Two fun facts not mentioned in this video: 1) Rolls used Citroen's hydrodynamic syspension system and built it under licence, 2) The FAB1 was the only representational of a fictional car that Rolls-Royce allowed to have the Rolls-Royce name on it, and you can see why as it fitted their identity and was great for marketing purposes.
The hydraulic suspension was only used on the rear and when the car was in park but running, it self leved twice as fast as it did when the car was in motion.
I am editing this in light of information I was unaware of and a thank you to Richard Smeet for correcting my error. When Hollywood decided to make the film "Thunderbirds"*, Rolls Royce declined to build a car for the film. So that version of "Fab 1" is a Ford creation. *this was actually the 3rd Thunderbirds film after "Thunderbirds Are Go" and "Thunderbird 6"
@@lordcaptainvonthrust3rd the Ford Thunderbird is used in the thirth Thunderbirds movie. There are 3 Thunderbird movies. the first 2 movies "thunderbirds are go"1966 and "Thunderbird 6" 1968 have the original RR model of the Fab1. A Thunderbird movie without a Rolls Royce other UK luxury brand Fab1 is in my view a sacriledge! In the 2004 Thunderbirds movie Lady Penelope should at least had a Range Rover /Jaguar / Aston Martin who were at that time part of the Ford Motor companny.
I always found the Carmague to be one of the best looking cars Rolls produced during that era. Part of that being a result of not liking much of the 70’s and 80’s Rolls baroque design aesthetic, which the Carmague eschewed in favor of cleaner, more original angular styling. To my eyes as a kid, it appeared to be what a future-looking Rolls-Royce should be. I especially like the 3-quarter views and the integration of the pillars into the shoulder-line. I’d proudly drive one of these beasts.
A neighbour of mine, when I was a boy, ran a Camargue. It was brown, and he very rarely actually drove it. It just sat there on his driveway, getting washed and polished religiously every Friday.
For those curious with the reference made to the appeances being similar to the Fiat Coupe is because the main desighner at RR in Crewe spotted a visitors Fiat in the car park and wanted to ape its general looks which is exactly how the carmage did.Even the seats and stitching were homaged as he was so impressed with the Fiats styling that was modern and extremely luxurious at the time.He realised that RR needed a general more contemporary look for greater appeal.Tyrells workshop actually did a video on the subject.
Unfortunately, Iain Tyrell was incorrect on that point; the design for Camargue was actually finalised in 1969 just before the launch of the Fiat 130 coupé. Although this video is quite good, there is a lot of incorrect information.
I can't help but visualise Lady Penelope when seeing the front end of the Camargue... I also remember not knowing how to pronounce the name of this car as a young lad 🤣
I appreciate that you give not only the 'official' adjusted for inflation price but also the 'real' adjusted for inflation price (i.e house price comparison). Not many history channels bother to do that.
Thanks Ruairidh, this has always been my favorite Rolls, and I've never understood all the hate for this car's stying. I now understand it was seen as too similar to less expensive models common in the 1970s. I think it's a timeless design and appreciation of it will keep growing.
I think the design allowed for a generous cabin and good ride, it appears very wide for its length and this is the model that attracted me to Rolls Royce cars. it was in production for 11 years and over 500 made so I would call it successful.
Especially when you consider just how expensive this model was back in 1975 ,and later on .No wonder only approximately 530 were ever built !. So rare are they, most people will never actually see one on the roads.......
@@alancrisp1582 True and it was one heck of a prestige vehicle in its time with a light airy sumptuous interior thanks to the large glass area. Sure it may have a look of FIAT but the design deserved to be put out there. It will join the ranks of other rare cars we are unlikely to see.
Another great upload mate! With the research you put in and the production quality being, my I say, excellent...I'm sharing your channel as much as possible, huge cheers from the commonwealth of Canada mate! Or as the Yankees say...Props!
"A new generation of buyer....." i.e. me, "....found a soft spot....." for Camilla, MYY168X, that you filmed at the NEC in November 2022. Glad to finally see the full video released. They are lovely old things, despite the similarity of the underpinnings (okay let's face it identical!) to a Corniche of the same era, the Camargue feels even more sedate and stately to drive. How do I know? Well I've got both of course. Camilla > Cornelius for ride comfort and overall imperious feel!
Do a video on the Citroën SM! I own one. My grandfather also had a Maserati Khamsin, Maserati Ghibli, and A.L.F.A. Romeo Montreal. My grandfather bought them used back in the 80’s/90’s when they were worth almost nothing.
"Alfa" is not spelt as an acronym anymore so you don't need to spell it as "A.L.F.A" - any reason why you did so. The brands name is simply "Alfa Romeo". The word "Alfa" in Italian is borrowed from the Greek language, which we all know is the first letter of the Greek alphabet so there’s a linkage Roy being “first”.
I’ve just bought one. Love it. Though there’s apparently quite a lot of mechanical difference between it and Shadows according to my mechanic, whose worked on dozens of the latter. I have a FHC Corniche too, but the Camargue has been a dream car of mine since I was a kid and a lady in my village bought one new…
Just a footnote.Despite RR being the ultumates in luxury and refinenement during to 70,s and 80,s they still rotted as quickly as a mk1/2 Ford granada Ghia.Many old Rolls ended up on banger ovals just the same.Once second hand parts and repairs made them mere scrap.
They didn't rot at anything like the same rate as a spam can ford. The Shadow was the first car to make extensive use of galvanised underbody panels and was well protected.
I still remember the first one of these I saw. I was managing a Ferrari dealership, and a Mexican customer pulled up in one. I thought it was a Buick until I saw the badge on the boot lid! That would never have been true of a Corniche...
I think that my Grandad had that car before and he said to me that it was so comfortable and very luxurious. Even though my Grandad wasn’t that rich but he did afforded to get that car.
Truly a unique car, I've been to quite a few classic car shows but can't recollect ever having seen one in real life, let alone on the road. Did the car in the end generate a profit for Rolls Royce, and did it meet sales targets?
I always liked the boldness of RR in making this car. Compared to it's dull mainstream models it was special and a bit weird, but not as far out as it's rival the wedge Lagonda.
The Shadow like the Cloud was beautifully built and designed. There was real flowing harmony in the design. The rear tail lights for example were integrated into the flowing body lines. The cars avoided being slab sided through clever design and placement of trim. The Carmargue however was amateurish being designed really as a 2 door silhouette and not from a 3 dimensional perspective. It didn't work and its size did it no favours. Compared to a Ferrari 400 or a Fiat 130 it was obese and lacked the elegance of a Corniche. Nevertheless it wasn't the worst RR design IMO.
£29,000 could get you a 7-Bedroom House in the Home Counties during the Mid-70s then? You know house prices are crazy in the London Metropolis when you remember that such a house would cost a 1000 times more today.
The waist rail was surely pressed stainless and door handles were chromed but over brass? Regarding the licensing of certain parts from Citroen that is true, very early Shadows have a plate stating such.
Not true. The plate covers a particular design concept that was almost insignificant and no Citroen parts were used. In later Shadows and all Shadow II vehicles it became redundant.
@@byteme9718 If RR had to use a plate to identify that they paid a license fee for ANY part or protected idea that belonged to Citroen, they did? Insignificant to you or not? Simple fact. I agree they rarely used actual Citroen parts other than the gas balls (green) that Citroen themselves used. I think you'll note that I said 'very early Shadows'?
@@paulbedford9816 My statement was very clear, no Citroen parts were used and the protected idea didn't relate to the hydraulic side of either brakes or suspension. The significance is that reality is very different to the myths that were seeded soon after the SY cars were reported on by the press. The green spheres on SZ cars were not Citroen parts. They look the same but have different fill pressures.
To the existing standard measurements of "area of a football field", "area the size of Wales" and "the weight of an elephant", we can now add "the price of a Mini Clubman"!
It's a butterface. The round headlights are the most discordant style note, especially since their surround doesn't quite match the turn signal clusters at any point - all-amber or all-clear white except an amber side reflector ones on US-spec models would've helped a bit and the prototype with quad square sealed beam headlights should've gone into production immediately. Other than that it's still a bit too tall for a coupe, the 1977-79 Buick LeSabre and Pontiac Catalina coupes were a more successful adaptation of Fiat 130 design cues to a really big car (I'm leaving the Bonneville out because its' skirted rear fenders reintroduced a heaviness the base design avoided).
I did not like the Camargue at all initially, largely due to the ugly headlights. My neighbor had one in an exceptionally unattractive shade of orange-red. I still don't like the color, but I have gradually come to like the car. I think the original design with European headlights or even the square ones so popular in the US at the time would have made a huge improvement.
Hilarious to think that Jag or M-B would have been even mildly interested in the Camargue and conducting espionage. Sat back and watched it fail more like!
Awesome review very informative…. Noted again how Joe Public (us plebs) bailed out Rolls Royce to enable the development and supply of the RR jet engines…..
I caught several mistakes already in the first 30 seconds. The car was never intended to replace the Corniche that was only a couple of years old at yhe time, it was thought of as an upward extension of the line-up. It wasn't "The first" Rolls-Royce designed outside the company. In fact, it is almost the other way around. Up until rhe fifties, most Rolls-Royce bodies was not only designed but also built outside the company. The Silver Dawn/Wraith was the first "in-house" design, followed by the Silver Cloud, Silver Shadow, and the Corniche. So, there had only been four models previous to the Camargue that could be considered being designed by Rolls-Royce themselves. Also, even though the Corniche and other special models had been built by Mulliner Park Ward "outside" the company, that company had been acquired by Rolls Royce in 1959.
@@chrisdavidson911 In some cases, yes. There are several notorious cases of cars being designed and built by coachbuilders that didn't met the approval of RR. Of course, most coachbuilders built their cars with the company's blessing. My point being, before the late forties, they didn't have any design department less a designer of their own, because *ALL* of their cars were built and designed outside the company. The Styling Department was only made an entity of its own within the company in 1951 in preparation for the Silver Cloud and with John Blatchley heading it who had previously designed cars for the outside coachbuilder Gurney Nutting.
If anything, the earlier coachbuilt cars were essentially one-offs built to customer specification on a standard RR chassis, which was common practice for all luxury car makers. The only thing on those bodies provided by the chassis makers was usually the radiator grille. The Carmague was a serial production vehicle though, with its standard body being a Pininfarina design. To my knowledge none of the standard Bentley and Rolls-Royce bodies prior to it (keyword being standard bodies) were outsourced to outside coachbuilders.
@@mrspandel5737 it wasn't even the first time that Pininfarina was involved in the design process. Pininfarina designed a one-off coupe on a Bentley chassis in the early fifties that was the inspiration for the in-house Bentley Continental. Pininfarina was also hired in secret as a design consultant for the Silver Shadow, a fact that Rolls Royce themselves tried to hide, as it was very important to them that it looked like their first "Single Bow" design was made by themselves and not by an outside party. If you compare the Silver Shadow against the Pininfarina designed Peugeot 403 of 1955, you'll notice that the Silver Shadow is nothing but the concept of the 403 scaled up.
At the first year of production and release, the most expensive car 🚙 in the world. Very rare indeed, only approximately 530 units produced over 11 years. And never at the rate of more than one per week. Only the much later Silver Seraph comes second, in terms of so few built .This model is so rare, i have never actually seen one up close !........😮
I had to re-wind twice at 11.00secs as I thought I must have misheard that the 6.75 litre engine could produce 200bhp!. No wonder RR shied away from publicly disclosing this figure, merely referring to their engines as being 'adequate'.
Unlike Lincoln's Mark III, Jaguar's XJS and Mercedes' SL - all of which were rakish, more expensive coupe versions of well-established corporate sedans, the Camargue REFUSED to be significantly smaller or more youthful. Even with its pedigreed bodywork, the lumbering aristocrat failed to cast aside the staid noblesse oblige that defined Mummy's motor as the Lincoln, Jag and Merc had successfully done.
🤔 Really ,Have you ever actually driven a Rolls_Royce vehicle fitted with this engine ?. Let alone are Turbo version !. Since besides their wight and an automatic gearbox, are very powerful vehicles, then and now !........
Yes, but on how many other engines would you be able to balance a coin on its edge while its running? That's what really matters to car buyers! But remember that this engine was developed over time, and it was more about torque than power. As a result, when this engine was eventually replaced by shiny new BMW V12, so many buyers hated it that they brought the V8 back out of retirement as a 'red label' edition - that's what it means when you see it on the back of a Rolls or Bentley. Someone who has driven both said that the V12 didn't have the instant torque that the V8 has, that's why he prefers the V8. So an old engine being brought back out of retirement due to customer demand says something about it that it has some quality that people just liked.
@@alancrisp1582 So its got torque low down. Fine. But they couldn't be bothered to do anything to make it rev or breathe. Which makes it a one trick, flat-footed pony. And then they stuck with it for years. As I said, over-hyped.
This is the ONLY R.R. model that I can honestly say that I wouldn't lift a finger if I saw one in a motorcar crusher somewhere. Since the early 1900's we've always been an R.R. family. (And Cadillac) Both sets of grandparents had 1965 R.R. SC3's that we still have in perfect working order. Over the yrs we've had almost every model or the RR line up. But this Camargue was such an abomination and slap in the face of what the artistry of the lines of the RRs were, that my father STILL carries on about it to this day!! He would say, "Appealing to the nouveau riche is no way to keep the mystique and exclusivity of this treasured line in tact." I have to agree with him. Look at what's buying them today? Just rubbish. Just because you can afford to buy a R.R. doesn't mean you should be able to own one.
@@byteme9718 We're a R.R. family. Still have 2 of our Great grandparent's 1965 SC3's. We've had the Silver Shadows, and Corniche. So I doubt this FUGLY thing drives anywhere better or worse then what we have. So don't assume people do not know what a RR drives like.
I always really liked these but in retrospect, once you see a Fiat 130, you can sort of see what the critics were getting at! I personally think that is more to the credit of the Fiat than the detriment of the Rolls but if you had just shelled out the price of a luxury house I could see why you might feel differently!
My dream car is a Rolls-Royce. Any of them. So it's great to see them here. I like it, personally. But I am an American, so... maybe it's supposed to appeal to me?
200 hp out of a 6.75 liter engine is medieval. Steam engines were more effective than that. Out of 6.75 liters I expect at absolute least 480 hp. If Japan can get 100 hp out of one liter, then this bucket has to get 1 hp out of every cubic inch. Everything else is to be put directly into the skip.
No they don't use Citroen's suspension system, they licensed the technology. This story has been around since the Romans were in Britain. The first Silver Shadow started this (1965) when they used Citroen technology for their high-pressure braking system. ALL Silver Shadows from '65 to '80 have four coil springs as suspension. Where the story surfaced was that the rear tail-lift mechanism was accomplished by using the high pressure from the brake system to raise or lower the rear end of the car based upon load.
I have no idea where this myth originated but I suspect it was due to a lazy journalist making things up. His article, when referenced, would then spread this ignorance and you see this with other cars. There's nothing of the car that even remotely resembles any Citroen part and that "Citroen technology" as far as I have researched refers to a small link between No. 1 and No.2 brake distribution valves. The rest was all existing technology developed by Rolls-Royce.
It's more copying the Americans. The rear looks so much like a Caprice/Impala from the 70's that if it were yellow, many in the States will think you slapped a Rolls-Royce grill on a taxi cab.
With the mispronunciation of 'Gallic', I'm now absolutely certain that this isn't narrated by a real person. Am I late to this realisation? I really should have figured this out ages ago. The stilted and formulaic intonation patterns are just too limited and unnatural. 🤦🏼♂️ Who coded the narration bot? Could they possibly install an upgrade, or apply a patch thingy here?
@@assininecomment1630 Ruairidh is a real person and he works his ass of for great educational videos all for free and you are just suggesting the man doesn’t even exist. You can google his name you know
Two fun facts not mentioned in this video: 1) Rolls used Citroen's hydrodynamic syspension system and built it under licence, 2) The FAB1 was the only representational of a fictional car that Rolls-Royce allowed to have the Rolls-Royce name on it, and you can see why as it fitted their identity and was great for marketing purposes.
The hydraulic suspension was only used on the rear and when the car was in park but running, it self leved twice as fast as it did when the car was in motion.
@@brianiswrong Ok, that's a detail I didn't know! Are you saying that the front had traditional coil springs and shock absorbers?
I am editing this in light of information I was unaware of and a thank you to Richard Smeet for correcting my error.
When Hollywood decided to make the film "Thunderbirds"*, Rolls Royce declined to build a car for the film.
So that version of "Fab 1" is a Ford creation.
*this was actually the 3rd Thunderbirds film after "Thunderbirds Are Go" and "Thunderbird 6"
You are correct.The difference being ( unlike citreons) the braking hydraulics ran an independant system.
@@lordcaptainvonthrust3rd the Ford Thunderbird is used in the thirth Thunderbirds movie. There are 3 Thunderbird movies.
the first 2 movies "thunderbirds are go"1966 and "Thunderbird 6" 1968 have the original RR model of the Fab1.
A Thunderbird movie without a Rolls Royce other UK luxury brand Fab1 is in my view a sacriledge!
In the 2004 Thunderbirds movie Lady Penelope should at least had a Range Rover /Jaguar / Aston Martin who were at that time part of the Ford Motor companny.
I always found the Carmague to be one of the best looking cars Rolls produced during that era. Part of that being a result of not liking much of the 70’s and 80’s Rolls baroque design aesthetic, which the Carmague eschewed in favor of cleaner, more original angular styling. To my eyes as a kid, it appeared to be what a future-looking Rolls-Royce should be. I especially like the 3-quarter views and the integration of the pillars into the shoulder-line. I’d proudly drive one of these beasts.
Agreed, its design is very elegant.
A neighbour of mine, when I was a boy, ran a Camargue.
It was brown, and he very rarely actually drove it. It just sat there on his driveway, getting washed and polished religiously every Friday.
Your videos are always excellent. The quality and rarity of the archive clips goes far beyond anything similar. Many thanks
Absolutely my favorite Rolls Royce, largely owing to its looks.
For those curious with the reference made to the appeances being similar to the Fiat Coupe is because the main desighner at RR in Crewe spotted a visitors Fiat in the car park and wanted to ape its general looks which is exactly how the carmage did.Even the seats and stitching were homaged as he was so impressed with the Fiats styling that was modern and extremely luxurious at the time.He realised that RR needed a general more contemporary look for greater appeal.Tyrells workshop actually did a video on the subject.
Unfortunately, Iain Tyrell was incorrect on that point; the design for Camargue was actually finalised in 1969 just before the launch of the Fiat 130 coupé. Although this video is quite good, there is a lot of incorrect information.
I can't help but visualise Lady Penelope when seeing the front end of the Camargue... I also remember not knowing how to pronounce the name of this car as a young lad 🤣
@@JSDesign.Hongkong Tyrell is a fraudster, that's why he gets so much wrong. Everything he tries to portray is fake including his business.
Often considered an ugly duckling but my personal favourite rolls - beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Agreed. I've always found these handsome and interesting.
I appreciate that you give not only the 'official' adjusted for inflation price but also the 'real' adjusted for inflation price (i.e house price comparison). Not many history channels bother to do that.
Agreed, it gives one proper perspective.
Congrats on the 100K 🏆 Nice video as always, thanks 👍
I always wondered about this model’s history. It more fascinating than I expected. Thanks for the history lesson. Cheers.
Thanks Ruairidh, this has always been my favorite Rolls, and I've never understood all the hate for this car's stying. I now understand it was seen as too similar to less expensive models common in the 1970s. I think it's a timeless design and appreciation of it will keep growing.
The Roller no less, I love waking up to you and your uploads every Saturday and thanks again 👍 ☘️
Indeed - Ruairidh's vids are appointment viewing for me!
Nice to see your own work included in the video.
I think the design allowed for a generous cabin and good ride, it appears very wide for its length and this is the model that attracted me to Rolls Royce cars. it was in production for 11 years and over 500 made so I would call it successful.
Especially when you consider just how expensive this model was back in 1975 ,and later on .No wonder only approximately 530 were ever built !. So rare are they, most people will never actually see one on the roads.......
@@alancrisp1582 True and it was one heck of a prestige vehicle in its time with a light airy sumptuous interior thanks to the large glass area. Sure it may have a look of FIAT but the design deserved to be put out there. It will join the ranks of other rare cars we are unlikely to see.
@@anthonyxuereb792 👍Absolutely highly collectable !.
As a Bentley this car makes a huge deal more sense to me! Shake they didn’t progress that idea further and earlier.
Another great upload mate! With the research you put in and the production quality being, my I say, excellent...I'm sharing your channel as much as possible, huge cheers from the commonwealth of Canada mate! Or as the Yankees say...Props!
Hands down the coolest Roller out there
I think this car is beautiful and has a very strong and authoritative front end.
"A new generation of buyer....." i.e. me, "....found a soft spot....." for Camilla, MYY168X, that you filmed at the NEC in November 2022. Glad to finally see the full video released. They are lovely old things, despite the similarity of the underpinnings (okay let's face it identical!) to a Corniche of the same era, the Camargue feels even more sedate and stately to drive. How do I know? Well I've got both of course. Camilla > Cornelius for ride comfort and overall imperious feel!
Looks great
thanks for this perfect documentation. Short and informative
Do a video on the Citroën SM! I own one. My grandfather also had a Maserati Khamsin, Maserati Ghibli, and A.L.F.A. Romeo Montreal. My grandfather bought them used back in the 80’s/90’s when they were worth almost nothing.
"Alfa" is not spelt as an acronym anymore so you don't need to spell it as "A.L.F.A" - any reason why you did so. The brands name is simply "Alfa Romeo". The word "Alfa" in Italian is borrowed from the Greek language, which we all know is the first letter of the Greek alphabet so there’s a linkage Roy being “first”.
I’ve just bought one. Love it. Though there’s apparently quite a lot of mechanical difference between it and Shadows according to my mechanic, whose worked on dozens of the latter. I have a FHC Corniche too, but the Camargue has been a dream car of mine since I was a kid and a lady in my village bought one new…
Just a footnote.Despite RR being the ultumates in luxury and refinenement during to 70,s and 80,s they still rotted as quickly as a mk1/2 Ford granada Ghia.Many old Rolls ended up on banger ovals just the same.Once second hand parts and repairs made them mere scrap.
They didn't rot at anything like the same rate as a spam can ford. The Shadow was the first car to make extensive use of galvanised underbody panels and was well protected.
A very underestimated motor car. Personally i would love to own one ❤
‘Rumble of the production line’! One’s RR does not ‘rumble’, it wafts! What what.
one of the most beautiful Rolls (car) ever created in this world.
The Fiat 130 coupe definitely a better looker.
I still remember the first one of these I saw. I was managing a Ferrari dealership, and a Mexican customer pulled up in one. I thought it was a Buick until I saw the badge on the boot lid! That would never have been true of a Corniche...
why is there a Skoda Octavia/Spartak at 2:04 ???
I think that my Grandad had that car before and he said to me that it was so comfortable and very luxurious. Even though my Grandad wasn’t that rich but he did afforded to get that car.
The engine of the Shadow remained of 6.2 displacement for a number of years after its introduction.
The original Shadows didn't have a 6.7 V8,they had a 6.2
Very interesting, thanks.
As much as I love your interesting planes, cars and trains videos, I hate the speed of your narration and there's nothing I can do about it
Slow down the playback speed in settings
Truly a unique car, I've been to quite a few classic car shows but can't recollect ever having seen one in real life, let alone on the road. Did the car in the end generate a profit for Rolls Royce, and did it meet sales targets?
No and no.
Hi there,
The only time I can remember seeing one on the road was on Park Lane in London.
Camargue was up with the times and I thought it rather fetching!
Looks like the Volvo 780, it was also designed in Italy. Check it out.
It was designed for Sheikh Yer Money and his mates. I always found it gauche.
Not compared to the conspicuous wealth, look at me pimp mobiles of today.
If one day you look for an interesting video, think about the Astom Martin Lagonda. Quite something too!
Beautiful car, it really is.
Honest question here:was it a good or bad car? I think it is absolutely beautiful!!
It was a great car. Only thing people of the time complained about was the styling, that's it.
I always liked the boldness of RR in making this car. Compared to it's dull mainstream models it was special and a bit weird, but not as far out as it's rival the wedge Lagonda.
The Shadow like the Cloud was beautifully built and designed. There was real flowing harmony in the design. The rear tail lights for example were integrated into the flowing body lines. The cars avoided being slab sided through clever design and placement of trim. The Carmargue however was amateurish being designed really as a 2 door silhouette and not from a 3 dimensional perspective. It didn't work and its size did it no favours. Compared to a Ferrari 400 or a Fiat 130 it was obese and lacked the elegance of a Corniche. Nevertheless it wasn't the worst RR design IMO.
I think it looks good if not better.
( used to own a silver shadow - fun shocking other drivers with the English setup)
£29,000 could get you a 7-Bedroom House in the Home Counties during the Mid-70s then?
You know house prices are crazy in the London Metropolis when you remember that such a house would cost a 1000 times more today.
My dad likes the Camargue and still has it in his garage.
The waist rail was surely pressed stainless and door handles were chromed but over brass?
Regarding the licensing of certain parts from Citroen that is true, very early Shadows have a plate stating such.
Not true. The plate covers a particular design concept that was almost insignificant and no Citroen parts were used. In later Shadows and all Shadow II vehicles it became redundant.
@@byteme9718 If RR had to use a plate to identify that they paid a license fee for ANY part or protected idea that belonged to Citroen, they did? Insignificant to you or not? Simple fact.
I agree they rarely used actual Citroen parts other than the gas balls (green) that Citroen themselves used. I think you'll note that I said 'very early Shadows'?
@@paulbedford9816 My statement was very clear, no Citroen parts were used and the protected idea didn't relate to the hydraulic side of either brakes or suspension. The significance is that reality is very different to the myths that were seeded soon after the SY cars were reported on by the press.
The green spheres on SZ cars were not Citroen parts. They look the same but have different fill pressures.
You can definitely see the influence on the Giles Taylor cars.
Brilliant.🇬🇧⭐️🔱
I drove my dads when I was 15.Two years before I was legally allowed to drive.
😂🙂 You were then a very lucky boy 👦. As most mere mortals in the world today, could never say that, with regards to this car !...
What's the difference between Bentley, Rolls Royce, Daimler Benz, Mercedes Benz and Man Utd and England footy teams?
Captions are a blob at the start of the video, i turn on transcript they come on in order, i use the video cc, they arrive as blob.
I think I've seen 2 on the road, the 1st was a really tasteful (not) shade of bright gold. Looked like it had been gold plated, about 1980.
To the existing standard measurements of "area of a football field", "area the size of Wales" and "the weight of an elephant", we can now add "the price of a Mini Clubman"!
I think it’s beautiful. I want one someday 😭
Buen vídeo sobre esa belleza y rareza de coche
Is this a reupload due to YT? I watched this the other day.
Still looks nice! Very Italian!
It's a butterface. The round headlights are the most discordant style note, especially since their surround doesn't quite match the turn signal clusters at any point - all-amber or all-clear white except an amber side reflector ones on US-spec models would've helped a bit and the prototype with quad square sealed beam headlights should've gone into production immediately.
Other than that it's still a bit too tall for a coupe, the 1977-79 Buick LeSabre and Pontiac Catalina coupes were a more successful adaptation of Fiat 130 design cues to a really big car (I'm leaving the Bonneville out because its' skirted rear fenders reintroduced a heaviness the base design avoided).
I did not like the Camargue at all initially, largely due to the ugly headlights. My neighbor had one in an exceptionally unattractive shade of orange-red. I still don't like the color, but I have gradually come to like the car. I think the original design with European headlights or even the square ones so popular in the US at the time would have made a huge improvement.
now THAT'S exciting.
FDL… that is an Isle of Wight registration; DL being the islands registration until the new & current system came in.
Hilarious to think that Jag or M-B would have been even mildly interested in the Camargue and conducting espionage. Sat back and watched it fail more like!
Awesome review very informative…. Noted again how Joe Public (us plebs) bailed out Rolls Royce to enable the development and supply of the RR jet engines…..
Beautiful Blue Camargue which was once in my care….
It look like the result of a one night stand between a Rolls Royce and a Cadilac
I caught several mistakes already in the first 30 seconds. The car was never intended to replace the Corniche that was only a couple of years old at yhe time, it was thought of as an upward extension of the line-up. It wasn't "The first" Rolls-Royce designed outside the company. In fact, it is almost the other way around. Up until rhe fifties, most Rolls-Royce bodies was not only designed but also built outside the company. The Silver Dawn/Wraith was the first "in-house" design, followed by the Silver Cloud, Silver Shadow, and the Corniche. So, there had only been four models previous to the Camargue that could be considered being designed by Rolls-Royce themselves. Also, even though the Corniche and other special models had been built by Mulliner Park Ward "outside" the company, that company had been acquired by Rolls Royce in 1959.
those bodies that were designed and built by someone else, you think Rolls had zero input into them?
@@chrisdavidson911 In some cases, yes. There are several notorious cases of cars being designed and built by coachbuilders that didn't met the approval of RR. Of course, most coachbuilders built their cars with the company's blessing. My point being, before the late forties, they didn't have any design department less a designer of their own, because *ALL* of their cars were built and designed outside the company. The Styling Department was only made an entity of its own within the company in 1951 in preparation for the Silver Cloud and with John Blatchley heading it who had previously designed cars for the outside coachbuilder Gurney Nutting.
If anything, the earlier coachbuilt cars were essentially one-offs built to customer specification on a standard RR chassis, which was common practice for all luxury car makers. The only thing on those bodies provided by the chassis makers was usually the radiator grille. The Carmague was a serial production vehicle though, with its standard body being a Pininfarina design. To my knowledge none of the standard Bentley and Rolls-Royce bodies prior to it (keyword being standard bodies) were outsourced to outside coachbuilders.
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it wasn't even the first time that Pininfarina was involved in the design process. Pininfarina designed a one-off coupe on a Bentley chassis in the early fifties that was the inspiration for the in-house Bentley Continental. Pininfarina was also hired in secret as a design consultant for the Silver Shadow, a fact that Rolls Royce themselves tried to hide, as it was very important to them that it looked like their first "Single Bow" design was made by themselves and not by an outside party. If you compare the Silver Shadow against the Pininfarina designed Peugeot 403 of 1955, you'll notice that the Silver Shadow is nothing but the concept of the 403 scaled up.
It’s so beautiful now.
Looks like a Brittish malaise car 😅
At the first year of production and release, the most expensive car 🚙 in the world. Very rare indeed, only approximately 530 units produced over 11 years. And never at the rate of more than one per week. Only the much later Silver Seraph comes second, in terms of so few built .This model is so rare, i have never actually seen one up close !........😮
Actually the Bentley Mulsanne Turbo was slightly rarer, albeit a Crewe stablemate rather than a Rolls
Buyers would queue up to pay 7 figures for an all new Silver Ghost updating the 60s design.
I had to re-wind twice at 11.00secs as I thought I must have misheard that the 6.75 litre engine could produce 200bhp!. No wonder RR shied away from publicly disclosing this figure, merely referring to their engines as being 'adequate'.
Probably an above average bhp number for a v8 in the 70s.
You don't understand what horsepower is.
"Haitch J..." "A Sarah Moanie" Rolls and Royce would spin in their graves!
But then, ya gotta change with the times for the consumer.
Unlike Lincoln's Mark III, Jaguar's XJS and Mercedes' SL - all of which were rakish, more expensive coupe versions of well-established corporate sedans, the Camargue REFUSED to be significantly smaller or more youthful. Even with its pedigreed bodywork, the lumbering aristocrat failed to cast aside the staid noblesse oblige that defined Mummy's motor as the Lincoln, Jag and Merc had successfully done.
In the seventies, their core market consisted of chauffeur driven toffs, funeral and wedding cars so sales of a two door were never going to be great.
Unpopular Opinion: I have a hunch that the Spectre would end up like the Carmague.
You can see what The Simpsons based 'The Homer' on.
That would be the Mohs Ostentatienne Opera Sedan.
30bhp/litre. Woo. The RR 6.75 must be the most over-hyped and under-performing engine in the history of internal combustion.
Don't forget the later versions of the GM 8.2 litre V8. Or the final versions of the RR/B L-series in the Arnage T.
@@htimsid You're right. It's utterly pointless.
🤔 Really ,Have you ever actually driven a Rolls_Royce vehicle fitted with this engine ?. Let alone are Turbo version !. Since besides their wight and an automatic gearbox, are very powerful vehicles, then and now !........
Yes, but on how many other engines would you be able to balance a coin on its edge while its running? That's what really matters to car buyers! But remember that this engine was developed over time, and it was more about torque than power. As a result, when this engine was eventually replaced by shiny new BMW V12, so many buyers hated it that they brought the V8 back out of retirement as a 'red label' edition - that's what it means when you see it on the back of a Rolls or Bentley. Someone who has driven both said that the V12 didn't have the instant torque that the V8 has, that's why he prefers the V8. So an old engine being brought back out of retirement due to customer demand says something about it that it has some quality that people just liked.
@@alancrisp1582 So its got torque low down. Fine. But they couldn't be bothered to do anything to make it rev or breathe. Which makes it a one trick, flat-footed pony. And then they stuck with it for years.
As I said, over-hyped.
This is the ONLY R.R. model that I can honestly say that I wouldn't lift a finger if I saw one in a motorcar crusher somewhere.
Since the early 1900's we've always been an R.R. family. (And Cadillac) Both sets of grandparents had 1965 R.R. SC3's that we still have in perfect working order. Over the yrs we've had almost every model or the RR line up. But this Camargue was such an abomination and slap in the face of what the artistry of the lines of the RRs were, that my father STILL carries on about it to this day!! He would say, "Appealing to the nouveau riche is no way to keep the mystique and exclusivity of this treasured line in tact." I have to agree with him. Look at what's buying them today? Just rubbish.
Just because you can afford to buy a R.R. doesn't mean you should be able to own one.
You've obviously never driven one. They quickly grow on you.
@@byteme9718 We're a R.R. family. Still have 2 of our Great grandparent's 1965 SC3's. We've had the Silver Shadows, and Corniche. So I doubt this FUGLY thing drives anywhere better or worse then what we have. So don't assume people do not know what a RR drives like.
"Industrial espionage by Mercedes"
😂 yeah, right
Wonder if anyone has stretched one of these for use as a limousine?
I always really liked these but in retrospect, once you see a Fiat 130, you can sort of see what the critics were getting at! I personally think that is more to the credit of the Fiat than the detriment of the Rolls but if you had just shelled out the price of a luxury house I could see why you might feel differently!
The falconry conversion was $396k then or in todays money inflation-adjusted?
So you tell us Crew - a major transport hub - is in Cheshire , but where the flip is Willerersden?😂
Willesden - that's in London
Why so much more expensive in the US than UK? ($147k against £29k). £ did not cost more than 2.4 $ in 1975.
It's not 15% difference, it's 100% difference. Or is it about a specific unit which cost in options 80% more than the base US MSRP?
My dream car is a Rolls-Royce. Any of them. So it's great to see them here.
I like it, personally. But I am an American, so... maybe it's supposed to appeal to me?
It would have been better if the Italians just bolted a Rolls grill on a Fiat 130 Coupé.
I heard that the falconry car was comissioned by the king of Morocco, not an Arabian sheikh.
200 hp out of a 6.75 liter engine is medieval. Steam engines were more effective than that. Out of 6.75 liters I expect at absolute least 480 hp. If Japan can get 100 hp out of one liter, then this bucket has to get 1 hp out of every cubic inch. Everything else is to be put directly into the skip.
No they don't use Citroen's suspension system, they licensed the technology. This story has been around since the Romans were in Britain. The first Silver Shadow started this (1965) when they used Citroen technology for their high-pressure braking system. ALL Silver Shadows from '65 to '80 have four coil springs as suspension. Where the story surfaced was that the rear tail-lift mechanism was accomplished by using the high pressure from the brake system to raise or lower the rear end of the car based upon load.
I have no idea where this myth originated but I suspect it was due to a lazy journalist making things up. His article, when referenced, would then spread this ignorance and you see this with other cars. There's nothing of the car that even remotely resembles any Citroen part and that "Citroen technology" as far as I have researched refers to a small link between No. 1 and No.2 brake distribution valves. The rest was all existing technology developed by Rolls-Royce.
It's more copying the Americans. The rear looks so much like a Caprice/Impala from the 70's that if it were yellow, many in the States will think you slapped a Rolls-Royce grill on a taxi cab.
It even used a GM transmission!
That said, the interior is stunning....
The Camargue built by Sbarro was not made for any arabian sheikh, but for HRH The King of Morocco
More like an Italian MISadventure.
What a stupid idea... and not even 4 doors!
With the mispronunciation of 'Gallic', I'm now absolutely certain that this isn't narrated by a real person. Am I late to this realisation?
I really should have figured this out ages ago. The stilted and formulaic intonation patterns are just too limited and unnatural. 🤦🏼♂️
Who coded the narration bot? Could they possibly install an upgrade, or apply a patch thingy here?
No, it’s narrated by a real person, he mispronounces the letter H as ‘haitch’.
Wow you are so funny. I suggest you go on and make your own videos then so we can all marvel at your correct pronunciation
Funny, @@MrJimheeren? 🤷🏼♂️ What attempt at being funny, did I make?
@@assininecomment1630 Ruairidh is a real person and he works his ass of for great educational videos all for free and you are just suggesting the man doesn’t even exist. You can google his name you know
H,@@AtheistOrphan?
What are you talking about?
The narration says "gor-lick", instead of 'gal-lic'.
The sheiks version: the Rolls Royce Carmoke
Rolls Royce 's Italian job😂
I've never seen a Camargue before.
Hope I never see one again.
How can you see one again when you've never seen one?
@@heidirabenau511 Before this video. Geez, keep up. 🙄
You need not worry about that .As this model Rolls_Royce is so rare ,you might like myself. Never actually see one driving 🚘 on the road !.....
@@alancrisp1582 That's a relief 😄