@@Miggy9 Yeah the swarm is 100% in agreement with "don't keep the canvas static and boring", I think the plan the whole time was to swap the art out at least daily. They just won't give up any of the space they've taken to anyone *else's* art...
@@KarlBaronyou want it take it. We have more than 700 people doing things on the canvas. Ofc we’re not gonna just sit there letting people stay in one place. We are always moving so move yourselves as well. It keeps things dynamic
You heard the woman, we have explicitly been given ownership of the entire right side of the canvas, we are legally entitled to it. (Definitely 100% real and true with absolutely no miscommunication, all truth, 0% schizo)
They’re just two very different communities. Swarm has a large amount of highly-engaged, young members with tons of free time. Ironmouse’s audience trends older and far more casual and less likely to participate heavily. The former wants to collaborate on large pieces, the latter just wants to put in 15 minutes on some little doodle somewhere and see it survive. If Swarm was more toxic they would have already taken over the whole board. Instead they’ve been collaborating with the Touhou, Henya factions, etc. They even redrew one of Ironmouse’s pieces to look better since the original had poor shading! Earlier, Swarm got so bored from having nothing to do they decided to all try to attack the same one pixel at the same time just to see what happened (it crashed the server requiring a restart) The most excitement came when Connor came on stream to call to raise the timer so the Ironmouse team got lots of pixels from gift subs. They spent those blindly attacking the OSU mark instead of drawing something new.
instead of making their own art, they used their oiler pixels to grief. and then complain it's all neuro art. make itmake sense. and saying mean things coming from the swarm when her community is too. did she call them out?
remember the poll vedal made about average neuro chatter's age? i think mostly voters choose between the age of 25-40 years of viewers. and yeah our queen has declare to take all over the canvas for 100% a bare minimum
I have been trying to keep track of the discord and our proposal is: make the canvas bigger so there is more room for your art and we can still keep working on our art.
You make negotiations when you are losing the war. The Swarm is just way too strong in these place events, a part of them are also in the osu! community so this explains that.
@@PotatoToon osu! and Neuro community have a good relation cuz they are almost the same thing. First push of fame of Neuro Sama came from the osu! community. Literally the oldest Neuro-Sama fans are osu! fans.
The large Neuro on the center-right that's been there for a while was let go in favor of shifting over a bit to make art for Evil while leaving more space in the center. The Swarm is kind.
wait wait, are we going to have drama over pixel art fr? also it's kinda annoying ironmouse talking like we're the source of toxicity, not like all her fans are angel anyway.
@@Zanpaa I understand there are some crazy neuro fans but you can't just blame one entire community on everything. she could just word it differently to calm down both sides, not just "yeah your community is the problem ruining our peaceful and lovely community" that would only create more friction between 2 communities. Just wanna point out since we're being antagonized a bit too much.
@@lukpuds3594 Mouse just work like this it's the same as some other vtubers they protect their fanbase as if it is their lifeline and blame it all on other communities. Mouse barely speaks about things when part of her community does something horrendously bad.
The Swarm is NOT a larger community than what Ironmouse has. But if you look at Ironmouses own subathon canvas you would not get to that conclusion. It's absolutely crazy the ammount of presence the Swarm has in art projects like these.
So here is the context of this clip, I was a big on mouses side on the Precious Family discord and was the negitator for the PFam community on the swarms discord. -bubi gets all of chat too attack osu -mouse dicord is in uh oh mode because we knew we would not win (and we didn't) but are forced to follow mouses orders - bubi leaves and twitch chat doesn't participate anymore so it was left to us at the discord to try and build bubis cocc, obviously lose because swarm and osu has way more active members on the canvas -the twitch chatters get salty and start talking shit about the swarm even thought they arent really active AS the swarm or not even on the PFam discord -and then Mouse was forced to address this because Twitch chat was getting too salty unlike the swarm not all of us are active in the Pfam discord most of the people who placed only participated when mouse showed the canvas on the stream
@@daniel4647 It was, infact i was the one who did all the coordination for the massive lazer attack and the explosion! it looked so fucking sick on the timelapse
This is peak cinema Main goal: raise donation Declares war, loses and calls winners toxic for not letting her have "fun" Means donation was not so important after all and it was all about having more pics of herself
I think it's because her community tried sabotaging some Neuro/OSU art (instead of creating their own new art) and weren't able to, so they complained about it and she took their side. She's trying not to antagonize the Swarm who are much more active and competent when it comes to this kind of stuff while also appeasing her most whiny fans.
The Swarm has been dominating the canvas the whole time so it'd be nice of us to let Mousey have some morr space on her own canvas. We already did that by moving the box neuro from the center so that the Mousey and Connor art could be there.
@@lorxdrawstuff It's a canvas for charity, which seeks to involve as many people as possible. If the Swarm are putting in the most for the sake of that charity, then one can hardly complain. If it's purely for fun and not asking for the people involved to give their own money, it would make more sense for it to say that it belongs to her alone.
''You can take the right and we take the left'' ...There is no Neuro arts on the right though... There is one at the bottom and that's it. It should've been the opposite
@@evylrune The Neuro art has changed on the left, and will continue to change as the Swarm continues to try new things. I recall a really nice Evil picture that was replaced. The Neuro art on the right has been there a while and could be changed if she took the right side. It's much more in line with her stated goal of seeing an ever-changing canvas.
I'm sorry, I'm by no means trying to be mean to mouse but she really chose the 2 neuro art pieces out of everything and *negotiated* by giving them nothing and saying this is a war for fun but doesn't even want to fight, and worst of all, she only says "don't come to my chat and be toxic" as if the swarm is the only one that is toxic, WOWWW. Victim mentality at its finest.
Mouse has always had this kind of victim mentality. It came out aswell when she started crying because Silvervale left Vshojo apparently she was sad about Silver not having talked to her in a very long time while in truth Mouse just didn't reply to her so she stopped messaging. Not to also forget the time she acted like a victim because Nyanners decided to leave Vshojo. She's an alright person but she definitely has a victim mentality
If you're under 20 you shouldn't give your opinion tbh. Give your brain enough time to develop and come back in a few years. But more seriously stop being crybabies. We want the time-lapse to look cool at the end and it's not even our canvas.
@@MDG-mykys Yeah, kinda. At 2:06 she says "I know there are a lot of great people in THAT community", suggesting it's not her community not being great, but that the toxic people she's referring to all comes from "that" community. She clearly put some effort into wording herself in an ambiguous way and not attacking the entire swarm, but it very much sounded like she was saying that's were the toxicity came from. Wasn't there so I can't tell, but from my experience with the swarm they're like the most chill people out of any large Twitch community I've encountered, and I'm much more inclined to think Mouse has a lot more crazy drama fans.
@@daniel4647 I mean she technically never said her community was perfect lol. I think she said something like "if you're toxic I don't want you in my community" or something like that.
Not really? I'm a swarm memɓer, and in my experience most of the oiling happened by people in Ironmouse's community, often to attack us. We generally just grab one sub for the 10x pixel multiplier, and then place for several hours
The swarm has like 7 times the members of the next highest faction and they are actually engaged in the discord. I dont think they are oilers they just have numbers. They stay there pixeling all day because vedal is a lazy bum. Most of mouses people only go on there when shes live and telling them too.
can confirm the above two comments. there is an active group effort from the swarm about this. The kind of activity that a couple of oilers alone would not be able to top.
why is she acting like money will not be rise for the donation if she dosent have a image with herself? make no sens, also how is it toxic if you are making art with your fav vtuber?
That's not what she is implying. If you're fighting to change the art, chances are people will buy more pixels aka donate more to charity. Please think before speaking.
What's with Ironmouse Viewers sleeping on the canvas? She does have more than Vedal. Or maybe she only pulls twitch numbers but overall the swarm is way bigger.
Yeah it's weird, all of the Neuro factions together are just under 1000 people and Ironmouses is 111, so it's no wonder the Swarm is dominating. I'm surprised how few she has even participating a little.
so apparently her discord is sub only. and the art coordination is in discord. so they have no communication with the discord folks(who are kind and communicate with us btw) and twitch chat. they can spend on griefing though so i dont know what is up with that
Unfortunately, it seems that us in the neuro swarm have chosen the left hand side, but I agree, some ironmouse space is reasonable on her own silly canvas haha
A war is fine but a toxic war is not fine. I love seeing a timelaps war of two art pieces. it is always fun to see at the end and be a part of but as soon as people start caring too much about pixels it gets weird..
If Ironmoose wants something specific to be drawn on her canvas, she can just protect some areas from editing. It's her canvas. It makes no sense for her to be this disrespectful...
i think the sisters can be funny and i like vedal but sometimes the swarm can be insufferable, if it means showing support to them they will shove their way into anything no matter the protests.
Yeah wouldn't want people to think the people parasocially obsessed with an AI that has, on multiple occasions, talked about eliminating the human race, are crazy.
@@Jaramass To be fair, the way Mouse put it is pretty weird already. And it kind of unilaterally tries to put the swarm in a bad light, which is not cool.
It's all fun and games until the swarm becomes too powerful, and drama ensues.
Classic rodent behavior
we are the rats
We might even be.... The iron rats.
@@AceOfBlade The stainless steel rats.
I love Mousey and Neuro both and art of them hugging would be so great to see. Just sayin.
The neuro art on the left was covered... by different neuro art. I think there was some miscommunication there.
nope, afaik the neuro art was switched 3 times just so the area there doesn't feel "boring"
@@Miggy9 Yeah the swarm is 100% in agreement with "don't keep the canvas static and boring", I think the plan the whole time was to swap the art out at least daily. They just won't give up any of the space they've taken to anyone *else's* art...
There's a time-lapse at the end so you want to change the art regularly.
@@KarlBaronyou want it take it. We have more than 700 people doing things on the canvas. Ofc we’re not gonna just sit there letting people stay in one place. We are always moving so move yourselves as well. It keeps things dynamic
We should make a compromise.
We'll draw Ironmouse dressed as Evil and Evil dressed as Ironmouse
This is the way
This is actually Ideal
yi sang...
This is something I absolutely agree with.
Let him cook
o7 to the Evil Swarm art, was my favorite art piece there, although the Alice:Madness Returns art is awesome as well.
it is already covered lol
@@daemon_n Welp 😂 At least she has a point it will be cool to see on the Timelapse.
You heard the woman, we have explicitly been given ownership of the entire right side of the canvas, we are legally entitled to it.
(Definitely 100% real and true with absolutely no miscommunication, all truth, 0% schizo)
the swarm has grown in power tremendously
One could even call it Recursively Self-Improving (?)
tbh, bilibili. that is an extra 300k followers at least
I wonder what we'll look like on the next r/place
She is right, we can't stuck with same things. How about a Neuro Wave. Starting from right top and go down left
neuro said in discord that she wants 100% of the canvas so RIP to this proposal lol
Cant wait for swarm to cover the entire right side 😂
They’re just two very different communities. Swarm has a large amount of highly-engaged, young members with tons of free time. Ironmouse’s audience trends older and far more casual and less likely to participate heavily. The former wants to collaborate on large pieces, the latter just wants to put in 15 minutes on some little doodle somewhere and see it survive.
If Swarm was more toxic they would have already taken over the whole board. Instead they’ve been collaborating with the Touhou, Henya factions, etc. They even redrew one of Ironmouse’s pieces to look better since the original had poor shading!
Earlier, Swarm got so bored from having nothing to do they decided to all try to attack the same one pixel at the same time just to see what happened (it crashed the server requiring a restart)
The most excitement came when Connor came on stream to call to raise the timer so the Ironmouse team got lots of pixels from gift subs. They spent those blindly attacking the OSU mark instead of drawing something new.
instead of making their own art, they used their oiler pixels to grief. and then complain it's all neuro art. make itmake sense. and saying mean things coming from the swarm when her community is too. did she call them out?
@@KarlBaron I doubt her average audience age is above 16 with her content.
I think we're the oldests 😂.
remember the poll vedal made about average neuro chatter's age? i think mostly voters choose between the age of 25-40 years of viewers.
and yeah our queen has declare to take all over the canvas for 100% a bare minimum
Drawing Ironmouse art is fun, but attacking OSU mark is much more important 😂
I love iron mouse's community, but all out war is more fun. My eleven measly pixels are ready.😂
You getting 11 pixels?!
>Negotiation
>Nothing given
?????
But it's "mean" and "toxic" apparently 🙃
Corpa Clap
@@ProjectStickman if youre getting pressed by this youre a loser
@@Moon-pt4cp Final step: Profit
It aint that deep
It seems the swarm don't take this negotiations
That wasn't a negotiation, she just chose something without discussing it.
They'll have to fight for it
I have been trying to keep track of the discord and our proposal is:
make the canvas bigger so there is more room for your art and we can still keep working on our art.
have you seen what happens when a Reddit Canvas gets bigger? Germany rolls through the entire Section before others could even start their Art XD
I can imagine someone will draw a wall in the middle afterwards
I think "Berlin" is a nice name for a wall
look at all of those HD drawings of Neuro. Hilarious.
I think by saying “Don’t be toxic”, it actively turns people toxic.
But I thought she wanted war
You make negotiations when you are losing the war. The Swarm is just way too strong in these place events, a part of them are also in the osu! community so this explains that.
This is stil part of war
@@PotatoToon osu! and Neuro community have a good relation cuz they are almost the same thing.
First push of fame of Neuro Sama came from the osu! community.
Literally the oldest Neuro-Sama fans are osu! fans.
@buffedsans8761 I know, i've discovered Neuro in may 2019 when the community was talking about an osu! AI playing with relax.
The large Neuro on the center-right that's been there for a while was let go in favor of shifting over a bit to make art for Evil while leaving more space in the center. The Swarm is kind.
wait wait, are we going to have drama over pixel art fr? also it's kinda annoying ironmouse talking like we're the source of toxicity, not like all her fans are angel anyway.
read the comments lmao, the neuro pixel warriors are horrible
@@Zanpaa not like you're any better.
You're probably the most dedicated neuro hater.
@@Zanpaa I understand there are some crazy neuro fans but you can't just blame one entire community on everything. she could just word it differently to calm down both sides, not just "yeah your community is the problem ruining our peaceful and lovely community" that would only create more friction between 2 communities. Just wanna point out since we're being antagonized a bit too much.
@@lukpuds3594 Mouse just work like this it's the same as some other vtubers they protect their fanbase as if it is their lifeline and blame it all on other communities. Mouse barely speaks about things when part of her community does something horrendously bad.
@@ChiIIi...Wait then why does vedal not protect us? Why doesn't he treat us better?
:(
you can have a 30 by 30 pixel space, take it or leave it
Has Ironmouse gotten to the Copium levels of asking her mods for free pixels like last time yet
"Negotiate"
TRADE OFFER:
You receive: 0:36
We receive: Mouse collabing with Neuro
Corpa Clap
yeah i'm sure she would love to collab with someone who has shown an incredibly toxic community lmao
@@Zanpaa keep crying brother
@@Zanpaaironic really, you're being toxic right now.
@@jinshimizu see what i mean lmao
@@Zanpaa haven't done crying? It's ok i'll wait
If she does a collab with Neuro, the swarm will accept those terms.
"To forge an Alliance, the other party must either become Childhood friends or a victim to the Machine Goddess in a stream collab"
The Swarm is NOT a larger community than what Ironmouse has.
But if you look at Ironmouses own subathon canvas you would not get to that conclusion.
It's absolutely crazy the ammount of presence the Swarm has in art projects like these.
Vedal broadcasts on Bilibili and has 615k followers in China.
when are we making the bread neuro?
So here is the context of this clip, I was a big on mouses side on the Precious Family discord and was the negitator for the PFam community on the swarms discord.
-bubi gets all of chat too attack osu
-mouse dicord is in uh oh mode because we knew we would not win (and we didn't) but are forced to follow mouses orders
- bubi leaves and twitch chat doesn't participate anymore so it was left to us at the discord to try and build bubis cocc, obviously lose because swarm and osu has way more active members on the canvas
-the twitch chatters get salty and start talking shit about the swarm even thought they arent really active AS
the swarm or not even on the PFam discord
-and then Mouse was forced to address this because Twitch chat was getting too salty
unlike the swarm not all of us are active in the Pfam discord most of the people who placed only participated when mouse showed the canvas on the stream
Good context, thanks. Timelaps turned out great though, especially the end was pretty epic.
@@daniel4647 It was, infact i was the one who did all the coordination for the massive lazer attack and the explosion! it looked so fucking sick on the timelapse
This is peak cinema
Main goal: raise donation
Declares war, loses and calls winners toxic for not letting her have "fun"
Means donation was not so important after all and it was all about having more pics of herself
I think it's because her community tried sabotaging some Neuro/OSU art (instead of creating their own new art) and weren't able to, so they complained about it and she took their side. She's trying not to antagonize the Swarm who are much more active and competent when it comes to this kind of stuff while also appeasing her most whiny fans.
Well if it’s such a big stink maybe next time this little “charity” fun can go without the Swarms overwhelming support
Bruh that's begging and not negotiating.
She wants change so yall just need to keep drawing all kinds of neuro
The Swarm has been dominating the canvas the whole time so it'd be nice of us to let Mousey have some morr space on her own canvas.
We already did that by moving the box neuro from the center so that the Mousey and Connor art could be there.
I mean it's still her canvas no?
@@lorxdrawstuff
It's a canvas for charity, which seeks to involve as many people as possible. If the Swarm are putting in the most for the sake of that charity, then one can hardly complain. If it's purely for fun and not asking for the people involved to give their own money, it would make more sense for it to say that it belongs to her alone.
''You can take the right and we take the left''
...There is no Neuro arts on the right though... There is one at the bottom and that's it. It should've been the opposite
You don't understand how this works. You're supposed to change the art all the time because there's a time-lapse at the end.
@@evylrune
The Neuro art has changed on the left, and will continue to change as the Swarm continues to try new things. I recall a really nice Evil picture that was replaced. The Neuro art on the right has been there a while and could be changed if she took the right side. It's much more in line with her stated goal of seeing an ever-changing canvas.
Neuro is giving direct orders to take over the board
So i guess everyone that doesn't do whatever she wants is being toxic?
No, she's referring to those who get extra salty.
Neuro demands 100% minimum!
I'm sorry, I'm by no means trying to be mean to mouse but she really chose the 2 neuro art pieces out of everything and *negotiated* by giving them nothing and saying this is a war for fun but doesn't even want to fight, and worst of all, she only says "don't come to my chat and be toxic" as if the swarm is the only one that is toxic, WOWWW. Victim mentality at its finest.
bro comes to someone's house, pisses on the floor, and says "WOAH REAAALLY YOU'RE GETTING MAD NOW????"
@@ZanpaaTF lil bro yapping about?💀
Mouse has always had this kind of victim mentality. It came out aswell when she started crying because Silvervale left Vshojo apparently she was sad about Silver not having talked to her in a very long time while in truth Mouse just didn't reply to her so she stopped messaging. Not to also forget the time she acted like a victim because Nyanners decided to leave Vshojo. She's an alright person but she definitely has a victim mentality
Ok dude, I get your point wither it was true or not, but the phrasing is slightly mean. Let's keep this fun and cool please.
If you're under 20 you shouldn't give your opinion tbh. Give your brain enough time to develop and come back in a few years. But more seriously stop being crybabies. We want the time-lapse to look cool at the end and it's not even our canvas.
Treaty of Tordesillas:
What? Challenge?? Someone said challenge??
War is a war
Ironmouse acting like her own community doesn't get toxic lol
I'm confused, I thought she was talking in general.
Did she say that the swarm/neuro is toxic?
@@MDG-mykys Yeah, kinda. At 2:06 she says "I know there are a lot of great people in THAT community", suggesting it's not her community not being great, but that the toxic people she's referring to all comes from "that" community. She clearly put some effort into wording herself in an ambiguous way and not attacking the entire swarm, but it very much sounded like she was saying that's were the toxicity came from. Wasn't there so I can't tell, but from my experience with the swarm they're like the most chill people out of any large Twitch community I've encountered, and I'm much more inclined to think Mouse has a lot more crazy drama fans.
@@daniel4647 I mean she technically never said her community was perfect lol.
I think she said something like "if you're toxic I don't want you in my community" or something like that.
@@daniel4647 projection much 🙄
Neuro said on discord that she wants 100% of the canvas
Did we win? It seems like our templates are fine(outside of the civil war stuff).
She said 100% im sorry mouse
Neuro has decided that she will settle for nothing less than 100% of the canvas
ngl, I hope the swarm takes over the whole canvas, that would be funny lmao
classic toxic positivity while being passive aggressive lol
Name a better rivals than swarm and Ironmouse fans
I mean it was response for wrecking osu logo so dont cry now (I dont mean it it just joke I will just clarify so ppl wont get triggered)
Does Neuro know about this canvas?
Yeah she wanted 100% of it apparently she send something in the discord about it
Friggin swarm. Vedal got em oil daddy's
Not really? I'm a swarm memɓer, and in my experience most of the oiling happened by people in Ironmouse's community, often to attack us. We generally just grab one sub for the 10x pixel multiplier, and then place for several hours
The swarm has like 7 times the members of the next highest faction and they are actually engaged in the discord. I dont think they are oilers they just have numbers. They stay there pixeling all day because vedal is a lazy bum. Most of mouses people only go on there when shes live and telling them too.
can confirm the above two comments. there is an active group effort from the swarm about this. The kind of activity that a couple of oilers alone would not be able to top.
I forgot that the thing is a Timelapse ngl
why is she acting like money will not be rise for the donation if she dosent have a image with herself? make no sens, also how is it toxic if you are making art with your fav vtuber?
That's not what she is implying. If you're fighting to change the art, chances are people will buy more pixels aka donate more to charity. Please think before speaking.
@@evylruneerm it’s a typed comment not a spoken statement please think before you type sweaty 💅
Its not even close lmao
What's with Ironmouse Viewers sleeping on the canvas? She does have more than Vedal. Or maybe she only pulls twitch numbers but overall the swarm is way bigger.
Yeah it's weird, all of the Neuro factions together are just under 1000 people and Ironmouses is 111, so it's no wonder the Swarm is dominating. I'm surprised how few she has even participating a little.
so apparently her discord is sub only. and the art coordination is in discord. so they have no communication with the discord folks(who are kind and communicate with us btw) and twitch chat. they can spend on griefing though so i dont know what is up with that
lol she fail the task completely, she ask for war and we did deliver it (technically speaking)
The negotiations were short
I don't think you could call that a negotiation. She just took something without asking, that kind of makes her a Thief xd
She should simply write Vedal and actually negotiate instead of this
Bread🍞
🚬 🐤 Classic Pixel Wars
Yeah 👍
more neuro art than ironmouse art 😭
NoiCE
We're somehow on the same side again. These wars are quick.
Unfortunately, it seems that us in the neuro swarm have chosen the left hand side, but I agree, some ironmouse space is reasonable on her own silly canvas haha
Ironmouse is kinda annoying ngl
Someone have to relay this video to the discord server. I think we have done enough
I will take this deal!
Meh, chaos and fights on a pixel board is more fun :)
A war is fine but a toxic war is not fine. I love seeing a timelaps war of two art pieces. it is always fun to see at the end and be a part of but as soon as people start caring too much about pixels it gets weird..
What one person considers good-natured banter another might consider toxic, which is currently the problem here.
@@xkcloud it is litterally not that hard. What I think is funny is funny and what you think is funny is not funny. It is litterally that simple.
@@gispry
That is so toxic.
@@gispryPeak Bias Hypocrite Narcisist
War?
I am afraid that bigger picture (heh pun) the drama here may have a negative impact on Vedal from the side of his peers. Hopefully not.
Thankfully it didn’t have a negative impact on vedal
If Ironmoose wants something specific to be drawn on her canvas, she can just protect some areas from editing. It's her canvas. It makes no sense for her to be this disrespectful...
Disrespectful?! 🤣🤣🤦 If you think this was disrespectful you clearly live sheltered little life and need to touch grass more often.
Skill issue
Aww the Connor and mouse drawing is gone 😢
its back
i think the sisters can be funny and i like vedal but sometimes the swarm can be insufferable, if it means showing support to them they will shove their way into anything no matter the protests.
Nah
I am begging you guys please don't be weird about this. You will inevitably make people associate Neuro with your insane behavior.
Yeah wouldn't want people to think the people parasocially obsessed with an AI that has, on multiple occasions, talked about eliminating the human race, are crazy.
you already got a couple of weirdos here lol
@@Jaramass To be fair, the way Mouse put it is pretty weird already. And it kind of unilaterally tries to put the swarm in a bad light, which is not cool.
@@imyergranpaTake a look at the other comments on this video and say shes wrong
@@apexgear2340 she's wrong.
I'm not against it but then we'll have to ruin vshojo faces and puppy which is also sad 😔
I really admire how open minded this feisty latina is.. She's feisty sometimes, but really calm and considerate sometimes *hats down*
It will be changes, but only neuro changes 🫡