it's like when you switch to the drums on a MIDI keyboard and just go from the bottom to the top, but stopping before the weird stuff like birds chirping and telephones ringing and stuff
Caught red-handed, The Joker begged for mercy. "I'll send the Circus Thugs away for good this time, I swear!" he exclaimed, plaintively. But Batman was not fooled. Replying in an ancient mystical tongue bequeathed him by the master mountain monks, he solemnly declared in his gravelly voice: "I find you hard to believe, after allegedly trying to go back to repeatedly inspiring fear using ragtag groups of suspicious looking clowns, despite resistance."
@@dizzydaisy909 actually no one speaks Ithkuil (not talking about fluent or even native level). No one can even remember this overcomplcated grammar. This language is proof of concept. Meanwhile it can still be useful as universal translation language, since it's hard to lose information with so many tools to pack it.
back in mid high school I joked with a friend that if beatboxers learned the IPA system of consonants they could quickly and efficiently transcribe their beatboxing. having seen Ithkuil's entire consonant system I can now unironically say that it would make for a beatboxing transcription system so thorough it borders on overkill
Actually, the weirdest thing about Ithkuil, is that someone managed to write songs in it. And you need at least two conlangers - Quijada himself and our dude John Petersen of GoT's fame - to make it work. And of course it's prog rock : )
@@unexpected2475 I know it _doesn't_, I'm saying it _should have_. ǃXóõ has about eighty distinct clicks, plus ejectives and nasal vowels. With that kind of inventory, you could really shorten your message.
the idea that the tone applies to the entire word seems a bit silly when the words can be upwards of 7 syllables and tones could quite easily have been replaced with another syllable
In the original 2011 version of Ithkuil, tone begins with the stressed syllable and continues to the end of the word. Words have penultimate stress by default but ultimate stress is common, antepenultimate and preantepenultimate are less common but also exist. "Each word carries one functionally significant tone, pronounced beginning with the stressed syllable and continuously carried through any following syllables until the end of the word. Unstressed syllables prior to the stressed syllable have neutral mid tone." ithkuil.net/01_phonology.html#Sec1o3o2 Now tone will be used for the morphological category of Register but I think it still starts on the stressed syllable (he doesn't contradict this in the update). "Register will be indicated phonologically by tone distinctions. The first word of a phrase carrying a specific register will have one of five tones, and the last word of the phrase carrying that register will have rising tone to indicate termination of the register." ithkuil.net/updates.htm
Blackfoot is another polysynthetic language where tone applies across a whole word. It's actually really important to understanding stress and word boundaries, and this is basically true of Ithkuil as well; it's not just about the semantics but the prosody and how the overall shape of the word fits in your brain.
I love ithkuil. It's not meant to be used for ordinary communication, but it achieves its goal of compacting everything by being extremely synthetic very well. While it's grammar is so complicated, it is all completely logically consistent, and all the inflections are very well chosen in my opinion, and it's possible to see the amount of thought that went into it, unlike with e.g. lojban and vötgil
You made me picture in my head how a book written in Ithkuil would be, and the scenario of a party of adventurers lending it to an expert to figure out what's written in it, transcribing and writing notes in another parchment.
Can we at least appreciate that Ithkuil has a word for “being hard to believe after allegedly trying to repeatedly inspire fear using suspicious-looking clowns despite resistance”? It’s not quite as good as a word for “not wanting to get out of bed”, but it’s still impressive.
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk you would see it, if it was common enough. Like how an English dictionary will have entries for 'can' 'not' 'cannot' and "can't" Or another example, "toxic", "toxin" and "intoxicated" are separate words. Despite the root being the same
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk that's why I said it would have to be common. I.e. just because you add a suffix to a word in English, you've made a "possible word" but that doesn't make it "real" in the sense that it's not in the dictionary. Like "becomingness" is a possible English word, it would mean "the quality of becoming" but in reality it's useless, you'll never see it, hear it, or be taught it, and so it's not in the dictionary. Ithkuil would realistically work the same way, although I know that spoils some of the appeal.
Actually, in new ithkuil (not the one in the video, this one isn't tonal and there is a smaller consonant inventory), there is a word for "not wanting to get out of bed", which I believe is the word "ainkluilwalzi’ö" (i'm not sure if it's correct, but i know nobody is gonna verify it because i had to suffer through the new ithkuil webpage for hours) here's the breakdown: ai- means three things: 1. the verb is processual, means it isn't focused on a final outcome, 2. the main root is the stem 1 meaning, and the third is something we'll get to later. the main root is "nkl" which means 'BED/SOFA BED/CHAISE-LONGUE', whose stem 1 meaning is 'bed'. -ui means it is in the dynamic, basic, functional form. Dynamic means the verb involves change/motion/movement/action. Basic is a specification for the meaning of the root, still meaning 'bed'. Functional means the bed has a purpose in the sentence. (it wouldn't work if i had said something else) -lw means five things: 1. it is in the associative affiliation, meaning there is a purpose, 2. it is in the uniplex configuration, meaning... uh one bed, 3. it is in the delimitive extension, meaning there are clear boundaries of the noun, 4. it is in the the nomic perspective, meaning it is a generic concept (we are referring to a generic concept of bed, not one specific bed), and 5. it has the normal essence, meaning it is actually a real-world event, instead of a representation. -alz is a suffix meaning 'want to'. now let's get back to the third meaning of ai-, which is that it functions as a shortcut for negation. -i’ö marks the ablative case, meaning away from something. So the final meaning of "ainkluilwalzi’ö" is 'to not want to physically move away from bed for some purpose.'
I want some super eccentric person to become so good at ithkuil that they can just rattle stuff off in the language lol John Quijada said that it takes him an hour to write a sentence.
@@mansionbookerstudios9629 I have no idea why you have connected anything I said to Yeonmi Park, but as it happens, I am intimately familiar with her. She’s a grifter. Nothing but a con artist. You shouldn’t believe a word that falls out of her fork-tongued mouth lol
@@serraramayfield9230 she is from North Korea. That’s about where the honesty stops. Everything she says about her experience in North Korea is a lie, calculated to get her money and fame. She changes her story every time she tells it and she often claims things that are so absurd you would never believe them if you did a second’s research. Example: she told Joe Rogan that North Koreans sometimes have to push trains by hand. A single empty train car weighs 30 god damn tons. More than 100 tons with cargo. No North Koreans are pushing entire trains around the mountainous terrain of the DPRK lol
the problem is that the more information you pack in a single syllable, the slower you'll say it Spanish speakers seem to speak really fast but they aren't really saying much the brain has a hard limit on the amount of information it can process
I can't see the subtitles in Ithkuil 👀😂 Do you think that a child could learn this language like any other language only by listening at his parents talk?
Theoretically, if you could somehow surmount the hurdles of teaching the parents (idk, maybe the child is raised by cybernetic humanoid surrogate parents?), it might actually work. Tom Scott mentioned in one of his language videos, about analytic vs. synthetic languages, that some studies seem to indicate that children learn polysynthetic languages the easiest because of their redundancy. To be fair, Ithkuil still makes Ojibwe look like Toki Pona, but it's still fun to think about. EDIT: Here's the Tom Scott video: th-cam.com/video/bxARj07jFp0/w-d-xo.html Also, now that I think about it... if the theory is correct, that polysynthetic languages have that learnability because of redundancy, then Ithkuil might be even more difficult than it seems. Missing any part of that example word substantively changes the meaning, which is great if you want an extremely efficient language with as little redundancy as possible, but probably detrimental for acquisition.
I watched the other videos before this one and, since I'd heard Ithkuil had an insane number of phonemes I thought "I'm sure he'll skip that part where he says every phoneme" but no. Hats off to you, sir, for putting up with that. I look forward to your Esperanto video. I'd request it, but I'm sure it's already been requested and you hinted at it in the previous language video. I'm glad you aren't getting to the gold standard of auxlangs too quickly. Probably best to leave it until later in the series.
I wish it could have been possible to go into a bit more detail re: the writing system. It's one of my favorite parts of the language, and it's a possible answer to the "why digraphs" question: because writing Ithkuil based on how it sounds, using the Latin alphabet, kinda misses the point in the first place. The native characters are designed to reflect as many shades of meaning as possible, rather than just transcribing phonemes. This means that a word like the hard-to-believe-clowns thing only takes a few glyphs to write.
You should seriously deep-dive into the ithkuil writing system, which I'd rate as being almost another language entirely. That would be a heckuva video.
3:13 you CAN write with it if you use a different font. try going to fonstruct, it's possible to create a font where capital letters DON'T shift the register to the side (so you can type multiple in the same space, like accent marks) and where lowercase DO shift to the side. (or the other way around, depending on which would be more common), and since there are so few unique line segments in the upper halves and lower halves independently, it could trivially fit on the latin keyboard. If you really want me to, i can make an example for this language and direct you there, but i already make a couple fonts that use this non-shifting feature (PreCambrian Writing)
I think you're thinking harder about this than I was it's impossible to type with the ithkuil script, not because it structurally can never be possible, but because nobody's bothered to make a system for typing with the ithkuil script (as far as I know!)
Well, then i accept your challenge. if the image showing the alphabet was COMPLETE, then you'll find it on my account PreCambrian Writing on fontstruct in about a day.
This reminds me of something that comes up in Dungeons and Dragons. There is a spell called "sending" that allows the caster to send a message of up to 25 words to a known recipient an arbitrary distance away from you and allows them to respond with a similarly sized message. There are also other spells that have similar word count restrictions. Since a caster in D&D has a maximum number of spells they can cast in a day of each level. Since each casting of sending is one fewer fireball (or similarly potent spell), efficient communication would be very beneficial. I figure that a scholarly mage in such a world would attempt to make a more efficient language for magical communication. Non-linguist players will just drop articles and the like, but I imagine the compound words of German would be a way to cheat the system as well. The laws of magic probably wouldn't allow you to cheat the system by just removing spaces between words and calling each sentence a word in your language, so there might be a syllable, character, or time limit instead of words. There could also be a data limit that happens to roughly equate to 25 English words. Regardless or the system, presumably there would be a way to improve efficiency over English. This would only work if you were communicating with another individual who knows the language, but if you're sending reports to or from an organization, this could be ideal. Intelligence reports from military scouts, researchers collaborating with a university, etc.
ithkuil, the language with a big phonemic inventory now introducing ithipona, the language with 95 phonemes and has no tones, 85 consonants and 10 vowels
Ithkuil was a big inspiration for me when creating my conlang. I really like the logical way of grouping words of similar semantic value under roots (Although, I read up on how the grammar works, and there is NO WAY I would ever go that in depth; I kind of actually want mine to be of some use practically, so...)
In my opinion, he could have bulked out the phonology a bit better by adding some palatal sounds, they’re pretty distinct, and unlike those preaspirated sounds, they’re pretty simple to articulate.
Have you considered doing a review on elvish? If I remember right their are multiple types of it sindarin etc. So it would be nice to hear a review of all of them or at least splitting them up into dialects. I have never seen a decent video on that. Also could you start adding a few small examples of the language in each video? would be lovely to hear a sentence or two of each language.
To be fair, Ithkuil is primarily intended to be spoken. Writing was an afterthought.. I played with a writing system called HIOXIAN (google my blog). While primarily intended for an English/ Chinese interlang, it can be fairly easily expanded to function with Ithkuil. Cheers!
A whole complex sentence with a ton of random detail can be said in 2-3 words. But, to create those words takes like 5 minutes, and to read them probably takes roughly the same, so…
I tuned out a bit during the consonant segment and at one point I thought that you were opening several different sodas, each contained in a different way (glass bottle, twist cap, can, small can, tapping on the top before opening, that kinda stuff)
I imagined it as a sort of upper class elite within normal (albeit more advanced than our own) societies, controlling the world(s) efficiently while laughing at the inefficiencies of the "common" languages.
I imagine that an Ithkuil speaking society, if they were able to speak it perfectly, would have less use for verbal communication and spend far less time speaking. Not only would they be able to convey information faster and more detailed than in a natural language, but they would speak more precisely, logically and unambiguously, therefore spending less time explaining themselves or clearing up misunderstandings. I imagine that disputes, negotiations and legal and political matters would be resolved far quicker and easier. Also if law and legal contracts could be written in Ithkuil, there would be little or no debating their meaning as there would be no ambiguity.
I think even Quijada believes that an Ithkuil-based culture would be extremely unlikely, since convenience is far too important in everyday language to allow for it to work. An Ithkuil-based culture would probably have multiple vulgar dialects, which might eventually diverge into mutual intelligibility. The base language would likely be reserved for extremely formal situations, official documents, or possibly confined to liturgical purposes.
I think people can be trained to speak any language, but we must understand that the Ithkuil guy himself isn't able to "speak" his language. Every single thing one has to say must be carefully preceded by a complex mental process to identify what to say, which words to use, case, syntax, tone, and lots of other aspects. Communication would be almost impossible, unless people had mastered the language to such a level that it came naturally to them. It could well fit a society of geniuses, an idealistic world where everyone had a very high IQ. I don't see how this could happen, since even real geniuses tire of their scientific jargon sometimes, and tend to talk, in everyday situations, like the rest of us.
Oo would like to be in that one , a language that can explain itself completely with "less stuff" . Basically this would be a more scientific type a language giving that society access to a more complete way of communicating and because ithkuil is so complex in its self the way the native ithkuils would have a very different way of thinking much quicker for shure . This is the language that everyone wants to speak but no one can (at least fluently) But just imagine getting raised with ithkuil , cursing the life out of someone in an argument in a single sentence 😂🤣
Imagine being fluent in both Ithkuil and Toki Pona... Anyway, I complained about German and its very long words, but after a passing glance at Ithkuil I just shut up now and try gearing up my memory.
"being hard to believe, after allegedly trying to go back to repeatedly inspiring fear using ragtag groups of suspicious looking clowns, despite resistance" Why would you ever need one word for horribly specific situation.
i wonder if you taught someone this language from birth and talked to them a ton, would they be able to think about stuff super quickly compared to people that learn normal languages?
native chinese speakers speak much slower than native english speakers, who speak much slower than native spanish speakers. it's been theorized that the human brain has a set speed for information processing and the denser your language is, the slower you're capable of speaking it, so i suppose a native ithkuil speaker would max out at a pretty low syllable speed.
speedruns are gonna be insane once we get Ithkuil versions of games
Visual novels would melt minutes like the polar caps
The entire game would have like 10 dialogs
If I ever get fluent enough in reading and translating, I would add this to my games
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My gosh-
When you listed the consonants, it sounded like a collection of sound effects.
Or like the weirdest beat-boxing performance ever.
Extreme hi hats
@@ArturoStojanoff probably a tradition of his
Yeah
it's like when you switch to the drums on a MIDI keyboard and just go from the bottom to the top, but stopping before the weird stuff like birds chirping and telephones ringing and stuff
This looks like a language that would be a hit if we could just download it directly into our minds matrix style.
If that would be possible you how much info i can fit in a sticky note 😂😂
2077 neural link lol
Bet the download is 450 gigabytes
@@Misitan Did you get that storage expansion we talked about?
@@meatybtz Pretty sure the point was it's a small language and that's a good thing.
Caught red-handed, The Joker begged for mercy. "I'll send the Circus Thugs away for good this time, I swear!" he exclaimed, plaintively.
But Batman was not fooled. Replying in an ancient mystical tongue bequeathed him by the master mountain monks, he solemnly declared in his gravelly voice:
"I find you hard to believe, after allegedly trying to go back to repeatedly inspiring fear using ragtag groups of suspicious looking clowns, despite resistance."
I find that hard to believe too. Joker would never beg for mercy.
@@ethanlivemere1162 Joker lives in a world without rules.
Ethan Livemere Unless it’s from the IRS, that is.
@@GRBtutorials He's crazy enough to take on Batman, but the IRS? No *thank you!*
@@GRBtutorials wrong person
*pronouncing consonants*
also known as beat boxing
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Great minds think alike
0:45 when you gotta open cans of soda to speak a language.
best comment lmao hahaha
Minecraft sound files
W O H
*0:47
Those are just ejectives.
Teacher: you can only bring a single page of notes to the test
Me, after having learned ithkuil to a native fluence: 😏
*The note contains two bullet points, each with an ithkuil word*
*The words include all info required for the class final*
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That has to be at least 50 times harder than just studying for the damn test lmao
@@scyfrix maybe not if you learn it ahead of time, especially learning it from childhood
@@dizzydaisy909 actually no one speaks Ithkuil (not talking about fluent or even native level).
No one can even remember this overcomplcated grammar. This language is proof of concept.
Meanwhile it can still be useful as universal translation language, since it's hard to lose information with so many tools to pack it.
back in mid high school I joked with a friend that if beatboxers learned the IPA system of consonants they could quickly and efficiently transcribe their beatboxing. having seen Ithkuil's entire consonant system I can now unironically say that it would make for a beatboxing transcription system so thorough it borders on overkill
Idea for an ASMR channel: someone pronouncing all possible consonants in the IPA.
ipasmr
Would that include phonemes that are technically possible but don't appear in any natural languages?
What about sustained constants? Would we count every constant that can be pronounced for slightly longer as unique?
@@HBMmaster pronouncing this in my head as [ɪˈpæzˌmɹ]
do we include the faciomanual click?????
Actually, the weirdest thing about Ithkuil, is that someone managed to write songs in it. And you need at least two conlangers - Quijada himself and our dude John Petersen of GoT's fame - to make it work. And of course it's prog rock : )
of *course* it's prog lol
Oh, Kaduatán, right?
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@@wyntyrr Yep! th-cam.com/video/uuYmkZ-Aomo/w-d-xo.html
At least its not ǃXóõ where 100 of its consonants are different clicks. And this is a fricken natural language.
Tòochi you mean at birth and being completely surrounded by people who spoke it.
Just Monika.
Man, Ithkuil really should’ve used some clicks...
@@allisond.46 no it doesn't
@@unexpected2475 I know it _doesn't_, I'm saying it _should have_. ǃXóõ has about eighty distinct clicks, plus ejectives and nasal vowels. With that kind of inventory, you could really shorten your message.
No matter how much times I try to understand Ithkuil, I'm still kinda blown away by how complex it is!
that it is
Yeah, it's just a masterpiece of design! This youtuber really sums up the point well: th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
@@aspen_the_great fuck you
@@aspen_the_great 😆😆
@@aspen_the_great Never gonna give up to learn it
the idea that the tone applies to the entire word seems a bit silly when the words can be upwards of 7 syllables and tones could quite easily have been replaced with another syllable
がに And they finally were in the 2015 revision. It's now a consonant that precedes the pattern/stem vowel.
In the original 2011 version of Ithkuil, tone begins with the stressed syllable and continues to the end of the word. Words have penultimate stress by default but ultimate stress is common, antepenultimate and preantepenultimate are less common but also exist.
"Each word carries one functionally significant tone, pronounced beginning with the stressed syllable and continuously carried through any following syllables until the end of the word. Unstressed syllables prior to the stressed syllable have neutral mid tone." ithkuil.net/01_phonology.html#Sec1o3o2
Now tone will be used for the morphological category of Register but I think it still starts on the stressed syllable (he doesn't contradict this in the update).
"Register will be indicated phonologically by tone distinctions. The first word of a phrase carrying a specific register will have one of five tones, and the last word of the phrase carrying that register will have rising tone to indicate termination of the register." ithkuil.net/updates.htm
Isn't adding a syllable or a sound against the idea of stacking more information into smaller length, though?
Mercure250, that may be so, but Quijada has actually had people try to learn this language, so he's made some compromises here and there.
Blackfoot is another polysynthetic language where tone applies across a whole word. It's actually really important to understanding stress and word boundaries, and this is basically true of Ithkuil as well; it's not just about the semantics but the prosody and how the overall shape of the word fits in your brain.
finally finished the subtitles
Conlang Critic lol, thats an easy language
Conlang Critic
If you think it's so good, why don't you try creating Toki Pona captions?
Can you do one in Tapissary?
@@66LordLoss66 I’d bet that if you were to translate them into Topi Pona and back, it would be unrecognizable.
being a toki pona jan this intimidates me
Ithkuil is pretty much the polar opposite of toki pona.
toki ike!! jan ali o tawa!! jan li tawa ala la jan ni li moli!!!!!
mi tawa ala. mi moli ala. mi jan.
*jan pi toki pona
*jan pi toki pona
what the hell
why the hell
how the hell
how much the hell
Whence the hell
Whomst'd've'nt gone't Hell
@@Ida-xe8pg Hell the Hell
@@andrewzhang8512 Whomst'd've'nt known'at y'll'd've'on't the Hell
I love ithkuil. It's not meant to be used for ordinary communication, but it achieves its goal of compacting everything by being extremely synthetic very well. While it's grammar is so complicated, it is all completely logically consistent, and all the inflections are very well chosen in my opinion, and it's possible to see the amount of thought that went into it, unlike with e.g. lojban and vötgil
You made me picture in my head how a book written in Ithkuil would be, and the scenario of a party of adventurers lending it to an expert to figure out what's written in it, transcribing and writing notes in another parchment.
@@Maldito011316 A full length english novel written in ithkuil would be shorter than a novella lmao
@@Maldito011316 "no joke, no cap, they straight up [incomprehensible]" and that's half the novel already
The zip file for books
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Can we at least appreciate that Ithkuil has a word for “being hard to believe after allegedly trying to repeatedly inspire fear using suspicious-looking clowns despite resistance”? It’s not quite as good as a word for “not wanting to get out of bed”, but it’s still impressive.
If there's no word for ephemeral, me disappointed - but I forgive Toki Pona, tho.
@@EnriqueLaberintico there isn’t a word for ephemeral, but there is a suffix ‘-irč’ that means brief, or momentary, or ephemeral
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk you would see it, if it was common enough. Like how an English dictionary will have entries for 'can' 'not' 'cannot' and "can't"
Or another example, "toxic", "toxin" and "intoxicated" are separate words. Despite the root being the same
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk that's why I said it would have to be common.
I.e. just because you add a suffix to a word in English, you've made a "possible word" but that doesn't make it "real" in the sense that it's not in the dictionary.
Like "becomingness" is a possible English word, it would mean "the quality of becoming" but in reality it's useless, you'll never see it, hear it, or be taught it, and so it's not in the dictionary.
Ithkuil would realistically work the same way, although I know that spoils some of the appeal.
Actually, in new ithkuil (not the one in the video, this one isn't tonal and there is a smaller consonant inventory), there is a word for "not wanting to get out of bed", which I believe is the word "ainkluilwalzi’ö" (i'm not sure if it's correct, but i know nobody is gonna verify it because i had to suffer through the new ithkuil webpage for hours)
here's the breakdown:
ai- means three things: 1. the verb is processual, means it isn't focused on a final outcome, 2. the main root is the stem 1 meaning, and the third is something we'll get to later.
the main root is "nkl" which means 'BED/SOFA BED/CHAISE-LONGUE', whose stem 1 meaning is 'bed'.
-ui means it is in the dynamic, basic, functional form. Dynamic means the verb involves change/motion/movement/action. Basic is a specification for the meaning of the root, still meaning 'bed'. Functional means the bed has a purpose in the sentence. (it wouldn't work if i had said something else)
-lw means five things: 1. it is in the associative affiliation, meaning there is a purpose, 2. it is in the uniplex configuration, meaning... uh one bed, 3. it is in the delimitive extension, meaning there are clear boundaries of the noun, 4. it is in the the nomic perspective, meaning it is a generic concept (we are referring to a generic concept of bed, not one specific bed), and 5. it has the normal essence, meaning it is actually a real-world event, instead of a representation.
-alz is a suffix meaning 'want to'.
now let's get back to the third meaning of ai-, which is that it functions as a shortcut for negation.
-i’ö marks the ablative case, meaning away from something.
So the final meaning of "ainkluilwalzi’ö" is 'to not want to physically move away from bed for some purpose.'
love "with ithkuil" being shortened to "withkuil" in the closed captionings at 6:04
total DaThings move right there
@@redpepper74 yes
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You lost me after 'slash'
It's like an escape character. As soon as you see a word beginning with a slash, you shall escape for it is Ithkuil.
I want some super eccentric person to become so good at ithkuil that they can just rattle stuff off in the language lol
John Quijada said that it takes him an hour to write a sentence.
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@@mansionbookerstudios9629 I have no idea why you have connected anything I said to Yeonmi Park, but as it happens, I am intimately familiar with her. She’s a grifter. Nothing but a con artist. You shouldn’t believe a word that falls out of her fork-tongued mouth lol
@@darrishawks6033 What, is she not actually from North Korea?
@@serraramayfield9230 she is from North Korea. That’s about where the honesty stops. Everything she says about her experience in North Korea is a lie, calculated to get her money and fame. She changes her story every time she tells it and she often claims things that are so absurd you would never believe them if you did a second’s research.
Example: she told Joe Rogan that North Koreans sometimes have to push trains by hand. A single empty train car weighs 30 god damn tons. More than 100 tons with cargo. No North Koreans are pushing entire trains around the mountainous terrain of the DPRK lol
the problem is that the more information you pack in a single syllable, the slower you'll say it
Spanish speakers seem to speak really fast but they aren't really saying much
the brain has a hard limit on the amount of information it can process
I can't see the subtitles in Ithkuil 👀😂
Do you think that a child could learn this language like any other language only by listening at his parents talk?
their parents would need to learn ithkuil themselves first, which has proven unhappenable
The child would start by mimicing that the first thing you do before uttering a sentence is to just stand there confused for 15 minutes.
Theoretically, if you could somehow surmount the hurdles of teaching the parents (idk, maybe the child is raised by cybernetic humanoid surrogate parents?), it might actually work. Tom Scott mentioned in one of his language videos, about analytic vs. synthetic languages, that some studies seem to indicate that children learn polysynthetic languages the easiest because of their redundancy. To be fair, Ithkuil still makes Ojibwe look like Toki Pona, but it's still fun to think about.
EDIT: Here's the Tom Scott video: th-cam.com/video/bxARj07jFp0/w-d-xo.html
Also, now that I think about it... if the theory is correct, that polysynthetic languages have that learnability because of redundancy, then Ithkuil might be even more difficult than it seems. Missing any part of that example word substantively changes the meaning, which is great if you want an extremely efficient language with as little redundancy as possible, but probably detrimental for acquisition.
In theory, maybe. But in order to raise a native Ithkuil speaker you'd have to become fluent in it yourself, and that looks really difficult.
@@HBMmaster Proof?
Are you planning on reviewing any of Tolkien's languages? He's fairly important in the history of conlangs (sub-creation).
Or, on the complete opposite side of the spectrum, anything from Far Cry Primal...
@@seand.g423 what? There was any conlanging done for FC Primal??
Ptaku93 Actually no, but a reconstruction of Protoindoeuropean was featured as the language (or one of the languages, Idk) spoken by the characters.
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@@Vealtaz2001ah yes Prometheus movie that used PIE
I watched the other videos before this one and, since I'd heard Ithkuil had an insane number of phonemes I thought "I'm sure he'll skip that part where he says every phoneme" but no. Hats off to you, sir, for putting up with that.
I look forward to your Esperanto video. I'd request it, but I'm sure it's already been requested and you hinted at it in the previous language video. I'm glad you aren't getting to the gold standard of auxlangs too quickly. Probably best to leave it until later in the series.
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I wish it could have been possible to go into a bit more detail re: the writing system. It's one of my favorite parts of the language, and it's a possible answer to the "why digraphs" question:
because writing Ithkuil based on how it sounds, using the Latin alphabet, kinda misses the point in the first place. The native characters are designed to reflect as many shades of meaning as possible, rather than just transcribing phonemes. This means that a word like the hard-to-believe-clowns thing only takes a few glyphs to write.
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@@mansionbookerstudios9629 what does this have to do with anything said, also who are you?
You should seriously deep-dive into the ithkuil writing system, which I'd rate as being almost another language entirely. That would be a heckuva video.
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Who else jumped when they saw the consonants?
Cool!
Weird flex but ok
imagine filling all the slots
@@43615 I imagine that all the time.
I almost fell from my chair
4:23 I'll continue watching this episode, and pretend I understand...
2:45 If this language is meant to condense as many meaning as possible...
By this point it would be more practical to learn how to speak QR Code,
3:13 you CAN write with it if you use a different font. try going to fonstruct, it's possible to create a font where capital letters DON'T shift the register to the side (so you can type multiple in the same space, like accent marks) and where lowercase DO shift to the side. (or the other way around, depending on which would be more common), and since there are so few unique line segments in the upper halves and lower halves independently, it could trivially fit on the latin keyboard. If you really want me to, i can make an example for this language and direct you there, but i already make a couple fonts that use this non-shifting feature (PreCambrian Writing)
"yes, you can type with it, you just need to make your own custom font" doesn't count as being able to type with it
well, doesn't that apply to everything that isn't in the formal HTML font library?
I think you're thinking harder about this than I was
it's impossible to type with the ithkuil script, not because it structurally can never be possible, but because nobody's bothered to make a system for typing with the ithkuil script (as far as I know!)
Well, then i accept your challenge. if the image showing the alphabet was COMPLETE, then you'll find it on my account PreCambrian Writing on fontstruct in about a day.
Named 'Ithkuil', of course. i forgot to mention the one thing i actually wanted to type XD
4:11 Stay tuned for the hit new crime drama from Dick Wolf and John Quijada; Ithkuil: SVU.
This reminds me of something that comes up in Dungeons and Dragons. There is a spell called "sending" that allows the caster to send a message of up to 25 words to a known recipient an arbitrary distance away from you and allows them to respond with a similarly sized message. There are also other spells that have similar word count restrictions. Since a caster in D&D has a maximum number of spells they can cast in a day of each level. Since each casting of sending is one fewer fireball (or similarly potent spell), efficient communication would be very beneficial.
I figure that a scholarly mage in such a world would attempt to make a more efficient language for magical communication. Non-linguist players will just drop articles and the like, but I imagine the compound words of German would be a way to cheat the system as well. The laws of magic probably wouldn't allow you to cheat the system by just removing spaces between words and calling each sentence a word in your language, so there might be a syllable, character, or time limit instead of words. There could also be a data limit that happens to roughly equate to 25 English words. Regardless or the system, presumably there would be a way to improve efficiency over English.
This would only work if you were communicating with another individual who knows the language, but if you're sending reports to or from an organization, this could be ideal. Intelligence reports from military scouts, researchers collaborating with a university, etc.
Sees Consonants:
Now thats a lot of sounds!
Moves to vowels:
LETS ADD SOME MORE
[tool trill]
1:04 I pity whoever is crazy enough to take up this language and have to learn eight ways to breathe
Well darn, my "fuck you"-language can't compete with Ithkuil. There goes my idea of making the hardest language.
my jokelang has all the phonemes, and a voiced glottalstop, i think ihave them beat
@@ashaler__ voiced glottal stop, to quote wikipedia, is judged impossible?
@@valinorean4816 my conlang does not care what is and isnt impossible
@@ashaler__ Have you figured out how to roll your Ks yet?
@@EpicB yes, actually
i am training for the linguonasal trill
Officially *the hardest* language in the world.
ehh *_"its a conlang"_*
STFU
Ah yes, my favorite criminal investigation show, Law & Order: The Experience of Being Afraid of Something
ithkuil, the language with a big phonemic inventory
now introducing ithipona, the language with 95 phonemes and has no tones, 85 consonants and 10 vowels
Tokuil Pontha
It still only has 100ish words in it, they’re just a lot more specific
@@DragonWinter36 make this please and thank you
@@lyricalcarpenter I would, but I’m busy with college.
@@DragonWinter36 1 word per phoneme!
When I'm done making my first conlang, I'll go ahead and make polysynthetic Toki Pona. Warning, there will be manual consonants and some clicks!
Normal conlangers: where do you workout?
Ithkuil speakers: the library
Yay! Thank you so much for doing a review for one of my languages in your next episode!
Ithkuil was a big inspiration for me when creating my conlang. I really like the logical way of grouping words of similar semantic value under roots (Although, I read up on how the grammar works, and there is NO WAY I would ever go that in depth; I kind of actually want mine to be of some use practically, so...)
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i actually own a physical copy of the book
where do i buy them
Gemination does have a few minimal pairs in English. For example, unaimed/unnamed.
In my opinion, he could have bulked out the phonology a bit better by adding some palatal sounds, they’re pretty distinct, and unlike those preaspirated sounds, they’re pretty simple to articulate.
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harder is better, why so simple dude?
I feel fear and intrigue
This would probably be a good language for a stenographer to learn.
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2:00 and AaA
After watching this several times, I’ve only just now noticed that the Critic in Conlang Critic is misspelled
The phonology part of these videos make for pretty good ASMR
This is my favorite language. Period. You can pack so much detail into such a small amount of space, and it's so precise!!
How do I make my own chart like the one at 1:19
1:58 minecraft villager sounds
No one:
Grandma in the back having a stroke: 0:29
This one might need to be remade, as there is a new Ithkuil.
This isn’t a language.
It’s a throat condition.
"Ithkuil's constants are"
*someone with a lot of mucus trying to get it all out*
0:04 "Welcome to Conlang Ciritc!"
Conglang Citric is my favorite radio show
Have you considered doing a review on elvish? If I remember right their are multiple types of it sindarin etc. So it would be nice to hear a review of all of them or at least splitting them up into dialects. I have never seen a decent video on that.
Also could you start adding a few small examples of the language in each video? would be lovely to hear a sentence or two of each language.
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i saw the vowels and thought "that's not that many," then remembered
"oh right"
"i speak english"
“This is the biggest inventory we’ve ever seen, and I doubt we’ll ever see one bigger.”
Drsk: Hold my phonemic inventory.
Ithkuil 2004:
The one and only fully auto-translatable language.
Wait.
We need something to translate it to...
To be fair, Ithkuil is primarily intended to be spoken. Writing was an afterthought.. I played with a writing system called HIOXIAN (google my blog). While primarily intended for an English/ Chinese interlang, it can be fairly easily expanded to function with Ithkuil. Cheers!
Anyone else here after seeing the Half as Interesting video?
Anyone else watched this video before the HAI one before watching it?
god this channel is underrated, i cant believe ive never found it before now. i love ridiculous conlangs
A whole complex sentence with a ton of random detail can be said in 2-3 words. But, to create those words takes like 5 minutes, and to read them probably takes roughly the same, so…
I tuned out a bit during the consonant segment and at one point I thought that you were opening several different sodas, each contained in a different way (glass bottle, twist cap, can, small can, tapping on the top before opening, that kinda stuff)
The consonants part is just pure ASMR.
It’s impressive someone came up with something so specific. Ithkuil does a lot in one word.
This is a Certified ⁝𝈻̅̍ˈ̨ςˈ̇⁝ Classic
We really sat here and listened to him make a bunch of sounds for nearly a minute
... this is the kind of language we will speak in 10 million years from now!
I love how you could replace the vowel section with minecraft villager noises and it would be the same.
Mainly the â/ɑ/ open-back thing.
ASMR at 0:29
Ithkuil’s writing system looks like the font Roger Dean’s art is drawn in, if that makes any sense at all
I love this language's sheer audacity. It's amazing
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0:30 When you're going through all your instruments in a DAW
I'd like to see the keyboard for Ithkuil containing all the letters.
listing the consonants of this conlang like the tough one dropping every weapon they have
their writing system isn't really an abugida nor logography, it's 'morphological' which holds morphological information
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Your comment is tautological, which means it means what it means.
these videos are all so good! thanks for making them, im learning a ton about conlangs i never bothered to learn about myself.
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Poll: What would you think an Ithkuil-based culture would be like (in universe or in real life)?
I imagined it as a sort of upper class elite within normal (albeit more advanced than our own) societies, controlling the world(s) efficiently while laughing at the inefficiencies of the "common" languages.
I imagine that an Ithkuil speaking society, if they were able to speak it perfectly, would have less use for verbal communication and spend far less time speaking. Not only would they be able to convey information faster and more detailed than in a natural language, but they would speak more precisely, logically and unambiguously, therefore spending less time explaining themselves or clearing up misunderstandings.
I imagine that disputes, negotiations and legal and political matters would be resolved far quicker and easier. Also if law and legal contracts could be written in Ithkuil, there would be little or no debating their meaning as there would be no ambiguity.
I think even Quijada believes that an Ithkuil-based culture would be extremely unlikely, since convenience is far too important in everyday language to allow for it to work. An Ithkuil-based culture would probably have multiple vulgar dialects, which might eventually diverge into mutual intelligibility. The base language would likely be reserved for extremely formal situations, official documents, or possibly confined to liturgical purposes.
I think people can be trained to speak any language, but we must understand that the Ithkuil guy himself isn't able to "speak" his language. Every single thing one has to say must be carefully preceded by a complex mental process to identify what to say, which words to use, case, syntax, tone, and lots of other aspects. Communication would be almost impossible, unless people had mastered the language to such a level that it came naturally to them. It could well fit a society of geniuses, an idealistic world where everyone had a very high IQ. I don't see how this could happen, since even real geniuses tire of their scientific jargon sometimes, and tend to talk, in everyday situations, like the rest of us.
Oo would like to be in that one , a language that can explain itself completely with "less stuff" .
Basically this would be a more scientific type a language giving that society access to a more complete way of communicating and because ithkuil is so complex in its self the way the native ithkuils would have a very different way of thinking much quicker for shure .
This is the language that everyone wants to speak but no one can (at least fluently)
But just imagine getting raised with ithkuil , cursing the life out of someone in an argument in a single sentence 😂🤣
1:09 that sound that Peter Gregory on "Silicon Valley" made when he was upset.
but you cant type with it so who caaaaaaaaaaares
ᛉ Hansl ᛉ lol
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Tell me how that little h is typed
Pastel Jelly it is a subscript. To type in ithkuil more quickly I created a custom keyboard. His script I only handwrite
With google keyboard > alphabet, you actually can...
a good lang for you to review would be verdurian
just updated the Big List.
The perfect language for any kid to develop perfect pitch.
Imagine being fluent in both Ithkuil and Toki Pona...
Anyway, I complained about German and its very long words, but after a passing glance at Ithkuil I just shut up now and try gearing up my memory.
You get used to German words after a while lol. Ich lerne seit Fünf Wochen Deutsch
0:54 silverfish sound effect origin
man that consonant collection looks like if Polish and Hindi had a very evil child.
Imagine writing a book in this language. It would be fucking 3 pages long
And contain the combined information of a full length novel trilogy series + a few spin off short stories
him reading the consonants sounded like the preview part of an asmr video
"being hard to believe, after allegedly trying to go back to repeatedly inspiring fear using ragtag groups of suspicious looking clowns, despite resistance"
Why would you ever need one word for horribly specific situation.
oh you know
0:30 Either he’s speaking the Minecraft enchantment table or he’s doing some weird asmr.
3:24
The moment you were waiting for
This is the most fantastic channel idea I have ever heard of, Bravo old boy!
i wonder if you taught someone this language from birth and talked to them a ton, would they be able to think about stuff super quickly compared to people that learn normal languages?
native chinese speakers speak much slower than native english speakers, who speak much slower than native spanish speakers. it's been theorized that the human brain has a set speed for information processing and the denser your language is, the slower you're capable of speaking it, so i suppose a native ithkuil speaker would max out at a pretty low syllable speed.
@@mfultimate Isn't spoken Chinese typically less information dense than English though?
The vowel inventory sounds like he's practicing his mr. Bean impression
Ithkuil is the best conlang ever!
This language would literally take a LIFETIME to master...
2:11 into the video and I was already freaking out. Just why?
This is hard, but nothing can be better at needless complications than biblidarion’s thandian...