Cheers brother. Thanks for the video... rotating drum is the best way to go along with bacterial filters and the raised falls to oxygenate the water along with uv lights and RO systems . Tried other options and faced a lot of issues which made it hard to keep the balance. A tip all the koi lovers here: either built a tank and filter that’s of overcapacity for the numbers you want or understock the pond. NEVER OVER STOCK, NEVER COMPROMISE ON THE FILTER QUALITY & CAPACITY
Spent 20yrs faffing out with different filters, cloverleaf/nexus,never again, /sieve,bead filter,, now i have synergy 35 combi drum with backi shower with Sakura media, their both an absolute delight, best money I've ever spent on the pond.
Wow what a great collection. Beautiful showa. Nice and even pattern. Thanks for all the good info. Great explanations as well. I need to add to my filtration.
@@madaboutkoi As you should be happy with them. If you got them all at once it would take the dreaming and planning out of it. I add a few each year. I get a couple in the late fall early winter where they stay quarantined all winter then go into a separate pond for one year.. They get moved into one of two ponds after that. Mine are only domestics. I help the breeder cull in the summer and I get to pick a few for my collection as a thanks
Recently bought a QK25 combi from Queni Few teething problems to start with but now it’s hassle free. Submersible UV which is nice too, water quality is on its way up. Happy days
Thanks for showing clearly how the drum works. Intake goes through the middle of screen to outer outer part. Where are the intake and outlet on moving bed? Thanks
Thanks for the feedback Anthony. The moving bed inlet/intake is a 4” pipe at the drum outlet side. The pump you see on the video connected to the moving bed is the bed outlet.
Question? Is the water flowing into the bio material directly from the pond or is it coming from the drum filter? Also is the filter electrical hard wired or is it a standard plug? Thanks for the video.
Many thanks for that. Could you tell me, where does the waste from the drum filter go? Just straight down the drain or do you have another tank you need to pump it out from?
Ive been looking at drum filters to make cleaning more low maimtainence need the combi like the queni koi 25 the oase compact and draco drum they look intimidating to put together though and i'm pump fed
Really simple to install. They do pump and gravity versions. I run Queni drums. Fantastic bits of kit and i know theres good support at hand if i was to encounter any issues
@@madaboutkoi yeah mate not that i have one, they are a lot of money lol, i run a sieve but my mate has one and the uv stops the brown build up on the stainless steel mesh!!. It honestly looks like brand new inside and hes running a 55 watt uv in the drum and done away with his evo inline uv because it does a better job of killing algae!!
Enjoyed that video thanks for sharing, drum filters are a rarity in SA and if you can find them they are triple UK prices,so unfortunately not really an option, we mainly run old scholl filters which serve us well, a quick question ? What micron is the drum filter?
This sort of mechanical filter is not just for preventing suspended solids from getting into the biofilter. It is actually more important that it directly remove waste before it has a chance to get broken down by bacteria. If you are doing it right then the vast majority of the biochemical oxygen demand reduction is done by physical removal from contact with the water. This means that a continuously removing mechanical filter is a bit better than one with cleaning cycles especially if you have the intake designed to remove concentrated settled waste from the pond bottom.
Kevin the drum filter is expensive. Basically you need is the 300 micron sieve or wire mesh. It should be 300mm. I use it as a layer from first filter and last filter. The holes are super tiny that clear cleaning water flows through it. The only difference is just wash/rinse it once you see it full.
@@madaboutkoi I've noticed that people just lack the understanding that the pump isn't broke you just need to clean it.. Abit weird that. Almost as bad as the "came disassembled, sent back!" Reviews lol
Hi Simon You do realise the plastic that oase drums are made of isnt “UV safe”. Thats why oase dont provide an amalgam UV option. They are always housed units to stop the UV light attacking the plastic.
i got a great koipond however i can't get clear water ....reason i got 7 ducks in the pond too.....and that's a load of shit to deal with.... ps they are wild ducks so they come and go..... the ducks feed the koi btw lol .
Drums brake down occasionally and wear out over time, then are costly to fix. Not 'best' when it comes to that. Non mechanical never brakes down. You mention the nexus takes time to clean, less than 10 minutes, come on. Yes the water cleanliness is better, but the real question is, are you willing to pay for it ?
Hi Mirola73, I hear so many people say drums break down eventually and costly to fix. Ive yet to see a drum break down yet and if you buy a reputable system with good spare parts at hand then there shouldnt be an issue with any “breakdowns”. The principle of them is very basic. A motor, control panel, a cog and a shaft. They arent really that complex. We wiuldnt buy anything in this world is we were scared of them breaking down. Cars for instance, do you drive? Or do you take a scooter to work as it doesnt have a engine, electrics etc. Embrace the technology is what i say. The results are phenomenal compared to other forms of filtration. A nexus these days is £1000 plus new. Yet a basic drum can be picked up for similar money. The bio side can be made quite easily so the difference in outlay is marginal.
@@madaboutkoi Time will tell, my second hand nexus cost me 300 quid. Made some own upgrades to it increasing water cleanliness and auto fill, doing a sterling job.
Amazingly koi live and breed a lot faster in a mudpond strange how everyone boosts about there amazing grands worth of this and that lol brainwashed into spending 000000s they don't need to
@@madaboutkoi if they can thrive in a mudpond which is very cleary a lot murkier and without filtration why do people get told they have to have beads skimmers nexus etc etc
Because a man made pond isnt a mud pond…. The mud ponds in japan are constantly fed by fresh water. This ensures water “refreshed” constantly. Also scale wise they are vastly bigger than the average garden koi pond, therefore they dont get polluted by the koi waste as much as a garden pond. Koi are renowned for being “messy” and producing a lot of waste. This needs to be dealt with quickly in a garden pond to ensure water parameters and bad bacteria levels are kept at safe levels. You can keep koi on a budget using diy type filters but the negative side to this is they can be very laborious and difficult to maintain. The more you pay generally means the more simpler and less labour intensive the filtration becomes. So to answer you question yes you dont need to spend £1000’s on a pond…..but….. you do need to size your filtration correctly to your pond size and stocking levels. If you want to make life easier for yourself and sit back and enjoy the hobby then investing in a filtration system like a nexus or a drum will give you that. If you have a limited budget and are happy to get your hands dirty and be constantly squeezing out sponges and foams during peak season then a diy system may suit you better.
@@madaboutkoi I see and understand clearer now ty. I just put a 4inch t piece in bottom drain 1 pipe to filter other 1 goes straight to main garden drain controlled by vavles so when I notice waste I just drain a little bit top it back up and happy days oh a clean just a box standard pressure filter once a fortnight water remains crystal clear with no problems oh pond is 1000 gallon with 8 koi more than reccomened I know but what saved from them not needed extornatonate filters I bought a couple of extra fish
Yeah as i said it all comes down to what you want from the hobby. 1000g as you said is quite small for 8 fully koi but if they are small then you will get away with it. Sometimes doing it right from the start can save so much money in the future but again it comes down to budgets and your hobby goals. Hope all goes well with your setup this year 👍🏻
Cheers brother. Thanks for the video... rotating drum is the best way to go along with bacterial filters and the raised falls to oxygenate the water along with uv lights and RO systems . Tried other options and faced a lot of issues which made it hard to keep the balance.
A tip all the koi lovers here: either built a tank and filter that’s of overcapacity for the numbers you want or understock the pond.
NEVER OVER STOCK, NEVER COMPROMISE ON THE FILTER QUALITY & CAPACITY
Good advice there matey 👍🏻
Just building my pond now looking into all different types of filtration! Thanks for video my fellow north Easter 😂👍👍
Spent 20yrs faffing out with different filters, cloverleaf/nexus,never again, /sieve,bead filter,, now i have synergy 35 combi drum with backi shower with Sakura media, their both an absolute delight, best money I've ever spent on the pond.
Glad youre finally happy with your setup matey. 👍🏻👍🏻
Hope you and family are safe and well 👍🏻
Such a Superb learning lesson thank you so much
Nice fish. Great filtration and boss video lad 👍🐟
Cheers Andy 👍🏻
Nice video 👍🏻 and also a very good dutch made drum filter 😉
Wow what a great collection.
Beautiful showa. Nice and even pattern.
Thanks for all the good info. Great explanations as well.
I need to add to my filtration.
Cheers Chris. Took me a long time to build up my collection but in very happy with it now.
@@madaboutkoi
As you should be happy with them.
If you got them all at once it would take the dreaming and planning out of it.
I add a few each year. I get a couple in the late fall early winter where they stay quarantined all winter then go into a separate pond for one year.. They get moved into one of two ponds after that.
Mine are only domestics. I help the breeder cull in the summer and I get to pick a few for my collection as a thanks
Cheers Craig.
Agree with you. Drum all the way 🤜🤛
The Sarogoi is looking mint. I thought you had a dolphin for a minute!!!!
Bargain of 2019 👍
Cheers fella, yes shes a beaut. To think i hesitated for so long buying it!
Drums defo the way forward
MAD ABOUT KOI!
Good to see you back with some excellent content. Keep it coming brother.
Just found your channel, binge watching. Love it..
Thanks for the feedback Darrin! I need to get my finger out and upload some new content
@@madaboutkoi the roof vid has given me confidence to do mine. Cheers
Brilliant video thank you very much
The drum filter is the best mechanical filter you can have. Low maintenance and take out all the fish poop instantly.
Great set up craig water is pristine. 👍
Cheers fella 👍🏻👍🏻
@@madaboutkoi I'm getting a new shower on 20th. Undecided on what media to use ceramic wise. Could you advise mate?
Check out queni kois ceramic range. Very good stuff, free delivery and competitive price
@@madaboutkoi last question 😂 any idea how much I'd roughly need for a 3 tier 800mm wide shower?
Depth and height has a factor too mate. Im not sure tbh
I enjoyed watching this nice summary video of different koi pond filtrations. A Hanna meter review would be nice in future. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback Koirun 👍🏻
Recently bought a QK25 combi from Queni
Few teething problems to start with but now it’s hassle free. Submersible UV which is nice too, water quality is on its way up. Happy days
One day imma step my game up to koi, but for now I'll make due with my goldies.
Thanks for showing clearly how the drum works. Intake goes through the middle of screen to outer outer part. Where are the intake and outlet on moving bed? Thanks
Thanks for the feedback Anthony. The moving bed inlet/intake is a 4” pipe at the drum outlet side. The pump you see on the video connected to the moving bed is the bed outlet.
Excellent vid Craig 👌
Thanks Bobby. Appreciate the feedback 👍🏻
Thank you .. just come across ur channel.. definitely going to follow u .. best of luck 👍
Thanks Bash, appreciate the positive feedback
Love this, i offer sizes for residential aquariums. Cant think of any better filtration.
I have de CL65 (QK65) combi filter had it extended and the drum screen changed to 120mu
What size return pump do you use for return and is there only 1 return back to the pond
What is the shower filter for? Is it used all year round?
Question? Is the water flowing into the bio material directly from the pond or is it coming from the drum filter? Also is the filter electrical hard wired or is it a standard plug? Thanks for the video.
1) coming from the drum
2) hard wired
That's nice clean filtered water you have there. How is the state of the electric bills in October going to effect you with this system.
Great video, is there a certain way your media should tumble in your moving bed i.e slow or fast
Thanks Darren
You basically want a slow boil. Gently oxygenating the media and knocking off any dead/dying bacteria so new bacteria can take hold
Hi what aerator and air pump do you use thats inside the pond? Looks powerful
Aerated drain was bought from
Coastal koi. The air pump is 70lpm.
Many thanks for that. Could you tell me, where does the waste from the drum filter go? Just straight down the drain or do you have another tank you need to pump it out from?
Hi mate
It goes straight down the drain. Hope that helps 👍🏻
If I have this in the middle of my yard in filter pit where would the discharge them go?
Ive been looking at drum filters to make cleaning more low maimtainence need the combi like the queni koi 25 the oase compact and draco drum they look intimidating to put together though and i'm pump fed
Really simple to install. They do pump and gravity versions.
I run Queni drums. Fantastic bits of kit and i know theres good support at hand if i was to encounter any issues
@@madaboutkoi i do like the look of the queni koi combi bio i spoke to them today. My ponds only 6700 litres
some cracking koi there mate!! great setup!!. get yourself a uv for the drum!! it will keep the screen spotless ;)
Thanks buddy. Yes its something ive been meaning to sort out fella, ive heard they do a good job
@@madaboutkoi yeah mate not that i have one, they are a lot of money lol, i run a sieve but my mate has one and the uv stops the brown build up on the stainless steel mesh!!. It honestly looks like brand new inside and hes running a 55 watt uv in the drum and done away with his evo inline uv because it does a better job of killing algae!!
Stunning fish 😍
Thanks! 👍🏻. Hope you enjoyed the video
Great setup great video what did you say to use when you clean the rdf screen thanks Kevin
Thanks Julie. Its called brick acid
Check my other videos. Theres a drum cleaning video on there
@@madaboutkoi ok thanks will do
How deep is your pond? Looks lovely
Thanks! Its around 6ft matey.
Enjoyed that video thanks for sharing, drum filters are a rarity in SA and if you can find them they are triple UK prices,so unfortunately not really an option, we mainly run old scholl filters which serve us well, a quick question ? What micron is the drum filter?
Thanks for the feedback Nicholas. The drum i have has a 70 micron screen mesh. 👍🏻
Hope you and the family are safe and well in SA 👍🏻
@@madaboutkoi thanks for the feed back appreciated.
This sort of mechanical filter is not just for preventing suspended solids from getting into the biofilter. It is actually more important that it directly remove waste before it has a chance to get broken down by bacteria. If you are doing it right then the vast majority of the biochemical oxygen demand reduction is done by physical removal from contact with the water. This means that a continuously removing mechanical filter is a bit better than one with cleaning cycles especially if you have the intake designed to remove concentrated settled waste from the pond bottom.
Good bit of Narrating 👍 I'm thinking of changing my 220 with a drop in for another type of drum 😀
What's the pressure needed for the drum clean ??
Most drums use a high pressure pump matey fed using the pond water from the clean side of the drum
@@madaboutkoi
Just curious as the Draco now is fed directly from mains
Yes probably one of the only drum manufacturers that uses mains water
How many koi do u recommend for a 13ft pond and it is 1506 gallons?
Superbe !!!! Combien de volume d eau ?
l'étang fait 12000 litres
Great imfomation thankyou, got a 220 think would like to try drum filter. Did you make a protein skimmer or purchased one? Koi looking great 👍
Thanks Colin. Ive made one, you can see it in one of my videos. Hope all ok your end 👍🏻
@@madaboutkoi Yer koi loving this warm year went to Nishkikoi Warrington few weeks back 50 cm Sanke back to Whitley Bay 👍
impressive and expensive.. how i wish my filter setup is like this.
Kevin the drum filter is expensive. Basically you need is the 300 micron sieve or wire mesh. It should be 300mm. I use it as a layer from first filter and last filter. The holes are super tiny that clear cleaning water flows through it. The only difference is just wash/rinse it once you see it full.
👍👍👍👍👍 New subscriber pond looks brilliant
Thanks matey
@@madaboutkoi Fantastic alot of info in 1 upload
How much ceramic media do you have in the shower?
I honestly cant remember mate. Best to drop Queni koi a message. Its a midi shower
How's this brand of drum running still doing great?
Yes matey, running to perfection 👌🏻
@@madaboutkoi I've noticed that people just lack the understanding that the pump isn't broke you just need to clean it..
Abit weird that. Almost as bad as the "came disassembled, sent back!" Reviews lol
Where is the watt capacity required for this machine. Tq
Hi, the drum filter only runs 5amp according to the tag thats on the unit
What is the size of your pond
12000 litres
What thickness glass you use mate I’m in co durham
I run a Momotaro Bakki shower with 80 kg of Bacteria House Media and an OASE Drum
It works rather well
Some good advice 👍
How much did this set up cost you please mate, and did you install it yourself
Hi David
Apart from the fibreglass and blockwork i did everything else myself. Its not a cheap hobby! Haha
Whats the running cost for something like this
Something like what matey? A drum?
How big is the pond thanks
12000 litres 👍🏻
Only thing about these drums is they are welded together the OASE are ONE moulded unit so UV light will never degrade the joints
Hi Simon
You do realise the plastic that oase drums are made of isnt “UV safe”. Thats why oase dont provide an amalgam UV option. They are always housed units to stop the UV light attacking the plastic.
@@madaboutkoi you have deleted my reply why ?
I was thinking the same thing mate! Haha. Think youtube removes comments with websites on automatically mate. Feel free to post again
Ever want to get rid of that asagi, let me know please.
woW
I prefer profi with its direct drive system, no cogs to wear down,
Will you do a video on clean your screen, thanks
KOI POND maintenance - DRUM FILTER SCREEN clean using ACID! Step by step ESSENTIAL MUST WATCH! #
i got a great koipond however i can't get clear water ....reason i got 7 ducks in the pond too.....and that's a load of shit to deal with.... ps they are wild ducks so they come and go..... the ducks feed the koi btw lol .
Could you please give me the dimensions of your custom build biological media tank
Its circa 60cm x 1.2cm x 85cm
You have a great pond do you recommend the bakki shower?
@@paulprice8051 thanks! 🙏🏻
Yeah showers do help gas off the ammonia
No chance you're running 30,000 litres per hour. More like 10,000 per hour. Have you tested your flow?
Do you still believe this is the best filtration 3 years later?
Absolutely!
@@madaboutkoi this will be my first pond and your video helped a lot! I will watch the rest before I start ordering equipment. Thank you!
you do not talk about your circulation pump
What would you like to know matey?
This must cost a fortune to run.
Doesnt have to really if you plan the system correctly
I will never be able to setup one of them in million year. I have pondtec with UV
Its easier than you think matey 👍🏻
Drums brake down occasionally and wear out over time, then are costly to fix. Not 'best' when it comes to that.
Non mechanical never brakes down.
You mention the nexus takes time to clean, less than 10 minutes, come on.
Yes the water cleanliness is better, but the real question is, are you willing to pay for it ?
Hi Mirola73,
I hear so many people say drums break down eventually and costly to fix. Ive yet to see a drum break down yet and if you buy a reputable system with good spare parts at hand then there shouldnt be an issue with any “breakdowns”. The principle of them is very basic. A motor, control panel, a cog and a shaft. They arent really that complex.
We wiuldnt buy anything in this world is we were scared of them breaking down. Cars for instance, do you drive? Or do you take a scooter to work as it doesnt have a engine, electrics etc. Embrace the technology is what i say. The results are phenomenal compared to other forms of filtration.
A nexus these days is £1000 plus new. Yet a basic drum can be picked up for similar money. The bio side can be made quite easily so the difference in outlay is marginal.
@@madaboutkoi Time will tell, my second hand nexus cost me 300 quid. Made some own upgrades to it increasing water cleanliness and auto fill, doing a sterling job.
you really need to clean your equipment before posting your video lol, clean the windows from your pond, or the filter gear xD looks really dirty.
Amazingly koi live and breed a lot faster in a mudpond strange how everyone boosts about there amazing grands worth of this and that lol brainwashed into spending 000000s they don't need to
Sorry not sure where youre coming from here?
@@madaboutkoi if they can thrive in a mudpond which is very cleary a lot murkier and without filtration why do people get told they have to have beads skimmers nexus etc etc
Because a man made pond isnt a mud pond….
The mud ponds in japan are constantly fed by fresh water. This ensures water “refreshed” constantly. Also scale wise they are vastly bigger than the average garden koi pond, therefore they dont get polluted by the koi waste as much as a garden pond.
Koi are renowned for being “messy” and producing a lot of waste. This needs to be dealt with quickly in a garden pond to ensure water parameters and bad bacteria levels are kept at safe levels. You can keep koi on a budget using diy type filters but the negative side to this is they can be very laborious and difficult to maintain. The more you pay generally means the more simpler and less labour intensive the filtration becomes. So to answer you question yes you dont need to spend £1000’s on a pond…..but….. you do need to size your filtration correctly to your pond size and stocking levels. If you want to make life easier for yourself and sit back and enjoy the hobby then investing in a filtration system like a nexus or a drum will give you that. If you have a limited budget and are happy to get your hands dirty and be constantly squeezing out sponges and foams during peak season then a diy system may suit you better.
@@madaboutkoi I see and understand clearer now ty. I just put a 4inch t piece in bottom drain 1 pipe to filter other 1 goes straight to main garden drain controlled by vavles so when I notice waste I just drain a little bit top it back up and happy days oh a clean just a box standard pressure filter once a fortnight water remains crystal clear with no problems oh pond is 1000 gallon with 8 koi more than reccomened I know but what saved from them not needed extornatonate filters I bought a couple of extra fish
Yeah as i said it all comes down to what you want from the hobby. 1000g as you said is quite small for 8 fully koi but if they are small then you will get away with it. Sometimes doing it right from the start can save so much money in the future but again it comes down to budgets and your hobby goals.
Hope all goes well with your setup this year 👍🏻