We do need better mental health facilities. They closed many mental health hospitals , centers and residential facilities in every state in the US . Where do these individuals ( patients) go ? To the streets, when they are picked up by police ( if a crime small or big ) is committed. They put them in jail , let that sink in . They are locked up with minimal mental health care in a jail .
Since when have conservatives ever cared about that? Most believe the whole mental health profession is a crock, only use words like seek therapy to "own the libs and "wokies"".
I am a trans man living in Pakistan and I gotta say, even at its worst, the US discourse on this topic is a million times better than the Pakistani discourse.
@@SikanderG Unfortunately, having lived for years in a Muslim culture and having a very kind friend from Pakistan, there is a hypocrisy in ALL COUNTRIES who profess to care and respect ALL humanity and species. Politicians and Religious politics is essentially manipulative world 🌎 wide, ignoring the real medical and scientific facts-based evidence and Doctors.🥼
This about a case where a mother wanted her boy to be a girl. The child wants to be a boy. The father lost his parental rights. The mother is forcing this child to have the surgery. This ID why the father took it to the Supreme Court. This crap is Josef Mengale crap.
@@meabeck the right to cut off children's natural life stages appears to be adult imposed and not even in dispute with regards long term outcomes. Sans a few... Kids could never dream up this medical insanity, if they could it would never have been hidden all those decades. Prior to 2014 it wasnt a thing and if the massive change was due to acceptance every age group and demographic would have increased its cases..They haven't. White. Middle class Girls 12 to 30 are not across the board truth tellers of 1 identity that's for certain especially in that trans is not mutable based on the very definition.. it's a feeling..we must remember feelings are not facts! We don't perform medical treatments on healthy bodies due to a feeling! Full stop!
Yes. We absolutely had de jure discrimination. There were exceptions to medical insurance that specifically called out exempting trans healthcare. And this law is just another example of _de jure_ discrimination against trans people. How can you possibly argue there hasn’t been any de jure discrimination, when this law specifically discriminates against the class you’re asking about?!
The facts are the discriminants, differences in biology have non symmetrical injuries. Discrimination is a concept and fact of reality before it is a social malady. Objectively, discriminating allows differentiation and discernment. Is a necessary feature of logic.
There are all kinds of medical exemptions, why not list the ones you don;t like...maybe because the ones excluded hinge on needing to be able to consent and we know children can't do that...right?
@@chocomalkthere are no medical procedures whatsoever allowed for men but barred for women and vice versa. That is expressly illegal and was the position of the supreme Court only a few years ago. Stop being ridiculous.
@chocomalk so children need consent for other life saving care then? Will we block puberty for cis kids about to have an early puberty? Will we block breast tissue removal for cis boys having gynocemastia? No, yet thats still gender affirming care. It just happens to be convenient to keep people in line with expectations. If youre going to block that for us, we'll block you from the rest too.
Why isn’t Alito concerned about Veterans Suicide, Women Abused Suicide, parents dealing with poverty and bankruptcy suicide, Mental Health Suicides, Pharmaceutical induced Suicides?
Maybe instead of them worrying so much about trans kids and what them, their dr, and their therapist determines. Maybe they should be focusing all that energy on saving kids from sex trafficking and kidnappings... But i don't see people standing up for that as much
Actually, child safeguarding is the number one concern of people who protest chemical and surgical castration of children. Did you know “LGBT sanctuary laws” that encourage children to run away from home to California and other states to transition are causing a child sex trafficking issue? If you were familiar with the stories of those promoting the evidence-based psychotherapeutic approach to gender dysphoria, rather than the “gender affirming” (aka child castration) approach, you would be familiar with these sad stories and know that we do care about all those issues, both separately, and where they intersect (as they sometimes do unfortunately for gay/bisexual and other vulnerable youth).
I thought it shameful to hear her ask the Supreme Court to deny Tennessee the right to outlaw child mutilation within its own borders. The ban clearly applies equally to boys as it does to girls -- it doesn't discriminate on the basis of sex. All states should require doctors strive to First Do No Harm.
@@sophie20015 the "child mutilation" is a delusion and propaganda and people like you are falling right into it. Lawmakers need to LEAVE TRANS PEOPLE ALONE. They arent trying to protect anyone. It's all just a bigoted facade. Period.
I wish this young lawyer all the best in his case in the Supreme Court. It takes a lot of courage and professional expertise to do that. I hope you win this important case.
What a softball crap interview. Stangio was asked a whole series of questions by the justices that completely undermined her argument and you just ignored all of it.
Example? I didn't hear anything that undermined the argument that the law, on its face, has a sex-based classification. The state of TN even had to concede that when pressed by Jackson. Remember that that does *not* necessarily mean that the law is unconstitutional -- but rather that it should be subject to heightened scrutiny; and therefore should be sent back down to the Sixth Circuit to evaluate the law under that standard.
Amy why not let the audience listen to his response to the question at 16:30 versus having your guest interpret it. In the hearing he clearly explains what appreciation of sex and disdain means and how it is exactly spelled out in the law.
@@Will2K-001 Would you be able to expand on what you mean by "we see how that;s working out" how is it working out? Most kids seem alright the urban area I live in, so perhaps it's just your perception where you live?
“If” “gender” is a “social construct” then what is their argument? What are they fighting for. What’s more real? What they actually are or what they feel that they are? This is insanity.
The claim is that although what we consider "gender" is a social construct, there is also an innate "gender identity" within each of us. This was exposed during the oral arguments when Strangio attempted to argue that gender identity is an immutable characteristic but also that it can be changed due to those who identify as gender fluid, so not immutable. Gender ideology doesn't hold up well to rational scrutiny.
The assigned at birth language comes from the intersex community. It is trying to say that the Doctor isn't always right during this process. This is understandable because we don't do a bunch of tests or DNA sequencing. Doctors are only looking at the baby's phenotype and are assuming that the child's sex matches with their assessment of the phenotype. The Doctor is almost always right but sometimes they are wrong. The trans community uses this language to illustrate that ultimately the doctor isn't only prescribing a sex but also a gender. The gender assignment can also be incorrect.
D.N. is such a great ally and champion of civil rights. It would be very interesting to see if there is an intersectional group that places rights of trans and queer folk in alignment with overlapping socioeconomic issues that impact the poorest among us. how can we use identity, based on SES*, to unite ppl around their rights? how do marginalized ppl begin to be seen by working class voters as on the same page and in coalition for the same issues that impact poor families? I feel as though William Barber II and his Poor People's Campaign may have a good answer to that.
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system. Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING. Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries. ❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
Both parties can be wrong simultaneously...we are witnessing an uptick in politicians acting like doctors...who know nothing. The most important voice and body to protect: is one that you don't agree with. This is protected in the US Constitution as 'equal protection under the law'
It's not about medicine, they should keep their hands out of that. It's about human rights which IS their job to uphold. The doctors should decide what is needed, no need for more fingers in the pot.
All of these conservatives who scream about personal freedom now feel entitled to the most personal medical care choices. Protect our rights, keep your opinions on my choices out.
It is not a conservative value that parents should be able to do or not do whatever they like to their children. Yes, they believe in a lot of parental control, but not unbounded. Should parents be able to provide unsupervised access to firearms to children? We have limits for good reason. Providing drugs to someone so that their body doesn't fully develop is an extreme measure and not surprising that it is questioned.
@ No, this is a simplification that ignores medical reality. Puberty blockers are safe medical best practice and prescribed intervention. Parents are choosing to get medically appropriate care for their children, that is what we should support, not restrict. A lack of access to puberty blockers does create changes in the body that are unchangeable in the future, puberty blockers when discontinued and not followed up with HRT allows typical genetically based development. The accusations of harm are not medically based. HRT does create changes that are lasting. However, these changes are desired, medically appropriate and life saving. HRT is rarely given to people under 16 and when it is the risks have been carefully weighed. People cis or trans have the right to make their own body a safe reflection of themselves. Puberty blockers allow time to make those decisions with a fully developed mind and body. HRT allows people who already know to create the most safe and self reflective body they can. This is always morally and medically correct.
Omg! Where did Matthew Rice (not) learn how to smile like a human? He looks like an alien in disguise trying to “smile like the humans”. It’s like a grimace.
@Red-Check-Mark by your logic when liberals have control over the government again they should really have no reason not to pass laws discriminating against you personally.
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system. Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING. Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries. ❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system. Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING. Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries. ❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
You're doing the RIGHTz thing and we need to WIN this battle to secure a win in this WAR against hate, discrimination and health. My thoughts and prayers are with you, God bless you and much LOVE for my TranzFam & Allies 🇺🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️💜
How can you use God's name for a blessing when it is against Him to trans. You should stay the gender you were born with. This physical change could be avoided if this were treated as a mental problem. And, it is. And, just because people don't accept being transgender doesn't mean they h8. They just don't believe in doing this.
We need to just leave this to doctors, therapists, pyschiatrist, and parents. Keep it out of politicians' hands. They do not have enough education in this. We have things that really impact all of us. Leave Trans people alone. They just want to live life. Children do need more care in this situation. However, put the care back to the medical field. Unless I'm having intercorse with someone, I don't care what sex you are. Children do have certain situations where sex gender care is needed. Parents need to work with the professionals for decisions. This is a diversion to things we really need to focus on.
What if those doctors are influenced by pharmaceuticals, and ESG (Government influences)? Why do you think countries known for their healthcare have taken a more cautious approach to affirmation, and hormone therapy?
This attorney thinks that a 2-year-old knows they need to be in a different body. What real doctor would allow butchering a toddler's body? Sounds demonic, not normal.
@@rikerdavis2843 Nah, why do you care? It's literally none of your business. Are you trans? No? Then why do you care about healthcare for a group of people you don't belong to? Trans people pay health insurance premiums, just like you do. Just like you do, they have to deal with the messed up healthcare system that the US has. Why not focus on how big companies are screwing you? Trans people are not screwing you out of healthcare--the healthcare industry is screwing you out of that.
@shivashakti4261 I agree but so many have no idea what they are talking about, yet think they know best. I don't understand why they can't just mind their own damn business.
Canadian here. I did not realize that this torrent of anti trans state laws were GOP co-ordinated and packaged using omnibus bills! This is such an important case. Thank you for this important interview and for the audio of the court proceedings.
@@Nyxiona_the_Primordial_Spirit Really thankful that legal advocacy organizations like ACLU and Democracy Docket exist. It's going to be a busy 4 years.
@@Curt-Gevert back here as a Canadian. The 10th resembles Canada's problems between federal and provincial law. It also follows centrist and decentralist politics. Over here it drags out.
There are no children having surgeries on their genitals (aside from intersex infants who are given surgeries to make them conform to sex norms before they can speak)
@@Curt-Gevert and i say let the medical professionals sort it out. what part about that is difficult for uneducated people? that professionals know better than dumb peasants?
You have no idea what they have, and deal with. Read. Or, at least, keep your nose out of their business. Do want denied coverage for your personal conditions?
These children have lived with "this feeling" their entire life, it's been expressed to their parents, their entire life with huge battles. It isn't something of a whim. Transgenders & LGBQs have always existed throughout history, in humans & every animal species. They are all also God's creations.
you have no idea what trans youth go through from birth, childhood, and into teenage years. maybe listen to the actual people who you think you know so much about instead of othering and belittling us🩷 spread love not hate.
Nothing like hearing “Rocky Top” in the background!!! What about children who are hitting puberty way too early and it needs to be slowed down?? And has absolutely nothing to do with gender at all???
A friend of mine said “Us adults will lose it in the first three months, and if there’s a next election the democrats will be too busy getting gay marriage back to worry about us.”
Same sex marriage is settled law and no one of significance is advocating for overturning it (which would be a gargantuan effort anyway). Thinking it is at all at risk is a tad hysterical, honestly.
15:54 - Why even play the clip at all if you're simply going to cut off the important part, and instead have your biased guest incorrectly paraphrase it?
The trans lawyer has actual knowledge and experience with the issue. The o5her side is politicians sticking their in stuff they know little about. That said, it’s easy to find uncut testimony on TH-cam
Can someone explain this case. 1. Is the hearing and assessment of the medical evidence is on hold pending the outcome of this case - (the courts have reached no conclusions on the medical evidence yet)? 2. Is it to do with the bar by which the medical evidence is assessed (surely that should apply both ways)? 3. Is it to give girls a more protected right to testosterone than boys and visa versa for oestrogen (are we saying aspects of sex discrimination in the medical field should be protected)? What are the judges asked to decide?
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system. Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING. Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries. ❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
At the top of comments, click on "Sort by", then click Newest first. That should show all the comments, but in that order. TH-cam should offer more options of how to view comments, such as Oldest first, imo.
Arguing that it is sex-neutral is ridiculous, its like saying "men can only wear pants, women only skirts or dresses." just because neither "side" is more discriminated against than the other doesnt mean that both have their rights infringend on.
Tennessee, in their use of language in this law, focuses on the mind of the individual and their freedom to think about gender and accept or reject the gender assigned at birth. Freedom on conscience is NOT RIGHTFULLY THE PURVIEW OF THE STATE IN A FREE SOCIETY. THIS IS OVERREACH.
sex observed at birth Notice that Strangio and Prelogar refer to natal sex in their argument before the SC. With that they acknowledge the relevance of natal sex in life and law.
People who advocate for life altering surgeries with extreme consequences as an option for children who again, can't possibly consent these surgeries or understand the consequences are monsters. You people make me sick
yes, the Tennessee ban does not impact them. Puberty blockers can be used to delay a precocious puberty in those who are not trans. That's the basis of the legal argument.
I can’t believe it’s even a discussion that anyone in this country can be told what do do with their body or have access to medical care for their young adult children. When you’re twelve you’re not a baby.
Well you are a minor until 18. If you have ever went to get your tubes tied they want you to have children or be certain. That is not because the Doctor has a breeding fetish it is because it is a liability to do harm to a patient. A patient at 30 may change their mind on kids, let alone a child at 12. Do you really believe a child can consent to sterilization at 12? That is what we are speaking on, lets be sure of what were saying or do not speak on the topic.
Are you reading what you type ? Adult children ? Lol . Think about what you wanted when you were 13 how much of that aligns with your life today? I was a dumbass at 13 and so were most people around me. I didn't have complex ideas of what it meant to be a woman
It's a shame to see the stark difference in your reporting now compared to when you started this channel. Your organization started out with ethical journalistic intentions; you're so biased that it's anything but ethical. What a shame. 😢
Tattoos aren’t a medical procedure. However there are times they are. Cancer patients many times have little dots tattooed on them to help align the machine in the same place for treatment. Yeah that’s not an argument. Try again.
Umm you know you can't get a tattoo if you are under 18 ya? Plus tattoo removals are painful but hundred percent fixable. You can't completely reverse hormones and surgeries
I didn't know if tattoos and piercings are a good analogy. A better analogy would be other medical procedures performed on minors with parental consent. The choice to undergo gender affirming care for a minor should be a discussion between the minor, their parents, and their doctors, based on the best medical evidence and practices available. The state shouldn't get involved to the degree of an indiscriminate ban. There are already sensible limitations in place, such as avoiding gender affirming surgeries until the patient becomes an adult.
@@nakshatrabhate8073 In very many places you can be tattooed as a minor with the caveat of parental consent and prescence... Much like gender affirming care.
Yes. There is no sex discrimination involved. Whether you are female, non binary, male, or transgender, everyone who can seek a tattoo is expected to wait. If the restriction applied only to trans people, or one sex or another and was designed to make people "appreciative of their sex" in the state's eyes, it would be a different matter.
God made trans people in the same way he made grapes but not wine; so humanity can share in the joy of creation. We are born as babies, not fully fledged representatives of gender.
So where is your voice on the circumcision of infants debate bc y'all are always noticeably dead silent on that, despite the fact that millions of men perceive it as the deepest worst violation of their bodies at the beginning of their life? Why not make everyone wait till 18 to get circumcised? The infection and emergency risks are real, but y'all handwave trans suicides as barely worth mentioning, so I can't see something like a little infection for unwashed genitals forming the entire basis of not speaking out against that. Really. Why y'all crickets on that but so hateful and "leave our kids alone" about this? The internet is full of hurt men blaming the entire bad trajectory of their life on infant circumcision so don't go trying to erase and handwave them too.
Changing one’s sex can be viewed as a way for pharmaceutical companies and surgeons to make billions of dollars by cultivating a transgender clientele who will develop a lifelong dependency on expensive medications and surgeries. Always follow the money. Support for Trans medical therapy means support for Big Pharma. The ACLU has become a cheerleader for Big Pharma. Watchful waiting is the best prescription.
You take away my healthcare. I'll have to take testosterone for life, except I will refuse and would rather have my bones break from lack of hormones. You want suffering. You have no idea for how long I TRIED to not be trans. I was fighting my own instinct and desires to fit in, for 25 years, having a childhood I didn't want or enjoy. Find a new hobby.
I think you mean that you have embraced Socialism and want to get the profit motive out of healthcare and nationalize it so that it is not corrupted by Capitalism. I agree. But no, nobody can turn people trans. We always have to push hard to get medical care for trans people, just like for everyone else. And I'm not sure who told you that hormones are expensive. They are dirt cheap.
If you ever knew anyone who went through the daily trauma and heartbreak of a child who from the time they could form sentences complained of being born the wrong gender who might realize it's abusive to ignore their pleas and cries for two decades. Transgenders & LGBQs have always existed throughout history, in humans & every animal species. They are all also God's creations.
Yeah, I love it when lawyers tell me to stay in my lane but then they pour in pseudo science to try to oppress or justify oppressing people from exercising their freedoms in their private lives
Why not have the child wait until they are an adult to make such a radical decision since the brain and body aren't fully developed until young adulthood? The delay certainly outweighs the potential harm - that many adults regret getting these treatments as adolescents or juveniles. So this case isn't about trans rights, it should be about protecting innocent children from making irrational mistakes that have huge implications on their future happiness. Its the same reason we don't allow children to vote, to drive, to drink alcohol, etc. You lefties are just pushing for the sake of power and influence to destroy. It's Satan throwing a temper tantrum.
@ You’re right. No child should be making that choice, which is why it’s made in close counsel of their parents and doctors, usually psychologists and therapists. Those things already happen. Congratulations, you’re in favor of gender affirming care as it exists..
Instead of conforming to social pressures, why not look into physical causes of gender dysphoria before turning to invasive measures. Such things as the presence of estrogen mimickers in drinking water and beverages in general, including plasticides, birth control residue, industrial solvents, etc. Several studies done on the effects of estrogen mimickers on fish, wildlife, and humans.
Recent findings are that true gender dysphoria is caused by a birth defect and cannot be cured with symptom defined in the ICD and DSM with care outlined by WPATH (which I some personal disagreements with but it's the best we currently have). Prenatal hormones instruct the body how to develop many parts of your body and for reasons we don't yet understand there's a mixup in small but dimorphised regions of the brain causing them to resemble that of the opposite sex. This is similar to what happens to cause some intersex conditions (they also sometimes need healthcare similar to that of trans people as do many others who aren't trans) We don't have a reliable way to test for this and if we did it would be very expensive so the true solution for fighting post-transition regret is to eliminate other causes someone would transition when they're not trans or detransition when they are trans. Fighting transphobia and hatred from family, strangers, and the government. Not enforcing those weird old gender roles that make some people feel as though they can't express themselves freely without wishing to be the other gender. Easily accessible gender therapists to help someone rule out other causes of gender related distress such as sexism or trauma. And keeping these weird politicians out of control of what people choose to do with their own bodies.
yes, it would be unsurprising to me to find that pharma or chemical companies were secretly financing the trans movement to draw attention away from themselves much like the plastics industry greenwashing by supporting recycling
The issue is a health issue, stop making it "cultural". NO ONE would approve of a minor taking testosterone to become better at sports. Yet they are encouraging it for "trans" youth. NO ONE would let a minor do plastic surgery because they didn't like their body, but they are ok with it for trans. Why? Both are issues where people are not happy with their body. That unhappiness is a mental issue that should be dealt with in therapy to encourage self acceptance. An adult can do what they want with their body. A minor literally hasn't been through puberty to actually FEEL the effects of the natural hormones once they present themselves.
Can you find any reports of this actually happening? "Gender affirming care" includes social transition which is all that is ever advised for most trans children.
They do actually allow minors to have plastic surgery, especially if the child is being demonstrably bullied for something that requires surgery. Examples from my family, all of whom were under the age of 16: -Ear-tuck to prevent ears sticking out too far (5 and 9 year old cousins, in the 90s, respectively) - surgery to correct a droopy eyelid that was not causing vision problems, just looked silly (11 year old cousin, early 00s) - 3 nosejobs for one aunt and two cousins - plastic surgery to make my cousin's ear look "more normal before prom pictures" All were allowed pre-16 and pre adulthood with parental consent and enough documentation from doctors and therapists... but buddy, nobody wanted therapist or social worker's notes and proofs about my cousins getting their goofy ears and eyes cosmetically tucked. The parents didn't like how it looked, they could see how kids could bully about it, but also money is green and it didn't hurt the child if they wanted to "fix" the thing that they felt, or were constantly told, was wrong with them. So, no, there are full 30~50+ year olds by the millions in this country who had an elective surgery before the age of 18 bc their parents either had the money or the desperation to buy their child out of awkwardness. Not just bullying and suicidal depression, which trans kids are highly at risk of, parents consent to have their children operated on every day to avoid "awkwardness." Chill with that, you're wrong, but not many rhinoplasty princesses are going to chime in and put their necks on the line here. As to your whack crap about sports and T: uhh... you do know that parents dosing their cis sons they think "aren't manly enough" are why a lot of pharmacies refuse to fill scripts for T as pills, opting or requiring instead it be topical or IM so the patient knows they're being administered medication (if not doing it themselves)? Like cis parents of cis kids did this. It's why testosterone is so tightly controlled. It's not the purity of sports ethics making it into medicine, it's that too many non- trans people have abused it over the years seeking their own gender affirmation benchmarks. Parents have, and do, buy and allow their children to use steroids and other performance enhancing drugs to excel in high school sports and get good college scholarships, you're out of your depth and out of touch with reality even within your examples. People do approve of it when they're misinformed enough to think it'll give their kid an edge or increase their performance. but, obviously, they get furious at the idea of anyone else's child receiving the same boost. more so if it's to have an even better edge, but also clearly just to maintain A standard of living. It is a health issue and since you clearly lack experience with child body image disorders or time spent with adults who did have necessary or fully cosmetic plastic surgery as kids and teens, you should probably stay out of it. You really don't know how this works, for better and for worse. Kids who wanted the cis norms-pleasing surgeries, kids who didn't but caved to peer and family pressure, they're adult now. Millions could tell you they wish they didn't or hadn't been allowed, and millions could say it's the best thing that could have happened once they were old enough to look back on those old photographs with the clarity of having still been bullied for a less easy reason. Even the ones who said "nah, that was a mistake" still thought the choice should be doctor and patient, with parent weighing in for legal reasons. I know so many women who don't have their original noses just because their mothers didn't like it and they didn't really know how to argue back about it, at the time, to their mom and the doctor simultaneously. Money is green and plenty of weirdos operate on teen girls to make them "hotter" for modeling or TV aspirations, but I don't hear any heat for that. You somehow only have beef in this long comment for trans people. Bro.
Thank you Chase Strangio, Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar, Justices Sotomayor and Brown Jackson plus so many that support them etc.... Onward! Opposition matters!!! 💙✨
She didn't site a single study. Just kept repeating "not true not true their lying their lying" while all the while lying through her mustache like a preacher on a hot Sunday. 🙄
You want to speak of discrimination? In Canada if you are trans you can get breasts for free but if you are a woman with breast cancer and need a mastectomy you will not have the same option of replacing breasts you were BORN WITH. I bet DN wont cover that, in fact I know it. Hormone therapy can be something you need or feel you need. One might be a medical necessity the other, something to make life more palatable for you. Out of context a nosejob is rarely a needed surgery and is usually cosmetic so if there is no medical necessity, it wont be covered.
Viagra, is gender affirming for men, but that's covered by insurance. Same for HRT for cis men, like what Joe Rogan does. You wouldn't understand what it means to be trans with a cis perspective, to us, it's reconstructive and one-way, and we're aware of that. We don't care about the detransitioners that felt they got fast tracked because that doesn't exist, me and countless other trans friends of mine had to jump through SO MANY hoops just to get HRT. I had to be two years out as a trans woman before they gave me HRT in a blue state (Colorado), and the bullying.... ARGH! You know nothing and only seek information to reinforce your perspective, cissy.
Chase, drop the case now is not the time. You are going to set us all back 100 years because you want to make a name for yourself. STOP. Don't be a Hale.
Tunnel Visioned, Selfish, Willfully ignoring all the irreversible misery, negligibly caused many young victims globally. Still 'on Their own little nest' .
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We need better mental health in this country.
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We do need better mental health facilities. They closed many mental health hospitals , centers and residential facilities in every state in the US . Where do these individuals ( patients) go ? To the streets, when they are picked up by police ( if a crime small or big ) is committed. They put them in jail , let that sink in . They are locked up with minimal mental health care in a jail .
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lol kick rocks, troll
Since when have conservatives ever cared about that? Most believe the whole mental health profession is a crock, only use words like seek therapy to "own the libs and "wokies"".
Agreed
I am a trans man living in Pakistan and I gotta say, even at its worst, the US discourse on this topic is a million times better than the Pakistani discourse.
And I say this as someone who hates the US in general.
acknowledging that a man pretending to be a woman is actually a man is not discrimination.
@@SikanderG Unfortunately, having lived for years in a Muslim culture and having a very kind friend from Pakistan, there is a hypocrisy in ALL COUNTRIES who profess to care and respect ALL humanity and species. Politicians and Religious politics is essentially manipulative world 🌎 wide, ignoring the real medical and scientific facts-based evidence and Doctors.🥼
With all the real problems in America we dont need to create problems.
Yes.Taking away Rights of autonomy is so, not of US.
Is that why Republicans spent $215 million on anti-trans advertising instead of doing something to help everyday Americans?
This about a case where a mother wanted her boy to be a girl. The child wants to be a boy. The father lost his parental rights. The mother is forcing this child to have the surgery. This ID why the father took it to the Supreme Court. This crap is Josef Mengale crap.
This is exhausting. What a clown planet
The state needs to be a Doctor, and be a person living with these conditions, to make the choice that they get to remove these persons Rights.
Maybe the state should be a person who was harmed by gender affirming care (detransitioner).
Child protection is needed , that is all our business
@@meabeck the right to cut off children's natural life stages appears to be adult imposed and not even in dispute with regards long term outcomes. Sans a few... Kids could never dream up this medical insanity, if they could it would never have been hidden all those decades. Prior to 2014 it wasnt a thing and if the massive change was due to acceptance every age group and demographic would have increased its cases..They haven't. White. Middle class Girls 12 to 30 are not across the board truth tellers of 1 identity that's for certain especially in that trans is not mutable based on the very definition.. it's a feeling..we must remember feelings are not facts! We don't perform medical treatments on healthy bodies due to a feeling! Full stop!
Yes. We absolutely had de jure discrimination. There were exceptions to medical insurance that specifically called out exempting trans healthcare. And this law is just another example of _de jure_ discrimination against trans people. How can you possibly argue there hasn’t been any de jure discrimination, when this law specifically discriminates against the class you’re asking about?!
The facts are the discriminants, differences in biology have non symmetrical injuries. Discrimination is a concept and fact of reality before it is a social malady. Objectively, discriminating allows differentiation and discernment. Is a necessary feature of logic.
There are all kinds of medical exemptions, why not list the ones you don;t like...maybe because the ones excluded hinge on needing to be able to consent and we know children can't do that...right?
@@chocomalk The argument is not about children or age. The argument is about trans healthcare.
@@chocomalkthere are no medical procedures whatsoever allowed for men but barred for women and vice versa. That is expressly illegal and was the position of the supreme Court only a few years ago. Stop being ridiculous.
@chocomalk so children need consent for other life saving care then? Will we block puberty for cis kids about to have an early puberty? Will we block breast tissue removal for cis boys having gynocemastia? No, yet thats still gender affirming care. It just happens to be convenient to keep people in line with expectations. If youre going to block that for us, we'll block you from the rest too.
Why isn’t Alito concerned about Veterans Suicide, Women Abused Suicide, parents dealing with poverty and bankruptcy suicide, Mental Health Suicides, Pharmaceutical induced Suicides?
When a case makes it to the SCOTUS about those issues, then that can be addressed. SCOTUS can only address questions brought before it.
@@Curt-Gevertnpc
this is involving children’s lives and it’s by far the most pressing issue
All of that, they have investments in.💰
Do you know how the Supreme Court works? Alito didn’t bring this case. Skrmetti brought the case against the state of Tennessee.
Maybe instead of them worrying so much about trans kids and what them, their dr, and their therapist determines. Maybe they should be focusing all that energy on saving kids from sex trafficking and kidnappings... But i don't see people standing up for that as much
👏👏👏👏👏
Actually, child safeguarding is the number one concern of people who protest chemical and surgical castration of children. Did you know “LGBT sanctuary laws” that encourage children to run away from home to California and other states to transition are causing a child sex trafficking issue? If you were familiar with the stories of those promoting the evidence-based psychotherapeutic approach to gender dysphoria, rather than the “gender affirming” (aka child castration) approach, you would be familiar with these sad stories and know that we do care about all those issues, both separately, and where they intersect (as they sometimes do unfortunately for gay/bisexual and other vulnerable youth).
Amen❤
Yes
And my 9 year olds tattoo is between me my sons artist and my son. And his drinking is between me him and his bartender too
We the trans community, ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤love you both, Amy and chase. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
😳😟🤢🤮
Thank you for the thoughtful coverage of this historically significant and important case.
As a trans person, I’m so proud to see Chase in the Supreme Court. 🏳️⚧️ Even if the case does not end well, yesterday was a historic day.
Thank you for the strength❤
I thought it shameful to hear her ask the Supreme Court to deny Tennessee the right to outlaw child mutilation within its own borders. The ban clearly applies equally to boys as it does to girls -- it doesn't discriminate on the basis of sex. All states should require doctors strive to First Do No Harm.
@@sophie20015 the "child mutilation" is a delusion and propaganda and people like you are falling right into it. Lawmakers need to LEAVE TRANS PEOPLE ALONE. They arent trying to protect anyone. It's all just a bigoted facade. Period.
@sophie20015 I think you need to research. No one is wanting to abuse children or mutilate them.
I wish this young lawyer all the best in his case in the Supreme Court. It takes a lot of courage and professional expertise to do that. I hope you win this important case.
What a softball crap interview. Stangio was asked a whole series of questions by the justices that completely undermined her argument and you just ignored all of it.
Example? I didn't hear anything that undermined the argument that the law, on its face, has a sex-based classification. The state of TN even had to concede that when pressed by Jackson. Remember that that does *not* necessarily mean that the law is unconstitutional -- but rather that it should be subject to heightened scrutiny; and therefore should be sent back down to the Sixth Circuit to evaluate the law under that standard.
She is supposed to be a He.. more evidence that this is all completely absurd..
Amy why not let the audience listen to his response to the question at 16:30 versus having your guest interpret it. In the hearing he clearly explains what appreciation of sex and disdain means and how it is exactly spelled out in the law.
“His” who? I went back to listen but don’t understand your suggestion
leave kids alone !!!
You leave kids alone creep
I agree, the state shouldn't be meddling in children's healthcare lol
You're advocating for the state to stop interfering in their healthcare, right?
Leave the kids alone
Leave the kids, their parents and their doctors alone!
Yeah, that’s what they already Do an urban areas and we see how that’s working out
This is voodoo. Educate yourself
@@Will2K-001 Would you be able to expand on what you mean by "we see how that;s working out" how is it working out?
Most kids seem alright the urban area I live in, so perhaps it's just your perception where you live?
@@pamlewis1183 We don't perform medical treatments on healthy bodies due to a feeling! Full stop!
@@Will2K-001yes, it is working out just fine! i don’t see your point 😂
“If” “gender” is a “social construct” then what is their argument? What are they fighting for. What’s more real? What they actually are or what they feel that they are? This is insanity.
Gender is in the brain.
The claim is that although what we consider "gender" is a social construct, there is also an innate "gender identity" within each of us. This was exposed during the oral arguments when Strangio attempted to argue that gender identity is an immutable characteristic but also that it can be changed due to those who identify as gender fluid, so not immutable. Gender ideology doesn't hold up well to rational scrutiny.
Chase: sex is not "assigned" at birth. It's in the DNA.
It’s a figure of speech, a way to verbally illustrate innate biological sex.
The assigned at birth language comes from the intersex community. It is trying to say that the Doctor isn't always right during this process. This is understandable because we don't do a bunch of tests or DNA sequencing. Doctors are only looking at the baby's phenotype and are assuming that the child's sex matches with their assessment of the phenotype. The Doctor is almost always right but sometimes they are wrong.
The trans community uses this language to illustrate that ultimately the doctor isn't only prescribing a sex but also a gender. The gender assignment can also be incorrect.
A pregnant woman can have a blood test at less than 17 weeks gestation to know the sex of the baby.
@@natand4297 dont need a blood test i saw it on an ultrasound at 16 weeks. Its established at conception not assigned at any point
You are mistaken! The Creator assigns sex before you are born! The Creator does not make mistakes!
D.N. is such a great ally and champion of civil rights. It would be very interesting to see if there is an intersectional group that places rights of trans and queer folk in alignment with overlapping socioeconomic issues that impact the poorest among us. how can we use identity, based on SES*, to unite ppl around their rights? how do marginalized ppl begin to be seen by working class voters as on the same page and in coalition for the same issues that impact poor families?
I feel as though William Barber II and his Poor People's Campaign may have a good answer to that.
There are some queer socialist groups and publications. You might find like-minded folks in your local DSA.
Why was the WPATH long-term study purposefully withheld from being released???
It wasn’t.
Because it's based on junk science and pseudoscience.
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system.
Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING.
Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries.
❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
exactly. majority of this Supreme Court is part of the conservative swamp
Because it makes them look like the monsters they are lol
Both parties can be wrong simultaneously...we are witnessing an uptick in politicians acting like doctors...who know nothing. The most important voice and body to protect: is one that you don't agree with. This is protected in the US Constitution as 'equal protection under the law'
It's not about medicine, they should keep their hands out of that. It's about human rights which IS their job to uphold. The doctors should decide what is needed, no need for more fingers in the pot.
Thank you big bro 🫶
All of these conservatives who scream about personal freedom now feel entitled to the most personal medical care choices. Protect our rights, keep your opinions on my choices out.
It is not a conservative value that parents should be able to do or not do whatever they like to their children. Yes, they believe in a lot of parental control, but not unbounded. Should parents be able to provide unsupervised access to firearms to children? We have limits for good reason. Providing drugs to someone so that their body doesn't fully develop is an extreme measure and not surprising that it is questioned.
Stop harming children. Cultist
It's not medical care.
@ No, this is a simplification that ignores medical reality. Puberty blockers are safe medical best practice and prescribed intervention. Parents are choosing to get medically appropriate care for their children, that is what we should support, not restrict.
A lack of access to puberty blockers does create changes in the body that are unchangeable in the future, puberty blockers when discontinued and not followed up with HRT allows typical genetically based development. The accusations of harm are not medically based.
HRT does create changes that are lasting. However, these changes are desired, medically appropriate and life saving. HRT is rarely given to people under 16 and when it is the risks have been carefully weighed.
People cis or trans have the right to make their own body a safe reflection of themselves. Puberty blockers allow time to make those decisions with a fully developed mind and body. HRT allows people who already know to create the most safe and self reflective body they can. This is always morally and medically correct.
@briannacooper2628 why do you think this is life saving medicine? What fatal disease does it treat or prevent?
Omg! Where did Matthew Rice (not) learn how to smile like a human? He looks like an alien in disguise trying to “smile like the humans”. It’s like a grimace.
Thanks for bringing Chase on DN. So proud of him and the team 🙏
Her
Amazing! Way to go, Chase! Talk about using your super power for good. Brilliant mind!
they really made a good case for not allowing children to do this
So, when the SCOTUS decides to uphold the ban, are you still gonna say this Chase guy has a brilliant mind? XD
@@Red-Check-Markchase is an obvious woman with a mustache.
@@Red-Check-Mark she's a great example of why they should uphold the ban
@Red-Check-Mark by your logic when liberals have control over the government again they should really have no reason not to pass laws discriminating against you personally.
Excellent coverage as always Democracy Now, thank you and great work, Chase and Team!
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system.
Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING.
Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries.
❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
excellent interview. Blessings to Chase Strangio
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system.
Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING.
Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries.
❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
Demon.
Strange is right also perverted, weird and idiotic!
You're doing the RIGHTz thing and we need to WIN this battle to secure a win in this WAR against hate, discrimination and health. My thoughts and prayers are with you, God bless you and much LOVE for my TranzFam & Allies 🇺🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️💜
How can you use God's name for a blessing when it is against Him to trans. You should stay the gender you were born with. This physical change could be avoided if this were treated as a mental problem. And, it is. And, just because people don't accept being transgender doesn't mean they h8. They just don't believe in doing this.
@@pam7500cry harder
Freak moment
You need therapy
Pure evil.
They weren't acting irrationally RIGHT wing.. They were using crtical thought.
We need to just leave this to doctors, therapists, pyschiatrist, and parents. Keep it out of politicians' hands. They do not have enough education in this. We have things that really impact all of us. Leave Trans people alone. They just want to live life. Children do need more care in this situation. However, put the care back to the medical field. Unless I'm having intercorse with someone, I don't care what sex you are. Children do have certain situations where sex gender care is needed. Parents need to work with the professionals for decisions. This is a diversion to things we really need to focus on.
Agree, let's follow the medical conclusion of the Cass Report, and leave Trans ideology out of the decision.
What if those doctors are influenced by pharmaceuticals, and ESG (Government influences)?
Why do you think countries known for their healthcare have taken a more cautious approach to affirmation, and hormone therapy?
This attorney thinks that a 2-year-old knows they need to be in a different body. What real doctor would allow butchering a toddler's body? Sounds demonic, not normal.
Yes, leave child molestation alone, lol
@@rikerdavis2843 Nah, why do you care? It's literally none of your business. Are you trans? No? Then why do you care about healthcare for a group of people you don't belong to? Trans people pay health insurance premiums, just like you do. Just like you do, they have to deal with the messed up healthcare system that the US has. Why not focus on how big companies are screwing you? Trans people are not screwing you out of healthcare--the healthcare industry is screwing you out of that.
Way to go Chase and team! Fingers crossed!
medical procedure and hrt should be between the individuals and medical professionals, not anybody's business, definitely not the state business!
So true!
After age 18
Too bad, so sad...you lose
@shivashakti4261 I agree but so many have no idea what they are talking about, yet think they know best. I don't understand why they can't just mind their own damn business.
Yet all doctors are licensed by the State so this is unavoidable.
It's about age and maturity....not sex.
Samantha lux plz talk about this interview!!
Canadian here. I did not realize that this torrent of anti trans state laws were GOP co-ordinated and packaged using omnibus bills! This is such an important case. Thank you for this important interview and for the audio of the court proceedings.
Yeah, they've been trying so hard to legislate transgender out of existence, after their lose with same sex marriage.
@@Nyxiona_the_Primordial_Spirit Really thankful that legal advocacy organizations like ACLU and Democracy Docket exist. It's going to be a busy 4 years.
I say it's a 10th Amendment issue, let the individual states sort it out.
@Curt-Gevert That's your non-solution for everything
@@Curt-Gevert back here as a Canadian. The 10th resembles Canada's problems between federal and provincial law. It also follows centrist and decentralist politics. Over here it drags out.
As a 12 year old boy that wants penis enlargement surgery; I support this person.
I was scrawny as a teenaged boy. I would’ve loved weekly testosterone shots to bulk up.
There are no children having surgeries on their genitals (aside from intersex infants who are given surgeries to make them conform to sex norms before they can speak)
dumb non medicals arguing about medical safety law
I say it's a 10th Amendment issue, let the individual states sort it out.
@@Curt-Gevert and i say let the medical professionals sort it out.
what part about that is difficult for uneducated people? that professionals know better than dumb peasants?
Its grotesque. Children have no idea what horrific effects these changes will have on their lives.
You know nothing, your hatred is grotesque, doesn't even know you can't have permanent surgery under 16 in the US and blockers are reversable🥱🫠
Attention seeking parents???
You have no idea what they have, and deal with. Read. Or, at least, keep your nose out of their business. Do want denied coverage for your personal conditions?
These children have lived with "this feeling" their entire life, it's been expressed to their parents, their entire life with huge battles. It isn't something of a whim. Transgenders & LGBQs have always existed throughout history, in humans & every animal species. They are all also God's creations.
you have no idea what trans youth go through from birth, childhood, and into teenage years. maybe listen to the actual people who you think you know so much about instead of othering and belittling us🩷 spread love not hate.
Nothing like hearing “Rocky Top” in the background!!! What about children who are hitting puberty way too early and it needs to be slowed down?? And has absolutely nothing to do with gender at all???
That’s not what this case is about. Treatment for precocious puberty is not gender affirming care.
A friend of mine said “Us adults will lose it in the first three months, and if there’s a next election the democrats will be too busy getting gay marriage back to worry about us.”
Same sex marriage is settled law and no one of significance is advocating for overturning it (which would be a gargantuan effort anyway). Thinking it is at all at risk is a tad hysterical, honestly.
15:54 - Why even play the clip at all if you're simply going to cut off the important part, and instead have your biased guest incorrectly paraphrase it?
The trans lawyer has actual knowledge and experience with the issue. The o5her side is politicians sticking their in stuff they know little about. That said, it’s easy to find uncut testimony on TH-cam
Your what we need right now chase.
Can someone explain this case.
1. Is the hearing and assessment of the medical evidence is on hold pending the outcome of this case - (the courts have reached no conclusions on the medical evidence yet)?
2. Is it to do with the bar by which the medical evidence is assessed (surely that should apply both ways)?
3. Is it to give girls a more protected right to testosterone than boys and visa versa for oestrogen (are we saying aspects of sex discrimination in the medical field should be protected)?
What are the judges asked to decide?
Listen to the NYT podcast on it.
Much love and admiration for Chase 🕊️
child abuse.
Alright But wtf happened to "his" voice? Did "he" sing falsetto the whole time? It's weak just like the argument.
@@Salvatore1262Doesn't have a real argument, cheap🥱
Thank you Chase!
Let the kids FIRST grow up, become ADULTS, and fall in love first before before causing IRREPARABLE harm to their OWN reproductive system.
Naturally, Kids do not really know what the true meaning and ultimate purpose is for what their reproductive systems are designed to be used for. THE PLEASURE AND CREATION OF OFFSPRING.
Yay! Tennesses for this ban❤. The Conservatives and the Republicans are the only ones protecting trans kids from irreparable bodily harm using puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and mutilation genital surgeries.
❤Thank you Tennessee ❤
thank you DN! go Chase!! ❤
For child abuse.
@@johnfetter ok K L A N S M A N
France just came out with guidelines promoting gender affirming care.
not exactly accurate
I don't understand why I can only see less that 20 comments even though the count shows 97. ???
At the top of comments, click on "Sort by", then click Newest first. That should show all the comments, but in that order. TH-cam should offer more options of how to view comments, such as Oldest first, imo.
Some people have their comments removed because they are being violent to trans people.
@@HattieLankford-24 Oh right, I forgot that "words are violence" lol.
@@terebrateyoutube is censoring comments on this topic.
youtube haywire moderation ai
Support trans rights!
ok, for adults only.
Arguing that it is sex-neutral is ridiculous, its like saying "men can only wear pants, women only skirts or dresses." just because neither "side" is more discriminated against than the other doesnt mean that both have their rights infringend on.
Tennessee, in their use of language in this law, focuses on the mind of the individual and their freedom to think about gender and accept or reject the gender assigned at birth. Freedom on conscience is NOT RIGHTFULLY THE PURVIEW OF THE STATE IN A FREE SOCIETY. THIS IS OVERREACH.
It is my body, my choice. Wtf does the state have to do with it.
@@BritneygurlThey’re castrating and sterilizing CHILDREN! What is wrong with you people!!
@@Britneygurlkids can't consent
sex
observed
at birth
Notice that Strangio and Prelogar refer to natal sex in their argument before the SC.
With that they acknowledge the relevance of natal sex in life and law.
Protect Chase Strangio at all costs! ✊🏾
🤣 protect children from Strangio
Protect children.
you mean that person that can't take care of themselves?
*Chasing Strange* , nothing to see here, move along.
@@terebrate 🤣
Men shave weak facial hair.
Chase knocked it out the park!! Great to have such a skilled advocate represent this case
No she did not.
Lies..Lies..Lies.. 24:04
Chase is a hero ❤
No she's not.
@mewho6199 go to bed
People who advocate for life altering surgeries with extreme consequences as an option for children who again, can't possibly consent these surgeries or understand the consequences are monsters. You people make me sick
The castration of children should absolutely be illegal. It’s a violation of security of the person.
But none of that is happening btw KKKaren
What about CIRCUMCISIZING MALE BABIES or mutilating INTERSEX BABIES?
Castration is not happening to minors. Most healthcare trans people are getting are semi reversible/reversible.
There are people who use puberty blockers who are not trans!
yes, the Tennessee ban does not impact them. Puberty blockers can be used to delay a precocious puberty in those who are not trans. That's the basis of the legal argument.
Yes. They are called INTERSEX.
Mmhm hyperactive thyroid
We used blockers in the 1990s to treat this
TY❤
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Save the trans kids of Gaza!!!⚧️🇵🇸
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gorsuch has just recuses himself from the case
Hey Amy, ever hear of Stone Wall?
I can’t believe it’s even a discussion that anyone in this country can be told what do do with their body or have access to medical care for their young adult children. When you’re twelve you’re not a baby.
Well you are a minor until 18. If you have ever went to get your tubes tied they want you to have children or be certain. That is not because the Doctor has a breeding fetish it is because it is a liability to do harm to a patient. A patient at 30 may change their mind on kids, let alone a child at 12. Do you really believe a child can consent to sterilization at 12? That is what we are speaking on, lets be sure of what were saying or do not speak on the topic.
Are you reading what you type ? Adult children ? Lol . Think about what you wanted when you were 13 how much of that aligns with your life today? I was a dumbass at 13 and so were most people around me. I didn't have complex ideas of what it meant to be a woman
@@harrywan2604 Sterilization? At 12? How are you stomaching this channel on a diet of Fox?
You shouldn't be allowed to have children if you think 12 is old enough to make those kinds of descions
We don’t allow kids to drink or get tattoos either. This just makes sense.
It's a shame to see the stark difference in your reporting now compared to when you started this channel. Your organization started out with ethical journalistic intentions; you're so biased that it's anything but ethical. What a shame. 😢
It's become just one of the arms of propaganda now. Prolegar's opening statements were lies connected to WPATH's lobbying.
No surprise Jonathan Skrmetti is spreading lies.
Spreadingermshelteracismen NYC 😢
Is the prohibition of young people from receiving tattoos and piercings constitutional?
Tattoos aren’t a medical procedure. However there are times they are. Cancer patients many times have little dots tattooed on them to help align the machine in the same place for treatment.
Yeah that’s not an argument. Try again.
Umm you know you can't get a tattoo if you are under 18 ya? Plus tattoo removals are painful but hundred percent fixable. You can't completely reverse hormones and surgeries
I didn't know if tattoos and piercings are a good analogy. A better analogy would be other medical procedures performed on minors with parental consent. The choice to undergo gender affirming care for a minor should be a discussion between the minor, their parents, and their doctors, based on the best medical evidence and practices available. The state shouldn't get involved to the degree of an indiscriminate ban.
There are already sensible limitations in place, such as avoiding gender affirming surgeries until the patient becomes an adult.
@@nakshatrabhate8073 In very many places you can be tattooed as a minor with the caveat of parental consent and prescence... Much like gender affirming care.
Yes.
There is no sex discrimination involved. Whether you are female, non binary, male, or transgender, everyone who can seek a tattoo is expected to wait. If the restriction applied only to trans people, or one sex or another and was designed to make people "appreciative of their sex" in the state's eyes, it would be a different matter.
God made trans people in the same way he made grapes but not wine; so humanity can share in the joy of creation. We are born as babies, not fully fledged representatives of gender.
Dr Frankenstein says what?
@terebrate If you ever need phalloplasty, cry about it then
@terebrate nonsensical comparison? what, you think endocrinologists are rooting around cemeteries for body parts? C'mon.
This is beautiful, thank you.
Sorry, your religious beliefs do not agree with biological facts. Nobody is born trans.
All of a sudden ACLU acknowledges sex is real.
Exactly.
Leave our kids alone! No mutilation from parents with Munchhausen by Proxy.
No one is doing that
So where is your voice on the circumcision of infants debate bc y'all are always noticeably dead silent on that, despite the fact that millions of men perceive it as the deepest worst violation of their bodies at the beginning of their life?
Why not make everyone wait till 18 to get circumcised? The infection and emergency risks are real, but y'all handwave trans suicides as barely worth mentioning, so I can't see something like a little infection for unwashed genitals forming the entire basis of not speaking out against that.
Really. Why y'all crickets on that but so hateful and "leave our kids alone" about this? The internet is full of hurt men blaming the entire bad trajectory of their life on infant circumcision so don't go trying to erase and handwave them too.
Changing one’s sex can be viewed as a way for pharmaceutical companies and surgeons to make billions of dollars
by cultivating a transgender clientele who will develop a lifelong dependency on expensive medications and surgeries.
Always follow the money. Support for Trans medical therapy means support for Big Pharma.
The ACLU has become a cheerleader for Big Pharma.
Watchful waiting is the best prescription.
You take away my healthcare. I'll have to take testosterone for life, except I will refuse and would rather have my bones break from lack of hormones. You want suffering. You have no idea for how long I TRIED to not be trans. I was fighting my own instinct and desires to fit in, for 25 years, having a childhood I didn't want or enjoy. Find a new hobby.
I think you mean that you have embraced Socialism and want to get the profit motive out of healthcare and nationalize it so that it is not corrupted by Capitalism. I agree.
But no, nobody can turn people trans. We always have to push hard to get medical care for trans people, just like for everyone else.
And I'm not sure who told you that hormones are expensive. They are dirt cheap.
Maybe you could try to research the subject.
It’s not gender affirming. It’s child abuse
Strongly disagree, you just hate trans kids, just like you hate trans people.
If you ever knew anyone who went through the daily trauma and heartbreak of a child who from the time they could form sentences complained of being born the wrong gender who might realize it's abusive to ignore their pleas and cries for two decades.
Transgenders & LGBQs have always existed throughout history, in humans & every animal species. They are all also God's creations.
You might want to watch the video titled, "Neurobiology of trans-sexuality : Robert Sapolsky" available here on TH-cam.
Would you rather read your childs chosen name or their obituary
was suicide prevention been brought up specifically?
Nah its been debunked so many times, they know they can’t flog that dead horse…
23:28 And now Chase's eyes reveal the stance of Lying Legal Professional.
7:23 if I was going on the news, I'd brush my hair first. But that's just me.
you're just not *edgy* enough, sorry.
🎉🎉🎉Bravo Chase! Let's hope Scotus doesn't make the wrong and dicriminatory decision
having a Transgender lawyer represent the case in the Supreme Court helps in presenting the case.
Yeah, I love it when lawyers tell me to stay in my lane but then they pour in pseudo science to try to oppress or justify oppressing people from exercising their freedoms in their private lives
Children can't consent!
TTD
Madness from the ACLU.
Ok incel
Go Chase!
Thank you Chase! 🏳⚧🏳⚧🏳⚧
Why not have the child wait until they are an adult to make such a radical decision since the brain and body aren't fully developed until young adulthood? The delay certainly outweighs the potential harm - that many adults regret getting these treatments as adolescents or juveniles. So this case isn't about trans rights, it should be about protecting innocent children from making irrational mistakes that have huge implications on their future happiness. Its the same reason we don't allow children to vote, to drive, to drink alcohol, etc. You lefties are just pushing for the sake of power and influence to destroy. It's Satan throwing a temper tantrum.
You should look into the evidence regarding the success of treatment for trans kids and how it’s actually done.
This is about access to puberty blockers, not much more than that. Puberty blockers necessarily get prescribed before puberty.
@@corralescoyote Yeah, a Developing child shouldn't be making that choice.
@ You’re right. No child should be making that choice, which is why it’s made in close counsel of their parents and doctors, usually psychologists and therapists. Those things already happen. Congratulations, you’re in favor of gender affirming care as it exists..
@corralescoyote GAF is getting banned. 🤣
Instead of conforming to social pressures, why not look into physical causes of gender dysphoria before turning to invasive measures. Such things as the presence of estrogen mimickers in drinking water and beverages in general, including plasticides, birth control residue, industrial solvents, etc. Several studies done on the effects of estrogen mimickers on fish, wildlife, and humans.
Recent findings are that true gender dysphoria is caused by a birth defect and cannot be cured with symptom defined in the ICD and DSM with care outlined by WPATH (which I some personal disagreements with but it's the best we currently have). Prenatal hormones instruct the body how to develop many parts of your body and for reasons we don't yet understand there's a mixup in small but dimorphised regions of the brain causing them to resemble that of the opposite sex. This is similar to what happens to cause some intersex conditions (they also sometimes need healthcare similar to that of trans people as do many others who aren't trans)
We don't have a reliable way to test for this and if we did it would be very expensive so the true solution for fighting post-transition regret is to eliminate other causes someone would transition when they're not trans or detransition when they are trans. Fighting transphobia and hatred from family, strangers, and the government. Not enforcing those weird old gender roles that make some people feel as though they can't express themselves freely without wishing to be the other gender. Easily accessible gender therapists to help someone rule out other causes of gender related distress such as sexism or trauma. And keeping these weird politicians out of control of what people choose to do with their own bodies.
yes, it would be unsurprising to me to find that pharma or chemical companies were secretly financing the trans movement to draw attention away from themselves much like the plastics industry greenwashing by supporting recycling
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What in the world?
Censoring popular opinion like in Germany in the 1940s
I'm pretty sure it wasn't illegal to hate minorities publicly in at least the early 1940s.
Who’s being censored? Both sides had a chance to make their case in court
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U.S. Surpreme Court Judge's. Have no business getting into people's lives.
They're not, if they make it a states rights, 10th Amendment issue
The issue is a health issue, stop making it "cultural". NO ONE would approve of a minor taking testosterone to become better at sports. Yet they are encouraging it for "trans" youth. NO ONE would let a minor do plastic surgery because they didn't like their body, but they are ok with it for trans. Why? Both are issues where people are not happy with their body. That unhappiness is a mental issue that should be dealt with in therapy to encourage self acceptance. An adult can do what they want with their body. A minor literally hasn't been through puberty to actually FEEL the effects of the natural hormones once they present themselves.
One’s role in sports, and one’s existence as a person, are of a different scale.
Can you find any reports of this actually happening? "Gender affirming care" includes social transition which is all that is ever advised for most trans children.
They do actually allow minors to have plastic surgery, especially if the child is being demonstrably bullied for something that requires surgery.
Examples from my family, all of whom were under the age of 16:
-Ear-tuck to prevent ears sticking out too far (5 and 9 year old cousins, in the 90s, respectively)
- surgery to correct a droopy eyelid that was not causing vision problems, just looked silly (11 year old cousin, early 00s)
- 3 nosejobs for one aunt and two cousins
- plastic surgery to make my cousin's ear look "more normal before prom pictures"
All were allowed pre-16 and pre adulthood with parental consent and enough documentation from doctors and therapists... but buddy, nobody wanted therapist or social worker's notes and proofs about my cousins getting their goofy ears and eyes cosmetically tucked. The parents didn't like how it looked, they could see how kids could bully about it, but also money is green and it didn't hurt the child if they wanted to "fix" the thing that they felt, or were constantly told, was wrong with them. So, no, there are full 30~50+ year olds by the millions in this country who had an elective surgery before the age of 18 bc their parents either had the money or the desperation to buy their child out of awkwardness. Not just bullying and suicidal depression, which trans kids are highly at risk of, parents consent to have their children operated on every day to avoid "awkwardness." Chill with that, you're wrong, but not many rhinoplasty princesses are going to chime in and put their necks on the line here.
As to your whack crap about sports and T: uhh... you do know that parents dosing their cis sons they think "aren't manly enough" are why a lot of pharmacies refuse to fill scripts for T as pills, opting or requiring instead it be topical or IM so the patient knows they're being administered medication (if not doing it themselves)? Like cis parents of cis kids did this. It's why testosterone is so tightly controlled. It's not the purity of sports ethics making it into medicine, it's that too many non- trans people have abused it over the years seeking their own gender affirmation benchmarks.
Parents have, and do, buy and allow their children to use steroids and other performance enhancing drugs to excel in high school sports and get good college scholarships, you're out of your depth and out of touch with reality even within your examples.
People do approve of it when they're misinformed enough to think it'll give their kid an edge or increase their performance. but, obviously, they get furious at the idea of anyone else's child receiving the same boost. more so if it's to have an even better edge, but also clearly just to maintain A standard of living.
It is a health issue and since you clearly lack experience with child body image disorders or time spent with adults who did have necessary or fully cosmetic plastic surgery as kids and teens, you should probably stay out of it. You really don't know how this works, for better and for worse. Kids who wanted the cis norms-pleasing surgeries, kids who didn't but caved to peer and family pressure, they're adult now. Millions could tell you they wish they didn't or hadn't been allowed, and millions could say it's the best thing that could have happened once they were old enough to look back on those old photographs with the clarity of having still been bullied for a less easy reason. Even the ones who said "nah, that was a mistake" still thought the choice should be doctor and patient, with parent weighing in for legal reasons. I know so many women who don't have their original noses just because their mothers didn't like it and they didn't really know how to argue back about it, at the time, to their mom and the doctor simultaneously. Money is green and plenty of weirdos operate on teen girls to make them "hotter" for modeling or TV aspirations, but I don't hear any heat for that.
You somehow only have beef in this long comment for trans people. Bro.
Lies
Sits. Stands.
Thank you Chase Strangio, Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar, Justices Sotomayor and Brown Jackson plus so many that support them etc.... Onward! Opposition matters!!! 💙✨
She didn't site a single study. Just kept repeating "not true not true their lying their lying" while all the while lying through her mustache like a preacher on a hot Sunday.
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You want to speak of discrimination? In Canada if you are trans you can get breasts for free but if you are a woman with breast cancer and need a mastectomy you will not have the same option of replacing breasts you were BORN WITH. I bet DN wont cover that, in fact I know it.
Hormone therapy can be something you need or feel you need. One might be a medical necessity the other, something to make life more palatable for you. Out of context a nosejob is rarely a needed surgery and is usually cosmetic so if there is no medical necessity, it wont be covered.
Viagra, is gender affirming for men, but that's covered by insurance. Same for HRT for cis men, like what Joe Rogan does. You wouldn't understand what it means to be trans with a cis perspective, to us, it's reconstructive and one-way, and we're aware of that. We don't care about the detransitioners that felt they got fast tracked because that doesn't exist, me and countless other trans friends of mine had to jump through SO MANY hoops just to get HRT. I had to be two years out as a trans woman before they gave me HRT in a blue state (Colorado), and the bullying.... ARGH! You know nothing and only seek information to reinforce your perspective, cissy.
Breast augmentation should be free and accessible to both. Fighting access to trans healthcare isn't going to improve it for other people.
Chase, drop the case now is not the time. You are going to set us all back 100 years because you want to make a name for yourself. STOP. Don't be a Hale.
Discrimination against LGBQ people is overwhelming
You’re gross and don’t care about any of those you just want to divide against trans people
A man wearing a dresss is not a woman nor is it a protected class.
And justified, pdf file
How is waiting till someone is 18 discrimination?
@Curt-Gevert they just want your kids
Forcing people to see you and accept you as the opposite sex is Not a human right.
Equal medical care and protection from discrimination is.
Who is forcing you?
"Strangio" is the perfect name for this person.
Wow. He 100% sounds like a teenage girl, especially when he's addressing the court. wtf.
You sound like one just from the words you wrote. Interesting.
Almost like she's on a mission, Chasing Strange, haha.
@feistygheisty I sound perfect? Why, thank you!
@terebrate Oh is it a chick? That would make sense, I guess, kinda.
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Tunnel Visioned, Selfish, Willfully ignoring all the irreversible misery, negligibly caused many young victims globally. Still 'on Their own little nest' .
About this video and the removal of comments as outlined by JG
“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.”
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
“Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of new serve a certain purpose.”
“Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident, they are acting on their own free will.”
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
“The secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are be immersed in it.”
“Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.”
“We shall reach our goal, when we have the power to laugh as we destroy, as we smash whatever was sacred to us as tradition, as education, and as human affection.”
Hahahahah she’s going to lose! Stop harming kids