"... while Kagami slowly dies inside and regrets ever befriending Marinette." XD So true. Seeing Mari push Kagami like a shopping cart around Paris is comedy GOLD. And I agree with you that Marinette is a walking meme/cringe machine.
@@ggmmdh Marinette meant well though, even if she didn’t handle herself properly. I think she was so insistant because she liked the idea of both Kagami being happy and her having other things to focus on with Adrien already being in an relationship.
@@ggmmdh True, Marinette should have been more considerate. I’m guessing that her thought process was that Kagami was trying to conceal her true feelings and she wanted to pry them out of her, but she wasn’t able to take a hint.
I honestly think Gabriel is trolling the heros sometimes. He's rich and a seclude so he literally plays with peoples lives to make them worse while he tries to figure out a new game plan
Come to think of it... Maybe he's doing it on purpose to exhaust the superheroes? If he makes them tired, then things will be a little easier for him when he finally comes up with a good plan. If the heroes get no rest, then they won't be ready for the final battle.
I felt Kagami telling Mari that Mari and Adrien were made for each other felt a bit out of the blue...like I get Kagami encouraging Mari to be honest about feelings since Kagami has seen the chemistry...but honestly Mari hasn't really realized her stalker tendncies are bad yet and that's got me some concern even if she wasn't thirsting over Adrien. honestly, I just wish we saw Adrien and Kagami be friends again....I LOVE the Mari Kagami friendship dynamic because it's so dang cute...but it feels like ALL the characters end up making Mari their favorite. what I liked most about Kagami was Mari wasn't her main focus...even as friends Adrien was...so I can't help but wish we got more Adrien Kagami friendship and there's some missing potential there.....part of me is glad the Kagami Adrien ship seems over...but a different part is upset because it implied that kagami's feelings WEREn't real for Adrien because she got over him so quickly....
it’s interesting that in Timetagger Bunnyx mentioned that LB and CN would have more powers one day. or at least Ladybug, i can’t remember too well. but the whole “Ladybug can create anything” charm does seem kinda rushed
Friendly reminder that CN blew up the MOON! Granted he was akumatized but that just boosted his innate abilities. His powers are just as expansive as LB's. He's just got the power of destruction while she has the power of creation. But also we already knew that LB was stronger than CN. Creation and Destruction are opposites and are NORMALLY equally as powerful, but the only reason CN isn't as good as LB (in terms of using their powers) is because of her mind and her creativity.
@LilT Marshall that's like comparing dynamite and a wrench in those bad advertisement games in which you have to fix a toilet. One is just more fit for the job, that doesn't mean it's more powerful. In a society where millions upon millions of people, fragile beings that die to anything more than a feather on the head live, power of destruction is dangerous AF. At the same time, creation is what makes us safe, protected, armed and what can heal us. CNs power is just much more difficult to use in a world city, it's less fit to safe people. That does nót mean that cat noir is less powerful than ladybug. If he wanted to, he could utterly destroy the entirety of Paris.
It actually was hinted up before in Reflecdoll when Adrien became Mr. Bug he asked for a mirror for the lucky charm and got it which proves what they learn that magic keeps evolving, the user holds the limits and there's many secrets to the miraculous than what the order of the guardians thought
@@Roshankumarmungle i don't ship Chloe with Luka at all i don't understand how people would, its wierd how one word about him being cute and people start shipping them. I can see him with either Zoé or Kagami in my opinion
@@shootingstarssel4182 I am not that into these ships kinda thing, but I observe such minute details keenly and in Miracle Queen... I think writer had wrote that line for some reason right...till queen banana Chloe had done enough and made herself centre for hatred...but post queen banana I think Chloe revival arc will start but slowly. You can also see Chloe in Guiltrip as well as in Optygami both are post queen banana and Chloe hadn't done anything to others like she used to do. Just saying lol....but, doesn't it strike you that Zoe came out of no where according to Miraculous timeline. And Like this show follow some sentiments or has some pattern..like opposite qualities attract similar repels...so, based on this Zoe and Luka are nice( Similar) right?? Still I would like to be proved wrong by writers cauz surprises will make us hyped ...and ladybugs reveal to alya was one of them😂. Have a great day 😉.
@@shootingstarssel4182 you said how you find it weird that people ship Lukhloe because of one word, but Zoe hasn’t uttered a word to Luka yet you ship them? Same goes to Kagami
@@semolinalibra ik ik but seeing their personalities and what they want its why i think they're good for each other. I know it a long shot and dont talk to each other much
Has everyone forgotten when future Alix revealed that the duo fought mr pigeon 72 times. So she had to but loved how she found a way to stop people from being hawk-moths victims.
Ladybug's miraculuous, being miraculuos of creation, actually makes sense as being infinitly powerfull in creating stuff. But, if producers will go this path, would also mean that Cat should be able to destroy everything with no reall limits. That would mean that in full potential Cat can become as Chat Blanc, with enough power to end the universe and he dodn't need akumatization to do that.
@@buzzifivegaming6005 I'm beginning to think that it just works much more slowly on living beings period. We've seen it slowly killing Gabriel over a much longer time period than any of the Myura/Shadowmoth sentimonsters have been around for, and it definitely does hurt sentimonsters.
I think that every time a miraculous is transferred to a new holder, everything about it resets, so each holder must start from the bottom essentially and re-discover stuff that’s already been known. I think the way that whole power up works is that if Marinette sets the limits, in theory, her powers are unlimited, but she may have to cross barriers and overcome obstacles to truly improve. However, I also wish that there was more buildup for this revelation.
Marinette wouldn't force kagami to do something like getting back together with her ex boyfriend if she really cared that much about her. If she cared that much like how you said, she'd sit her down and console her, not break into his film shoot and completely butcher it. I say that Marinette can't live with the fact that Kagami broke up with Adrien because that meant she has no other excuse to forget about her crush on adrien other than her secret identity. She also tried that hard to get them back together because her subconscious put adrien on such a high pedestal that she literally can't find any reason why Kagami would cut the ties with him. She almost doesn't want to admit to herself that Adrien is imperfect because she still has crush on him, she always did, just supressed it when she knew nothing was going to get better. And that's just a theory. A fIlM theory.
I think it was sweet that Marinette did not take no for an answer when she was trying to get kagami and Adrien back together,She has a big heart and didn’t want to see her friend hurt.
For me, it was kinda not cool of her. Kagami openly protested how uncomfortable she was being around Adrien, and Marinette flat out ignored her, and it felt like she was only there for her own benefit rather than Kagami's. And after all of that, Marinette didn't even apologize to her. I dunno, maybe because I'm an introvert, I relate to Kagami being forced into uncomfortable situations, but I found Marinette to be a little selfish in this episode.
@@emircanozad914 In my perspective, it seemed selfish. I know how it feels to be forced into uncomfortable situations and being ignored when you display how much the environment stresses you out. I am in no way pinning Marinette as the bad guy here, as all she intended was good. But unintentionally, she made the situation worse, and I could only imagine how embarrassed Kagami felt. How can I see Marinette in the right in this episode, when I all can do is feel bad for Kagami. I begin to see a theme in MLB, with friends that cross boundaries. Alya and Nino would interfere in Marinette's relationship with Adrien, despite her insisting on moving on, and Adrien only seeing Marinette as a friend. And most of Marinette's friends basically approved of her stalking behavior in S3. In this show, friends do things that THEY think is best for you, but don't bother to ask you what you think is best for yourself. Kagami told Marinette that she didn't want to meet Adrien, and Marinette severely crossed her boundaries in this episode, but true friends would listen to each other. And to make it worse, Marinette acted like a complete hypocrite in the new episode Crocoduel, and wanted to avoid Luka after their break up, when she herself had forced Kagami to meet up with her ex. That is all I have to say, sorry for the long paragraph.
@@randomcomment1286 If Marinette was acting selfish she would celebrate their break up then. As for Crocoduel I can kinda relate because she just doesn't want to see him, yet Alya and her friends tried to push her without her approval. So her friends were at fault.
I do have a theory With each consecutive re-akumatization the villain can be more powerful Look at it Stormy weather went from city wolf blizzard to apocalypse Gamer went from mech to game world pocket dimension Puppeteer…. Gained the ability to be useful when she has no dolls Repost went from sword (that’s it really sharp sword ) to teleport to instantly winning against any decently aged (like 12 + ) person Silencer stealing voices to being able to gain any knowledge he needs Mr Pigeon went from controlling normal birds to being able to go to space and then to turning humans into pigeons basically insta wining
Actually it was hinted 4 times. But of course miraculous fans have to be completely oblivious with actually lore! In sapoties this line happens: Master fu: Your power works in mysterious ways. I have told you everything I know. I think it is telling you that you will need help. And there was a scene in France but wasn’t in the other world episode of origin. Tikki: the lucky charm can give you an item but it is up to you to figure out what to do with it. It can be anything from a spoon to a traffic cone. Trust the power. And the two things that can’t be destroyed by plagg are the ladybug miraculous and her yo-yo. Those four things are the hint that Marinette is the one that controls the power but subconsciously understand the rules.
THANK YOU! Everyones acting like this came out of nowhere but we KNEW this was going to happen. I think the same goes for every miraculous. The full extent of the power lies within the user and what they can dream of to do with it.
The episode when a little part in Adrien realized Marinette’s probably not „just a friend“ I mean that ending scene with the callback to the Origin episode and Adrien hitting his head on the car and all was just perfect and meant as a start of something new
Just rewatched Gamer 2.0. If Mr. Pigeon worked the way Cat Noir made him in the game, there would be a reason that Shadow Moth used him over seventy times.
Also side note Pigeons are classified in the same family as doves, a common pigeon name being Rock Doves, so Bob Roth told the truth in spite of himself.
@@coolcubeartic6974 Actually when a holder becomes adult he/she will not de transform after using the power. But still only one usage at the same time.
Now that you mention the cheese thing, Natalie probably has worries that Adrian is constipated after all his cheese intake. Wouldn't it have sucked it Adrian was lactose intolerant then is given the one kwamii that requires asinine amounts of cheese to be happy? Natalie would probably assume he's trying to kill himself.
I feel like the reason Gabriel keeps akumatising Mr Pidgeon is specifically because it mentally exhausts the heroes. The worse their mental state is, the easier they are to fuck up.
I hope they end up together, also I agree about the protection from negative emotions, but the way I thought it worked was that it didn’t just that having something from the hero ladybug would psychologically make them feel safe
Can Shadow Moth undo the damage caused by the super villains he creates or is it just Ladybug’s power that can? If Mr Pigeon had succeeded on his 72nd time of being akumitized would Emilie had awoken to Gabriel and her new pigeon son?
I mean to be frank we KNOW Ladybug is the hero of creation. We've seen her alter timelines, replace and relocate people and monuments (the Eiffel Tower gets taken out daily at this point), create limitless items with her Lucky Charms.... it makes sense that her own innate creative abilities are limitless and overpowered and I feel like that's the case for all Miraculi. If Alya wanted she could probably create an illusion of the entire world, Adrien was already seen to be able to blow up the moon.... it all tracks for me.
Remember with Bunnix that they were so good at defeating Mr. Pigeon they had time to get ice cream afterwards. But doesn't this charm mean he won't be Monsieur Rat even though it was heavily hinted at?
I did enjoy the episode, but it felt like Marinette went to console kagami for her own sake to see Adrian. When someone is broken up with, you don't push them to see their ex when they person clearly doesn't want to. That is straight up mean. I would have liked for Marinette to hear out kagami over orange juice.
You were right about how the joke about Mari not taking no for an answer was over done, and that at the very least Ramier should have been sent to a psychologist. Also, why doesn't Ladybug make a charm for her and Chat Noir? It would prevent Chat Blanc.
Let's be honest, this type is one of the more healthy characters, he cares about pigeons and it can be weird, but on the other hand he's quite a positive person, Marinette will never be like him (Not even Adrien will), that's the paradox of this type, in the first season you think he's this weirdo, but the more you think about it and the more there is in this series, the more you like him, because he is not a stalker, nor does he molest other people, he is just himself and only Roger annoys because he feeds pigeons, I don't know why, but over time I started to like this type the most of all the characters in this series
I'm pretty sure Xavier loses his protection amulet some where down the line the future he also loses his obsession with pigeons and exchanges them for rats
The dumbest part about this episode is that there isn’t really much of a difference between a dove and a pigeon. I think the most common way they are differentiated is: Doves are wild animals (eg. mourning doves) and Pigeons are domesticated, but I’ve found that they’re typically interchangeable.
Release Doves which is likely what Gabriel wanted are usually referring to White homing pigeons, while the white doves magicians use are domesticated ringneck doves
The Wild vs Domestic thing is definitely not true, Band-tailed Pigeons and other members of its genus all referred to as pigeons are not domestic while domestic ringneck doves are called Barbary doves
I must have misremembered some detail here, but I could have sworn Marinette learned about the charms from the book. I figured that was why that scene of interpreting the book was placed in the beginning. If that wasn't the case, then yeah, the powerup feel totally out of place. But in my memory, it made sense because she'd been looking for a solution in the Ladybug pages with Alya.
I hate how they treated CN like a joke in this episode while RR is in the spotlight its supposed to be the miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir not miraculous tales of ladybug and rena rouge yeah i understand that RR will get more screentime but it still doesnt add much to her character shes just a plot device made to help ladybug superheroes are supposed to represent something while RR just represents completely nothing shes just there to help LB CN puts more trust in LB more then alya so i dont get why LB told her secret identity to alya instead of CN you can just keep your identitys hidden to anyone else but you and CN
This is random but the show should end with marrinette and adrien getting married having two kids who become the new ladybug and cat noir and would be a new sibling dynamic for a sequel
Marrinette and adrien shouldn’t give there children miraculous unless they earned it and by the time they have kids hawk moth will be defeated and regular emergencies will be solved by firefighters or policemen and stuff
Realistically I would have gave up on akumatizing Xavier Ramier after 6 or so times. If I can't think of anyone for Mr Pigeon for backup during one of his bad days I would not even bother.
I just realized something, normally the kwamiis need their miraculous to be visible, but in this episode Plagges still visible after Adriens turned into a pidgin and the ring disappeared, which means it still exists somewhere, is Gabe more competent than we all thought
ok guys is anyone else internally screaming cuz her new outfit is like animated half the time and like when she uses her powers other than that normal suit I am so mad
So if ladybug has limitless power of creation would that mean with enough training cotnoir could obliterate stuff entirely and not cause cracks to form
hi just a thought but Adrien has an important role right as his father is hawkmoth right so I think they are underusing him for some plot reveal probably his father like he gets pissed and follows him and finds out and I think our best boy chat is under used I think they have some plot reveal planned this might be common knowledge but eh who knows this is my reason our boy chat is being under used and secluded
You know it was kind of hinted at several times in the earlier seasons that ladybug and cat noir have additional powers and spells and when they are older they have superior powers. Initially I thought that they were reverring to those ridiculous costume powerups or maybe the fact that they can use their powers multiple times consecutively as adults but it was never specified so I don't think of it as a plot hole or plot contrivance. Furthermore just because it wasn't in the guardians spell book doesn't mean none of the previous ladybugs have demonstrated similar abilities, it just means it was never written down or maybe written down in a different book.
Am I the only one wondering how this is going to work? Cuz pigeon dude (I’m going to be calling him that) was supposed to become mr.rat, which was hinted at during the ep time breaker (I think that’s the name) so is that going to the trash or am I missing something?
I acc have a theory. Marinette and Adrien will not get akumatized, bc they themselves have lucku charms. The lucky charms that they gave eachother I think will protect them.
But in the 'Ladybug' Epsilode in Season 3 it didn't seem that Marinette would resist the akumatisation. And Cat Noir got akumatised into Cat Blanc even with her lucky charm. But that's a nice idea.
i love u smarty pants how do you get the video of the show? i wish i could edit miraculous! I wanna edit all the volpina/rena rouge scenes together, im p sure we've seen lila mock her images too
Wait wait wait….Marinette took kagami right? How the heck did tsurugi know where Marinette was going and how is she seeing kagami if shes blind? Afterall isnt that her story? Shes blind right? How is she watching kagami and How did she know the fruits were there ig the touch and hearing could but SHE LOOKED AT THEM
For some reason I always understood 'dogs' instead of 'doves'. Now the 'doves' make a lot more sense 😆. Maybe beacuse I'm german and didn't know the word 'dove' until now.
Miraculous Ladybug the show that will put Marinette in a dressing gown that she will likely never be seen wearing again. For a reason that makes no sense (she's wearing a super suit - all she'd do is make her dressing gown smell funny or set it on fire). The same show that can't be bothered to give Adrien any PJ's or Ondine some civilian clothes or put Marinette in a coat (a coat she already has a model for) - I guess repeating the same scene multiple times with Bob Roth saved them enough money to get a dressing gown out of it - and yet some how they still managed to fail to explain her new powers - well 'at all'. This is why I consider this one of the worst episodes of the season everything about it is a fail.
I think Shadow moths idea with Mr pigeon is not to win but to demoralize cat noir ladybug surely they can't work when they're exhausted I mean it's been 72 times when will it end
Poor mr. ramier, he almost lost his fav pigeon like i was so worried for that pigeon during resuscitation. Also was that fav pigeon also fiery phoenix from gamer 2.0?
Not me realizing Gabriel believes more in Mr. Pigeon than his own son
Damn, Spain without the s
OOH- THAT SHIT HURTS
Emotional Damage
@@YuriPlisetskyKinnie Spin?
@@15_heidune72 pain
Honestly, I feel like he just acumatizes people for fun at this point.
Ikr
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
oOoOoOOh m. pigeon is going through an emotional crisis again lemme go pull up my secret little flap-flap garden under my basement
My guy didn’t even care when he found out his son was cat noir
@@fanonymouse Yeah like the psycho he is
"... while Kagami slowly dies inside and regrets ever befriending Marinette." XD So true. Seeing Mari push Kagami like a shopping cart around Paris is comedy GOLD. And I agree with you that Marinette is a walking meme/cringe machine.
Hello can I have one cringe thanks marinette
Marinette was such a bad friend that episode I have no idea how kagami stayed so calm.
@@ggmmdh Marinette meant well though, even if she didn’t handle herself properly. I think she was so insistant because she liked the idea of both Kagami being happy and her having other things to focus on with Adrien already being in an relationship.
@@smartcookie1806 she did but kagami repeatedly said no and marinette continued ignoring what kagami had to say
@@ggmmdh True, Marinette should have been more considerate. I’m guessing that her thought process was that Kagami was trying to conceal her true feelings and she wanted to pry them out of her, but she wasn’t able to take a hint.
I honestly think Gabriel is trolling the heros sometimes. He's rich and a seclude so he literally plays with peoples lives to make them worse while he tries to figure out a new game plan
Come to think of it... Maybe he's doing it on purpose to exhaust the superheroes? If he makes them tired, then things will be a little easier for him when he finally comes up with a good plan. If the heroes get no rest, then they won't be ready for the final battle.
That's honestly the only theory that I've heard that actually makes sense....
besides him being a south brain
He's probably doing it so one day they let their guard down so much and maybe he can get the miraculous without killing ppl
Cloth cat who will win the fight batman or mr pigeon and why?
Mr pigeon. Even the greatest detective in the world can't deduce the weakness of every pigeon. There's too many of them.
I think the reason he keeps akumatizing mr pigeon it becomes better to have somebody akumatized then nobody
I think he's just drunk.
Tho you'd think in a city with over 2 million people, there'd be more variety in akuma, victims than just sad pigeon man
Agreed but our smarty pant won't get it +_+
Same
Ah yes a city as big as Paris has only one person that is upset
I felt Kagami telling Mari that Mari and Adrien were made for each other felt a bit out of the blue...like I get Kagami encouraging Mari to be honest about feelings since Kagami has seen the chemistry...but honestly Mari hasn't really realized her stalker tendncies are bad yet and that's got me some concern even if she wasn't thirsting over Adrien.
honestly, I just wish we saw Adrien and Kagami be friends again....I LOVE the Mari Kagami friendship dynamic because it's so dang cute...but it feels like ALL the characters end up making Mari their favorite. what I liked most about Kagami was Mari wasn't her main focus...even as friends Adrien was...so I can't help but wish we got more Adrien Kagami friendship and there's some missing potential there.....part of me is glad the Kagami Adrien ship seems over...but a different part is upset because it implied that kagami's feelings WEREn't real for Adrien because she got over him so quickly....
Wow
It took me legitimately 13 min to read this cause I have ADHD and the words have no space hurts me
Did you have a stroke?
@NamesMREpic LOLL
@@irzanputramaula2238 yeah sorry. my keyboard gets stuck alot. I'll go back to add spaces when I have time
it’s interesting that in Timetagger Bunnyx mentioned that LB and CN would have more powers one day. or at least Ladybug, i can’t remember too well. but the whole “Ladybug can create anything” charm does seem kinda rushed
Friendly reminder that CN blew up the MOON! Granted he was akumatized but that just boosted his innate abilities. His powers are just as expansive as LB's. He's just got the power of destruction while she has the power of creation. But also we already knew that LB was stronger than CN. Creation and Destruction are opposites and are NORMALLY equally as powerful, but the only reason CN isn't as good as LB (in terms of using their powers) is because of her mind and her creativity.
@LilT Marshall But I thought they were supposed to be equals
@LilT Marshall nah Marinette still canonically has trauma about it so it does have an effect 🤗
@LilT Marshall cos Cat Blanc was an alternate timeline
@LilT Marshall that's like comparing dynamite and a wrench in those bad advertisement games in which you have to fix a toilet. One is just more fit for the job, that doesn't mean it's more powerful. In a society where millions upon millions of people, fragile beings that die to anything more than a feather on the head live, power of destruction is dangerous AF. At the same time, creation is what makes us safe, protected, armed and what can heal us. CNs power is just much more difficult to use in a world city, it's less fit to safe people. That does nót mean that cat noir is less powerful than ladybug. If he wanted to, he could utterly destroy the entirety of Paris.
No one. Literally, no one.
Gabriel: PIGEON MAN FAIL 72 TIMES BUT WHATEVER!
Hawk moth: YOU WILL WON NEXT TIME MR PIGEON I WILL GET THE MIRACULOUSSSSS
It actually was hinted up before in Reflecdoll when Adrien became Mr. Bug he asked for a mirror for the lucky charm and got it which proves what they learn that magic keeps evolving, the user holds the limits and there's many secrets to the miraculous than what the order of the guardians thought
Finally one intelligent person🙂, after Zoe's entry these people aren't talking about LUKLOE 😂😂...wbu?
@@Roshankumarmungle i don't ship Chloe with Luka at all i don't understand how people would, its wierd how one word about him being cute and people start shipping them. I can see him with either Zoé or Kagami in my opinion
@@shootingstarssel4182 I am not that into these ships kinda thing, but I observe such minute details keenly and in Miracle Queen... I think writer had wrote that line for some reason right...till queen banana Chloe had done enough and made herself centre for hatred...but post queen banana I think Chloe revival arc will start but slowly. You can also see Chloe in Guiltrip as well as in Optygami both are post queen banana and Chloe hadn't done anything to others like she used to do. Just saying lol....but, doesn't it strike you that Zoe came out of no where according to Miraculous timeline. And Like this show follow some sentiments or has some pattern..like opposite qualities attract similar repels...so, based on this Zoe and Luka are nice( Similar) right?? Still I would like to be proved wrong by writers cauz surprises will make us hyped ...and ladybugs reveal to alya was one of them😂. Have a great day 😉.
@@shootingstarssel4182 you said how you find it weird that people ship Lukhloe because of one word, but Zoe hasn’t uttered a word to Luka yet you ship them? Same goes to Kagami
@@semolinalibra ik ik but seeing their personalities and what they want its why i think they're good for each other. I know it a long shot and dont talk to each other much
Marionette is the entire French Cia at this point with. Her weird stalking skills how has she not tracked down halkmoth
I just love it when Marrinette goes hilariously crazy and Alya and the Kwamis are all like 🫤 “girl you ok?”
I like the part when you were talking about cheese.
Plag 2.0?
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@@Annietomatosaucee You're welcome.
Has everyone forgotten when future Alix revealed that the duo fought mr pigeon 72 times. So she had to but loved how she found a way to stop people from being hawk-moths victims.
She didn't say that part
Fun fact. Common city pidgeons are also called rock doves, so tecnicly it's not a lie if they're rock doves and not regular white dove
Ladybug's miraculuous, being miraculuos of creation, actually makes sense as being infinitly powerfull in creating stuff. But, if producers will go this path, would also mean that Cat should be able to destroy everything with no reall limits. That would mean that in full potential Cat can become as Chat Blanc, with enough power to end the universe and he dodn't need akumatization to do that.
I doubt it i mean currently he can't even destroy sentimonsters
@@buzzifivegaming6005 I'm beginning to think that it just works much more slowly on living beings period. We've seen it slowly killing Gabriel over a much longer time period than any of the Myura/Shadowmoth sentimonsters have been around for, and it definitely does hurt sentimonsters.
Ladybug finally puts an end to Mr. Pigeon's regin.
9:40 actually in Mayura, not Catalyst, Lila spoke through the illusion of Hawkmoth when on the frozen Eiffel Tower
The episode was pretty good and I am so excited for the development of Marinette and Adrien for the rest of the season
Adrienette😍😍
@@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655 Ummmm no? why not just Marinette and Adrien themselves.
Adrien bellyflopping actually got a good laugh out of me.
He must be hurt severely
"Adrien has been revealed to be a disgusting, disgusting man." That got me hard 💀🤚
I think that every time a miraculous is transferred to a new holder, everything about it resets, so each holder must start from the bottom essentially and re-discover stuff that’s already been known.
I think the way that whole power up works is that if Marinette sets the limits, in theory, her powers are unlimited, but she may have to cross barriers and overcome obstacles to truly improve. However, I also wish that there was more buildup for this revelation.
"Using her true super power, being a massive stalker"
Marinette: I ain't no stalker
Her:💖👄💖 👦🏼
Marinette wouldn't force kagami to do something like getting back together with her ex boyfriend if she really cared that much about her. If she cared that much like how you said, she'd sit her down and console her, not break into his film shoot and completely butcher it. I say that Marinette can't live with the fact that Kagami broke up with Adrien because that meant she has no other excuse to forget about her crush on adrien other than her secret identity. She also tried that hard to get them back together because her subconscious put adrien on such a high pedestal that she literally can't find any reason why Kagami would cut the ties with him. She almost doesn't want to admit to herself that Adrien is imperfect because she still has crush on him, she always did, just supressed it when she knew nothing was going to get better. And that's just a theory. A fIlM theory.
So marinette has sociopathic tendencies and is very self centered plus
I think it was sweet that Marinette did not take no for an answer when she was trying to get kagami and Adrien back together,She has a big heart and didn’t want to see her friend hurt.
Yeah yeah we know. She could have talked her in private to hear how and why did they break up.
For me, it was kinda not cool of her. Kagami openly protested how uncomfortable she was being around Adrien, and Marinette flat out ignored her, and it felt like she was only there for her own benefit rather than Kagami's. And after all of that, Marinette didn't even apologize to her. I dunno, maybe because I'm an introvert, I relate to Kagami being forced into uncomfortable situations, but I found Marinette to be a little selfish in this episode.
@@randomcomment1286 What do you mean selfish? She tried to make Kagami up with Adrien again. How is that even selfish?
@@emircanozad914 In my perspective, it seemed selfish. I know how it feels to be forced into uncomfortable situations and being ignored when you display how much the environment stresses you out. I am in no way pinning Marinette as the bad guy here, as all she intended was good. But unintentionally, she made the situation worse, and I could only imagine how embarrassed Kagami felt. How can I see Marinette in the right in this episode, when I all can do is feel bad for Kagami. I begin to see a theme in MLB, with friends that cross boundaries. Alya and Nino would interfere in Marinette's relationship with Adrien, despite her insisting on moving on, and Adrien only seeing Marinette as a friend. And most of Marinette's friends basically approved of her stalking behavior in S3. In this show, friends do things that THEY think is best for you, but don't bother to ask you what you think is best for yourself. Kagami told Marinette that she didn't want to meet Adrien, and Marinette severely crossed her boundaries in this episode, but true friends would listen to each other. And to make it worse, Marinette acted like a complete hypocrite in the new episode Crocoduel, and wanted to avoid Luka after their break up, when she herself had forced Kagami to meet up with her ex. That is all I have to say, sorry for the long paragraph.
@@randomcomment1286 If Marinette was acting selfish she would celebrate their break up then. As for Crocoduel I can kinda relate because she just doesn't want to see him, yet Alya and her friends tried to push her without her approval. So her friends were at fault.
I do have a theory
With each consecutive re-akumatization the villain can be more powerful
Look at it
Stormy weather went from city wolf blizzard to apocalypse
Gamer went from mech to game world pocket dimension
Puppeteer…. Gained the ability to be useful when she has no dolls
Repost went from sword (that’s it really sharp sword ) to teleport to instantly winning against any decently aged (like 12 + ) person
Silencer stealing voices to being able to gain any knowledge he needs
Mr Pigeon went from controlling normal birds to being able to go to space and then to turning humans into pigeons basically insta wining
"Only one friend in Paris...What a sad sentence." ha...haha...yea that's um, totally *not* relatable...
Actually it was hinted 4 times. But of course miraculous fans have to be completely oblivious with actually lore!
In sapoties this line happens:
Master fu: Your power works in mysterious ways. I have told you everything I know. I think it is telling you that you will need help.
And there was a scene in France but wasn’t in the other world episode of origin.
Tikki: the lucky charm can give you an item but it is up to you to figure out what to do with it. It can be anything from a spoon to a traffic cone. Trust the power.
And the two things that can’t be destroyed by plagg are the ladybug miraculous and her yo-yo.
Those four things are the hint that Marinette is the one that controls the power but subconsciously understand the rules.
THANK YOU! Everyones acting like this came out of nowhere but we KNEW this was going to happen. I think the same goes for every miraculous. The full extent of the power lies within the user and what they can dream of to do with it.
@@jayfeather464 that's.... actually pretty a cool idea.
What made you think ladybug miraculous and yo-yo can't be destroyed?
I believe plagg cannot entirely destroy miraculouses either
Why shouldn't it be possible to cataclysm the Yoyo?
The episode when a little part in Adrien realized Marinette’s probably not „just a friend“
I mean that ending scene with the callback to the Origin episode and Adrien hitting his head on the car and all was just perfect and meant as a start of something new
9:38 Actually Volpina spoke for her illusion of hawk moth in the part 2 of the finale
4:50 gabriel looking stupind like that always gets me man XD
“..leaving her alone in the park, eating baked goods.” Shit, sounds good to me, man.
the idea of having a superpower to be able to stalk anyone on earth is honestly brilliant
Just rewatched Gamer 2.0. If Mr. Pigeon worked the way Cat Noir made him in the game, there would be a reason that Shadow Moth used him over seventy times.
Also side note Pigeons are classified in the same family as doves, a common pigeon name being Rock Doves, so Bob Roth told the truth in spite of himself.
question, if mr pigeon now has a charm that prevents him from becoming akumatized, how does he become monsieur rat in the future?
Maybe he will lose it or it gets stolen.
@@mintfly Maybe he won't be monsieur rat.
@@mintfly i don't think he will intentionally lose it if seems like he doesn't like being akumatized anyway
@@kittynoir6741 I meant that he will lose his charm without knowing, not intentionally.
@@mintfly that would be pretty difficult since he would probably keep it in a safe place since he doesn't like being akumatized
In timetagger they did say when they grow older they can get more powers
No they just said ond power
That just meant she could use her lucky charm multiple times without having detransform
@@coolcubeartic6974 Actually when a holder becomes adult he/she will not de transform after using the power. But still only one usage at the same time.
Smarty I’m gonna be honest, I preferred your old PFP. You new one ain’t bad, it’s just that the old on was straightforward and I liked it like that
Tho I will admit, the bunny on the new one looks… off
Now that you mention the cheese thing, Natalie probably has worries that Adrian is constipated after all his cheese intake. Wouldn't it have sucked it Adrian was lactose intolerant then is given the one kwamii that requires asinine amounts of cheese to be happy? Natalie would probably assume he's trying to kill himself.
The pigeon guy looks like he works as a clown, look at the stuff in his briefcase 5:23 I wonder why he isn't a Mr. clown instead? lol
"He has roses in his bag"
Me: as you do
I feel like the reason Gabriel keeps akumatising Mr Pidgeon is specifically because it mentally exhausts the heroes. The worse their mental state is, the easier they are to fuck up.
I hope they end up together, also I agree about the protection from negative emotions, but the way I thought it worked was that it didn’t just that having something from the hero ladybug would psychologically make them feel safe
I thought the spell book was like what currently know what the miraculous can do and that leaves the potential for more discoveries to be made
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, Gabe has done that 72 times.
Can Shadow Moth undo the damage caused by the super villains he creates or is it just Ladybug’s power that can?
If Mr Pigeon had succeeded on his 72nd time of being akumitized would Emilie had awoken to Gabriel and her new pigeon son?
I don't think Gabriel thought this far.
I mean to be frank we KNOW Ladybug is the hero of creation. We've seen her alter timelines, replace and relocate people and monuments (the Eiffel Tower gets taken out daily at this point), create limitless items with her Lucky Charms.... it makes sense that her own innate creative abilities are limitless and overpowered and I feel like that's the case for all Miraculi. If Alya wanted she could probably create an illusion of the entire world, Adrien was already seen to be able to blow up the moon.... it all tracks for me.
Remember with Bunnix that they were so good at defeating Mr. Pigeon they had time to get ice cream afterwards. But doesn't this charm mean he won't be Monsieur Rat even though it was heavily hinted at?
Off screen battle?
0:59 Best part of the video,I'm laughing just thinking about it
I found this Chanel what felt like a 3 minutes ago… it’s been almost 4 hours. These vids a epic, keep they up!
I did enjoy the episode, but it felt like Marinette went to console kagami for her own sake to see Adrian. When someone is broken up with, you don't push them to see their ex when they person clearly doesn't want to. That is straight up mean. I would have liked for Marinette to hear out kagami over orange juice.
Ladybug isn't overpowered, she just has the power of creation.
He skill acumatizes him because he’s a easy target
You were right about how the joke about Mari not taking no for an answer was over done, and that at the very least Ramier should have been sent to a psychologist.
Also, why doesn't Ladybug make a charm for her and Chat Noir? It would prevent Chat Blanc.
Let's be honest, this type is one of the more healthy characters, he cares about pigeons and it can be weird, but on the other hand he's quite a positive person, Marinette will never be like him (Not even Adrien will), that's the paradox of this type, in the first season you think he's this weirdo, but the more you think about it and the more there is in this series, the more you like him, because he is not a stalker, nor does he molest other people, he is just himself and only Roger annoys because he feeds pigeons, I don't know why, but over time I started to like this type the most of all the characters in this series
I used a translator and I didn't get the "A" in, and in Polish both words are almost the same, so that's where the word "B" came from 😆
Whatever happened to Mossier Rat...
I'm pretty sure Xavier loses his protection amulet some where down the line the future
he also loses his obsession with pigeons and exchanges them for rats
The dumbest part about this episode is that there isn’t really much of a difference between a dove and a pigeon. I think the most common way they are differentiated is: Doves are wild animals (eg. mourning doves) and Pigeons are domesticated, but I’ve found that they’re typically interchangeable.
Release Doves which is likely what Gabriel wanted are usually referring to White homing pigeons, while the white doves magicians use are domesticated ringneck doves
The Wild vs Domestic thing is definitely not true, Band-tailed Pigeons and other members of its genus all referred to as pigeons are not domestic while domestic ringneck doves are called Barbary doves
But the main question of the episode: why Marinette has swimsuit Kagami's size?
And why she would have two swimsuits in her stalker-bag
I must have misremembered some detail here, but I could have sworn Marinette learned about the charms from the book. I figured that was why that scene of interpreting the book was placed in the beginning. If that wasn't the case, then yeah, the powerup feel totally out of place. But in my memory, it made sense because she'd been looking for a solution in the Ladybug pages with Alya.
I hate how they treated CN like a joke in this episode while RR is in the spotlight
its supposed to be the miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir not miraculous tales of ladybug and rena rouge
yeah i understand that RR will get more screentime but it still doesnt add much to her character shes just a plot device made to help ladybug superheroes are supposed to represent something while RR just represents completely nothing shes just there to help LB
CN puts more trust in LB more then alya so i dont get why LB told her secret identity to alya instead of CN you can just keep your identitys hidden to anyone else but you and CN
When it comes to smelly soft cheeses, Camembert isn't even that smelly- Me, a cheese addict
Haha, HawMoth/ShadowMoth is just wasting his akumas..😄
You know what they say"72nd times the charm"
Doves are pigeons with white feathers.
This nugget of knowledge needs to be seen more.
This would likely mean Adrien is allergic to dove feathers to, what is Gabriel thinking
THANK YOU! I HAVE WAITED FOR THIS ❤️❤️❤️
Mr. Pigeon's real name is Xavier Ramier, or Mr. Ramier.
Love your videos!
I don’t understand why ladybug used the hand drill to make a hole for plag to come through plag can already go through walls.
This is random but the show should end with marrinette and adrien getting married having two kids who become the new ladybug and cat noir and would be a new sibling dynamic for a sequel
@Hania Kashif yesss
@Hania Kashif one of them could use the fox miraculous 😃
@@cosmicvictory7852 butterfly?
Marrinette and adrien shouldn’t give there children miraculous unless they earned it and by the time they have kids hawk moth will be defeated and regular emergencies will be solved by firefighters or policemen and stuff
You people are forgetting the most important thing!!! The hamster!!!
(😂😂😂😂😂😂)
stalker superpowers lmao
with great power comes great responsibility, you must only use your power for good... shipping XD
Adrien said he's allergic to feathers.. so wouldn't he be allergic to doves too and not just pigeons? 🤔 Miraculous, make it make sense 👏😂
Realistically I would have gave up on akumatizing Xavier Ramier after 6 or so times. If I can't think of anyone for Mr Pigeon for backup during one of his bad days I would not even bother.
6:55 anyone notice Rose’s bracelet is going through her wrist?
I just realized something, normally the kwamiis need their miraculous to be visible, but in this episode Plagges still visible after Adriens turned into a pidgin and the ring disappeared, which means it still exists somewhere, is Gabe more competent than we all thought
Is no one going to talk abt the scene in 0:21?! Like what the hell is that and in which episode?!
"Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?" - Vaas
Imagine if an Akuma Destroyer was something chat made
ok guys is anyone else internally screaming cuz her new outfit is like animated half the time and like when she uses her powers other than that normal suit I am so mad
So if ladybug has limitless power of creation would that mean with enough training cotnoir could obliterate stuff entirely and not cause cracks to form
shadow moth has faith in my boy, the pigeons will run supreme
Is no one gonna talk abt how cute 12:16 is?
The more the episode was going, the more interesting it got 😁
hi just a thought but Adrien has an important role right as his father is hawkmoth right so I think they are underusing him for some plot reveal probably his father like he gets pissed and follows him and finds out and I think our best boy chat is under used I think they have some plot reveal planned this might be common knowledge but eh who knows this is my reason our boy chat is being under used and secluded
I cannot believe that Gabriel didn’t just use the first clip 😆😆
This episode was a mess but a glorious mess👌
You know it was kind of hinted at several times in the earlier seasons that ladybug and cat noir have additional powers and spells and when they are older they have superior powers. Initially I thought that they were reverring to those ridiculous costume powerups or maybe the fact that they can use their powers multiple times consecutively as adults but it was never specified so I don't think of it as a plot hole or plot contrivance. Furthermore just because it wasn't in the guardians spell book doesn't mean none of the previous ladybugs have demonstrated similar abilities, it just means it was never written down or maybe written down in a different book.
Yup yup!!
does episode 5 exist?!?! I've heard its called psycomedian but cant find it anywhere. HELP PLEASE
Not released yet
Okay, but we forget the main point... doves ARE just pigeons.
Am I the only one wondering how this is going to work? Cuz pigeon dude (I’m going to be calling him that) was supposed to become mr.rat, which was hinted at during the ep time breaker (I think that’s the name) so is that going to the trash or am I missing something?
I acc have a theory. Marinette and Adrien will not get akumatized, bc they themselves have lucku charms. The lucky charms that they gave eachother I think will protect them.
But in the 'Ladybug' Epsilode in Season 3 it didn't seem that Marinette would resist the akumatisation.
And Cat Noir got akumatised into Cat Blanc even with her lucky charm.
But that's a nice idea.
i love u smarty pants
how do you get the video of the show? i wish i could edit miraculous! I wanna edit all the volpina/rena rouge scenes together, im p sure we've seen lila mock her images too
Wait wait wait….Marinette took kagami right? How the heck did tsurugi know where Marinette was going and how is she seeing kagami if shes blind? Afterall isnt that her story? Shes blind right? How is she watching kagami and How did she know the fruits were there ig the touch and hearing could but SHE LOOKED AT THEM
2:22 There is nothing wrong with only having one friend.I only have one and that is all I need
Actually, we have seen Volpina talk through the illusions in the finale
In the episode Mayura we see volpina talking throug an illusion of hawk moth
while watching the episode, I so badly wanted ladybug to keep her new costume and ditch the old one.
10:50 I thought the same! Like how did she know thats how to power up???
For some reason I always understood 'dogs' instead of 'doves'.
Now the 'doves' make a lot more sense 😆.
Maybe beacuse I'm german and didn't know the word 'dove' until now.
Miraculous Ladybug the show that will put Marinette in a dressing gown that she will likely never be seen wearing again. For a reason that makes no sense (she's wearing a super suit - all she'd do is make her dressing gown smell funny or set it on fire).
The same show that can't be bothered to give Adrien any PJ's or Ondine some civilian clothes or put Marinette in a coat (a coat she already has a model for) - I guess repeating the same scene multiple times with Bob Roth saved them enough money to get a dressing gown out of it - and yet some how they still managed to fail to explain her new powers - well 'at all'.
This is why I consider this one of the worst episodes of the season everything about it is a fail.
I think Shadow moths idea with Mr pigeon is not to win but to demoralize cat noir ladybug surely they can't work when they're exhausted I mean it's been 72 times when will it end
Poor mr. ramier, he almost lost his fav pigeon like i was so worried for that pigeon during resuscitation. Also was that fav pigeon also fiery phoenix from gamer 2.0?
So if Ladybug has infinite creation doesn't that mean Chat Noir has infinite destruction?
The dumbest part abt this episode is that doves and pigeons are the same species