The only time I ever came close to buying a new bike was in 93' and the year long wait killed that urge. With the number of low mileage 20 -30 year old bikes out there for less than $6k, I can't see any reason to buy new.
That's a valid point! With so many well-maintained older bikes available at a great price, it’s hard to justify buying new. Plus, there’s something special about a classic ride. Thank you for commenting! MB
We'll all be riding hemp fiber skate boards in the end. Glad I rode bikes in the good times. Open roads, gasoline powered big twins, 4 bangers, and triples. Loud and fun. Never looking over my shoulder for the esg gestapo.
Sounds like some great memories! It’s always nice to appreciate the good times, but who knows, the future might bring a new kind of fun on the road. Thank you for commenting! MB
Esg doesn't matter any more they going to go under if they keep making over priced junk. 30k for a bike then spend thousands more because the seat sucks the suspension sucks the engine runs to hot. You should have to spend another dime if ya already spent 30k on the bike already just to make it ride and run right
You make it sound like everything about the bike brand is junk but it’s not. Harley’s are like Chevy’s, Ford’s or Chrysler brands people like changing things on these products for comfort or performance?
I get what you saying. That’s what the CVO bikes are for. But then your bike is no different than anyone else’s. That’s what Harley offers. A bike you can build out yourself and is different than everyone else’s. That’s always been the motto. You don’t like that buy another brand. But Harley is far from a junk bike.
You're right, the base bike should be better for the price. But honestly, no matter what people get, they always plan to make upgrades to get it just how they want it. You can see a video on this subject at this link - th-cam.com/video/wV-2HBtg85Y/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
@DKCustomProducts exactly personalization is different making it your own is one thing. But having to replace stuff just to get it to run and ride and not break shouldn't need to be done on a new bike. And especially if that new bike is already costing 30k
Guess you haven’t ridden the new ones lately. Heritage means nothing if the current product isn’t up to what others are producing. Harley is overpriced for what you get. Indian,Honda,bmw all offer way more for your dollar. Only thing Harley really has is dealers (which are decreasing each yr) the “lifestyle” and clothes. Other than that not really much else other than this did up the price by $1750 for the ‘25 models.
Indian has had its ups and downs, just like all the bike companies, but they’re still going strong today. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
@@travism8412 not quite sure what the deal is. They’re made in the USA unlike some Harley’s now and I guess you could say Harley was saved by a bowling ball company but I don’t hold that against them.
The customers don’t care about HD’s ESG score. What we do care about is the confiscatory pricing structure of mew HD’s! JZ needs to stop subsidizing the Shorted Out Wire debacle with ICE bike sales.
You're right, pricing is definitely a big concern for many. Hopefully, Harley will listen to feedback and find a balance between value and innovation moving forward. Thank you for commenting! MB
Scores are generally not mandated by any single entity. However, they are increasingly being used and promoted by a variety of organizations and institutions. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance. Riding an old bike definitely has its own appeal. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
not sure what is wrong with companies that make changes that will have less impact on the environment, or social concerns. Society has been evolving since it began. things that impact the environment or social wellness have also been evolving. that is why we don't insulate with asbestos and have seatbelts. now as far as the score goes, if you don't monitor or track it, how do you know how you are doing? more importantly, how do you tell people that want to invest in you how you are doing? i don't invest in companies that employ child labour or have bad environmental records. that is why i wouldn't buy their products, not because they have a score
Interesting perspective. While monitoring these factors can be important for some, others may prefer a focus on product quality and performance. It’s definitely a balance between values and what each individual prioritizes. Thank you for commenting! MB
Got my 04 roadking and rode shovels. I’m sick and tired of companies bending over backwards to cater to the few and insulting the people that kept you afloat when you were going bankrupt!!!!!
Totally understand your frustration. It’s tough when loyal customers feel overlooked. Hopefully, companies will remember who got them through the tough times. Thank you for commenting! MB
I think there is a difference between ESG and DEI. Harley was going the woke route but backed off and supposedly are done with the woke crap. I think this is what many were concerned with. Both my bikes were made before Harley became woke so I didn’t do anything, it’s kinda like an old saying I used to hear “cut your nose off to spite your face “ I’m keeping my Harley’s.
DEI is a component of ESG, it is part of the "S" for Social, and DEI is a critical factor in the Social grading in the ESG score. It’s good to hear you're sticking with your Harleys and enjoying them! I love my Harley and won't be getting rid of it. Thank you for commenting! MB
I understand supporting Harley Davidson and I also understand switching to another brand for better quality and price. Real change involving a particular company or government always begins with being respectful to others while requiring respect in return. Companies will follow where you put your dollar and government will follow where you place your vote.
Absolutely, respect is key in any change. It’s true that both companies and governments respond to where we direct our support, whether it’s through purchases or votes. Well said! MB
That’s awesome! Riding a classic like that for so long really shows your love for the bike. There’s something special about those older rides that can’t be beat. Thank you for commenting! MB
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
Totally get it, there's nothing like that classic Harley sound. The good news is, there are ways to bring that iconic roar back to newer bikes with some aftermarket mods. It’s all about keeping that signature Harley feel! Here is a video that you may find interesting/useful - th-cam.com/video/-lyhmTsno8E/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts That's the problem aftermarket... You pay 30 grand and you still have to spend more to make is sound and preform different, New pipes 1000. dollars, dyno so new pipes work as designed another grand, nope I'll keep my old (real) Harley's thank you.
I prefer a older bike it’s feels good , sounds good when I’m open on the road, I’m not rich just a blue collar worker so when the rich snobs trade in there upgrade bikes we can buy that older bike for a lot less ✌🏽and change it up for our style and ride away 🇺🇸. Ride safe out there ✌🏽
Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to new vs. older models, and it’s great that you find value in the classic ones. Ultimately, it’s about what fits your style and needs. Thank you for commenting! MB
I ride vintage. Always have, Always will. Doesn't matter what brand. I will take CV carbs over fuel injection any day. I dont want a cat or O2 sensor on my exhaust. No ABS neither. I've been riding for over 45 years and I trust muscle memory over electronic crap made in Mexico or China any day. New vehicles just suck. Even 18 wheelers. Just junk.
Sounds like you’ve got a lot of experience and know exactly what works for you. There’s definitely something to be said for that classic, hands-on feel and simplicity in riding. Thank you for commenting! MB
Different people have different priorities, and that's what makes everyone’s perspective unique. We are just trying to spread awareness! Thank you for commenting! MB
Back when ........... Hardly Dependable was an AMERICAN co. I understood pride in the brand now they have Japanese electronics Japanese fuel management bottom end Japanese suspension i WAS a stockholder as well as owning 3 bikes. Now the pride is gone allot of the people riding ( trailering) Harley's now are the kind of wannabe's we beat up for tryin to hang around H.D. is absolutely pointless in my world now. 30 years ago i wouldn't have believed it
Sounds like you've seen a lot of changes over the years. It's tough when a brand you once trusted shifts in ways you don't agree with. Hopefully, the spirit of what made Harley great can still be found in the ride, even if things have changed. I love my Harley!!! Thank you for commenting! MB
My newest Harley is a '99.. my newest Honda is '82, Yamaha '84... If it doesn't have a carb and doesn't have a computer I will ride it.. Harley has been junk for years in my eyes.. I have been riding them for 40 years
Sounds like you’ve got a real appreciation for the classics! We respect your perspective and the loyalty to the bikes that work for you. Devin has a 2023.5 Street Glide and it is an awesome bike. One mans junk is another mans treasure!!! Thank you for commenting! MB
Definitely a big shift in how vehicles are being designed. It will be interesting to see how this year goes and if any big changes are made for the better! Thank you for commenting! MB
you mean like making trump seem normal when he is bat shit crazy? Ya'll have lost you damn minds if you had them ever. You are being fed BS to make you mad so you are easier to control. Keeping people upset and at odds with each other means those who are screwing you remain in power while you are mad at the wrong people. Pretty slick and so many of you suck it up like free beer.
People LOVE to hate on Harley-Davidson. I sort of get it, just the same as people hate on GM, FORD, Chrysler, The Chiefs, Glock, White People, New Jersey, et.al...its all just nonsense. Yes, it is overpriced...what isnt? Yes, it should have this and that...but you gotta pay extra for cheese on a pizza that everyone agrees should have more cheese. I LOVE my Bike. I love all Bikes. But mine is a Harley. I always wanted one...then I bought another. I really wish I was not worried about the thing grenading or worse, the kid that throws parts at it under my extended warranty. I used to ride a Honda. Loved it. I would love a Goldwing...but its just not a Harley. Perhaps owning one bike is like owning one shoe.
Sounds like you’ve got a real passion for your Harley, and that’s what it’s all about! Every bike has its own appeal, and it's great that you found the one that speaks to you. I love my Harley too! Thank you for commenting! MB
Why? Why MUST a company have a good ESG score? Why not just make a good product at a reasonable price? Just hire the best people you can regardless of what their attribute is that contributes to representation of categories that mean nothing. Why should anyone care what's showing on or in a person if the knowledge and skills they have make a better product? This is insanity. If I need surgery I don't care if the best surgeon I can hire is a green turtleman from Mongolia who thinks cats are sentient. Nor do I care if it's a Nordic Buddhist Chad with an ego to match Oprah. I want the best I can get. I'm blessed to have 3 Harleys in my garage so well built, I fully expect to pass them on to my heirs in the same perfect working condition. It's about the bike, not the color or creed of the engineer who designs it! Harley needs someone who can fix the rotting fork problem, not a blue haired Coptic socialist barber who can't understand what metal polish is for just to fill a DEI check box.
Totally get your point. The "WHY" is explained in this video- th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html At the end of the day, it’s all about the product and the quality of work, not the labels. People want a great bike, and that should always be the focus. Thank you for commenting! MB
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
You should care. Do you want a bike designed (including the safety features) by the best engineer or by an engineer given the job for reason not based on their skills and qualifications?
The only time I ever came close to buying a new bike was in 93' and the year long wait killed that urge.
With the number of low mileage 20 -30 year old bikes out there for less than $6k, I can't see any reason to buy new.
That's a valid point! With so many well-maintained older bikes available at a great price, it’s hard to justify buying new. Plus, there’s something special about a classic ride. Thank you for commenting! MB
We'll all be riding hemp fiber skate boards in the end. Glad I rode bikes in the good times. Open roads, gasoline powered big twins, 4 bangers, and triples. Loud and fun. Never looking over my shoulder for the esg gestapo.
Sounds like some great memories! It’s always nice to appreciate the good times, but who knows, the future might bring a new kind of fun on the road. Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts No disrespect, but I doubt it.
Esg doesn't matter any more they going to go under if they keep making over priced junk. 30k for a bike then spend thousands more because the seat sucks the suspension sucks the engine runs to hot. You should have to spend another dime if ya already spent 30k on the bike already just to make it ride and run right
You make it sound like everything about the bike brand is junk but it’s not. Harley’s are like Chevy’s, Ford’s or Chrysler brands people like changing things on these products for comfort or performance?
@ Alan, shouldn’t the bike already come with the features you described @ 30K?
I get what you saying. That’s what the CVO bikes are for. But then your bike is no different than anyone else’s. That’s what Harley offers. A bike you can build out yourself and is different than everyone else’s. That’s always been the motto. You don’t like that buy another brand. But Harley is far from a junk bike.
You're right, the base bike should be better for the price. But honestly, no matter what people get, they always plan to make upgrades to get it just how they want it. You can see a video on this subject at this link - th-cam.com/video/wV-2HBtg85Y/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
@DKCustomProducts exactly personalization is different making it your own is one thing. But having to replace stuff just to get it to run and ride and not break shouldn't need to be done on a new bike. And especially if that new bike is already costing 30k
The title said this video would explain why. There's no why here.
Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Indian died years ago, people are kidding themselves@@
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Guess you haven’t ridden the new ones lately. Heritage means nothing if the current product isn’t up to what others are producing. Harley is overpriced for what you get. Indian,Honda,bmw all offer way more for your dollar. Only thing Harley really has is dealers (which are decreasing each yr) the “lifestyle” and clothes. Other than that not really much else other than this did up the price by $1750 for the ‘25 models.
Indian has had its ups and downs, just like all the bike companies, but they’re still going strong today. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
They prefer to be called Polaris Americans
@@travism8412 not quite sure what the deal is. They’re made in the USA unlike some Harley’s now and I guess you could say Harley was saved by a bowling ball company but I don’t hold that against them.
The customers don’t care about HD’s ESG score. What we do care about is the confiscatory pricing structure of mew HD’s! JZ needs to stop subsidizing the Shorted Out Wire debacle with ICE bike sales.
You're right, pricing is definitely a big concern for many. Hopefully, Harley will listen to feedback and find a balance between value and innovation moving forward. Thank you for commenting! MB
Who mandates they have a good ESG score?
Scores are generally not mandated by any single entity. However, they are increasingly being used and promoted by a variety of organizations and institutions. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
What is esg? Why i ride an old bike
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance. Riding an old bike definitely has its own appeal. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts It means freedom to ride what you want want is toast.
not sure what is wrong with companies that make changes that will have less impact on the environment, or social concerns. Society has been evolving since it began. things that impact the environment or social wellness have also been evolving. that is why we don't insulate with asbestos and have seatbelts. now as far as the score goes, if you don't monitor or track it, how do you know how you are doing? more importantly, how do you tell people that want to invest in you how you are doing? i don't invest in companies that employ child labour or have bad environmental records. that is why i wouldn't buy their products, not because they have a score
Interesting perspective. While monitoring these factors can be important for some, others may prefer a focus on product quality and performance. It’s definitely a balance between values and what each individual prioritizes. Thank you for commenting! MB
New Bikes Suck Anyways !
Everyone has their own preferences, but I get what you mean, nothing beats the feel of an older bike sometimes! Thank you for commenting! MB
Got my 04 roadking and rode shovels. I’m sick and tired of companies bending over backwards to cater to the few and insulting the people that kept you afloat when you were going bankrupt!!!!!
Totally understand your frustration. It’s tough when loyal customers feel overlooked. Hopefully, companies will remember who got them through the tough times. Thank you for commenting! MB
My Harley is just collecting dust.
My triumph on the other hand is getting lots of wind time.
What’s keeping your Harley off the road? MB
@@DKCustomProducts its a 06 i bought new. needed to change things up! my Bonneville is funner to ride.
I'll keep my old bike, new bikes are shit, all of them.
Old bikes definitely have their charm, and for some, nothing beats that classic ride. Thank you for commenting! MB
I think there is a difference between ESG and DEI. Harley was going the woke route but backed off and supposedly are done with the woke crap. I think this is what many were concerned with. Both my bikes were made before Harley became woke so I didn’t do anything, it’s kinda like an old saying I used to hear “cut your nose off to spite your face “ I’m keeping my Harley’s.
DEI is a component of ESG, it is part of the "S" for Social, and DEI is a critical factor in the Social grading in the ESG score.
It’s good to hear you're sticking with your Harleys and enjoying them! I love my Harley and won't be getting rid of it. Thank you for commenting! MB
I understand supporting Harley Davidson and I also understand switching to another brand for better quality and price. Real change involving a particular company or government always begins with being respectful to others while requiring respect in return. Companies will follow where you put your dollar and government will follow where you place your vote.
Absolutely, respect is key in any change. It’s true that both companies and governments respond to where we direct our support, whether it’s through purchases or votes. Well said! MB
I have rode my 1948 Harley for almost 40 years F a new Harley
That’s awesome! Riding a classic like that for so long really shows your love for the bike. There’s something special about those older rides that can’t be beat. Thank you for commenting! MB
pardon me but. what does ESG values stand for?
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Thank you!
You are welcome! Thank you for commenting! MB
Thanks for sharing
You're welcome! I hope you found the video informative. 😎👍 MB
ESG? Oh you mean the Electra Shovel Glide. Love em.
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I'm glad I still have my 06 and 07 Harleys I'll just keep riding those seen and rode the new stuff not impressed. They sound like hondas now.
Totally get it, there's nothing like that classic Harley sound. The good news is, there are ways to bring that iconic roar back to newer bikes with some aftermarket mods. It’s all about keeping that signature Harley feel! Here is a video that you may find interesting/useful - th-cam.com/video/-lyhmTsno8E/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts That's the problem aftermarket... You pay 30 grand and you still have to spend more to make is sound and preform different, New pipes 1000. dollars, dyno so new pipes work as designed another grand, nope I'll keep my old (real) Harley's thank you.
I prefer a older bike it’s feels good , sounds good when I’m open on the road, I’m not rich just a blue collar worker so when the rich snobs trade in there upgrade bikes we can buy that older bike for a lot less ✌🏽and change it up for our style and ride away 🇺🇸. Ride safe out there ✌🏽
Sometimes there is nothing better than finding a good used bike! Thank you for commenting! MB
Truth !!👍👍
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Easy solution, don’t buy a brand new bike buy an older one. The new ones are a rip off anyways, and they don’t have as much character in my opinion.
Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to new vs. older models, and it’s great that you find value in the classic ones. Ultimately, it’s about what fits your style and needs. Thank you for commenting! MB
I ride vintage. Always have, Always will. Doesn't matter what brand. I will take CV carbs over fuel injection any day. I dont want a cat or O2 sensor on my exhaust. No ABS neither. I've been riding for over 45 years and I trust muscle memory over electronic crap made in Mexico or China any day. New vehicles just suck. Even 18 wheelers. Just junk.
Sounds like you’ve got a lot of experience and know exactly what works for you. There’s definitely something to be said for that classic, hands-on feel and simplicity in riding. Thank you for commenting! MB
It's definitely not important to me. You guys got to grow some balls.
Different people have different priorities, and that's what makes everyone’s perspective unique. We are just trying to spread awareness! Thank you for commenting! MB
Back when ...........
Hardly Dependable was an AMERICAN co. I understood pride in the brand now they have Japanese electronics Japanese fuel management bottom end Japanese suspension i WAS a stockholder as well as owning 3 bikes. Now the pride is gone allot of the people riding ( trailering) Harley's now are the kind of wannabe's we beat up for tryin to hang around H.D. is absolutely pointless in my world now. 30 years ago i wouldn't have believed it
Sounds like you've seen a lot of changes over the years. It's tough when a brand you once trusted shifts in ways you don't agree with. Hopefully, the spirit of what made Harley great can still be found in the ride, even if things have changed. I love my Harley!!! Thank you for commenting! MB
My newest Harley is a '99.. my newest Honda is '82, Yamaha '84... If it doesn't have a carb and doesn't have a computer I will ride it.. Harley has been junk for years in my eyes.. I have been riding them for 40 years
Sounds like you’ve got a real appreciation for the classics! We respect your perspective and the loyalty to the bikes that work for you. Devin has a 2023.5 Street Glide and it is an awesome bike. One mans junk is another mans treasure!!! Thank you for commenting! MB
All part of normalizing the abnormal.
Definitely a big shift in how vehicles are being designed. It will be interesting to see how this year goes and if any big changes are made for the better! Thank you for commenting! MB
you mean like making trump seem normal when he is bat shit crazy? Ya'll have lost you damn minds if you had them ever. You are being fed BS to make you mad so you are easier to control. Keeping people upset and at odds with each other means those who are screwing you remain in power while you are mad at the wrong people. Pretty slick and so many of you suck it up like free beer.
People LOVE to hate on Harley-Davidson. I sort of get it, just the same as people hate on GM, FORD, Chrysler, The Chiefs, Glock, White People, New Jersey, et.al...its all just nonsense. Yes, it is overpriced...what isnt? Yes, it should have this and that...but you gotta pay extra for cheese on a pizza that everyone agrees should have more cheese. I LOVE my Bike. I love all Bikes. But mine is a Harley. I always wanted one...then I bought another. I really wish I was not worried about the thing grenading or worse, the kid that throws parts at it under my extended warranty. I used to ride a Honda. Loved it. I would love a Goldwing...but its just not a Harley. Perhaps owning one bike is like owning one shoe.
Sounds like you’ve got a real passion for your Harley, and that’s what it’s all about! Every bike has its own appeal, and it's great that you found the one that speaks to you. I love my Harley too! Thank you for commenting! MB
D why are you speaking French in this video?
French? It was filmed in English and when I play it, it is in English? MB
Indian went woke way before Harley
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Please.
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Why? Why MUST a company have a good ESG score? Why not just make a good product at a reasonable price? Just hire the best people you can regardless of what their attribute is that contributes to representation of categories that mean nothing. Why should anyone care what's showing on or in a person if the knowledge and skills they have make a better product? This is insanity. If I need surgery I don't care if the best surgeon I can hire is a green turtleman from Mongolia who thinks cats are sentient. Nor do I care if it's a Nordic Buddhist Chad with an ego to match Oprah. I want the best I can get. I'm blessed to have 3 Harleys in my garage so well built, I fully expect to pass them on to my heirs in the same perfect working condition. It's about the bike, not the color or creed of the engineer who designs it! Harley needs someone who can fix the rotting fork problem, not a blue haired Coptic socialist barber who can't understand what metal polish is for just to fill a DEI check box.
Totally get your point. The "WHY" is explained in this video-
th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
At the end of the day, it’s all about the product and the quality of work, not the labels. People want a great bike, and that should always be the focus. Thank you for commenting! MB
What the heck is esg? I know that DEI stands for Didn't Earn It but have not heard of esg. I heard of msg.
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance. Here is a link to the full video that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/0WTc-BMdTfg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
ESG is BS.
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Who cares? If you want a new bike, buy one.
Agreed, but some people do care and end up switching bikes, only to find themselves in the same situation. Thanks for commenting! MB
You should care. Do you want a bike designed (including the safety features) by the best engineer or by an engineer given the job for reason not based on their skills and qualifications?
I'm pretty sure Royal Enfields, being from a Hindu country, don't have DEI or ESG scores.