Jadeite Jade or Fei Cui ? with Dr Edward Liu
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2020
- In the 15th Home Gemmology webinar, with the support of CIBJO - The World Jewellery Confederation, the discussion is made around the nomenclature debate that is happening at the time of broadcast (May 2020) around the so-called jadeite jade that is known in China as 翡翠 fei cui . To address the scientific angle of this matter, I've invited Dr Edward Liu FGA, Vice-Chairman of the Gemmological Association of Hong Kong, following the discussion presented at the last CIBJO Congress. At the time of the recording, a CIBJO working group is currently discussing this nomenclature with a resolution supposed be presented in the near future, having in mind that the mission statement of CIBJO is much about promoting consumer confidence.
Edward Johnson, co-editor of the Home Gemmology webinar series, also shares his personal experience as a westerner that loved in Hong Kong in the late 1990 and dealt directly with jade.
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I grew up with jade and my grandma used to work at mings jewelry in Hawaii, so growing up it was always the light green and what we called the Omphacite Fei Cui used to be apple jade. I’m so glad that it’s finally made in this manner and now we no longer need to really go off of all those classes. In reality Fei Cui is so powerful that it will really no longer matter the class or type. Wether you sell it or not people will pay the price if they feel that piece has some sort of connection to them. As for me I have always chosen the omphacite Fei Cui because it reminds me of my grandma and it’s culture for me. We shouldn’t be discouraged of the name change and all the changes that comes with it. This is a natural, but most magnificent stone in the world and I’m more excited of the fact to introduce it in this manner and now have more knowledge on why it was so technical for so long and how now it’s finally it’s own whole being which is now Fei Cui.
I bought a new bracelet today that I'm believing is pure jade dark green with some marbling. Praying about it being the real thing it was very expensive. 500$ I really think she should be over the moon with this gift 💗
Superb presentation. One of the best I've seen in a long time. Thank you Edward, Rui and Ed!
Excellent discussion. Thanks, it's the first time that I finally understand "fei cui"! (However I would have loved to still hear something about the different possible colours.)
Yes, I agree. I love all of it, from estate sales or pre-loved, jade imparts a feeling of warm well being that I can’t explain. All colors are gorgeous, how ever it’s the happy apple green mixed with mutton fat design that I currently prefer most…
This have been by far the most informative and detailed discussions about jade! I have always loved Jade, even though we are not Chinese, we have old jade items and jewelry that is from my grandmother. I only recognize real jade based on touch, jade is always cold. Nowadays there are many stimulated jade in the market it is hard to differentiate the originals now. Thank you
Thank you very much for feedback
As a GG from Michigan USA...I am on board with this as it is very clear and concise that the name Fei Cui is a broader term that allows for the inclusion of all pyroxenes that make up what we have known as "Jadeite". I for one am going to adopt the term and hope to educate others.
Very good and well presented mr Edward Liu. I'm one of jadeite lover and and I'm any green stones collector here in Lae Papua New Guinea.
Thank you for this video. I am a new carve jade. I have always loved the historic jade carvings in museums. More recently, I have become aware of modern carvers and their great work. But this history about jade is so important to me.
For my (pathetic in chemistry) own brain, this webinar is beyond educational, because it’s fascinating. Thank you for explaining this with intelligent seriousness the subject demands, but also in a fashion that lay ppl and newbies can comprehend. You’re greatly appreciated!
how do u not have more subs and views i cannot fathom. very good vids
Thank you. I learned a lot.
🙏🙏🙏 thank you so much
Love to see this vlog,so much info in guiding buying a real jade💗
Glad to know it is useful 👍🏼
Great sir!
Thanks for the discussion. About 1980 I visited Taiwan a few times and came across a store selling carving made of nephrite Jade. I bought some because in 1980 the carvings were pretty reasonably priced. I'm sort of a private collector of semi-precious gemstones. The way I tell Nephrite from Jadeite is with a specific gravity test. Nephrite being slightly less than Jadeite when tested for specific gravity. In hardness they are hard to tell apart. Nephrite Jade is also somewhat translucent in thinner areas of the material, but not as much as Jadeite. (in my collection anyway)I also have a few small items made of Jadeite. I found some green stones in a river in Japan many years ago that I believe to be Jadeite, but very much occluded with some white mineral mixed within. For the longest time I carried one of these stones for luck with mixed results.
Thank you very much for sharing such a personal perspective
Can you guys do a video on Omphacite specifically? I have jadeite, nephrite, and omphacite and the differences are all remarkable
I am a consumer and purchased some jade pieces, however it has been difficult to differentiate what was claimed to be this or that. This presentation has helped me to understand the cultural history and discernment of the material.
Thank you very much, glad that it was useful
One question on nephrite and fei cui. If nephrite jade was the main type in the past, why is it now no longer considered premium to own these days. It seems that Burmese jadeite is being pushed heavily in the marketplace and nephrite is being shoved to the corner? Is my perception here in the US off mark or is it marketing and pushing Burmese product?
@@satoamoy I am definitely not an expert - but from what I understand its mainly due to a few factors: Jadeite is more rare than nephrite, which makes it more valuable. Jadeite is a little harder too and so more scratch resistant. Also, Jadeite is not as ancient in Chinese culture but it still goes back hundreds of years. That is enough time to make Jadeite an important part of the culture and history.
We can offer u jade at very low prices
I have a question I would like to ask. From the lecture we know that Feicui is a multi crystallized compound. I also heard a theory says that the top cleaity Feicui with cold tone light is mainly sigle crystal. One of my friend told me that the theroy can not be true since Feicui has to be multi crystallized. However, based on my knowledge I believe all of Jadelite, omphacite and Kosmocholor can probability get into single crystal form in Lab.
As a result, can we really rule out the posibility of a single crystal form of Feicui, for instance single crystal form of Jadeite jade?
I like
Just wondering how this effects value and could these minute distinctions, when it comes to personal preferences, ultimately be used to manipulate the value & market here in US and across the globe?
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How can I provide a sample of a small green translucent stone that I found on a beach in Northern California? A local jewelry store identified the stone as nephrite.
Wow, lucky. You could sell that and make a fortune, imperial jade is very important to chinese
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Bom dia!
É um prazer enorme está mandando essa mensagem para vocês admiro muito o trabalho de vocês, tenho dois cursos de gemologia módulo 1 módulo 2, tenho pesquisado muito sobre a Jade e Jadeite, gostaria muito de mandar uma amostra para vocês pesquisarem para mim, aguardo resposta um grande abraço.
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Eu acho que tenho jadeita violeta
Goddamn that's an awesome unibrow
Hi Rui
If you happen to visit to Sacramento area pls visit to me. I started jadeite business when I was 15 in Yangon and went to Hpakant at the age of 19 and stayed there for 8 years. I am now 56 and living in U.S since 2000. I’m still in trade although I licdd we must of the time in U.S.
So like to meet you in person if you find time.
good sleeping pill
I sell raw jade and need buyers
Theterm 翡翠 appears much earlier then late-1700s: e.g.
1:[翡翠]珠被，烂齐光些。 【文件名:\03战国\楚辞.TXT 文章标题:楚辞 作者:】
2: 挂曲瓊些。[翡翠]珠被，爛齊光些。蒻阿拂壁，羅幬張些。纂組綺縞，結琦璜些。室中之... 【文件名:\03战国\楚辭補注（繁体字）.txt 文章标题: 作者:】
3:[翡翠]珠被，爛齊光些。 【文件名:\03战国\楚辭（繁体字）.txt 文章标题: 作者:】
4:...人菅，路人大竹，长沙鳖。其西鱼复，鼓锺，锺牛。蛮杨之翟。仓吾[翡翠]，[翡翠]者，所以取羽。其余皆可知。自古之政，南人至，众皆北向。 【文件名:\03战国\逸周书.TXT 文章标题:逸周书 作者:】
5:...卖其珠于郑者，为木兰之椟，薰以桂椒，缀以珠玉，饰以玫瑰，辑以[翡翠]。郑人买其椟而还其珠。此可谓善卖椟矣，未可谓善鬻珠也。今世之谈... 【文件名:\03战国\韩非子.txt 文章标题:韩非子 作者:】
6:...以清为浊，性命飞扬，皆乱以营，贞性漫烂，人失其情性。于是乃有[翡翠]犀象黼黻文章，以乱其目；刍豢黍梁，荆吴芬馨，以¤其口；钟鼓管箫... 【文件名:\04西汉\刘安 淮南子.TXT 文章标题:淮南子 作者:】
7:...北击辽水，东结朝鲜，中国内郡挽车而饷之。又利越之犀角、象齿、[翡翠]、珠玑。乃使尉屠睢发卒五十万为五军，一军塞¤城之领，一军守九疑... 【文件名:\04西汉\刘安 淮南子.TXT 文章标题:淮南子 作者:】
8:天地所包，阴阳所呕，雨露所濡，化生万物。瑶碧玉珠，[翡翠]玳瑁，文彩明朗，润泽若濡，摩而不玩，久而不渝，奚仲不能旅，鲁般... 【文件名:\04西汉\刘安 淮南子.TXT 文章标题:淮南子 作者:】
9:...南者，用犀角长九寸以上，若玳瑁甲一；郁林用象牙长三尺以上，若[翡翠]各二十，准以当金。（《续汉·礼仪志》上注补引丁孚《汉仪》曰：《... 【文件名:\05东汉\全汉文.txt 文章标题: 作者:】
10:...十年。下彻三泉合采金石，冶铜锢其内，漆涂其外，被以珠玉，饰以[翡翠]，中成观游，上成山林。为葬埋之侈至於此，使其后世曾不得蓬颗蔽冢... 【文件名:\05东汉\全汉文.txt 文章标题: 作者:】
11:...丽々若飞雪之重弗丽也。西望西山，山鹊野鸠，白鹭鹘桐，鹗鹞雕，[翡翠]ず＜谷隹＞，守狗戴胜。巢枝穴藏，被塘临谷。声音相闻，喙尾离属，... 【文件名:\05东汉\全汉文.txt 文章标题: 作者:】Source: ccl.pku.edu.cn:8080/ccl_corpus/
Many thanks, could you recommend an English language reference for it please? Very interesting
These are examples of the usage of the term "Fei Cui" in Chinese literatures which can be traced back to 476-221 BC@@RuiGalopimdeCarvalhoFGADGA