I think Frog, Minsc, and Forth are all equally messed up, but Forth and Minsc are harder to kill and completely flip unwinnable board states. The opponent with no removal against your Frog with six cards to discard sure seems like it's more powerful, but otherwise it isn't as strong as Forth or Minsc would be in top deck wars or parity. Caleb: "People fall into the trap of looking at the last game to evaluate what is good or bad." Also Caleb: "Of course frog is better, did you not see the last game where it nullified a Minsc and Oko?"
You're remembering games you resolved a 4 drop vs a 2 drop. One of these is so much easier to get into play and get rolling easier. And yeah, like I said the fact that it bodies the 4 drop you invested a bunch of slots into powering out is pretty fucking ridiculous. That isn't a niche only happens once in a while thing that I'm overvaluing, frog is going to body minsc every time.
@@CalebDMTG I think you need to revise your argument because it doesn't really seem cohesive. I'm also just inclined to believe in your evaluation because you play loads more cube than me. I think you're missing the three cards you discarded to kill the Minsc (therefore requiring lots of resources). You're also missing there are just not as many outs to a Minsc. A single removal spell does effectively nothing to a Minsc but many can answer a Frog (including random fliers from Lingering Souls or whatever). The biggest point, I think, is that Minsc just breaks top deck wars in a way that Frog doesn't. If my opponent has Frog and I have Minsc, I will gladly trade resources knowing I have a recursive threat + burn + card draw and they have a 1/2 that flies and is must commit to gain advantage. Frog is cheaper though and still requires non-burn answers so I do concede that it is a much better threat when paired with lots of other threats like what is found in Delver. Ultimately, both cards are so fucked up and powerful that they all kind of fit into the broken non-power cards, order be damned 😂
I think Frog, Minsc, and Forth are all equally messed up, but Forth and Minsc are harder to kill and completely flip unwinnable board states.
The opponent with no removal against your Frog with six cards to discard sure seems like it's more powerful, but otherwise it isn't as strong as Forth or Minsc would be in top deck wars or parity.
Caleb: "People fall into the trap of looking at the last game to evaluate what is good or bad."
Also Caleb: "Of course frog is better, did you not see the last game where it nullified a Minsc and Oko?"
You're remembering games you resolved a 4 drop vs a 2 drop. One of these is so much easier to get into play and get rolling easier. And yeah, like I said the fact that it bodies the 4 drop you invested a bunch of slots into powering out is pretty fucking ridiculous. That isn't a niche only happens once in a while thing that I'm overvaluing, frog is going to body minsc every time.
@@CalebDMTG I think you need to revise your argument because it doesn't really seem cohesive. I'm also just inclined to believe in your evaluation because you play loads more cube than me.
I think you're missing the three cards you discarded to kill the Minsc (therefore requiring lots of resources). You're also missing there are just not as many outs to a Minsc. A single removal spell does effectively nothing to a Minsc but many can answer a Frog (including random fliers from Lingering Souls or whatever). The biggest point, I think, is that Minsc just breaks top deck wars in a way that Frog doesn't. If my opponent has Frog and I have Minsc, I will gladly trade resources knowing I have a recursive threat + burn + card draw and they have a 1/2 that flies and is must commit to gain advantage.
Frog is cheaper though and still requires non-burn answers so I do concede that it is a much better threat when paired with lots of other threats like what is found in Delver.
Ultimately, both cards are so fucked up and powerful that they all kind of fit into the broken non-power cards, order be damned 😂
Ggs ❤