I applaud mayflash for trying to find a way to integrate haptics into a button box dunno if the implementation works, but I think it's worth celebrating innovative ideas.
I love my F500 Flat, i also want to say that Mayflash employees are very friendly and react fast. When the F500 Flat debuted it wasn't available for México and when i told that problem on their youtube channel they sended units for being sold only on Amazon México. Very cool service. I also tested it with my Xbox 360 because i wanted to feel how is playing Tekken 6 on a leverless and it worked perfectly. My future plans with it include put custom art and put some Qanba Gravity KS buttons
i've had the F500 stick version since DBFZ came out and it's still in great condition, its a very affordable and durable brand, plus also very easy to change pieces
The Mayflash MagicBoots PS4 V1.1 is a super popular choice for a lot of PS4/PS5 players as the USB dongle/authenticator is significantly shorter than the Magic-S Ultimate and Wingman FGC. People choose the USB passthrough port over traditional converter on their Mayflash or Haute42/GP2040-CE powered PCB because there's less input lag as converters have to convert whatever input's going through while the USB passthrough port doesn't...then again, Endingwalker just proved that the Wingman FGC doesn't have noticeable input lag as he uses a Xbox pad + Wignman FGC and finished in Top 6 of SF6 from EVO 2024. (monitor input lag is more noticeable than controller input lag).
Thanks for bringing this up. I use a Haute 42 leverless with a Magic-S Ultimate via USB-Passthrough with PS4. I would like to try out a Mayflash Arcade Stick but can't find any useful info if the Magic-S Ultimate provides authentication for those too when connected to a PS4. Mayflash only refers to the PS5 for that option. Do you have any experience here?
@@marcelhindrichs6528 The idea behind stuff like the Magic-S Ultimate, Wingman FGC and ect is that they just make your peripheral recognized as a licensed PS4 arcade stick for PS5 fighting game legacy support. This is pretty much what NihongoGamer mentioned about these sticks including the F700, they're not true PS5 native but work on PS5 fighting games with Legacy Support feature. DBFZ PS5 Rollback Netcode patch, The Rumble Fish 2 and Breakers The Collection do not have legacy support. So pretty much your Haute42 with the Magic-S Ultimate is recognized as a licensed PS4 arcade stick as PS5 games aren't compatible with the DualShock 4 or any licensed aftermarket PS4 pads...interestingly enough, my F500 Flat with a PS4 Hori FPS+ controller plugged in is recognized as legacy support for PS5 fighting games but the controller itself doesn't work when plugged into the PS5 lol
Mine just shipped. Thanks young lad. I'm just getting into fight games and with my old arthritic wrists, this seems like money well spent, pretty much a no brainer IMO.
I watched this review when it came out but decided to order the Haute42 R16 instead. Then my friend got an F500 flat and was gushing about it. I got my R16 in and while I like it, I dont love it since I already have a T16. Anyways my friend gushing about it made me say "screw it I guess I am buying a third leverless this month" and I ordered it. It was delivered overnight from amazon. I have to say this stick for $90 is incredible. If you are debating between the T16, R16, and F500 flat go with the F500. If you dont want the thickness go with the T16 but the thickness is oddly a benefit as it makes room for cable storage and while playing with it in your lap the extra height makes it more comfortable. The T16 is great for desk play though. The R16 is also really nice and you can't go wrong with any of these. Whats weird is part of the reason I dont love the R16 is the smaller buttons. But the F500 has the same size of buttons but for some reason they feel better. I am gonna gush about the F500 flat for a second. This leverless is made for modding but you really dont need to. Inside the body there is a diagram showing what color wires go where, this is such a nice touch, but the most incredible touch is the fact the cable has a ferrite toroid choke on it. This is not needed at all but is such a nice small detail especially at $90. The reason for this ferrite choke is to cut down on EMF interference which probably would happen either way but its nice to have extra security. The things I would change: The biggest one is I actually wish the cable was removeable. I know I just gushed about this ferrite bead but that is the main reason this cable was not made removeable, I think. I am probably going to mod mine though with a USB-C passthrough but this is a very minor thing. I would also change the buttons to be screw in/on instead of clip in buttons but thats a minor thing and is easily fixed. The last thing I would change is add more rubber/foam on the bottom for better lap grip but this can easily be done yourself. Actually all 3 of these are easily done and thats why I say it was made for modding. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I reviewed this controller recently on my channel as well and found the audio passthrough if you use an adapter a really nice feature also For Xbox and PS5 and the only leverless I've seen so far that can do that Pretty cool Great review
If anyone likes the F500 Flat but want more buttons up to 16, a Noir button layout and PS5 integrated support without a USB passthrought, Mayflash is going to release a F700 Flat around October-November of this year I assume it will cost more than the F500 Flat tho
I'm trying so hard to wait for that to drop but I really want to start learning leverless, torn between the haute m16 plus and f700 flat, I think I'd prefer the thicker bodied f700, but that metal body is also very nice imo
@@eliteprofashion Sad news, hope you said this to support team, Im pretty sure they find fix for this in future products. I have t16 with swaped to crystal switches and it works fine for like half a year
The F500 Flat is for the people that wants a chunky leverless without expending on a Victrix, would be interesting if Haute42 designs a thick leverless
I wanted to like Haute 42/Sehawei controllers, they even have the most buttons among all the controllers I've seen, but the one I bought broke in 2 weeks. The USB-C socket is extremely fragile and will be unreliable if you unplug frequently and take it around.
Man I loved my mayflash f300 arcade stick. I only recently got a Sahwei leverless controller. If I had known Mayflash was going to make their own, I would have totally waited for it. Darn.
Ended up getting one as a replacement for my Haute when its usb port started failing. So far, I like the buttons more than I thought I would, though I still plan on customizing it anyway. I love where the L3 and R3 buttons are, and it feels sturdy. I like my controllers with some weight to them, which this has.
I bought the original F500 when T8 first came out. Wanted to get an affordable stick or even a leverless, and opted for Mayflash after some digging on whats good. Fast forward to just recently I see videos that they made this, I immediately nabbed one. This feels so good to play with, esp for SF6 👌
A magnetic face place is a great idea for changing art out without worrying about dealing with screws and screwing the faceplate too tight and cracking the plexi. I wish it would be a option all companies would give us.
You can also plug in a Mayflash Magicboots PS4 adapter or a Brook Wingman FGC and it will work on PS4 and PS5. I don't know if the COSMOX Booter 5 is gonna work but it probably would. These USB authenticators basically just prevent the 8 minute timeouts on by spoofing a Dualshock controller so there's virtually no input lag.
Don't know the COSMOX Booter, but I have two Xbox dongles from Magicboots for my Mayflash sticks and they work perfectly fine. And you only need one for both Xbox One and Series consoles.
I’m so happy to hear your Sanwa take; I’ve been hating on Sanwa buttons for 15 years. They’re not good! They were never good! And keyboard switches blow them out of the water!
Have been really interested in the haute42 lineup of leverless would be awesome if you reciewed a couple of their board im personally looking to get the r16 👍
My first Arcade controller was a Venom, which is basically a Mayflash clone. I could get used to the weight and dimensions no problem if I want a cheap upgrade.
After getting the Hori Fighting Stick Alpha SF6 Edition, I kinda gave up on my Wingman FGC, but the F500 FLAT might save me a lot of time trying to rebuild an old Madcatz Fightstick TE to a leverless 😮😮😮😮
You can use the MayFlash MagicBoots adapter instead of an official controller and it will work on PS4 and PS5. Also, would you consider reviewing the new Haute42 R16? It looks very good and the price is cheap.
I wanna see the Haute42/CosmoX R16 compared to the Mayflash F500 Flat as well. Id love to get a Thumb Up (what I call these hitbox style layout compared to the wasd) that is comfortable on the lap. I have a small SGF Bridget, and it's just not comfy on lap.
I have a Razer Kitsune and I can't go back to 24mm buttons anymore. I reckon for a 16 button maybe the extra 4 can be smaller but the main 12 for me need to be 30mm, it just feels more natural.
Came to say this - I have a Victrix Pro FS-12 (their leverless option) and it was my first controller with 24mm buttons. I have big hands, and my previous controller was the Mayflash f500 Elite, which used 30mm buttons and had a lever. The difference that smaller buttons has on your hands and finger posture is pretty noticeable to me. I personally would not purchase another controller with 24mm buttons as a large handed, broad shouldered person. Mayflash does make quality and affordable controllers, that I can testify. I feel like a lot of these leverless controllers have their buttons so clustered together and it doesn’t feel good.
I’ve been working on getting time allocated to streaming and making videos! Once I’ve got through some of my video queue I’ll be trying my best to be more regular.
Vibration is an interesting idea. I've never played SF on a controller so I have no idea but I wonder if some moves engage the rumble motor? Wonder if using vibrations to help react is possible. Or maybe just a weird feature that has no use
I don't understand why all these controllers don't have better spacing for adapters. I'm not playing with a usb stick hanging like that because it very easily get damaged. It can't be that hard to provide a usb port inside the controller with all this space so I can put my adapter in there
If I were to stream my Xbox Series X to my computer using the xbox app, would I need an adapter to use this controller or would it work without one? (Edit: I bought one and tested it, You do not need an xbox controller plugged into the hitbox when using the xbox app.)
Dear lord have I been waiting for a leverless that actually has L3 and R3! It's one of my big pet peeves with arcade style controllers in general is that the retail versions tend not to have them. Thank you for pointing this one out NG, I'm gonna nab one next pay day!
@@fernandocasillasjr ya but i mean, you get one with your console and if your friend has a different console they still have at least 1 licensed controller, but your right
Ps4 controller for 100 dollars? Online a quick search showed listings from 65 at most to 30 (some even cheaper). So yeah I'd say the controller is amazing value compared to most sticks these days going for 200ish at the cheaper end. Obviously sucks having to have an og controller for console use but for pc players I can vouch for mayflash sticks having used an f300 I got for 15 bucks 😩
Well no the reason you have to plug in a controller is to keep the price of it down and to get it to work with all consoles. To get native compatibility, they'd have to shelve out money for licensing which would make it not only more expensive, but also exclusive as well. Obviously still sucks to have to plug in a controller for consoles though
I have 2 dual sense controllers with stickdrift on the right stick, could I rip out the insides of one of these and use the controllerboard for one of these? Basicly they have the same thing in them as a mayflash I suppose... and hasn't anyone done this yet.
I love Haute42 and Mayflash bringing us affordable buttonboxes after years and years of them being sold for $300+.
Razor is charging 350€ for the chun-li edition on amazon. Its insane, since it has less expensive hardware than a stick
@@jonmegarton8078 Haute42 is by far the best. Easily portable and it can fit in a macbook air case perfectly. Not to mention the customization .
They've been cheaper than $300 for years though, Flatboxes have always been dirt cheap
I applaud mayflash for trying to find a way to integrate haptics into a button box dunno if the implementation works, but I think it's worth celebrating innovative ideas.
i love the form factor of the F500 flat, thanks for reviewing this!
I love my F500 Flat, i also want to say that Mayflash employees are very friendly and react fast. When the F500 Flat debuted it wasn't available for México and when i told that problem on their youtube channel they sended units for being sold only on Amazon México. Very cool service.
I also tested it with my Xbox 360 because i wanted to feel how is playing Tekken 6 on a leverless and it worked perfectly. My future plans with it include put custom art and put some Qanba Gravity KS buttons
i've had the F500 stick version since DBFZ came out and it's still in great condition, its a very affordable and durable brand, plus also very easy to change pieces
The Mayflash MagicBoots PS4 V1.1 is a super popular choice for a lot of PS4/PS5 players as the USB dongle/authenticator is significantly shorter than the Magic-S Ultimate and Wingman FGC. People choose the USB passthrough port over traditional converter on their Mayflash or Haute42/GP2040-CE powered PCB because there's less input lag as converters have to convert whatever input's going through while the USB passthrough port doesn't...then again, Endingwalker just proved that the Wingman FGC doesn't have noticeable input lag as he uses a Xbox pad + Wignman FGC and finished in Top 6 of SF6 from EVO 2024. (monitor input lag is more noticeable than controller input lag).
Thanks for bringing this up. I use a Haute 42 leverless with a Magic-S Ultimate via USB-Passthrough with PS4. I would like to try out a Mayflash Arcade Stick but can't find any useful info if the Magic-S Ultimate provides authentication for those too when connected to a PS4. Mayflash only refers to the PS5 for that option. Do you have any experience here?
@@marcelhindrichs6528 The idea behind stuff like the Magic-S Ultimate, Wingman FGC and ect is that they just make your peripheral recognized as a licensed PS4 arcade stick for PS5 fighting game legacy support. This is pretty much what NihongoGamer mentioned about these sticks including the F700, they're not true PS5 native but work on PS5 fighting games with Legacy Support feature. DBFZ PS5 Rollback Netcode patch, The Rumble Fish 2 and Breakers The Collection do not have legacy support.
So pretty much your Haute42 with the Magic-S Ultimate is recognized as a licensed PS4 arcade stick as PS5 games aren't compatible with the DualShock 4 or any licensed aftermarket PS4 pads...interestingly enough, my F500 Flat with a PS4 Hori FPS+ controller plugged in is recognized as legacy support for PS5 fighting games but the controller itself doesn't work when plugged into the PS5 lol
Mine just shipped. Thanks young lad. I'm just getting into fight games and with my old arthritic wrists, this seems like money well spent, pretty much a no brainer IMO.
Finally! I love the regular fight stick box form factor, instead of the controller being really thin. This is more my style.
Had this for about 2 weeks now. Love it so far!
I watched this review when it came out but decided to order the Haute42 R16 instead. Then my friend got an F500 flat and was gushing about it. I got my R16 in and while I like it, I dont love it since I already have a T16. Anyways my friend gushing about it made me say "screw it I guess I am buying a third leverless this month" and I ordered it. It was delivered overnight from amazon. I have to say this stick for $90 is incredible. If you are debating between the T16, R16, and F500 flat go with the F500. If you dont want the thickness go with the T16 but the thickness is oddly a benefit as it makes room for cable storage and while playing with it in your lap the extra height makes it more comfortable. The T16 is great for desk play though. The R16 is also really nice and you can't go wrong with any of these. Whats weird is part of the reason I dont love the R16 is the smaller buttons. But the F500 has the same size of buttons but for some reason they feel better.
I am gonna gush about the F500 flat for a second. This leverless is made for modding but you really dont need to. Inside the body there is a diagram showing what color wires go where, this is such a nice touch, but the most incredible touch is the fact the cable has a ferrite toroid choke on it. This is not needed at all but is such a nice small detail especially at $90. The reason for this ferrite choke is to cut down on EMF interference which probably would happen either way but its nice to have extra security.
The things I would change: The biggest one is I actually wish the cable was removeable. I know I just gushed about this ferrite bead but that is the main reason this cable was not made removeable, I think. I am probably going to mod mine though with a USB-C passthrough but this is a very minor thing.
I would also change the buttons to be screw in/on instead of clip in buttons but thats a minor thing and is easily fixed.
The last thing I would change is add more rubber/foam on the bottom for better lap grip but this can easily be done yourself. Actually all 3 of these are easily done and thats why I say it was made for modding.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
This is what I use to play Tekken8 and honestly it is absolutely amazing. Can't recommend this enough/
If this controller was a thing about a year ago i definitely would have picked it up as my first leverless. The big case is such a huge plus for me
I use one of the small skinny ones and it's great on a desk, but I am seriously picking one of these up for easier lap play.
Picked one up, and I have a Haute 42 T13, U16, and G16 and much prefer the mayflash f500 flat
I reviewed this controller recently on my channel as well
and found the audio passthrough
if you use an adapter a really nice feature also
For Xbox and PS5
and the only leverless I've seen so far that can do that
Pretty cool
Great review
If anyone likes the F500 Flat but want more buttons up to 16, a Noir button layout and PS5 integrated support without a USB passthrought, Mayflash is going to release a F700 Flat around October-November of this year
I assume it will cost more than the F500 Flat tho
I'm trying so hard to wait for that to drop but I really want to start learning leverless, torn between the haute m16 plus and f700 flat, I think I'd prefer the thicker bodied f700, but that metal body is also very nice imo
Haute 42 is also really good for price and software.
*they have multiple designs and ps5 support through the gp2040-ce
Static electricity killed 2 haute controllers for me
@@eliteprofashion Sad news, hope you said this to support team, Im pretty sure they find fix for this in future products. I have t16 with swaped to crystal switches and it works fine for like half a year
The F500 Flat is for the people that wants a chunky leverless without expending on a Victrix, would be interesting if Haute42 designs a thick leverless
I wanted to like Haute 42/Sehawei controllers, they even have the most buttons among all the controllers I've seen, but the one I bought broke in 2 weeks.
The USB-C socket is extremely fragile and will be unreliable if you unplug frequently and take it around.
Man I loved my mayflash f300 arcade stick. I only recently got a Sahwei leverless controller. If I had known Mayflash was going to make their own, I would have totally waited for it. Darn.
i bought this and put SEIMITSU buttons, this thing is so good. (imma try Sanwa buttons next, just to try it out)
Ended up getting one as a replacement for my Haute when its usb port started failing.
So far, I like the buttons more than I thought I would, though I still plan on customizing it anyway. I love where the L3 and R3 buttons are, and it feels sturdy. I like my controllers with some weight to them, which this has.
I bought the original F500 when T8 first came out. Wanted to get an affordable stick or even a leverless, and opted for Mayflash after some digging on whats good.
Fast forward to just recently I see videos that they made this, I immediately nabbed one. This feels so good to play with, esp for SF6 👌
A magnetic face place is a great idea for changing art out without worrying about dealing with screws and screwing the faceplate too tight and cracking the plexi. I wish it would be a option all companies would give us.
Nice review & I love how this leverless controller looks
Had the mayflash stick for a while. I just ordered a snackbox but I love all leverless that's not made by hitbox so Ima cop it
Nihongo gamer saving our wallets one arcade stick at a time
Never been this early before love your videos!!!!
You can also plug in a Mayflash Magicboots PS4 adapter or a Brook Wingman FGC and it will work on PS4 and PS5. I don't know if the COSMOX Booter 5 is gonna work but it probably would. These USB authenticators basically just prevent the 8 minute timeouts on by spoofing a Dualshock controller so there's virtually no input lag.
Don't know the COSMOX Booter, but I have two Xbox dongles from Magicboots for my Mayflash sticks and they work perfectly fine. And you only need one for both Xbox One and Series consoles.
It looks really good
A good purchase option to try the leverless controller 👍👍
I’m so happy to hear your Sanwa take; I’ve been hating on Sanwa buttons for 15 years. They’re not good! They were never good! And keyboard switches blow them out of the water!
Have been really interested in the haute42 lineup of leverless would be awesome if you reciewed a couple of their board im personally looking to get the r16 👍
Been waiting for u do this 😁😁😁
My first Arcade controller was a Venom, which is basically a Mayflash clone. I could get used to the weight and dimensions no problem if I want a cheap upgrade.
After getting the Hori Fighting Stick Alpha SF6 Edition, I kinda gave up on my Wingman FGC, but the F500 FLAT might save me a lot of time trying to rebuild an old Madcatz Fightstick TE to a leverless 😮😮😮😮
I actually have an old F500 I baught a couple years ago. I might just pick this up but I'm not quite sure yet.
imo they should have an internal usb port for the converter.
maybe in the cable storage space.
id be worried about accidently breaking that stick off
The magic boots is tiny and the booter5 even more so. The only issue I would see is those Brooke converters
Please compare it with the Haute42
As someone who plays on Haute42 M16 Plus, I would not call thinness a luxury.
Haute42 controllers are thin and yet inexpensive.
You can use the MayFlash MagicBoots adapter instead of an official controller and it will work on PS4 and PS5. Also, would you consider reviewing the new Haute42 R16? It looks very good and the price is cheap.
I wanna see the Haute42/CosmoX R16 compared to the Mayflash F500 Flat as well. Id love to get a Thumb Up (what I call these hitbox style layout compared to the wasd) that is comfortable on the lap. I have a small SGF Bridget, and it's just not comfy on lap.
I have a Razer Kitsune and I can't go back to 24mm buttons anymore. I reckon for a 16 button maybe the extra 4 can be smaller but the main 12 for me need to be 30mm, it just feels more natural.
Came to say this - I have a Victrix Pro FS-12 (their leverless option) and it was my first controller with 24mm buttons. I have big hands, and my previous controller was the Mayflash f500 Elite, which used 30mm buttons and had a lever. The difference that smaller buttons has on your hands and finger posture is pretty noticeable to me.
I personally would not purchase another controller with 24mm buttons as a large handed, broad shouldered person. Mayflash does make quality and affordable controllers, that I can testify. I feel like a lot of these leverless controllers have their buttons so clustered together and it doesn’t feel good.
I kinda want a tier list video of all the fightpads ngl
haute42 t16 and this mayflash got me into leverless. waiting for the new qanba leverless now, hoping it won't make my wallet sad lol.
Bro please tell me when are you going back to streaming😭We’ve been waiting for so long 😭
I’ve been working on getting time allocated to streaming and making videos! Once I’ve got through some of my video queue I’ll be trying my best to be more regular.
Vibration is an interesting idea. I've never played SF on a controller so I have no idea but I wonder if some moves engage the rumble motor? Wonder if using vibrations to help react is possible. Or maybe just a weird feature that has no use
I'm new in fighting games, what should I choose, a stick one or an all buttos like this?
We want a review on m16 plus and compare it with the razer kitsune
Do you need the adapter for it to work on the Nintendo switch ?
Would the touch pad button work if you used this on xbox?
Can I use the brook wingman converter whit this arcade stick.
Personally, I prefer the mayflash buttons over sanwa. Sanwa are just way too sensitive.
I don't understand why all these controllers don't have better spacing for adapters. I'm not playing with a usb stick hanging like that because it very easily get damaged. It can't be that hard to provide a usb port inside the controller with all this space so I can put my adapter in there
If I were to stream my Xbox Series X to my computer using the xbox app, would I need an adapter to use this controller or would it work without one?
(Edit: I bought one and tested it, You do not need an xbox controller plugged into the hitbox when using the xbox app.)
Dear lord have I been waiting for a leverless that actually has L3 and R3! It's one of my big pet peeves with arcade style controllers in general is that the retail versions tend not to have them. Thank you for pointing this one out NG, I'm gonna nab one next pay day!
Does your tpad button f500 flat work? The shareview button was acting as my touchpad button like two days that I got the controller on the ps5
Never mind im buying the magic ultimate s converter I was using the Brooke I guess the signal got swapped.
I wish the mayflash leverless was in europe
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I need a wireless one
the fact that this works on xbox, ps4/5, and pc without needing an adapter is crazy
I bought one at launch. It does need a 1st party or licensed controller. Or a dongle.
Not true buddy
@@fernandocasillasjr ya but i mean, you get one with your console and if your friend has a different console they still have at least 1 licensed controller, but your right
Ps4 controller for 100 dollars? Online a quick search showed listings from 65 at most to 30 (some even cheaper). So yeah I'd say the controller is amazing value compared to most sticks these days going for 200ish at the cheaper end. Obviously sucks having to have an og controller for console use but for pc players I can vouch for mayflash sticks having used an f300 I got for 15 bucks 😩
Nihongo gamer this is the second time in two months you said start here start now
I'm considering saying it again for the next video
When F700 Flat 🤔
It's in the works. Mayflash support was on reddit asking for button layout suggestions for it.
F700FLAT will come out around end of Oct. Thanks for your attention & patience.
to this day i don’t understand whyyyyyy they put in turbo buttons? i’ve never used it in my life just seems like a wasted feature
It's for shoot'em up games, not fighters.
I wish may flash was official ps5 but that will never happen. So I’ll stick to razor
Nope, will never plug a controller into my fightstick. Esp with a box that big the internals should be there.
Well no the reason you have to plug in a controller is to keep the price of it down and to get it to work with all consoles. To get native compatibility, they'd have to shelve out money for licensing which would make it not only more expensive, but also exclusive as well. Obviously still sucks to have to plug in a controller for consoles though
peak
I heard 90 dollars and switch to a haute video
Doing hopkicks and crouch cancels in that crap is horrible in Tekken!!
Mayflash has a delay. Needs improvement.
don't work on 360!! FU$#
I have 2 dual sense controllers with stickdrift on the right stick, could I rip out the insides of one of these and use the controllerboard for one of these? Basicly they have the same thing in them as a mayflash I suppose... and hasn't anyone done this yet.
Can you please review flydigi vader 4 pro for fighting games?