First 10-15 seconds of the recording were lost (that’s why there’s a weird cut), but we were basically just introducing ourselves and the film, so nothing too important.
I don't know if either of you have watched "Son of Saul" but I suspect it will make a highly appropriate companion piece to Zones. I'll be seeing Zone's on Wednesday.
The sounds in the beginning with the black screen was terrifying. I felt like I was hiding or trapped somewhere and I couldn’t escape from even though I had nothing to do with. It was like being transported into another dimension or time with no eyes. Incredible experience. Worth the watch alone.
Drove an hour to finally watch The Zone of Interest and I was absolutely fixated on it. The way this family has subverted the atrocities happening on the other side of the wall and made them equivalent to the sound of running water or a fan (which at first you notice and once you’re there long enough it’s gone entirely). It is haunting.
Run, don’t walk, to see BIRTH. Trust me!!! I’ve been singing its praises for two full decades now, and it’s finally starting to get the praise it deserves. Full Glazer, but shot by Harris Savides (Van Sant’s death trilogy) in gothic wintertime Manhattan, with Kidman and an amazing supporting cast, and Desplat’s greatest score ever.
I’ve just seen sexy beast and Zone of interest, saw Under the Skin back when it came out (one of my all time favorites) and now I can’t wait to watch Birth
I don’t think it’s fair to judge the workers while they are clearing on how they feel about history. In my opinion I don’t think it has anything to do with how we acknowledge history now. What I got from that scene is that even tho these areas are being cleaned there is still this sense of uncleanliness, a dirty disgusting feeling that evil had taken place there no cleaning will take away that energy in that space. Connecting that to how disgusting these people are in that town being ok thousands of people dying a day right over the wall and them breathing in the fumes of people being burned. The whole thing makes me feel really dirty and disgusted, the act of cleaning doesn’t take away. Just my opinion! Otherwise a great review!
I agree, I really don't like the comparison being made between low paid cleaning staff in the museum and the Nazi officers who designed ruthlessly efficient killing camps.
Finally rewatched this film, and I definitely have much more to say about this film, btw I absolutely loved both yours and Sam's analyses on this, genuinely. Originally, I was very startled by the fact that I was seeing this film, in the context that it was with the atrocities going on, and finding myself enjoying what the children were doing. I myself have had almost exact the same kinds of experiences growing up (recreating background sounds to things I had just heard for the first time, playing with car toys and animal toys and toy soldiers and having each of the toys have very intense fights to simply pass the time). It was as if I was living in such an environment myself the whole time, and thinking about there are still genocides and atrocities going on right now. It makes us feel like despite all of the normal stuff we do when we're either children or adults, there's people being slaughtered every day in their country and others sacrificing their lives to save them or give them something to live for. It's such a horrific thing to think about it, but in the end, it truly is the reality we have been living in this whole time. Additionally, characters reaction to these atrocities are about as normal as our reactions are to when we hear things like how people in poorer countries are starving to death, while we eat like gluttons to them. Even characters' reactions to other characters' reaction to the horrific events feel like they do not care. For example, and originally I was very confused about this. When Hedwig's mother is introduced, everything is still normal for the characters, as they walk around what is one of the most beautiful gardens I've ever seen in cinematic history, and chat about how Hedwig has truly made her life into a good one. But then, the grandmother sees the atrocities at night (btw, the camera angle we see her reaction to this is amazing, since we already know what is going on and we only need to see what she's feeling, not what she's seeing), and then she leaves unannounced. Originally, I felt that this was an unnecessary thing for Glazer to add since we don't need to see a character who hates what is going on around them but then I thought about it, and it wasn't for us to see the grandmother's reaction, it was for us to see Hedwig's reaction. After reading the letter the grandmother wrote, she just sits down and eats her breakfast and makes a few nasty remarks to the maid, as if nothing matters. She probably knew that her mother wasn't a fan of the surrounding, but Hedwig is so used to the environment that she won't go and chase her mother down to convince her of anything or that it's what's right for their country or whatever. She just lets her go and we see how she is more concerned about the family inside the walls, rather than outside. Super horrifying honestly, but for what Glazer wanted to achieve, it's brilliant. The score by Mica Levi was probably the most confusing aspect of the film originally when I watched it but now after a 2nd time, I see how incredibly well it complements the film, at least from my own perspective. Similar to how the house the family lives in is surrounded by walls that block the chaos from outside, the movie's start and end are also "walls" of their own. There is no music playing inside the walls, because inside, there's no chaos happening, it's all just a normal environment to the characters and, unfortunately, to us. The screams and noises of the outside are put into our minds first because the film wants us to understand what the environment outside the film is like, and then right as the film begins, there are birds chirping and plants rustling (which is just like the garden of the home itself by the way) and the film begins with no music other than the background noises. And yes, the only music in the film are the loud "blare-like" sounds that feel like chaotic explosions during the scenes of the negative camera view, a horrifying but genius way to encapsulate the outside that we know is there. These scenes are but only sprinkles of the chaos we hear in the beginning and end, and remind us of the chaos that goes on outside our own bubble of joy. The cinematography is nothing short of spectacular, and we see how Glazer makes these shots that remind me of cameras in our world that share how we aren't intended to see these characters' own stories in this environment, we are intended to see this environment's story with these characters. Some people may have problems with this because they prefer stories that are character-driven, or stories that explain what a character's mindset is going into actions, but Glazer did not want to do that for this type of film, as the characters are supposed to be these mundane figures that we can see ourselves through mirrors. It isn't a film that is showing how Rudolf or Hedwig or any of their children are impacting the world, it's a film that shows how the world impacts them, and the cinematography absolutely nails this. I really don't believe there's much wrong with what Glazer wanted to approach this from, it's easily for me his best film to date, and one of the most timeless films that show our own flaws or general actions in society, but it doesn't necessarily take direct shots to the chest or head, it's more of a shot to the legs, and the shot stays with us til the end of time. BTW, I wanted to apologize to Sam, during the BAFTA nomination livestream, I said I wasn't sure why so many people were convinced this film was getting a Screenplay nomination, as I had only watched it once, but originally, I was so into the environment, I hadn't taken much time into the motion of the characters and dialogue, and saw how incredible it was, but yeah now I definitely understand the appeal. So yeah my bad Sam LOL!
I have seen it. I will go to see it again. I didn't go into this thinking the kids were anything but hardcore Nazis. Something similar to Gobbels' kids. "Perfect" Aryan children. Nothing innocent about them because they'd go on trying to cleanse the world of their view of vermin.
hi Trevor and Sam. i went to the theater to see this film today and i’m glad i did. brilliant work. really enjoyed your analysis. like you, i noticed the screams and gunshots in the background and how it was at a similar volume to leaves and nature and found it eerie. like, we’re supposed to know its there but not focus on it or think about it too deeply because that family doesn’t.
The movies opening in darknest with sound is quite gripping. I wonder how many people realized that sound at the beginning of the movie was the sound of the gas chambers being turned on. And that sound was also layered under the all the other sounds happening in the movie because the movie made it clear the showers and ovens were designed to be run 24/7.
This period in history definitely cannot be talked about enough. For me, it's the farthest extreme of blindly following orders, which was a defense so many poeple used. For Glazer, his point is "Look at what atrocities we as human beings can turn a blind eye to," which is definitely a point that is and will always be relevant.
Fun conversation! In response to your comment about a book not being able to evoke what this film did I would just like to credit that this film was based on a book. The film itself is not possible without the novel.
I wish I could see it. I hate it when a movie is not released to be shown everywhere so everyone who wants to see if can. My dad was part of the liberation of the Auschwitz- Birkenau camps. He saw everything. He refused to speak about it but he brought home photos & us kids got a hold of them even though they were hidden by our mom. When she found out we had them she burned them but the images have stayed with me since I saw them. NEVER AGAIN !!
I think The Zone of Interest could’ve worked well as a ten minute short film as an installation piece in an art gallery. As is, I would hardly even call this is a movie. It’s just an amateurish premise stretched to an ungodly hour and 45 minutes. “Look how emotionally detached they are from the crimes they’re committing, isn’t that disturbing??” A highschooler in a film class could have written this movie.
@@webbe8292 I would make a film that has an actual plot with characters and such. You know, a real movie. Instead, what Glazer gave us was a boiler plate arthouse film that says absolutely nothing besides “Hey these Nazi’s coexisted right next to horrific crimes of humanity.” It felt like I was on a ride at Epcot viewing scenes from a distance. But I’m glad a lot of people are emotionally effected by it. I think I’ve just seen way too many war films that are far more substantive and disturbing, like Come and See and Rome, Open City
@@123rockfan having a more conventional plot would definitely take away from the effect the film is going for in my opinion. The whole point is that the nazi family is living a very normal, kind of boring life for the most part. If there was more plot or character development, it could come off as too sympathetic to them, making them seem like characters you are meant to root for. Sure, it may not be for everyone, but to say that Glazer has nothing to say with the film is crazy to me. He asks you the question "how do you know evil when you see it?" If these people could live perfectly normal lives with a genocide happening in their backyard, how do we know we are on the right side of history? Maybe it didn't click with you, but he definitely has a point.
@@webbe8292 you explained perfectly why I think it should be a short film. Also, saying that audiences might think we’re meant to root for them if the movie has a plot and characterizations, is treating the audience like they’re idiots. The audience is not that dumb lol
@@123rockfan to be clear, I'm not saying the viewers would root for the characters, but I think it could create the impression that Glazer wants you to root for them, if they were the main characters in a more conventional story.
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First 10-15 seconds of the recording were lost (that’s why there’s a weird cut), but we were basically just introducing ourselves and the film, so nothing too important.
I don't know if either of you have watched "Son of Saul" but I suspect it will make a highly appropriate companion piece to Zones. I'll be seeing Zone's on Wednesday.
The sounds in the beginning with the black screen was terrifying. I felt like I was hiding or trapped somewhere and I couldn’t escape from even though I had nothing to do with. It was like being transported into another dimension or time with no eyes. Incredible experience. Worth the watch alone.
This film means so much more to me because I had family on the other side of that wall. Thank you Mr Glazer for this masterpiece.
Drove an hour to finally watch The Zone of Interest and I was absolutely fixated on it. The way this family has subverted the atrocities happening on the other side of the wall and made them equivalent to the sound of running water or a fan (which at first you notice and once you’re there long enough it’s gone entirely).
It is haunting.
For two remarkably young fella's you guys are leagues ahead of many critics in your analysis. I'm incredibly impressed by you both.
I agree!!!!
Hannah Arendt ‘The banality of evil’
The girl is implied to be Polish
Great chat folks, Glazer pops his head up once a decade and drops an earth-shattering masterpiece. You've got a new subscriber.
Run, don’t walk, to see BIRTH. Trust me!!! I’ve been singing its praises for two full decades now, and it’s finally starting to get the praise it deserves.
Full Glazer, but shot by Harris Savides (Van Sant’s death trilogy) in gothic wintertime Manhattan, with Kidman and an amazing supporting cast, and Desplat’s greatest score ever.
I’ve just seen sexy beast and Zone of interest, saw Under the Skin back when it came out (one of my all time favorites) and now I can’t wait to watch Birth
I don’t think it’s fair to judge the workers while they are clearing on how they feel about history. In my opinion I don’t think it has anything to do with how we acknowledge history now. What I got from that scene is that even tho these areas are being cleaned there is still this sense of uncleanliness, a dirty disgusting feeling that evil had taken place there no cleaning will take away that energy in that space. Connecting that to how disgusting these people are in that town being ok thousands of people dying a day right over the wall and them breathing in the fumes of people being burned. The whole thing makes me feel really dirty and disgusted, the act of cleaning doesn’t take away. Just my opinion! Otherwise a great review!
I agree, I really don't like the comparison being made between low paid cleaning staff in the museum and the Nazi officers who designed ruthlessly efficient killing camps.
Finally rewatched this film, and I definitely have much more to say about this film, btw I absolutely loved both yours and Sam's analyses on this, genuinely.
Originally, I was very startled by the fact that I was seeing this film, in the context that it was with the atrocities going on, and finding myself enjoying what the children were doing. I myself have had almost exact the same kinds of experiences growing up (recreating background sounds to things I had just heard for the first time, playing with car toys and animal toys and toy soldiers and having each of the toys have very intense fights to simply pass the time). It was as if I was living in such an environment myself the whole time, and thinking about there are still genocides and atrocities going on right now. It makes us feel like despite all of the normal stuff we do when we're either children or adults, there's people being slaughtered every day in their country and others sacrificing their lives to save them or give them something to live for. It's such a horrific thing to think about it, but in the end, it truly is the reality we have been living in this whole time.
Additionally, characters reaction to these atrocities are about as normal as our reactions are to when we hear things like how people in poorer countries are starving to death, while we eat like gluttons to them. Even characters' reactions to other characters' reaction to the horrific events feel like they do not care. For example, and originally I was very confused about this. When Hedwig's mother is introduced, everything is still normal for the characters, as they walk around what is one of the most beautiful gardens I've ever seen in cinematic history, and chat about how Hedwig has truly made her life into a good one. But then, the grandmother sees the atrocities at night (btw, the camera angle we see her reaction to this is amazing, since we already know what is going on and we only need to see what she's feeling, not what she's seeing), and then she leaves unannounced. Originally, I felt that this was an unnecessary thing for Glazer to add since we don't need to see a character who hates what is going on around them but then I thought about it, and it wasn't for us to see the grandmother's reaction, it was for us to see Hedwig's reaction. After reading the letter the grandmother wrote, she just sits down and eats her breakfast and makes a few nasty remarks to the maid, as if nothing matters. She probably knew that her mother wasn't a fan of the surrounding, but Hedwig is so used to the environment that she won't go and chase her mother down to convince her of anything or that it's what's right for their country or whatever. She just lets her go and we see how she is more concerned about the family inside the walls, rather than outside. Super horrifying honestly, but for what Glazer wanted to achieve, it's brilliant.
The score by Mica Levi was probably the most confusing aspect of the film originally when I watched it but now after a 2nd time, I see how incredibly well it complements the film, at least from my own perspective. Similar to how the house the family lives in is surrounded by walls that block the chaos from outside, the movie's start and end are also "walls" of their own. There is no music playing inside the walls, because inside, there's no chaos happening, it's all just a normal environment to the characters and, unfortunately, to us. The screams and noises of the outside are put into our minds first because the film wants us to understand what the environment outside the film is like, and then right as the film begins, there are birds chirping and plants rustling (which is just like the garden of the home itself by the way) and the film begins with no music other than the background noises. And yes, the only music in the film are the loud "blare-like" sounds that feel like chaotic explosions during the scenes of the negative camera view, a horrifying but genius way to encapsulate the outside that we know is there. These scenes are but only sprinkles of the chaos we hear in the beginning and end, and remind us of the chaos that goes on outside our own bubble of joy.
The cinematography is nothing short of spectacular, and we see how Glazer makes these shots that remind me of cameras in our world that share how we aren't intended to see these characters' own stories in this environment, we are intended to see this environment's story with these characters. Some people may have problems with this because they prefer stories that are character-driven, or stories that explain what a character's mindset is going into actions, but Glazer did not want to do that for this type of film, as the characters are supposed to be these mundane figures that we can see ourselves through mirrors. It isn't a film that is showing how Rudolf or Hedwig or any of their children are impacting the world, it's a film that shows how the world impacts them, and the cinematography absolutely nails this.
I really don't believe there's much wrong with what Glazer wanted to approach this from, it's easily for me his best film to date, and one of the most timeless films that show our own flaws or general actions in society, but it doesn't necessarily take direct shots to the chest or head, it's more of a shot to the legs, and the shot stays with us til the end of time.
BTW, I wanted to apologize to Sam, during the BAFTA nomination livestream, I said I wasn't sure why so many people were convinced this film was getting a Screenplay nomination, as I had only watched it once, but originally, I was so into the environment, I hadn't taken much time into the motion of the characters and dialogue, and saw how incredible it was, but yeah now I definitely understand the appeal. So yeah my bad Sam LOL!
I have seen it. I will go to see it again.
I didn't go into this thinking the kids were anything but hardcore Nazis. Something similar to Gobbels' kids. "Perfect" Aryan children. Nothing innocent about them because they'd go on trying to cleanse the world of their view of vermin.
Love this
Whoa! Incredible analysis
Well done. If you haven’t watched “Come and See” I highly recommend it
During the scene where guns are being fired about 14 inches above the boys head, they ran out of blanks and used live ammo instead.
Also The Act of Killing, a documentary which interviews real Indonesian genocide leaders and has an eerily similar ending to TZOI
OH. And Jennifer Kent’s “The Nightingale” which portrays the brutality of the colonization of Australia
The Zone of Interest is a masterpiece!
hi Trevor and Sam. i went to the theater to see this film today and i’m glad i did. brilliant work. really enjoyed your analysis. like you, i noticed the screams and gunshots in the background and how it was at a similar volume to leaves and nature and found it eerie. like, we’re supposed to know its there but not focus on it or think about it too deeply because that family doesn’t.
The movies opening in darknest with sound is quite gripping. I wonder how many people realized that sound at the beginning of the movie was the sound of the gas chambers being turned on. And that sound was also layered under the all the other sounds happening in the movie because the movie made it clear the showers and ovens were designed to be run 24/7.
This period in history definitely cannot be talked about enough. For me, it's the farthest extreme of blindly following orders, which was a defense so many poeple used. For Glazer, his point is "Look at what atrocities we as human beings can turn a blind eye to," which is definitely a point that is and will always be relevant.
I love the 3 cuts you described. Ive seen past lives and anatomy of a fall. This one is next. Thanks again.
She is polish
Fun conversation! In response to your comment about a book not being able to evoke what this film did I would just like to credit that this film was based on a book. The film itself is not possible without the novel.
I am literally waiting for digital format
Good Chat
I wish I could see it. I hate it when a movie is not released to be shown everywhere so everyone who wants to see if can. My dad was part of the liberation of the Auschwitz- Birkenau camps. He saw everything. He refused to speak about it but he brought home photos & us kids got a hold of them even though they were hidden by our mom. When she found out we had them she burned them but the images have stayed with me since I saw them. NEVER AGAIN !!
Unfortunately, it's not 'never again' but 'constantly'.
Isnt that good of a movie. People just thought nazis weren’t normal people or something.
I think The Zone of Interest could’ve worked well as a ten minute short film as an installation piece in an art gallery. As is, I would hardly even call this is a movie. It’s just an amateurish premise stretched to an ungodly hour and 45 minutes. “Look how emotionally detached they are from the crimes they’re committing, isn’t that disturbing??” A highschooler in a film class could have written this movie.
How exactly is the premise "amateurish"? I mean, how would you write a script about the Holocaust from this perspective? How would you change it?
@@webbe8292 I would make a film that has an actual plot with characters and such. You know, a real movie. Instead, what Glazer gave us was a boiler plate arthouse film that says absolutely nothing besides “Hey these Nazi’s coexisted right next to horrific crimes of humanity.” It felt like I was on a ride at Epcot viewing scenes from a distance. But I’m glad a lot of people are emotionally effected by it. I think I’ve just seen way too many war films that are far more substantive and disturbing, like Come and See and Rome, Open City
@@123rockfan having a more conventional plot would definitely take away from the effect the film is going for in my opinion. The whole point is that the nazi family is living a very normal, kind of boring life for the most part. If there was more plot or character development, it could come off as too sympathetic to them, making them seem like characters you are meant to root for.
Sure, it may not be for everyone, but to say that Glazer has nothing to say with the film is crazy to me. He asks you the question "how do you know evil when you see it?" If these people could live perfectly normal lives with a genocide happening in their backyard, how do we know we are on the right side of history? Maybe it didn't click with you, but he definitely has a point.
@@webbe8292 you explained perfectly why I think it should be a short film. Also, saying that audiences might think we’re meant to root for them if the movie has a plot and characterizations, is treating the audience like they’re idiots. The audience is not that dumb lol
@@123rockfan to be clear, I'm not saying the viewers would root for the characters, but I think it could create the impression that Glazer wants you to root for them, if they were the main characters in a more conventional story.
Highly interested in this film