jane hate is crazy. An individualistic survivor, KENNY represents family and loyalty.
Lee represented something more. Yes he loved Clem like a father just like Kenny but Lee was also a fantastic leader people gravitated around.
Jane - individualist
Kenny - US v them familial loyalty
Lee - a community leader who will fight tooth and nail to get the best out of everyone.
It would have been interesting to see Lee found or takeover a settlement. Sometimes the cards just don't fall right.
ok i see people justifying her decision to take herself out and honestly the arguments ive seen i can kinda agree with them honestly... i mean she would either die from child birth, or die trying to abort it, and would leave clem in a bad situation if she had the kid and died. but it doesnt change the fact that she started shit with kenny knowing full well he would try to kill her for what she did knowing she would like have to try and kill him or clem would have to step in, THAT was selfish of her as kenny had the best interest of the kids in mind, and as you see he either agrees with you killing him, agrees that you should get away from him, or agrees you should stay in welington, and if you stay with him he sacrifices himself to save clem and aj. so yeah understandable why she did what she did in season three, still complete bullshit way to end season 2. honestly alot of shit with season two annoys me simply because so many people seem to lack common sense and a basic understanding of people. yeah kennys kinda loseing it, man lost 2 friends and a lover and an eye in the span of like 5 days. hell not to mention all of that can kinda be blamed on the group hes now traveling with. the fact everyone trusted arvo was completely stupid as he literally helped try to rob you. not to mention when he ran across the lake everyone was more concerned kenny would hurt him then what might be in the fucking house, seriously that fucking rifle arvo had wasnt something anyone in the group had last i checked so that means it was in the house which he likely knew about since it was his groups stash house so yeah if kenny didnt chase him down and he got to the house he could have killed any of them, so yeah lukes death was absolutely arvos fault and kenny was completely justified in giving arvo that beat down. and then mike and bonnie fucking run off with arvo after everything ready to leave clem and aj behind with someone they think is deranged and planned on stealing all the food at the same time, and they still run off with him even after he shoots clem? yeah no should have had them show up in one of the later season to be put down for that shit. i wont say kenny was perfect but he at least was makeing the most sense out of everyone in the group in my opinion, not all his choices were right but he knew what was most important and did what he thought would ensure the survival of the group. will say now though i do think they should have gone back to howes to see if they cant get a bunch of supplys and a truck to make getting to wellington easier, probably could have saved rebecca if they cleared it out and rested for a few days, odds are arvos group wouldnt have found them, and with a truck and all those supplies wellington would have had no reason to turn them all away
Ive always seen Kenny as more of a tragic figure than an abuser, similar to Guts from Berserk. He tries to do what's best for who he loves but always ends up hurting them by mistake. Jane on the other hand is a snake
Things Jane did was fucked for sure, however the fact she had to keep dragging her sister and refusing to listen making Jane deciding to leave her sister to die I understand especially now as getting older I've realised no matter how much you try to help someone who don't help themselves will just end up dragging you down.
who the fuck shoots kenny
Anyone who chose to side with Jane instead of Kenny is truly a maniac.
That’s 51% of people
@@JackAttackW Ik! Either simps, or people who arent taking the playthrough seriously lol
She's just a little messed up, but I'd imagine most people in her situation to be. She's certainly not out there with the purpose of doing evil shit