Used old footage from the “gambling replacing tobacco” pressing issues completely forgetting that there were examples of the weaponised adverts used as examples in that video. Just when I was doing so well 🤣
In the 4 years of watching F1 before tobacco advertising left, a 9 year old me knew more tobacco brands purely from the F1 car liveries than any other sponsor in F1: Marlboro, West, Mild Seven, Benson & Hedges, Gauloises. Absolutely mental to think about it.
Don't forget Lucky Strike, 555, Winfield, Rothmans, Gitanes, Viceroy, Camel, etc.. The question I would argue is if you smoke? I've watched motor racing for decades and never had a desire to.
@@scottmiller1531 how could I forget lucky strike!? The rest were a little before my time watching but nonetheless iconic. Funny thing you mention that because I’ve never smoked in my life nor ever had the appeal to.
@@MinimumGroundTime I'll forgive you forgetting the BAR team 😉 especially since they were dreadful. The irony is that so many beautiful liveries came from that era, the JPS Lotuses, the West McLarens, the Rothmans Williams's. Heck, McLaren was in the doldrums in 1980, before being reorganized in '81, bringing Ron Dennis's Project 4 (hence the MP4 designations thereafter) in from F2. A union heavily influenced by Marlboro.
@@scottmiller1531 I loved the 2006 Lucky Strike Honda livery with its off white and it had a bit more of a design going for it. But yeah, other than 2006 you're right, all the other Lucky Strike liveries were rubbish to be honest.
7:10 "I think my Dad was at that race you know"... for a split second I thought the Ladbrokes advert was going to be a flashback to a childhood memory from you.
China uses slave labor AND is partaking in open genocide so yeah, F1 doesn't actually give a shit. It's why their #WeRaceAsOne campaign is complete posturing BS too
Sidenote here: Although Chapman was the one who made the "moving bilboards" thing cool with the other boys, he was not the originator of this idea. Actually this idea was from a small privateer from Rhodesia (today's Zimbabwe) - John Love, who had his privately owned Brabham BT20 (as well as an LDS-Repco car for Sam Tingle) painted in the colors of the Gunston tobacco company for the South African GP, which was held on 1 January 1968 (yes, Formula One's season opener was held on New Year's Day at some point). The Lady Wigram Trophy - the event in which Chapman introduced the Gold Leaf livery, was held less than 3 weeks later. So basically John Love is F1's (and by extension the motorsport world) unsung hero - the one who kickstarted the trend of sponsorhip liveries in motorsport.
The Ferrari ‘mission winnow’ on the rear wing is by Phillip Morris company who owns Marlboro. McLaren are sponsored by British American Tobacco with ‘a better tomorrow’
As you mentioned Alcohol Sponsorships... True Facts : I the USA in the NASCAR Series.... the then WINSTON CUP ( Tobacco ) ... Richard Petty was forbidden by his Mother to have any alcohol sponsorship on his car. .... where others had the “BUD” car or the “MILLER” car ... Richard Petty had to find sponsors elsewhere... and that pretty much began his STP days
I never smoked cigarettes, but the tobacco advert on the cars was iconic. You see a brand and you have to think on the f1 Team. Unfortunatly we will never see it again. Ferrari Marlboro, Mclaren Marlboro /West, Williams Rothmans/Camel, Lotus JPS, Benetton Camel /Mild Seven, Jordan Benson and Hedges and more and more. Good times. 😊
You know, that's something I just noticed. I almost never see cigarette ads on TV or in Racing anymore, but alcohol is A-OK as long as it doesn't show people drinking it.
The BIG difference is that RJR was the sole exclusive tobacco sponsor for Nascar, hence the lack of other brands on the teams (skoal bandit & camel are RJR brands). It actually saved them from tobacco addiction unlike F1 and Indycar.
You should do an episode on Kyle Busch's 2015 Sprint Cup winning season. He broke both his legs a day before the season opener at Daytona, had to miss the first 3 months of the season and confined to a wheelchair, returned to racing 2 days before having his now 5½ year old son Brexton and won the Sprint Cup after going on a winning streak
In the 1970's, the BBC commentators often referred to the Lotus cars as "JPS Lotus". Jackie Stewart was notorious for it when he did the commentaries on the British GPs along with Murray Walker.
What I've never understood is, once tobacco wasn't around much anymore, why didn't other industries just pick up the slack? Huge brands like Coca-Cola or UPS have the resources to chuck money to fund whole teams and pay for the fastest drivers available, like tobacco used to, but they choose to take on much smaller deals instead. Even modern title sponsors like Petronas don't really compare. Is it just because they're in more "legitimate" industries and don't need the PR?
By the time tobacco was banned, social media was becoming more of a thing, and big business saw more dollar signs in advertising on Facebook, etc vs racing. This has affected both F1 and NASCAR and I will venture even further to say that “pay drivers” are a new phenomenon to NASCAR due to the backlash they receive and NASCAR’s overall decline in popularity
Still kind of wild to think Ferrari and McLaren managed to sneak tobacco ads on their cars. If you don't know about the McLaren one, look for "a better tomorrow". That's a British American Tobacco ad.
@@AidanMillward No matter the circunstances, the old guard and new viewers will always support you. Thinkind about advertising in sports. Probably motorsports were some years ahead of football. I don´t recall exactly but the first ad's on football shirts were seen in, mid 70's perhaps (thinking about Europe, in South America probablly early 80's)
Rio Haryanto didn't crash his car all that often. He just finished dead last on most grand prix 😅 I did miss the Tobacco advertising, because they has always been iconic, Black Gold JPS, Marlboro Chevron, Yellow Benson & Hedges, Rothmans, West McLaren. And let's face it, they made the grid very vibrant, unlike now where you have 50 shades of blue to differentiate the teams.
Not to mention NASCAR's Cup series being sponsored by Winston (along with the Talladega 500 mile race and several bonuses) and Penske being backed by Marlboro for most of the 1990s.
Could we get a video/podcast on how the FIA polices the teams with regards to things like the budget cap, wind tunnel testing time, and development only happening on parts of the car where the tokens are spent? Every team pushes the rule book to the limit, and I imagine these areas are exploited by them whenever possible. Thanks for the great content!
There was a time i lost interest in F1, mainly after Mika Häkkinen left, but i can still almost recall all of the liveries with tobacco logos, as demonstrated in the background driving, West, Marlboro in red, luckies in white and red, the iconic john player in black and gold, and even the benson & hedges livery , not that i want them back or anything but they were so iconic
Used old footage from the “gambling replacing tobacco” pressing issues completely forgetting that there were examples of the weaponised adverts used as examples in that video. On ya for getting that far tho 🤣
19:55 McLaren still have sponsoring by British American Tobacco through the "Better Tomorrow" Logo, kinda like Ferrari's Mission Winnow 20:34 If I remember correctly, Niki Lauda started as a pay driver. 21:33 For a while I thought energy drinks would fill that gap, but even if we have Redbull and Monster as a minor Mercedes sponsor, it didn't work as well I guess. Also I lived in the south of France in the early 2000. At the time, tobacco advertising was already heavily restricted if not banned. Imagine my surprise one day when I went to Monaco and saw a giant billboard with the Marlboro cowboy on it. It was like travelling through time or in an alternate reality.
Ah Aiden's watched Tom Scott's videos re: product placement. It's a fascinating minefield. They've also blurrd things out on UK TV. Tom Scott went into infinitely more detail on it. Far as censored cigarette liveries, the R? was run in France initially not Britain in 1997. I forget if it was ran in 1996. Also re: videogames: The N64 F1 World Grand Prix games had some amazingly good ways around it. Curiously, there were indie games that flouted that (ZX Sectrum games) and Wizard Software's F1 (unliensed, IIRC) game had full on sponsors. Also, forget who said it, but it was said a while ago, verything unhealthy made the best liveries. Looking at you, Rothmans liveries.
1 dislike? Guess it's the same guy with his precious photos. I've always been under the impression that the owner of a photo is the one owning the premises where the photos were taken. Forex if you take a photo in the o2 arena, it's actually o2 arena that owns em photoes. Like if you come to my place to take photos, i'd own them so why wouldn't the tracks own the photos taken in the paddoc etc? Anycase thanks Aidan for bringing back this series. love it even though i hate the tobacco sensorship, as now there are talks of "cost caps" for someone barred the moneyflow from coming in...
I mean if they're just visual aides and all that...seriously the guy got all copyright abusive over image files he knowingly submitted to the Internet, actually thinking about it, a lot of people in the photo side of F1 are just CONVINCED they own a jpeg they put on the Internet. Clownery...
So glad you are back doing this. Cheers. Are you pushing it out on RSS as an audio podcast, It having podcast in the name? That would be brilliant if so? Many thanks.
Can you make a video about driving styles? it would be useful to see every driver's style explained (especially Alonso) and I would find that interesting
Oh Coronation St! My British grandparents watched it religiously and so does my mom since the last ~25 years. It's funny how us North Americans pronounce it 'Corn-ation' and you, like my grandparents properly pronounce it 'car-in-ation'. Just brought about a little nostalgia for grandma and granddad!
After listening for 2 minutes of rambling I was about to down vote it but it was quite good and long enough to excuse the 2 minutes at the start... Great job!
Honestly, I miss tobacco advertising in F1. So many brilliant liveries came out of it - Mild Seven Renault, Rothmans Williams, Benson and Hedges Jordan, JPS Lotus, Lucky Strike Honda (2006), Marlboro McLaren/Ferrari etc. I've never had the urge to smoke because I know that it's unhealthy. Not even once.
A 'Four cigarette' length video on some of the most iconic liveries ever raced. The _Kool_ cigarette car in green and white was awesome. I just can't remember what team ran it!
Q&A is an excellent idea! Btw, how did you know I'm eating cheese on toast whilst listening to this...? Thanks for the "wallpaper" for this one - still fun playing 'ID the corner'. Top work, as ever! edit - though why the Coral ad? Am confuddled!
By the way, there is another tobacco company still in F1: British American Tobacco. They sponsor McLaren. The A Better Tomorrow, Vuze and Velo logos are theirs. Velo being a nicotine brand, Vuze being a vape brand and A Better Tomorrow being... A soulless slogan, a bit like Mission Winnow.
This is similar to NASCAR becoming Cup and having Winston sponsor the whole sport in 1972 and others like Skoal on the car or the like and paid big bucks since in what was considred athletic sports and semi--athletic events Tabaco was ban in guess what 1972, then same exact time with the banning of Tobacco ads. They cut out in 1999 before the ban in 2002 when most of the USA States ban the cars with the Tabacco Ads on them. One car was sponsored in 2002 or 2003 by a brand of candy sticks (candy Cigarettes as they were known before 1995) that looked too much like the Free Spirit brand of Cigarettes, so he had to drop the brands logo for another candy the company makes the following week, easy fix even if not using shrink wrap at the time which most in NASCAR Cup were using Shrink Wrap as was most top car racing series by this point.
Can you do one on the 6 wheelers that never were and why. We all know about the tyrell (sp) but you don’t hear much about the March, Williams and Ferrari 6 wheelers. Oh and something on the Phoenix GP that looked like it was held in a concrete car park. Ta
I always thought it was weird that alcohol logos were allowed and tobacco companies were not. Mostly because of drink driving and such. I’m not really bothered about it now, but the younger me was a bit confused at the time.
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>Tabbaco ban, switch to V8s then V6s, jump to cable all happen at the same time >people think the drop in racing quality and viewership are all because of one single piece of this Honestly the V8 era would have turned into a similar "one team always wins unless a driver on another team manages to be a better driver or just lucky" like we see in the V6 era, it would just be Red Bull winning rather then Mercedes, and people would be pretending Red Bull's lead driver was the GOAT rather then just lucky enough to be the lead driver of the dominant car after the Great Recession's shakeup of the industry wore off. If we want competitive racing again frankly the best that could be done would be to go back to the V10s or even V12s, stop pretending road relevance matters (it never has since while some technologies have jumped into the market the FIA banned just about everything the 90s produced that could have become road relevant today) and most importantly have the annual rule changes actually reflect those of previous eras of domination. Ferrari didn't have a 3 year period of bouncing between having the best car, then worst competitive car, then best car again because the FIA was playing nice with them, and while I doubt it's because of favouritism (Red Bull coming out as the dominate V8 team seems to indicate that below V10s the FIA simply can't manage), Mercedes simply hasn't had to face such rule changes, which is how they've managed to go 7 straight seasons with the best car winning races with drivers who, in that time, have had talent comparable to Jacques Villeneuves.
@@AidanMillward It certainly plays a disproportionate part of it given he had the V8 era turning into a Red Bull dominated one when the shake up after the Great Recession was starting to wear off, and the V6 era has had 7 years, going on 8 of Mercedes having the undisputed dominate car shows it's certainly one of the, if not the single, largest issue. Granted the rules seem to finally be starting to have an effect what with Max's superior abilities to Lewis seeing both at about the same pace as the other, but this is the type of thing we should have seen in 2015 or at worst 2016 like we saw in previous eras rather then 7 years to reach, and right before a major rule change that's about to see a de facto new era begin for the series. The first V6 era was and is an unmitigated disaster for the sport, the only silver lining is that from the looks of it most F1 fans seem to be aware of the fact that Mercedes' engineers are the true winners of it all and a slow but growing awareness that the V8 era continuing to today would have probably ended up as badly. Still, even if next year's rulesets do shake things up as intended, it'll take a long time to undo the damage done by this era. Spec series like IndyCar and Super Formula shouldn't be fighting each other for the title of the best open wheel racing in the world with F1 nowhere in sight, that's just isn't right.
If Hamilton is so bad then how did he win 2008 and nearly 2007 despite those being his first 2 years in f1? He also had the reigning double world champion as a teammate in 07, the reigning champion as a teammate in 2010 and the same champion in 2011 and 12, and to this day has never failed to win a race in any season he has partaken in, merc or no merc, v8 or v6 era; furthermore, in his 14 full seasons of f1 he has only been beaten by a teammate twice; once to jenson and once to rosberg in his championship year when he peaked as an f1 driver
Also it's one thing to get a dominant car, another thing entirely to keep it so for multiple years; and so vettel, webber, Hamilton and rosberg are often not rated nearly as highly as they should be, as it is ultimately the drivers' feedback that dictates the general direction development takes, and if a ship's rudder points in the wrong direction, it won't get where it needs to go by using the bow propeller to steer
Also did red bull not bounce from dominant season to closely contested title? Did merc not get challenged by ferrari 2017 and 18, who were held back mostly by strategy and drivers in the back ends of their careers, and certainly past their heydays, and not at all due to the car?
Are there any plans to expand the 'what if' projects? What if James Hunt kept his shit together after 1976? What if FISA/FOCA didn't have a big spat? What if Bertron Gachos never had that fight with a taxi driver?
I’m not sure if this is true or not but hey if you’re doing open floor Questions soon it’s worth asking. Did Chapmans gold leaf deal end up inspiring sponsorship from other sports? Such as Jaegermeister being the first company to have their logo printed on a football teams shirt?
Advertising across the pond is so weird. Jack Campbell got a Shutout for us (The Leafs) and the NHL tweeted 'Jack Campbell's Pepsi Shutout'. Be like Jack Grealish getting an assist and the PL saying 'Jack Grealishes great Carling assist.
I understand the need to distance themselves from tobacco advertising since its a health thing but i mean the same companies still sponsor the same teams they just put their vape brand or some PR stunt instead so like might as well have kept the tobacco advertising for the beautiful liveries (not to say there haven’t been beautiful non tobacco related liveries but majority if not all of the old liveries that are iconic had tobacco branding)
You didn't say WHY Chapman hit on the idea of ciggie advertising on his cars - and why the ciggie companies were keen to oblige. There are two reasons. Because, cigarette advertising on TV came to an end in 1966, the tobacco companies were looking for new ways to advertise their products. Secondly, Chapman and Lotus had been racing in the Indy series in the US and had seen how much more lucrative their motor sport was because of the sponsorship that had been part of the American scene from the very beginning.
If tobacco advertising is banned, why is alcohol & energy drink advertising allowed? So many people die each year while drink driving, and energy drinks kill many people through heart attacks, yet, not a peep from anyone.
Doesn’t McLaren also have a cigarette company sponsor similar to Ferrari. Isn’t the rainbow on the side of their car associated with BAT and A Better Tomorrow?
Used old footage from the “gambling replacing tobacco” pressing issues completely forgetting that there were examples of the weaponised adverts used as examples in that video.
Just when I was doing so well 🤣
Ray Winston's lawyers will be in touch.
@@michaelkitchin9665 you slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
I still saw ads
Yeah, I was like WTF? no it's still Aidan talking... relax...it's not the browser...
Where's your tool?
It's funny how the liveries that are illegal in the modern day are some of the most iconic
It's because we know we won't see them again as well as being the iconic liveries being associated with winning cars.
In the 4 years of watching F1 before tobacco advertising left, a 9 year old me knew more tobacco brands purely from the F1 car liveries than any other sponsor in F1: Marlboro, West, Mild Seven, Benson & Hedges, Gauloises. Absolutely mental to think about it.
Don't forget Lucky Strike, 555, Winfield, Rothmans, Gitanes, Viceroy, Camel, etc.. The question I would argue is if you smoke? I've watched motor racing for decades and never had a desire to.
@@scottmiller1531 how could I forget lucky strike!? The rest were a little before my time watching but nonetheless iconic. Funny thing you mention that because I’ve never smoked in my life nor ever had the appeal to.
@@MinimumGroundTime I'll forgive you forgetting the BAR team 😉 especially since they were dreadful. The irony is that so many beautiful liveries came from that era, the JPS Lotuses, the West McLarens, the Rothmans Williams's. Heck, McLaren was in the doldrums in 1980, before being reorganized in '81, bringing Ron Dennis's Project 4 (hence the MP4 designations thereafter) in from F2. A union heavily influenced by Marlboro.
I only knew about the West brand because of F1, don't think I ever actually saw a packet of them.
@@scottmiller1531 I loved the 2006 Lucky Strike Honda livery with its off white and it had a bit more of a design going for it. But yeah, other than 2006 you're right, all the other Lucky Strike liveries were rubbish to be honest.
7:10 "I think my Dad was at that race you know"... for a split second I thought the Ladbrokes advert was going to be a flashback to a childhood memory from you.
Liveries from tobacco companies? Banned!
Racing in countries that use slave labor(Looking at you Qatar...)? Why not!?
F1 Logic everyone...
FIA wanted some of the money but couldn't get it. So they did it themselves xd
If you look at illegal age sex, and ‘home helps’ as labour, racing wouldn’t occur anywhere.
F1 still sponsored by alcohol. Makes total sense
China uses slave labor AND is partaking in open genocide so yeah, F1 doesn't actually give a shit. It's why their #WeRaceAsOne campaign is complete posturing BS too
@@SpeedRacer_IRL yeah, a shame
I would be no-showing quite a few rounds if I was in F1
Sidenote here: Although Chapman was the one who made the "moving bilboards" thing cool with the other boys, he was not the originator of this idea. Actually this idea was from a small privateer from Rhodesia (today's Zimbabwe) - John Love, who had his privately owned Brabham BT20 (as well as an LDS-Repco car for Sam Tingle) painted in the colors of the Gunston tobacco company for the South African GP, which was held on 1 January 1968 (yes, Formula One's season opener was held on New Year's Day at some point). The Lady Wigram Trophy - the event in which Chapman introduced the Gold Leaf livery, was held less than 3 weeks later. So basically John Love is F1's (and by extension the motorsport world) unsung hero - the one who kickstarted the trend of sponsorhip liveries in motorsport.
Miss the old tobacco liveries, all beautiful cars from the 90s, early 00’s, so good to look at
The Ferrari ‘mission winnow’ on the rear wing is by Phillip Morris company who owns Marlboro.
McLaren are sponsored by British American Tobacco with ‘a better tomorrow’
A Better Tomorrow and a wide variety of other companies*
As you mentioned Alcohol Sponsorships... True Facts : I the USA in the NASCAR Series.... the then WINSTON CUP ( Tobacco ) ... Richard Petty was forbidden by his Mother to have any alcohol sponsorship on his car. .... where others had the “BUD” car or the “MILLER” car ... Richard Petty had to find sponsors elsewhere... and that pretty much began his STP days
Bernie deserves a podcast. Completely ruthless and he did so many underhand deals and fiddles u could even get a series out of him!
Getting him to actually admit to any of it would be a huge challenge
@@ahogg5960 I've often thought that an AWFUL lot will come out from under the floorboards when Bernie shuffles off this mortal coil.
I appreciate the regular story time related stuff, genuinely some of my favourite relaxing content on youtube
Some of the best racing content on the platform. Should have far more than 64k subs Aidan!
I never smoked cigarettes, but the tobacco advert on the cars was iconic. You see a brand and you have to think on the f1 Team. Unfortunatly we will never see it again.
Ferrari Marlboro, Mclaren Marlboro /West, Williams Rothmans/Camel, Lotus JPS, Benetton Camel /Mild Seven, Jordan Benson and Hedges and more and more. Good times. 😊
Aidan, that's not all, NASCAR also was big into tobacco money.. RJ Reynolds' Winston brand sponsored the Cup Series from 1971-2003
Skoal Bandit car
You know, that's something I just noticed. I almost never see cigarette ads on TV or in Racing anymore, but alcohol is A-OK as long as it doesn't show people drinking it.
The BIG difference is that RJR was the sole exclusive tobacco sponsor for Nascar, hence the lack of other brands on the teams (skoal bandit & camel are RJR brands). It actually saved them from tobacco addiction unlike F1 and Indycar.
Winston was also an early sponsor of the Fred Flintstone cartoons. The old footage will elicit much cynical laughter.
You should do an episode on Kyle Busch's 2015 Sprint Cup winning season. He broke both his legs a day before the season opener at Daytona, had to miss the first 3 months of the season and confined to a wheelchair, returned to racing 2 days before having his now 5½ year old son Brexton and won the Sprint Cup after going on a winning streak
thank you for making podcast versions, please remember to upload them to the podcast platforms.
I’m not forgetting. This one is scheduled to go up to Spotify on Monday.
@@AidanMillward thnkyou for the reply, you will make my workdays even more enjoyable. thank you for your content ::: :
“The non-championship Race of Champions.“ Oh the irony. 😂
Actually, there's a potential podcast episode right there 😉
In the 1970's, the BBC commentators often referred to the Lotus cars as "JPS Lotus". Jackie Stewart was notorious for it when he did the commentaries on the British GPs along with Murray Walker.
That switch to real adverts at 7:00 real spun me out. We have very similar adverts right now here in Australia....
Yeah, used old footage from an old video to do with gambling sites replacing cig companies. Today forgot that is put those gambling ads in. 🤣
What I've never understood is, once tobacco wasn't around much anymore, why didn't other industries just pick up the slack? Huge brands like Coca-Cola or UPS have the resources to chuck money to fund whole teams and pay for the fastest drivers available, like tobacco used to, but they choose to take on much smaller deals instead. Even modern title sponsors like Petronas don't really compare.
Is it just because they're in more "legitimate" industries and don't need the PR?
By the time tobacco was banned, social media was becoming more of a thing, and big business saw more dollar signs in advertising on Facebook, etc vs racing. This has affected both F1 and NASCAR and I will venture even further to say that “pay drivers” are a new phenomenon to NASCAR due to the backlash they receive and NASCAR’s overall decline in popularity
Still kind of wild to think Ferrari and McLaren managed to sneak tobacco ads on their cars. If you don't know about the McLaren one, look for "a better tomorrow". That's a British American Tobacco ad.
Two videos in very few hours. Wonderful day!!!! Thanks Aidan!!! All the best in this Old-New venture!!
If only the previous one was under better circumstances. 😩
@@AidanMillward No matter the circunstances, the old guard and new viewers will always support you. Thinkind about advertising in sports. Probably motorsports were some years ahead of football. I don´t recall exactly but the first ad's on football shirts were seen in, mid 70's perhaps (thinking about Europe, in South America probablly early 80's)
Your investment in racing history is epic. Keep it coming!
Would love a story time on F1 1999. HHF almost winning it all is my favorite F1 story
Much underrated driver.
Frentzen was such a complicated driver. Was amazing in 1999 & 2000. But the rest of his seasons were all mediocre
@@FormulaOneFan98 Kinda the same with Villeneuve. 1996-1999 he was great, after that he fell from grace
The Bring Back V10s podcast did an episode on it. All their stuff is great 👍
@@EddieVanAidan I started listening to them based on your recommendation. They’re awesome
I'm glad to see this series come back. I always looked forward to a new episode each week.
Rio Haryanto didn't crash his car all that often. He just finished dead last on most grand prix 😅
I did miss the Tobacco advertising, because they has always been iconic, Black Gold JPS, Marlboro Chevron, Yellow Benson & Hedges, Rothmans, West McLaren. And let's face it, they made the grid very vibrant, unlike now where you have 50 shades of blue to differentiate the teams.
Not to mention NASCAR's Cup series being sponsored by Winston (along with the Talladega 500 mile race and several bonuses) and Penske being backed by Marlboro for most of the 1990s.
Absolutely love it but what about Mclaren’s use of Vuse e-cig logos on the driver halo the past few seasons
Cheers Aiden! Hope all is well! Another great Series!!
It’s the same series as before, just repackaged.
Could we get a video/podcast on how the FIA polices the teams with regards to things like the budget cap, wind tunnel testing time, and development only happening on parts of the car where the tokens are spent? Every team pushes the rule book to the limit, and I imagine these areas are exploited by them whenever possible. Thanks for the great content!
There was a time i lost interest in F1, mainly after Mika Häkkinen left, but i can still almost recall all of the liveries with tobacco logos, as demonstrated in the background driving, West, Marlboro in red, luckies in white and red, the iconic john player in black and gold, and even the benson & hedges livery , not that i want them back or anything but they were so iconic
The sentences are so much similar to the original version! I’m loving this podcast
Just when we needed him most he returned
But u have a beagle? That should be enough!!
Thanks Aidan. Really enjoying these new podcast versions. Have a happy Easter weekend.
I love this history videos. The liveries from that years are so iconic. Simple but effective!
7:16 why a william hill ad showed up?😂
Used old footage from the “gambling replacing tobacco” pressing issues completely forgetting that there were examples of the weaponised adverts used as examples in that video.
On ya for getting that far tho 🤣
@@AidanMillward Oh ok😅, Thanks i really enjoy the podcast
19:55 McLaren still have sponsoring by British American Tobacco through the "Better Tomorrow" Logo, kinda like Ferrari's Mission Winnow
20:34 If I remember correctly, Niki Lauda started as a pay driver.
21:33 For a while I thought energy drinks would fill that gap, but even if we have Redbull and Monster as a minor Mercedes sponsor, it didn't work as well I guess.
Also I lived in the south of France in the early 2000. At the time, tobacco advertising was already heavily restricted if not banned. Imagine my surprise one day when I went to Monaco and saw a giant billboard with the Marlboro cowboy on it. It was like travelling through time or in an alternate reality.
The Q&A seems like a great idea Aidan also Rockstar would be the video game company answer.
Ah Aiden's watched Tom Scott's videos re: product placement. It's a fascinating minefield. They've also blurrd things out on UK TV. Tom Scott went into infinitely more detail on it. Far as censored cigarette liveries, the R? was run in France initially not Britain in 1997. I forget if it was ran in 1996.
Also re: videogames: The N64 F1 World Grand Prix games had some amazingly good ways around it. Curiously, there were indie games that flouted that (ZX Sectrum games) and Wizard Software's F1 (unliensed, IIRC) game had full on sponsors.
Also, forget who said it, but it was said a while ago, verything unhealthy made the best liveries. Looking at you, Rothmans liveries.
1 dislike? Guess it's the same guy with his precious photos. I've always been under the impression that the owner of a photo is the one owning the premises where the photos were taken. Forex if you take a photo in the o2 arena, it's actually o2 arena that owns em photoes. Like if you come to my place to take photos, i'd own them so why wouldn't the tracks own the photos taken in the paddoc etc?
Anycase thanks Aidan for bringing back this series. love it even though i hate the tobacco sensorship, as now there are talks of "cost caps" for someone barred the moneyflow from coming in...
I mean if they're just visual aides and all that...seriously the guy got all copyright abusive over image files he knowingly submitted to the Internet, actually thinking about it, a lot of people in the photo side of F1 are just CONVINCED they own a jpeg they put on the Internet.
Clownery...
Love watching the footage from sim while listening :)
Hope this hits my podcast app of choice soon. Spotify podcasts have just never worked quite right for me
All the best liveries were tobacco brands. A sad loss to the sport along with V8 v10 etc...
Listened to it as part of Story Time and it was good. This is also good. Keep up with the work! ☺👍
Enjoyed the video, can't wait for the next episode.
So glad you are back doing this. Cheers. Are you pushing it out on RSS as an audio podcast, It having podcast in the name? That would be brilliant if so? Many thanks.
Can you make a video about driving styles? it would be useful to see every driver's style explained (especially Alonso) and I would find that interesting
Really loving these vids
Oh Coronation St! My British grandparents watched it religiously and so does my mom since the last ~25 years. It's funny how us North Americans pronounce it 'Corn-ation' and you, like my grandparents properly pronounce it 'car-in-ation'. Just brought about a little nostalgia for grandma and granddad!
After listening for 2 minutes of rambling I was about to down vote it but it was quite good and long enough to excuse the 2 minutes at the start... Great job!
Honestly, I miss tobacco advertising in F1. So many brilliant liveries came out of it - Mild Seven Renault, Rothmans Williams, Benson and Hedges Jordan, JPS Lotus, Lucky Strike Honda (2006), Marlboro McLaren/Ferrari etc.
I've never had the urge to smoke because I know that it's unhealthy. Not even once.
A 'Four cigarette' length video on some of the most iconic liveries ever raced. The _Kool_ cigarette car in green and white was awesome. I just can't remember what team ran it!
That was in CART in the 1990's. Awesome livery!
Team Kool Green - Paul Tracy drove that car lots.
I just realized the best cig livery I saw was the Barclay Arrows of the 80s
I don't know much about tobacco f1 liveries but they do look nice.
Tobacco-backed liveries are so iconic to me that I want to wrap my scooter in Marlboro red color.
That awkward moment when Ferrari is STILL running a tobacco advertisement...
McLaren too.
Q&A is an excellent idea! Btw, how did you know I'm eating cheese on toast whilst listening to this...? Thanks for the "wallpaper" for this one - still fun playing 'ID the corner'. Top work, as ever!
edit - though why the Coral ad? Am confuddled!
It was reused lap footage from when I did the could betting replace cigs video, and I forgot I’d used examples of those ads in the video.
By the way, there is another tobacco company still in F1: British American Tobacco. They sponsor McLaren. The A Better Tomorrow, Vuze and Velo logos are theirs. Velo being a nicotine brand, Vuze being a vape brand and A Better Tomorrow being... A soulless slogan, a bit like Mission Winnow.
A Better Tomorrow is also a great Chow-Yun Fat movie directed by John Woo.
I remember going to a NASCAR race in the 1980s when Winston sponsored the series and they were handing out free cigarettes
This is similar to NASCAR becoming Cup and having Winston sponsor the whole sport in 1972 and others like Skoal on the car or the like and paid big bucks since in what was considred athletic sports and semi--athletic events Tabaco was ban in guess what 1972, then same exact time with the banning of Tobacco ads. They cut out in 1999 before the ban in 2002 when most of the USA States ban the cars with the Tabacco Ads on them. One car was sponsored in 2002 or 2003 by a brand of candy sticks (candy Cigarettes as they were known before 1995) that looked too much like the Free Spirit brand of Cigarettes, so he had to drop the brands logo for another candy the company makes the following week, easy fix even if not using shrink wrap at the time which most in NASCAR Cup were using Shrink Wrap as was most top car racing series by this point.
Great timing... currently trying to kick the habit
Well, Stewart never raced in a tobacco-liveried F1 car. But he did in 1970 in the L&M sponsored Can-Am Lola T260.
when I started smoking back in 2008 I chose jps because I loved there livery so much and thought they was the best brand and it kinda stayed with me
I like the new format
I would go to a shop, look at the packets on the wall and would just name racing teams. Rothmans-porsche. Marlboro-mclaren. 555-subaru.
5:20 dave is the goat
Marlboro: *laughs in Mission Winnow*
Can you do one on the 6 wheelers that never were and why. We all know about the tyrell (sp) but you don’t hear much about the March, Williams and Ferrari 6 wheelers. Oh and something on the Phoenix GP that looked like it was held in a concrete car park. Ta
Aidan, your description says you’re using a Thrustmaster wheel. I thought I saw a fanatec formula rim in your Bathhurst stream?
It’s a thrustmaster rim with fanatec product placement for the pedals on it.
I always thought it was weird that alcohol logos were allowed and tobacco companies were not. Mostly because of drink driving and such. I’m not really bothered about it now, but the younger me was a bit confused at the time.
Just imagine how big the grid could be if an F1 season for £1,500,000 today!
excellent podcast
Could you do history's of current teams cause I would like to know at what point McLaren became British
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren
If you notice carefully, in 1997 Ferrari changed from Ferrari red to Malboro red. And they still are today.
And now there are movements to ban alcohol too. Some people never learn!
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What platform can I find your podcast on?
>Tabbaco ban, switch to V8s then V6s, jump to cable all happen at the same time
>people think the drop in racing quality and viewership are all because of one single piece of this
Honestly the V8 era would have turned into a similar "one team always wins unless a driver on another team manages to be a better driver or just lucky" like we see in the V6 era, it would just be Red Bull winning rather then Mercedes, and people would be pretending Red Bull's lead driver was the GOAT rather then just lucky enough to be the lead driver of the dominant car after the Great Recession's shakeup of the industry wore off. If we want competitive racing again frankly the best that could be done would be to go back to the V10s or even V12s, stop pretending road relevance matters (it never has since while some technologies have jumped into the market the FIA banned just about everything the 90s produced that could have become road relevant today) and most importantly have the annual rule changes actually reflect those of previous eras of domination. Ferrari didn't have a 3 year period of bouncing between having the best car, then worst competitive car, then best car again because the FIA was playing nice with them, and while I doubt it's because of favouritism (Red Bull coming out as the dominate V8 team seems to indicate that below V10s the FIA simply can't manage), Mercedes simply hasn't had to face such rule changes, which is how they've managed to go 7 straight seasons with the best car winning races with drivers who, in that time, have had talent comparable to Jacques Villeneuves.
Right. Because it’s just the engine that’s the issue.
@@AidanMillward It certainly plays a disproportionate part of it given he had the V8 era turning into a Red Bull dominated one when the shake up after the Great Recession was starting to wear off, and the V6 era has had 7 years, going on 8 of Mercedes having the undisputed dominate car shows it's certainly one of the, if not the single, largest issue. Granted the rules seem to finally be starting to have an effect what with Max's superior abilities to Lewis seeing both at about the same pace as the other, but this is the type of thing we should have seen in 2015 or at worst 2016 like we saw in previous eras rather then 7 years to reach, and right before a major rule change that's about to see a de facto new era begin for the series.
The first V6 era was and is an unmitigated disaster for the sport, the only silver lining is that from the looks of it most F1 fans seem to be aware of the fact that Mercedes' engineers are the true winners of it all and a slow but growing awareness that the V8 era continuing to today would have probably ended up as badly. Still, even if next year's rulesets do shake things up as intended, it'll take a long time to undo the damage done by this era. Spec series like IndyCar and Super Formula shouldn't be fighting each other for the title of the best open wheel racing in the world with F1 nowhere in sight, that's just isn't right.
If Hamilton is so bad then how did he win 2008 and nearly 2007 despite those being his first 2 years in f1?
He also had the reigning double world champion as a teammate in 07, the reigning champion as a teammate in 2010 and the same champion in 2011 and 12, and to this day has never failed to win a race in any season he has partaken in, merc or no merc, v8 or v6 era; furthermore, in his 14 full seasons of f1 he has only been beaten by a teammate twice; once to jenson and once to rosberg in his championship year when he peaked as an f1 driver
Also it's one thing to get a dominant car, another thing entirely to keep it so for multiple years; and so vettel, webber, Hamilton and rosberg are often not rated nearly as highly as they should be, as it is ultimately the drivers' feedback that dictates the general direction development takes, and if a ship's rudder points in the wrong direction, it won't get where it needs to go by using the bow propeller to steer
Also did red bull not bounce from dominant season to closely contested title?
Did merc not get challenged by ferrari 2017 and 18, who were held back mostly by strategy and drivers in the back ends of their careers, and certainly past their heydays, and not at all due to the car?
What's the betting adverts doing around 7:30? Not stylish.
Read the pinned comment...
@@AidanMillward understood - commented before reading. Otherwise, thanks for the stories. Keep up the good work.
Are there any plans to expand the 'what if' projects?
What if James Hunt kept his shit together after 1976?
What if FISA/FOCA didn't have a big spat?
What if Bertron Gachos never had that fight with a taxi driver?
one thing about when you mention the kfc zinger replay, that was in australia, not america
I just picked a product at random tbh.
Racing History PodCAAAAAAAAST!!!
When comes the episode on Spotify? I can't find it
A couple of days after it comes out here, as explained in the video.
Wasn't Diaper originally a brand name in the States?
I used to smoke Gaulois. I’m surprised I’m still alive. That was 40 years ago, though.
lucky for you Aidan I saw an ad for tobacco right out of the gate. Or I wouldve clicked down. *stabs out cigarette in palm*
John player special baby...
I’m not sure if this is true or not but hey if you’re doing open floor Questions soon it’s worth asking. Did Chapmans gold leaf deal end up inspiring sponsorship from other sports? Such as Jaegermeister being the first company to have their logo printed on a football teams shirt?
Update: Ferrari ran Mission Winnow at:
Bahrain
Imola
Portugal
(S)pain
Monaco
Azerbaijan
Russia
USA
Mexico
Brazil
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Abu Dhabi
Irony is so ironic
Will you still be making the 'What If?' series?
Hi Aiden hope your doing well will you keep the story time episodes on delete them and replaced the with the history podcast just wondering
Are we able to get the Eddie Jordan story back please?
“…than any of the other companies had individually paid ITV for-“
*cue TH-cam advert*
“…the privilege of advertising…”
Buzzin and Hornets
Advertising across the pond is so weird. Jack Campbell got a Shutout for us (The Leafs) and the NHL tweeted 'Jack Campbell's Pepsi Shutout'. Be like Jack Grealish getting an assist and the PL saying 'Jack Grealishes great Carling assist.
Also, BAT still sponsors McLaren through, A Better Tomorrow. I think anyway.
Unpopular opinion: I actually kind of like the ‘98 Williams livery.
I understand the need to distance themselves from tobacco advertising since its a health thing but i mean the same companies still sponsor the same teams they just put their vape brand or some PR stunt instead so like might as well have kept the tobacco advertising for the beautiful liveries
(not to say there haven’t been beautiful non tobacco related liveries but majority if not all of the old liveries that are iconic had tobacco branding)
You didn't say WHY Chapman hit on the idea of ciggie advertising on his cars - and why the ciggie companies were keen to oblige. There are two reasons. Because, cigarette advertising on TV came to an end in 1966, the tobacco companies were looking for new ways to advertise their products. Secondly, Chapman and Lotus had been racing in the Indy series in the US and had seen how much more lucrative their motor sport was because of the sponsorship that had been part of the American scene from the very beginning.
If tobacco advertising is banned, why is alcohol & energy drink advertising allowed? So many people die each year while drink driving, and energy drinks kill many people through heart attacks, yet, not a peep from anyone.
Doesn’t McLaren also have a cigarette company sponsor similar to Ferrari. Isn’t the rainbow on the side of their car associated with BAT and A Better Tomorrow?
The rainbow and A Better Tomorrow are separate.