Former paramedic here. I had an hour long conversation with a man (talking him down) who had stabbed himself in the chest ten times. He had multiple bubbling/sucking chest wounds on both sides. We finally had to sedate and intubate him to get him on a chopper. When he went under, both lungs collapsed immediately. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
I love that they are talking about lighted nocks. I had the same issues forever especially with guys I know shooting really fast bows. It seems insane to me not to be able to SEE your arrow in flight, and see where it hits.. Hearing someone say, "I think I hit him pretty good!" But, not being able to tell me exactly where, is so frustrating. Shooting a recurve I've always relied on big bright colored feathers to show me exactly where I hit, and even then, it can all happen so fast. But I want to know EXACTLY what I hit, down to which lobe of which lung, and what rib I hit.
Have learn so much from both of your gentlemen’s shared experiences. On this subject: Shane’s vids & analysis of his tracks have greatly influenced in the training of my dachshund. Much thanks to you both!
I switched to adult arrows and broadheads 4 years ago and I've watched 6 deer die within 60 yards and a 200lb pig . Still using the same VPA heads from 4 years ago too with multiple kills on them.
I love watching both of you awesome seeing a video together. I binge watched both of your channels last fall and pretty much all winter after wounding a potentially 200"+ 6 year old buck in the hills of Richland county Wisconsin. (Light arrows Expandable broadheads shooting fast) Arrow Turned into guts at impact passed out the other side. Never recovered. Changed to the heavy arrow single bevel setup will never go back! Keep up the awesome research and videos boys!
Great interview. So much great information man. I feel like you guys could have went another hr easy and I'd be still glued to it! Very cool. Thanks troy
Around the 19 min mark. When Shane talks about the deer that was shot good and lived for at least 3 weeks, it took me back to a big 8 I shot years ago. To me it was a perfect shot, 3 blade Muzzy, double lung, broadside, complete passthrough, blood spraying like a fountain, arrow covered in bubbly blood... I trailed him across 2 sections until I lost blood in a tall CRP field and never recovered him. I've relived that hunt over and over again. I watched a show with Wadel and T-bone some years back where they both shot the same deer through the same hole, and they were 2000 yds apart (not sure what their arrow setup was). Both shots looked perfect on camera. So, I could never understand how they can survive a "perfect" show. I know Troy preaches broadhead sharpness, but I never really thought about it until I started watching a month or so ago and I have to wonder if that was the problem. What I have noticed on the "tried and true" Muzzy and others is that the blades are completely mangled, but never really thought much of it. I have made the conscience decision to go to single bevel, cut on contact blades and perfect arrows for next year. Thanks Troy for all the hard work you put in!
Great Information. Would definitely like to see more of these interviews. Thanks for all information you provide backed with stubborn things called facts.
Off subject, but I have never figured out why when someone's child winds up missing, 200 people show up to search when all they need is - one dog. Back on topic, the last 3 bucks I shot, did not react at all before the arrow hit. The last 4 doe's I shot, all reacted violently before arrow strikes and resulted in high shoulder "no man's land" hits. The silver lining for Ashby arrow setups, I got "arrow refunds" with arrows that met 10 out of 12 arrow lethality factors. One of the reasons people mistakenly label double lung hits, is because many deer targets are totally incorrect on their lung/heart size AND location.
@@Kurtdog63 lmmfao!!! Scared parents: please help, my child is missing! KurtDog: make absolutely sure no one goes and looks for your child Anyone: but it could mean life or death!! KurtDog: it doesn't matter!! WE WAIT FOR THE DOG!! 🤡
I've been on such a search out here in the West, and there are almost always dogs involved. Along with helicopters, night vision, etc. They pull out all the stops. I do think the dogs have a disadvantage in that case. Usually the trail is pretty compromised ans stomped over by other people bybthe time the dogs get called in.
I owned a Dalmatian that was 100% on recovery. He didn’t need a blood trail just get him down wind. I’ve had several Great Danes they won’t even make eye contact with a deer. 😂. I’d love to see the rifle data. Friend of mine owned a small sporting good store and kept run off and lost deer by caliber. I’d like to how close your results are to his.
!!Razor sharp blades and pass through!! I’ve had multiple short recoveries on bad shots because sharp blades slice and when you’ve got entry and exit holes the blood can leave the cavity twice as fast and you’ll have something to follow. The last two bucks I shot took two bounds got dizzy and tipped over took a total of ten seconds. One was last night! when you send a razor sharp broadhead through them The hemorrhaging is massive and instant it cuts instead of plows. they’re dead before they even know anything is wrong.
Great video. I've seen a video where the guy was talking about deer dropping (jumping the string) he stated that it takes a little more time for a deer to drop when the deer's head is up vs when it's head is down. Just wandering if you've have any information on this.
I've now shot two deer with a crossbow with lighted knocks and they didn't help at all when it came to telling shot placement it just moves too fast though they do make finding the arrow afterward easier
Hey ranch fairy a good question but idk if you have been asked this but would you make a video of a high FOC arrow like a grizzly stick with a heavy outsert and try it with a expendable broadhead like a swhacker 125 ? There’s really no videos with a high FOC with a flapper on the end would there be a difference? I’m using a high FOC with a expendable than a light normal speed arrow with a expendable ? Would be a cool video
I went to a heavier set up this year and am very pleased. But I'm a mechanical BH guy because I want to know that when I release my arrow it's gonna hit exactly where I aim!!!
The trend is expandable but the first deer I shot with one hit a bone deflected and after looking all day found a rage with a bent tip and no deer. It was the most high percentage shot you could take 15 yards quartering away. I didn’t do my job and the broadhead didn’t do it’s job long sucky day . My muzzys have been sharpened the hit right where I aim at thirty yards and I am working on getting single bevels. So the blades don’t bend when they encounter bone. Just my experience this year be blessed.
I guess I have been lucky enough, to where I haven't needed a tracking dog. I try to take my time and take good shots, that have dropped all my deer within 100 yds (at the farthest).
@ranchfairy I am shooting a 627 grain Apollo arrow with 300 of those grains up front.. I shoot a 150 grain cutthroat.. I shot a buck with it back in late September. I went through both shoulders and the deer expired 80 yards from where I shot him. I have the video on TH-cam not trying to plug my channel or anything but the blood trail I got from that shot was insane.. I’m not shooting for blood but heavy with a single bevel and the deer still bleeds like he got shot with an expandable.. what more could you want.?
A big problem with that whole that whole thing I hit him good is a lot of people just black out they don't know where the h*** they hit the hidden a spike shoot at AA target if you drop your bow arm to peak around and look at that arrow you're gonna miss where it's if you continue to aim you're the aim I feel like you're gonna watch where the arrow hits arrowheads cause you're gonna see it go through your site straight to the target
Former paramedic here. I had an hour long conversation with a man (talking him down) who had stabbed himself in the chest ten times. He had multiple bubbling/sucking chest wounds on both sides. We finally had to sedate and intubate him to get him on a chopper. When he went under, both lungs collapsed immediately. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
This is one of those videos every hunter should watch/listen to. Fantastic content, guys! 👍
Two of the best dudes in the industry, it’s all about the data !!!
I love that they are talking about lighted nocks. I had the same issues forever especially with guys I know shooting really fast bows. It seems insane to me not to be able to SEE your arrow in flight, and see where it hits.. Hearing someone say, "I think I hit him pretty good!" But, not being able to tell me exactly where, is so frustrating.
Shooting a recurve I've always relied on big bright colored feathers to show me exactly where I hit, and even then, it can all happen so fast. But I want to know EXACTLY what I hit, down to which lobe of which lung, and what rib I hit.
Some useful info in this one… thanks to both of you for getting together and putting this out there for people to see.
Have learn so much from both of your gentlemen’s shared experiences. On this subject: Shane’s vids & analysis of his tracks have greatly influenced in the training of my dachshund. Much thanks to you both!
I switched to adult arrows and broadheads 4 years ago and I've watched 6 deer die within 60 yards and a 200lb pig . Still using the same VPA heads from 4 years ago too with multiple kills on them.
“Here’s to you Mister no tracking man”
😂
I love watching both of you awesome seeing a video together.
I binge watched both of your channels last fall and pretty much all winter after wounding a potentially 200"+ 6 year old buck in the hills of Richland county Wisconsin. (Light arrows Expandable broadheads shooting fast)
Arrow Turned into guts at impact passed out the other side. Never recovered. Changed to the heavy arrow single bevel setup will never go back! Keep up the awesome research and videos boys!
Send me a picture of a giant troy@ranchfairy.com
Great interview. So much great information man. I feel like you guys could have went another hr easy and I'd be still glued to it! Very cool. Thanks troy
Shane and Callie are the perfect team
The crossover I needed
Around the 19 min mark. When Shane talks about the deer that was shot good and lived for at least 3 weeks, it took me back to a big 8 I shot years ago. To me it was a perfect shot, 3 blade Muzzy, double lung, broadside, complete passthrough, blood spraying like a fountain, arrow covered in bubbly blood... I trailed him across 2 sections until I lost blood in a tall CRP field and never recovered him. I've relived that hunt over and over again. I watched a show with Wadel and T-bone some years back where they both shot the same deer through the same hole, and they were 2000 yds apart (not sure what their arrow setup was). Both shots looked perfect on camera. So, I could never understand how they can survive a "perfect" show. I know Troy preaches broadhead sharpness, but I never really thought about it until I started watching a month or so ago and I have to wonder if that was the problem. What I have noticed on the "tried and true" Muzzy and others is that the blades are completely mangled, but never really thought much of it.
I have made the conscience decision to go to single bevel, cut on contact blades and perfect arrows for next year. Thanks Troy for all the hard work you put in!
This is gonna be awesome! I love Shane's channel 👍
Great Information. Would definitely like to see more of these interviews. Thanks for all information you provide backed with stubborn things called facts.
great interview. Shane's channel is fantastic.
Amazing video very true on people need to learn where the lungs are
Absolutely love this
Cant wait to long here in West Texas. The heat late in the season will spoil it.
This is great info
All helpful. Thanks
Wow, I also have a Boykin. Mine is used for bird hunting.
Thank u 2 for the education.. thank you
Off subject, but I have never figured out why when someone's child winds up missing, 200 people show up to search when all they need is - one dog. Back on topic, the last 3 bucks I shot, did not react at all before the arrow hit. The last 4 doe's I shot, all reacted violently before arrow strikes and resulted in high shoulder "no man's land" hits. The silver lining for Ashby arrow setups, I got "arrow refunds" with arrows that met 10 out of 12 arrow lethality factors. One of the reasons people mistakenly label double lung hits, is because many deer targets are totally incorrect on their lung/heart size AND location.
You never could figure out why huh?
@@chrischris4869 The school bus effect has destroyed the dog's ability to find the child is my point.
@@casanovafrankenstein8875 The school bus effect has destroyed the dog's ability to find the child is my point.
@@Kurtdog63 lmmfao!!!
Scared parents: please help, my child is missing!
KurtDog: make absolutely sure no one goes and looks for your child
Anyone: but it could mean life or death!!
KurtDog: it doesn't matter!! WE WAIT FOR THE DOG!! 🤡
I've been on such a search out here in the West, and there are almost always dogs involved. Along with helicopters, night vision, etc. They pull out all the stops.
I do think the dogs have a disadvantage in that case. Usually the trail is pretty compromised ans stomped over by other people bybthe time the dogs get called in.
I owned a Dalmatian that was 100% on recovery. He didn’t need a blood trail just get him down wind. I’ve had several Great Danes they won’t even make eye contact with a deer. 😂. I’d love to see the rifle data. Friend of mine owned a small sporting good store and kept run off and lost deer by caliber. I’d like to how close your results are to his.
Just shows what is bird hunters have known for years. The dog is our number 1 conservation tool.
@Troy, your desktop looks like mine, haha.
Love the data, man. Thank you for sharing with us, and for the in depth discussion.
I’ve got it under control!!
@@RanchFairy I tell my wife the same thing, my friend.
Good talk
!!Razor sharp blades and pass through!! I’ve had multiple short recoveries on bad shots because sharp blades slice and when you’ve got entry and exit holes the blood can leave the cavity twice as fast and you’ll have something to follow.
The last two bucks I shot took two bounds got dizzy and tipped over took a total of ten seconds. One was last night! when you send a razor sharp broadhead through them The hemorrhaging is massive and instant it cuts instead of plows. they’re dead before they even know anything is wrong.
Great video and interesting data. Regarding high shoulder, in the heat of the moment are people just aiming where they would with a rifle?
Elevated Shots - Treestands
Deer drop
Great video. I've seen a video where the guy was talking about deer dropping (jumping the string) he stated that it takes a little more time for a deer to drop when the deer's head is up vs when it's head is down. Just wandering if you've have any information on this.
Ranch fairy has a video on this exact things. It’s called something like deer reacts or deer jumps string ranch fairy
I believe the video your speaking about was done by Grant Woods.
Believe this is the video
th-cam.com/video/foRCrnlj0Ys/w-d-xo.html
I've now shot two deer with a crossbow with lighted knocks and they didn't help at all when it came to telling shot placement it just moves too fast though they do make finding the arrow afterward easier
Hey ranch fairy a good question but idk if you have been asked this but would you make a video of a high FOC arrow like a grizzly stick with a heavy outsert and try it with a expendable broadhead like a swhacker 125 ? There’s really no videos with a high FOC with a flapper on the end would there be a difference? I’m using a high FOC with a expendable than a light normal speed arrow with a expendable ? Would be a cool video
***in
I went to a heavier set up this year and am very pleased. But I'm a mechanical BH guy because I want to know that when I release my arrow it's gonna hit exactly where I aim!!!
And then the deer moves
Or you misjudge yardage
Or……..plan B happens
That’s fine.
Until what you’re doing fails, keep doing it
The trend is expandable but the first deer I shot with one hit a bone deflected and after looking all day found a rage with a bent tip and no deer. It was the most high percentage shot you could take 15 yards quartering away. I didn’t do my job and the broadhead didn’t do it’s job long sucky day . My muzzys have been sharpened the hit right where I aim at thirty yards and I am working on getting single bevels. So the blades don’t bend when they encounter bone. Just my experience this year be blessed.
@@pastorbillyedgar4986
Don't tell the pro guys that expandable every do anything but work 100%!!!
or just sight in for your broadheads and shoot them XD
do you keep stats for non-recovered but later recovered or found?
I guess I have been lucky enough, to where I haven't needed a tracking dog. I try to take my time and take good shots, that have dropped all my deer within 100 yds (at the farthest).
@ranchfairy I am shooting a 627 grain Apollo arrow with 300 of those grains up front.. I shoot a 150 grain cutthroat.. I shot a buck with it back in late September. I went through both shoulders and the deer expired 80 yards from where I shot him. I have the video on TH-cam not trying to plug my channel or anything but the blood trail I got from that shot was insane.. I’m not shooting for blood but heavy with a single bevel and the deer still bleeds like he got shot with an expandable.. what more could you want.?
Yep!
I prefer 80 yards and down
Then we look for blood
here to learn a thing or two
I had one die from a center punched liver shot, she made it 55 yards. Totally unpredictable I’d say
Also, Troy, they have these things called "airplanes" nowadays. So, you may not need to drive 24 hours.
The dakotas are interesting
And equipment was high volume!!
A big problem with that whole that whole thing I hit him good is a lot of people just black out they don't know where the h*** they hit the hidden a spike shoot at AA target if you drop your bow arm to peak around and look at that arrow you're gonna miss where it's if you continue to aim you're the aim I feel like you're gonna watch where the arrow hits arrowheads cause you're gonna see it go through your site straight to the target
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