this is my first time ever buying a new bike.... others were old used bikes. this i always wanted since fat bike came out. so i am home more now . i bought one .
just saw your channel this morning ...... i just got a fat bike . delivered to my place . in a box . just had to put handel bar and front wheel and front brake on front wheel and peddel on . after all that and unpacking and trying to put it together ,, i found front wheel wanting to almost rub fork. i do not know what to do.
The 2023 has super low top tube, so great stand over heigh. But buy the 2 or 3, as they have axle not skewer like 1. The frame is $549.00 Weird they did this.
I have the Juin Tech F1s on my dropbat Poseidon Redwood with 180mm rotors. They are excellent brakes. I weigh 260 and I have carried 55lbs of gear on some.single track doing bikepacking. They work very well. Obviously not as well as hydraulic but I would have had to upgrade the whole drive train, brifters. I do, however, think that the Norton is over priced.
Glad to hear some positive over the Juins!!! The sale price was definitely closer to what it should be imo but the original asking price is just too much....
Finally got the replacement. Everything was good this time. Haven't taken it on any trails yet but it's a sweet ride on the road/sidewalks so far. The derailleur did need a little adjustment out of the box, but it's shifting great now. The parts will be upgraded over time but it's a sweet deal so far.
For the slight price difference (since the Norton is on sale) and the Norton having through axles front and back, I'd tell you to go the Poseidon route personally!
For the specs, think I'd much rather just buy the frame....and build it my self......they could have put a Judy and mt200s on it and sold it for the same price....then it would be worth it....maybe.
@chickensendies yeah, and I agree with you on the price. Aldo the narrow tires, I've actually told them to make it available as 29er, and they told me it was not in their plans, ohh well. Frame looks great, very similar to the ardor
Looking to purchase 1st hardtail. Can you help me? Want the cheapest but still good bike. Been looking at the trek marlins, extrada 6 and others... no idea what to get
@bobaloca I'd recommend you go to a local shop and try a few out and by from them as opposed to a Xtrada (Polygon). That way you can have local support and they will help you quite a bit since you bought local as well 😁 Really hooe that helps and let me know what you decide on doing!!!
I was looking forward to the release. The frame has great geo, and gave me high hopes. But the spec is just disappointing especially for the price point. There are several options that provide you with much more for your money. I just picked up a Diamondback Syncr for less than this Poseidon, and the spec is leaps and bounds above.
@@chickensendies All in all its a valiant first showing by Poseidon. I have no doubt it will be a great starting place for them as similar feedback will get back to them and they will adjust accordingly. If the don’t adjust they will just end up fading out of the market.
Judging by other people's reviews, the weight is far off. It weighs around 34lbs. Frame is good, got some okay parts, but for $1300, should have a better crank and fork. A square taper crank at over a thousand dollars is not good. And the fork is much too heavy and with poor adjustment for people of different weights or riding expectations. Brakes, shorter stem and dropper post are not huge expenses and can be personal upgrades according to taste, but the core items- frame, fork and crank, which usually are big expenses and difficult to change, should be upgradable and of good quality.
9:36 not a fan, high top tube. Not really into the XCish bikes. If I were to buy an new xc bike I would buy an xc bike with geo of a enduro bike. Not many of that exist. Pipedream Sirius S5 is that. But I would want a larger size on that bike too. so far I've not seen an XC bike with such geo in my size.
Yep, very tempting now Liked the looks of the intrepid better, but for the cash along with through axles makes it more future proof Makes a hell of an upgrade for a mere $50,
This Poseidon actually has aggressive geometry versus the polygon and the fuse. I normally don't fall into the trap of buying a bike just for the components but yeah $1,300 is a rip off for that Poseidon.
At 1k, I definitely can see purchasing this as a much better option. Put the extra $300 in a nice fork and be ready for a shreddy! But, Still some decent other options around this price point as well lol
@@chickensendies Mongoose does that too. They have a couple of new gravel bikes which are about $300 more than they should be. then they have them on sale constantly..... Marketing ploy?? LOL
hydraulic brakes require more maintenance than mechanical. at this price point, which is over priced for what it is, Poseidon knows exactly what they're doing
Valid point there on maintenance 😁 I hope the frame is a decent price alone. Would be a great project frame for sure!!! The complete though.... Sadly falls short.
Check out Trace Velo, he's done reviews on the Juintech brakes. Plus he's a fantastic TH-camr from this side of the pond. The Shimano MT200s are cheaper and probably better performing.
Here is what I think of it: I think of most of the parts there as placeholders, frame looks nice, geo is good. Frame: brake mount could be better, routing could be better. would be nice with more sizes, as with many brands I am above the size range. Max is XL, but I would need XXL. 65 Deg head angle is nice. could have shorter stem. But in my opinion a even slacker head angle would be nice combined with short stem for direct steering. But I am used to 62.5 and love it. But most brands won't do that slack. Ragley does 63deg so pretty close. Components: Microshift Advent X: ratchet clutch with a lot of play. Fork, no proper adjustment, plastic caps, so not for hard riding, not safe, springs could shoot the rider. Cranks with spider being a part of the crank arm is a NO for me. If you snap the spider you need a new crank. Mechanically actuated hydraulic brakes is a bad idea, I prefer fully hydraulic. But if going for mechanical go for nice ones. not mixture of both. For the price an air fork would be nice, I am not against coil forks they have their advantages, and are simple, but this fork is not nice, it needs metal caps and a damper. 780mm handlebar would be too narrow for some, definitely for me, but I need one size larger frame size than the max size. Wheels: no info on thee wheels.
@@chickensendies Definitely not a great deal, also no info on the hubs, so don't know if the engagement is decent, that's a common compromise even on bikes that cost twice or trise of this one. So I don't know if hubs would need to be swapped, and don't know which rims it uses, nor spokes, nor nipples. I would not want wheels with horrible engagement and weak spokes, and nipples, round off, snap, crack, corrode. I don't know what's the best, but I know Sapim spokes, and Sapim brass nipples, are superb. they can handle a hammering from rocks, a lot of truing, for years and still not fail. Not impressed with DT Swiss brass nipples, they round off a bit, only been few months of use. and a bit of truing. But the Alu nipples corroded, cracked in few months, but it was second hand wheel, but I saw some of the nipples were messed up rounded off, but few months with me and the nipples had to be changed. So I tried the DT Swiss as they were the only nipples I could get my hands on in Norway at the time, and wanted to try them, but I am not impressed. There are different types of brass, DT Swiss seems to use a bad type. I had Sapim spokes and nipples on the Hope Enduro 29 wheels. I have DT Swiss wheels now, but I might try the Sapim spokes on eventually. I heard their Alu nipples are great too, but not tried them. But Sapim Brass Nipples are a solid choice.
I have zero evidence to back this up, just what I've gathered from some LBS owners, and some seeing of how Japanese companies can operate from when I lived there. Shimano, esp over Covid time, has been prioritizing those companies that it has established relationships with and those that created a predictable business stream. Poseidon has no history with them. And the big brands are likely buying up all their supply. The fork is the biggest let down in my opinion. Advent X is fine, I have it on my bikepacking bike. Brakes, see above. But a fork is a hard and costly upgrade, esp for a budget shopper. What's the likely resale of this XCM en-route to an upgrade? Guessing not much. And for the price, shouldn't be an issue to begin with. And, for that matter, Poseidon gravel bikes are flooding the used market and don't seem to have any resale value. So, the bike itself is a hit against a future upgrade. Stoic 2 was just recently on sale under $1k. Canyon deals aren't infrequent. I'd just save money until one comes up. Or check in on the outlet. One right now in small for $1099
That could be exactly what happened here and if that is the case, that is definitely a shame. The stoic at the price is an extremely great grab. Especially if you can snag it on sale as you mentioned! Appreciate the input and comment!
@@chickensendies I'm looking for a bike. I like the Ozark gravel bike. Just really don't like the handle bars. Was thinking about changing them to regular bars. Just a thought. Or might go hardtail. First timer in the bike world. Trying to stay under $600-700
@carlosdiazosoloso5541 good thing is at that price you have options! Ozark you'd have to put a little hit into swapping to flat bars. I'd tell you to look at the Poseidon flatbar X! I have one and love it. If you want a mountainbike I'd say this Norton or look at some polygon hardtail options 😁
It’s a nice looking bike but WAY overpriced. Both the Canyon Stoic and Polygon Xtrada 7 are nicer bikes and cheaper. It also would be crazy to get this bike over a Vitus Sentier VR for $1100 or the Sentier VRS at $1400 but comes with a Bomber Z2 fork and dropper post. The Marin Bobcat Trail 5 is very similar speced for $500 less and same with the Marin San Quentin 1
@@chickensendies But it has skewer, and worse geometry. it's a XC bike with very XCish geometry. But good drivetrain choice on it. But stupid high top tube. But XC bike to my liking in my size does not exist.
@@chickensendies that green. Looks like "Ocean green", nice but yeah... That prize is ridiculous. Got my Stoic 3 from sale with 1.5k...got dropper and Pike at front. Super bike! They should add hydraulic brakes, dropper and air fork with that prize tag.
I agree with you, good $800 bike. Someone else said what i was thinking,would be a good frame to start a build with
Would definitely be a great frame to build up!
100% agree
this is my first time ever buying a new bike.... others were old used bikes. this i always wanted since fat bike came out. so i am home more now . i bought one .
I love my fat bike!!! Hoe you enjoy it!
Liking the variety of formats.
Trying to mix it up! 😅😅😅
just saw your channel this morning ...... i just got a fat bike . delivered to my place . in a box . just had to put handel bar and front wheel and front brake on front wheel and peddel on . after all that and unpacking and trying to put it together ,, i found front wheel wanting to almost rub fork. i do not know what to do.
Hmmmmm.... With out seeing it there could be a few things. Wheel not in properly or Not enough air in the tire. I'd check those 2 first.
Ok . I will .. I use to . Work on bike b4 .but the fat bike . Are a little different
I want this frame or a Marin San Quinten. Whichever is cheaper, haha.
Right! The geo on this poseidon is very good!
The 2023 has super low top tube, so great stand over heigh.
But buy the 2 or 3, as they have axle not skewer like 1.
The frame is $549.00
Weird they did this.
Thanks for sticking up for Suntour! The higher end Suntours are as good as anthing in my opinion
I agree as well! Suntour has been on several podiums!
Suntour has a wide range of forks, their highend stuff are nice!
Yeah I have the durolux on my ragley mmboop and it's amazing and been flawless
I have the Juin Tech F1s on my dropbat Poseidon Redwood with 180mm rotors. They are excellent brakes. I weigh 260 and I have carried 55lbs of gear on some.single track doing bikepacking. They work very well. Obviously not as well as hydraulic but I would have had to upgrade the whole drive train, brifters. I do, however, think that the Norton is over priced.
Glad to hear some positive over the Juins!!!
The sale price was definitely closer to what it should be imo but the original asking price is just too much....
down to 699.99, tempted to get one now
Not bad at the price imo 😁
I ordered one. It arrived with the headset damaged so I had to return it, and I'm now waiting for the replacement.
@@Dinty51 ah man.... Hate hearing that
Finally got the replacement. Everything was good this time. Haven't taken it on any trails yet but it's a sweet ride on the road/sidewalks so far. The derailleur did need a little adjustment out of the box, but it's shifting great now. The parts will be upgraded over time but it's a sweet deal so far.
@Dinty51 very nice!!! Appreciate the update on your experience 😁
I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to get this or the Mongoose switch back expert that just came out at Dick's
For the slight price difference (since the Norton is on sale) and the Norton having through axles front and back, I'd tell you to go the Poseidon route personally!
At $1300, air fork and hydro brakes needs to be standard
Exactly my feelings as well. Appreciate you, Keo 😁
What is the max chain ring size for the bottom bracket to frame area?
For the specs, think I'd much rather just buy the frame....and build it my self......they could have put a Judy and mt200s on it and sold it for the same price....then it would be worth it....maybe.
Hit the nail on the head
2:23 I've seen those brakes on Ali express
Seems like they can be found on Amazon as well!
@chickensendies yeah, and I agree with you on the price.
Aldo the narrow tires, I've actually told them to make it available as 29er, and they told me it was not in their plans, ohh well. Frame looks great, very similar to the ardor
@MTB Alex 29er option would be nice. At the end of the day, it is what it is.
Looking to purchase 1st hardtail. Can you help me? Want the cheapest but still good bike. Been looking at the trek marlins, extrada 6 and others... no idea what to get
Let me ask you this. Do you want to work on your bike on your own or are you planning on taking it to a bike shop if you ever have issues?
@@chickensendies bike shop since I'm brand new to all this. Maybe later on my own
@bobaloca I'd recommend you go to a local shop and try a few out and by from them as opposed to a Xtrada (Polygon). That way you can have local support and they will help you quite a bit since you bought local as well 😁 Really hooe that helps and let me know what you decide on doing!!!
@chickensendies I think I found one. Going to look at a marin bobcat trail 4. Any thoughts on this bike? Just need to see if I need a 27.5 or 29
I was looking forward to the release. The frame has great geo, and gave me high hopes. But the spec is just disappointing especially for the price point. There are several options that provide you with much more for your money. I just picked up a Diamondback Syncr for less than this Poseidon, and the spec is leaps and bounds above.
Yep, The frame is very nice!!! The spec at this price is just not good.... Appreciate the comment and input!
@@chickensendies All in all its a valiant first showing by Poseidon. I have no doubt it will be a great starting place for them as similar feedback will get back to them and they will adjust accordingly. If the don’t adjust they will just end up fading out of the market.
@Freestone Adventures Definitely! Their other bikes are a terrific value at their price points, so this hardtail kind of makes me scratch my heads 😅
Judging by other people's reviews, the weight is far off. It weighs around 34lbs.
Frame is good, got some okay parts, but for $1300, should have a better crank and fork.
A square taper crank at over a thousand dollars is not good. And the fork is much too heavy and with poor adjustment for people of different weights or riding expectations.
Brakes, shorter stem and dropper post are not huge expenses and can be personal upgrades according to taste, but the core items- frame, fork and crank, which usually are big expenses and difficult to change, should be upgradable and of good quality.
9:36 not a fan, high top tube. Not really into the XCish bikes. If I were to buy an new xc bike I would buy an xc bike with geo of a enduro bike. Not many of that exist. Pipedream Sirius S5 is that. But I would want a larger size on that bike too. so far I've not seen an XC bike with such geo in my size.
XC is definitely not for everyone. Here where I live it is actually preferred by most.... I am not most though HAHAHAHA
Its at $700 now.. considering buying
Much better at that price. The frame itself seems very nice!
It's barely much more than the Giordano Intrepid now
@user-yc6wx4sn5n I would not necessarily disagree here. Main difference is just frame geo. Parts are definitely in line with each other.
Yep, very tempting now
Liked the looks of the intrepid better, but for the cash along with through axles makes it more future proof
Makes a hell of an upgrade for a mere $50,
Did they say what brand the wheel hubs were?
A frameset build can be around 27lbs.
Not bad at all!
This Poseidon actually has aggressive geometry versus the polygon and the fuse. I normally don't fall into the trap of buying a bike just for the components but yeah $1,300 is a rip off for that Poseidon.
I agree there!!! Just a few changes, and this could have been a homerun.
@@chickensendies yep the asking price is way too high for a frame with mostly throwaway parts
I’m curious what they will sell the frame for. It’s a good platform. The geo seems good, 65 degree HT is nice.
@Dennis Floyd Definitely could be a very nice option!!!
@@dennisfloyd8514Bike is $899 with their coupon and the frame is $399
Hopefully they'll sell the frame reasonably. I'd buy it for 400 or so.
I think $400 is a decent spot to be my self.... My gut tells me it'll be more.....
@Chicken Sendies i think you're right. I just have too many other options when they get up to $600.
@mrdew 100% agree..... If this sales frame only for $300-$400 I will absolutely snag one to build up though!
@@Vondoobie Ended up being 399, not too bad.
@@jayman81424 Definitely not for a build!
Ended up dropping to $999. I am still weary at that price though, frame is nice however.
At 1k, I definitely can see purchasing this as a much better option. Put the extra $300 in a nice fork and be ready for a shreddy! But, Still some decent other options around this price point as well lol
Agree 100%.
@gregnowak2492 yep! Been on sale a few times now at a much better price 😁
@@chickensendies Mongoose does that too. They have a couple of new gravel bikes which are about $300 more than they should be. then they have them on sale constantly..... Marketing ploy?? LOL
@gregnowak2492 Yea, I'm honestly not sure. I wonder if they have no idea on the market or their competitors.... Could very easily be a ploy though 😅😅😅
hydraulic brakes require more maintenance than mechanical. at this price point, which is over priced for what it is, Poseidon knows exactly what they're doing
Valid point there on maintenance 😁
I hope the frame is a decent price alone. Would be a great project frame for sure!!!
The complete though.... Sadly falls short.
@@chickensendies that black one does look good
@@TecraTube Absolutely!!!!
@@chickensendies hey since I got you, why you go with binary maniak over a lynskey or sage or neohaus?
@John Smith Really no good answer besides personal preference. People at Binary were great to work with and I loved the look and specs of it 😁
The price dropped fast!!! It went from $1300 to $999 in very short order from it's release... I doubt sales were all that great at $1300.
I saw that.... Definitely interested to see what happens in the long run!
Check out Trace Velo, he's done reviews on the Juintech brakes. Plus he's a fantastic TH-camr from this side of the pond. The Shimano MT200s are cheaper and probably better performing.
Appreciate the info there, Husky!!! I'll have to pay his channel a visit 😁
Here is what I think of it:
I think of most of the parts there as placeholders, frame looks nice, geo is good.
Frame:
brake mount could be better, routing could be better.
would be nice with more sizes, as with many brands I am above the size range. Max is XL, but I would need XXL.
65 Deg head angle is nice. could have shorter stem. But in my opinion a even slacker head angle would be nice combined with short stem for direct steering. But I am used to 62.5 and love it. But most brands won't do that slack. Ragley does 63deg so pretty close.
Components:
Microshift Advent X: ratchet clutch with a lot of play.
Fork, no proper adjustment, plastic caps, so not for hard riding, not safe, springs could shoot the rider.
Cranks with spider being a part of the crank arm is a NO for me. If you snap the spider you need a new crank.
Mechanically actuated hydraulic brakes is a bad idea, I prefer fully hydraulic. But if going for mechanical go for nice ones. not mixture of both.
For the price an air fork would be nice, I am not against coil forks they have their advantages, and are simple, but this fork is not nice, it needs metal caps and a damper.
780mm handlebar would be too narrow for some, definitely for me, but I need one size larger frame size than the max size.
Wheels: no info on thee wheels.
For me it is not the build in the entirety.... It is the asking price for the components.... It is just priced to high for what it is.
@@chickensendies Definitely not a great deal, also no info on the hubs, so don't know if the engagement is decent, that's a common compromise even on bikes that cost twice or trise of this one. So I don't know if hubs would need to be swapped, and don't know which rims it uses, nor spokes, nor nipples. I would not want wheels with horrible engagement and weak spokes, and nipples, round off, snap, crack, corrode. I don't know what's the best, but I know Sapim spokes, and Sapim brass nipples, are superb. they can handle a hammering from rocks, a lot of truing, for years and still not fail. Not impressed with DT Swiss brass nipples, they round off a bit, only been few months of use. and a bit of truing. But the Alu nipples corroded, cracked in few months, but it was second hand wheel, but I saw some of the nipples were messed up rounded off, but few months with me and the nipples had to be changed.
So I tried the DT Swiss as they were the only nipples I could get my hands on in Norway at the time, and wanted to try them, but I am not impressed.
There are different types of brass, DT Swiss seems to use a bad type.
I had Sapim spokes and nipples on the Hope Enduro 29 wheels.
I have DT Swiss wheels now, but I might try the Sapim spokes on eventually. I heard their Alu nipples are great too, but not tried them.
But Sapim Brass Nipples are a solid choice.
I have zero evidence to back this up, just what I've gathered from some LBS owners, and some seeing of how Japanese companies can operate from when I lived there. Shimano, esp over Covid time, has been prioritizing those companies that it has established relationships with and those that created a predictable business stream. Poseidon has no history with them. And the big brands are likely buying up all their supply.
The fork is the biggest let down in my opinion. Advent X is fine, I have it on my bikepacking bike. Brakes, see above. But a fork is a hard and costly upgrade, esp for a budget shopper. What's the likely resale of this XCM en-route to an upgrade? Guessing not much. And for the price, shouldn't be an issue to begin with. And, for that matter, Poseidon gravel bikes are flooding the used market and don't seem to have any resale value. So, the bike itself is a hit against a future upgrade.
Stoic 2 was just recently on sale under $1k. Canyon deals aren't infrequent. I'd just save money until one comes up. Or check in on the outlet. One right now in small for $1099
That could be exactly what happened here and if that is the case, that is definitely a shame.
The stoic at the price is an extremely great grab. Especially if you can snag it on sale as you mentioned!
Appreciate the input and comment!
Just saw this video... And now this bike is on sale for $699
@carlosdiazosoloso5541 much better deal at that price 😁
@@chickensendies I'm looking for a bike. I like the Ozark gravel bike. Just really don't like the handle bars. Was thinking about changing them to regular bars. Just a thought. Or might go hardtail. First timer in the bike world. Trying to stay under $600-700
@carlosdiazosoloso5541 good thing is at that price you have options! Ozark you'd have to put a little hit into swapping to flat bars. I'd tell you to look at the Poseidon flatbar X! I have one and love it. If you want a mountainbike I'd say this Norton or look at some polygon hardtail options 😁
For the price, the Marin looks a lot better bang for the buck imo
I did not even think about Marin!!!! Definitely better value imo as well!
It’s a nice looking bike but WAY overpriced. Both the Canyon Stoic and Polygon Xtrada 7 are nicer bikes and cheaper. It also would be crazy to get this bike over a Vitus Sentier VR for $1100 or the Sentier VRS at $1400 but comes with a Bomber Z2 fork and dropper post. The Marin Bobcat Trail 5 is very similar speced for $500 less and same with the Marin San Quentin 1
Appreciate the input and glad we are on the same page here! It had so much potential, but sadly, the ball was dropped here.....
The Grand Canyon 5 blows this out of the water.
I definitely agree 😁
@@chickensendies But it has skewer, and worse geometry. it's a XC bike with very XCish geometry. But good drivetrain choice on it. But stupid high top tube. But XC bike to my liking in my size does not exist.
thats basically a walmart bike for 1300 thats crazy
The price is definitely steep for what it offers to the table
U know I’ll build u a discord server for ur channel
I've been debating on this actually.....
This bike go s for 699. right now.
@nealtown1270 much better deal at that price 😁
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My man! 😁😁😁
@@chickensendies that green. Looks like "Ocean green", nice but yeah... That prize is ridiculous. Got my Stoic 3 from sale with 1.5k...got dropper and Pike at front. Super bike! They should add hydraulic brakes, dropper and air fork with that prize tag.
@Fractured Rider Definitely my thoughts as well! So, much potential here too! Just missed the mark.